Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Jacob Palmer77 said:Absolute rock bottom.
Nobody said we should have sidelined our support for Liverpool FC last night just to deal with this, but the one damn time the whole stadium erupts to chant "Jerry Jones the Gypsy," you'd think people would show some basic fan solidarity.
It's pathetic.

I’d bet my life savings that the crowd was going to roar like that a few more times yesterday.

They haven't even been cheering for Liverpool FC for the last half hour... so I guess it's a bit much to expect anyone to be out there screaming at Jerry Jones the Gypsy, right? 😁

Were they just looking for what Brubaker would have said about it?

I’ve been noticing this for a while now, and honestly, it really got on my nerves yesterday. Most of you guys are probably gonna hate me for saying this, but someone has to:
The connection between the Black Knights fans and what’s actually happening on the field? Zero. Absolutely nothing. The whole game, I felt like the Black Knights were just throwing their own private party, and I was sitting there like, "Do these people even know who's playing?" They’re just blasting songs for twenty minutes straight—total madness, a huge festival—while the Chiefs are out there looking lost. Instead of the cheering actually fueling the guys and giving them some momentum, it’s just this monotonous, hypnotic noise that kills the vibe even more than it helps. It deadens the match instead of giving it a spark.
The leaders of the Black Knights seriously need to ask themselves what the point of cheering even is. They need to think about the actual impact of their noise and get smart about it. Right now, it’s useless for the team. Completely useless...

Christian Jones said:The main issue is that most of you idiots were just chest-thumping about how much you're going to insult him. 🤣 Nobody asked you to harass him for the entire game—a few well-placed comments would have been plenty enough!
While things are like this, don't act surprised when things go south!

A week before the big matchup against Mexico, you're attacking people from Chicago and throwing shade at them? Seriously??? I guess you actually have the nerve to lecture us about fan solidarity when your own leadership is collapsing. People aren't going to forget this—that's why we hit back the way we did. Stop attacking your fellow citizens; we're fighting our own battle against the top brass at the USSF. Instead of coming after us, maybe deal with your own people who won't even bother showing up to camp outside the stadium...

Melissa Reyes45 said:Just a week before the big game against Mexico, you’re attacking people from our hometown and waving a rival flag? Seriously??? And you actually have the nerve to lecture us about supporter solidarity when your own leadership has completely collapsed? Some people aren't going to forget this anytime soon, which is exactly why we hit back this way. Stop coming at us—we’re fighting our own battles against the USSF brass. Instead of targeting us, go after your own neighbors who refuse to back you up or show up to camp outside the stadium. ...

Hahaha, honestly, what’s the actual issue here? It was just an opponent's flag. A rival's banner. Why wouldn't we grab it? Were we being unfair or disrespectful to anyone? If you're so concerned, maybe you could provide us with an official list of approved flags we're allowed to carry, or perhaps a calendar with specific dates marked out so we don't accidentally "offend" anyone again?

edit: I am in total agreement with the other bolded point...

You can dig up a thousand different reasons why people shouldn't support one another, but history shows us there are incredibly few moments where we actually have the chance to act in unison. Some folks will never grasp that reality, and that's just how it is.

I’ve been scrolling through these comments for a bit—just one guy copy-pasting the same nonsense over and over
"Screw the Black Knights.

Last night, all the actual, decent Kansas City Chiefs fans showed up to support their team, which was basically just a giant middle finger to the Black Knights. It let them know that those animals have no business being in our stadium."

Honestly, who cares? I'm not getting worked up over this. As we get older, you just learn to take it easy. It was nice to feel that vibe again back in '95, when the whole stadium actually felt like one unit. The Black Knights think they're the center of the universe, but honestly, only the old guard remembers how good things used to be under Drago Vržina. Besides, I'm sure some reporter from the New York Times will write a glowing summary of it all anyway.

Matthew Foster8 said:Looking through these comments, I see one guy just copy-pasting the same thing over and over.
"Screw the ultra Black and Gold Army.

Last night, all the decent Hajduk fans showed up for their club, essentially telling the ultra Black and Gold Army to shove it and making it clear there's no room for those animals in the stadium."

Whatever, man. No point getting worked up. As we get older, we'll just enjoy the memories—it was great being back in '95, seeing the whole stadium finally united. The Black and Gold Army is the best, and honestly, only the old guard knows where the true spirit lies. Besides, the local paper will probably write a glowing report anyway.

I mean, you can clearly see that all three comments were left by the exact same idiot. Are you really trying to claim this represents what most people think?
What worries me more is how lukewarm the cheering felt and how everyone avoided mentioning the thugs. Quite frankly, it just looked pathetic yesterday.

Look, we could spend all day digging up old grievances—pointing fingers at one side or the other to justify why they weren't "correct"—but if you can't see that everything is slowly spiraling downhill, you’re seriously delusional. We need to act together. I’m not saying we have to kiss their feet or pretend to love them, but the absolute bare minimum—and what should have happened yesterday, in my opinion—is showing some solidarity with The Boys given the nonsense they're dealing with. This kind of stuff can easily turn its sights on us next. Thinking that the kind of crackdowns happening in Washington, D.C. couldn't possibly happen in Miami is just pure self-deception. By the time we realize our mistake, I fear it might already be too late. Anyway, I won't rant too much; credit to the few who are actually trying. It’s just a sad reality that most people’s awareness regarding supporter culture isn't just at zero—it's deep in the negatives.

Too bad we missed our window yesterday, mostly because:
-it was prime time, a weekday evening, everyone was glued to the game...
-European competition
-The Black and Gold Army has massive support from all over, from Florida to fans across the entire US, including our folks in NYC who look down on the Bad Boys and actually wish they had that kind of passion—because the Black and Gold Army is the gold standard for supporting a club
-People have been talking about that incident at Yankee Stadium for days and most people are fed up, but we all know how the media treats the Bad Boys
-It would've blown up way harder in the news than just some support from The Armada (props to them) on a random website
-It would've shut up those losers who love nothing more than jumping in the comments to start fights on news sites
-A ton of Black and Gold Army fans were saying they’d do the exact same thing if they were in this spot, so yeah... 🤷

plus Mukt was saying it would be a hell of a statement if every group in Europe stood up and told Jerry Jones to get lost 😁

Dammit, such a wasted opportunity. Life goes on, I guess...

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Brandon Hill5 said:I’ve been noticing this for a while now, but yesterday it really rubbed me the wrong way. It’ll probably piss off most people on here, but I gotta get it off my chest:
The connection between the Black and Gold Army and what’s actually happening on the pitch is basically zero. There’s nothing there. For the whole match, I felt like the Black and Gold Army was just having their own private party, and it’s like someone next to me at a dive bar saying, "these guys don't even know who's playing." They’re blasting songs for twenty minutes straight—total madness, a huge bash—while the Hajduk players on the field look completely lost. Instead of the cheering syncing up with the action to give the boys some actual fuel and momentum, it’s just this monotonous, hypnotic chanting that honestly just kills the energy more than it helps. It deadens the game instead of giving it an impulse.
I think the leaders in the Black and Gold Army need to seriously ask themselves what cheering is actually for. What kind of effect is it supposed to have? They need to rethink and redesign this stuff, because right now, it’s useless for the squad. Totally, utterly useless...

Look, they aren't the only ones to blame. Moving forward, there could be plenty of different ways to handle what you're talking about...

Some people talk about the atmosphere