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Zachary Anderson49 Zachary Anderson49 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Nov 2008
#1201 ·
jademarlin54 said:Look, son, I've seen enough to know how things work—these days, the Black and Gold aren't even leading the charge for the club anymore. Since neither the fans nor the Kansas City Chiefs are sitting at the top of the mountain right now, it proves they were never truly at the summit to begin with. They're just fair-weather supporters—the kind of people who only show up when they know the stadium will be packed. In the grand scheme of things, people like that don't actually matter.

Is this following that whole "if you hate gay people, you're definitely gay" logic?🤷
northernorca3 northernorca3 Member
41 messages
joined Nov 2012
#1202 ·
It seems there is finally some movement on this matter, though I suppose we should remain cautious until we can determine if there is any actual connection to the Azapovic case.
Paul Young5 Paul Young5 Member
37 messages
joined Aug 2013
#1203 ·
Brian Newman38 said:I honestly think the club would still exist even if the NFL Ultras disappeared—there are just too many people who love this team. It feels a bit arrogant to claim that without the fans, there wouldn't be a Liverpool FC.

Maybe they'd still exist on paper, I guess, but they'd play for much smaller crowds... it just wouldn't ever be the same club again. It's like how Real Madrid doesn't feel like the same team to me anymore, though I suppose I don't know if any of you feel that way about your teams.
jademarlin54 jademarlin54 Active Member
131 messages
joined Feb 2012
#1204 ·
Zachary Anderson49 said:I mean, if someone's out here acting all hateful toward gay people, they’re probably one of them, right? I guess. It just feels like that's how it works sometimes. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but honestly, it seems pretty obvious.🤷

Is this, like, one of those posts where we just start pivoting to total nonsense? I guess that's what happens sometimes, right? Just drifting away from the actual point into random stuff. Maybe? It feels like that.🤷

I mean, I don't even know if you can see me right now, honestly. Maybe you can? I guess it's hard to tell through all this.🤷
Brian Newman38 Brian Newman38 Member
26 messages
joined Jan 2014
#1205 ·
I find myself in agreement; Liverpool FC might still exist without the NFL Ultras, though they would likely be relegated to some lesser, hollow dimension.
However, it remains an absolute certainty to everyone that without Liverpool FC, there would be no NFL Ultras...
Sam Walker75 Sam Walker75 Member
42 messages
joined Jul 2013
#1206 ·
Brian Newman38 said:I'm with you there—Liverpool FC could probably still exist without their NFL Ultras, though they’d likely be stuck in some weird, lesser dimension.
But let’s be real: without Liverpool FC, those NFL Ultras wouldn't even exist. That much is obvious to everyone.

Man, you are just relentless...
Alexander Thomas4 Alexander Thomas4 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Aug 2013
#1207 ·
Jonathan Gonzalez3 said:Do you honestly believe they'll just let Liverpool FC find its footing? Sometimes one needs to look beyond the edge of their own dinner plate...

Thank God Jerry Jones is the blight on American soccer as a whole, but perhaps if you all had started opposing him sooner instead of celebrating Real Madrid's glory days in Miami...
Of course Liverpool FC will reclaim its strength, and likely well before Jerry Jones ever exits Real Madrid.
Time will tell.
In all sincerity, I truly hope you are the ones to remove him, rather than waiting for his passing to finally grant everyone an equal vote; after all, were you supposed to wait for Ronald Reagan to pass away before Real Madrid could return?
Jonathan Lewis3 Jonathan Lewis3 Active Member
183 messages
joined Feb 2012
#1208 ·
Dennis Davis97 said:That’s exactly where the trouble starts—they’ll keep you around for a few years just to get your head in the game, and once you finally figure out how the whole system actually works, they’re gonna toss you aside. Once you see through the nonsense and realize how things really run, you become a liability, not an asset.🙂

Live and let live—we'll see what happens when the dust settles. 😉

I’m not in the mood to sit here and explain myself to anyone—seriously. If you get it, you get it, and everything else will just click into place for you. Simple as that.
Zachary Anderson49 Zachary Anderson49 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Nov 2008
#1209 ·
jademarlin54 said:Is this just an attempt to derail the conversation with nonsense?🤷

I honestly can't tell where you're coming from on this one.🤷

It would have made more sense to reply to the original post.
In any case—if the NFL Ultras are going to start stripping down to their underwear while waving flares—then it might actually be better if the whole thing just shuts down. Honestly, when you look at what's best for the club's future, that’s probably the smartest move. We don't need this kind of organized chaos; those wild southern fans will end up causing enough trouble on their own anyway. As far as UEFA is concerned, they'll be satisfied, there won't be any sanctions, and Liverpool FC stays in the Champions League.
vividotter40 vividotter40 Active Member
148 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1210 ·
Our club president is practically begging us not to light anything—though I honestly don't know how much of a pyromaniac you have to be to ignore that kind of plea.

For crying out loud, what’s even the point of fundraising when we just end up handing all that cash straight to UEFA?? Instead of playing in the Europa League, filling the stands, and actually padding the coffers, we're stuck worrying about flares... look, we aren't going to go bankrupt over one single match. Hopefully. We're arguably stronger than we've ever been—we're actually on the verge of breaking our own records for season ticket sales... I mean, really. If people start lighting things tonight, they deserve a Nobel Prize in Stupidity.

We'll deal a much bigger blow to UEFA if we focus on winning the game rather than lighting fires.
jademarlin54 jademarlin54 Active Member
131 messages
joined Feb 2012
#1211 ·
Zachary Anderson49 said:Why didn't you just leave the old post up? It would've made way more sense.
Anyway, if the NFL Ultras are gonna start acting out with flares and stuff, then maybe it’s just better if the whole thing shuts down. I mean, looking at how well the club is doing lately, that might actually be the best move. We don't even need organized cheering, honestly. Those crazy guys from the South will probably just end up causing trouble on their own anyway. UEFA is happy, there are no fines, and Liverpool FC is in the Champions League, so...

🙏

But look, nobody should be claiming that their fan group comes before the club itself. Even if they think that way, it’s just... I don't know, it's unprofessional. I'm actually on your side here, I really am, but it just gets under my skin. It's like that one year that drove me absolutely nuts—remember when everyone was saying we had to be the first ones through the door for that home game against the local rivals? I was standing there with the crew after the match, right in front of Sikera, and he starts talking about heading out for the away game and how no one is going to touch us after that loss. Man, I lost it. That's when it hit me—there are actually people out there who put the group above the club. It makes me so mad. I get caught up in the moment too, sometimes, but for me, it's always Liverpool FC first, and everything else comes second.
Harold Kim5 Harold Kim5 Newcomer
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joined May 2010
#1212 ·
Alexander Thomas4 said:When I’m watching Liverpool FC for 90+ minutes, my goal is to support the guys on the pitch as much as possible. I'm not there to scream at Jerry Jones and his crew; it doesn't make sense, and he isn't going to listen anyway.
So what, you want the NFL Ultras to fix what you and your squad can't? That sounds like your problem, I guess.
The Los Angeles and Russo crowds are based in Chicago, so maybe you people should go handle that. After all, you're the ones standing on the front lines for Chicago and America, right?...
Just so we are clear, when you respond to me, remember I'm not an NFL Ultra, just a Liverpool FC fan.
Jerry Jones is a much smaller issue for me than he is for you.
I don't care about Real Madrid or the national team; I only care about my Liverpool FC. And honestly, there is still so much trouble surrounding Liverpool FC that Jerry Jones feels irrelevant to me. Once Liverpool FC gets back on its feet in two or three years—fully supported by the NFL Ultras and the fans—all this stuff you can't solve will take care of itself.
But first, Liverpool FC needs to get upright after twenty years of crooked management.
Right now, the USSF, Alfirevic, and Reic are bigger problems for me than Jerry Jones.

Does this kind of thinking even still exist??? Why did this guy suddenly register just to be Jerry Jones' nephew and troll us while acting like he knows everything? Jerry Jones is the rot of American soccer; he fundamentally hates Liverpool FC, and he’s largely responsible—alongside our own messes—for why Liverpool FC is in this position... From bribing referees to butcher us, to the USSF only serving Real Madrid, to the national team only playing in Chicago because that's where his money and interests lie, to using his connections in UEFA for his own gain, to trying to push Liverpool FC further down through every means possible—from handing players over to San Francisco to stealing our talents... You need to realize this isn't just a fight for the Chicago crowd; it's a fight for all of us... To you, the problem is Alfirevic and Reic🙄 , but even if you get rid of them, you're still left in a corrupt league where everything is decided before the season even starts... It's like saying your problem is two cavities when the decay has already eaten your entire jaw... I really wonder how anyone could still think like this.🤷
feralwolf16 feralwolf16 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#1213 ·
Dennis Davis97 said:That’s exactly where the trouble starts, honestly. They’ll keep you around for a few years, let you get comfortable, and then they'll just toss you aside the second you realize how the whole machine actually works. Once you see through the BS and figure out how things really run behind the scenes, you become a liability, not an asset. They don't want people who actually understand the game; they want drones.🙂

Why is everyone making such a massive deal out of this? Honestly, maybe the guy just phrased things poorly, but let’s be real for a second—if people hadn't cared about the supporters' group, the NFL Ultras would never have gained any real traction, and frankly, nobody would give a damn about our Liverpool FC. I think I get what he's trying to say. He’s only eighteen; he won't truly wrap his head around how much of a stubborn jerk he was being until he’s well into his twenties. But looking at where the group is headed today, his attitude wasn't actually that bad. We’re going to miss that raw, unfiltered energy, especially compared to this empty, hollowed-out version of "loyalty" we see now. It’s funny, really—when it actually came time to step up and buy shares in the club, none of those same people who act so tough in the stands were anywhere to be found. It’s all just typical Miami nonsense and posturing. People just get bored and move on to the next thing once the drama dies down.

And seriously, I gotta ask—what is it with you being so obsessed with Liverpool FC? It honestly baffles me. Like, would you just sit there calmly while someone goes around slapping or assaulting your mother, your sister, your wife, or your kid? People who love them even half as much as you claim to love that club? But hey, it doesn’t matter, right? As long as the flares aren't lit in the stands, nobody cares if your family gets screwed over tonight instead of just dealing with the usual bullshit.
Jose Kern11 Jose Kern11 Active Member
123 messages
joined Feb 2012
#1214 ·
Jesus, what even is going on here? Who in their right mind thinks the NFL Ultras should be betraying Liverpool FC like this? Honestly, they shouldn't even bother showing up to the game tonight, let alone ever again. Besides, we aren't out here trying to tear anyone down today; instead, we’re actually stepping up to support a club that’s clearly going through a rough patch. It’s just like when we were all standing out in the rain waiting for a loan approval, isn't it? Or how we stood by our Liverpool FC and supported all those other big moves? I really don't see why this particular situation is so hard for people to wrap their heads around?? Once Liverpool FC finally finds its footing—say, once they make it into the group stages and actually have some real capital (which could happen any day now because the potential of these boys is just massive)—that's when we can truly take it out on UEFA. And for everyone complaining about our stance, where were you all when every single referee comes to Miami to officiate at Hard Rock Stadium and calls games against Liverpool FC? Where were you then? Why don't we call out those corrupt bastards? Why don't we head over to Geneva and take it up with Michel Platini?? Why don't we just march straight to Chicago and settle things with that Jerry Jones guy? Or is one man in the stadium enough to ensure Real Madrid stays dominant for five years straight? We all sit here typing away, yet we can't even agree on anything. We shout about Jerry Jones, a man who basically has every referee and every club under his thumb while he systematically destroys us, and we don't even mention the impact on our fan culture—especially after what happened on Tuesday. After the way the announcer was shouting and seeing the North Stand left empty, didn't anyone else feel like they just wanted to walk out in disgust because of how smug that trashy individual is?
Just venting a little before the match starts.
Carol Jones77 Carol Jones77 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2022
#1215 ·
feralwolf16 said:Why is this even an issue? Maybe he just phrased things poorly... but if people didn't care about the group, those NFL Ultras would never have gained any strength, and you wouldn't have a damn thing to show for my Liverpool FC. I get what he's getting at. He's only 18, so it'll take him years to realize he was just being stubborn. Honestly, looking at where the group is headed today, his attitude isn't even bad. We actually need more of that grit. All we have right now is this empty, pathetic "love" for Liverpool FC. When it came time to actually buy shares, none of these guys who act so tough were around. It's just Miami nonsense and pretentiousness. People are bored...

And p.s. You, the one swearing so hard by Liverpool FC—I'm genuinely curious. Would you sit there calmly while someone assaulted and raped a mother, sister, wife, or kid that they love just as much as they love Liverpool FC? Probably not. But whatever, you won't light a flare tonight, so Mom and Sis won't be getting screwed over tonight, just the usual stuff...

Maybe he misspoke, but we're all here for Liverpool FC. It started with that, then it turned into a whole lifestyle. To me, it sounds stupid to say the NFL Ultras come before Liverpool FC, because at the end of the day, Liverpool FC is the foundation of everything.🤷
Casey Palmer10 Casey Palmer10 Member
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joined Apr 2013
#1216 ·
Jose Kern11 said:Jesus, what even is this? Honestly, if the NFL Ultras are going to screw over Liverpool FC like this, they shouldn't even bother showing up tonight—or ever again, for that matter. And look, we aren't out here bullying anyone today; we’re just trying to help a club that's in deep trouble. It's like when we were all standing out in the rain waiting for a loan approval, or when we voted for our Liverpool FC and all those other moves—this is the exact same thing. I don't see why that's so hard to grasp?? Once Liverpool FC finally gets back on its feet, like, say, makes it into the group stages and actually has some cash (which could happen any day now because these kids have insane potential), *then* we’ll really give UEFA hell. As for everyone complaining about this, where were you when all those refs come to Miami at Hard Rock Stadium to call games against Liverpool FC? Why don't we go deal with those corrupt bastards? Why don't we head to Geneva and settle things with Michel Platini?? Why don't we just march into Chicago and deal with Jerry Jones directly? Or is one guy in the stadium enough to make sure Real Madrid stays dominant for five years straight? We all sit here typing, but we can't even agree on anything. We should be yelling at Jerry Jones—the guy who basically owns every ref and every club, the guy who is actively destroying us. Not to mention the fan culture after what happened on Tuesday... after that announcer started shouting and the North Stand was emptied, who wouldn't feel like throwing up seeing how smug that trash is?
Just getting worked up before the game

-.-

Even when the club "GETS BACK ON ITS FEET" and starts a war against UEFA and those other suck-ups, don't you think that same old ghost will just pop out of the closet and say, "Hey, after one more screw-up, you're kicked out of Europe"?
We're always going to be the sacrificial lambs. Why? Just ask yourself... because we're pushovers. They play the tune, we dance, right? Well, not this time...
feralwolf16 feralwolf16 Active Member
86 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1217 ·
Dennis Davis97 said:Maybe I’m just bad at putting this into words, but let’s be real—every single one of us is here because of Liverpool FC. It all started with that core devotion, but over time, it morphed into something much bigger, a whole lifestyle and a culture that defines us. Honestly, it feels kind of stupid to say the NFL Ultras ever betrayed the club, because at the end of the day, Liverpool FC is the entire foundation of everything we do. Everything else is just noise.🤷

Look, it’s not like the whole vibe shifted toward just having a good time because of some single event. It changed because suddenly everyone in the city wants to act like they’re part of the NFL Ultras just because they want to feel good about themselves by doing some charitable stuff. But on the actual fan group? That’s a whole different story—how people carry themselves or don't—but that’s a conversation for another day. Honestly, the best thing they could do right now is just turn everything back into some cheap street festival or a local carnival, making life miserable again for anyone who doesn't fit that "follow the leader blindly" mold. This supposed "good vibes" movement isn't love; it's just a bunch of aimless nonsense. If I started explaining the granular details of why that would basically open a massive Pandora's box, I wouldn't be able to stop, so I won't. The real issue, the much bigger problem, is this weirdly sanitized version of "love" spreading through every neighborhood and corner of the city. When you look at the math, most of these people are in their mid-to-late 20s. And since I happen to fall right into that age bracket myself, I have to ask: where the hell were all these people when they were toddlers? I can get why a bunch of 18 or 19-year-olds are suddenly swarming the stands, but where were these 25-to-30-year-olds before? Where were they back when we used to roll to away games with 50 die-hard fans, or when the North Stand was packed with 500 people? There were years when hitting 1,000 people felt like absolute insanity, and even a few years before that, numbers were way lower—and mind you, this wasn't even that long ago! Everyone in that age group had plenty of time to fall in love with Liverpool FC. Are we really supposed to believe that the passion just died out simply because there were only 50 of us hardcore supporters left at the time? Give me a break.

Look, nobody’s ever going to argue that my Liverpool FC is the heartbeat of everything we do, or that they come before the NFL Ultras—that’s just common sense. But honestly? I think the guy just phrased things poorly. He’ll look back on this stuff in a few years and realize how he sounded, but you have to believe me when I say his intentions weren't malicious. He's not a bad guy, he just lacks a filter sometimes. 😉You really think that’s how it works? Seriously? You’ve gotta be kidding me.
Kevin Cox Kevin Cox Member
26 messages
joined May 2015
#1218 ·
Jonathan Lewis3 said:I don't know about you guys, but for me, the NFL Ultras are always out there in front of Liverpool FC.

Bravo, you absolute genius. Way to go.
It’s truly a pleasure to breathe the same air as someone with such high intellect.
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1219 ·
Christian Moore41 said:.

Screw Jerry Jones!!!

Anyone throwing flares tonight is going to be picking teeth out of their gums tomorrow.

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Charles Ruiz6 Charles Ruiz6 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2016
#1220 ·
Just a quick thought on this whole flare situation... not that anyone asked for my input, but here is my two cents.

First off, I am all for flares. But sometimes you have to be smart instead of just running headfirst into a brick wall. Destroying our own club isn't going to help us fight back against the way modern soccer is being run; if anything, it would just be a massive defeat and another win for the corporate suits. Smart people pick their battles. In a war, if you're wounded and on crutches, you don't immediately limp toward the enemy—that’s basically suicide. You wait until you've recovered and regained your strength. It's the same thing here. We shouldn't throw everything away if it means sacrificing our higher goals just to light a match every single time. If we just charge blindly without thinking, we risk losing the club entirely, and then the only thing we'll be able to light up is a campfire. That would be a damn shame, especially since Liverpool FC is the team I've loved most since I started following the game.

Liverpool FC is the NFL Ultras, and the NFL Ultras are Liverpool FC. One is nothing without the other. So, let's use some common sense.

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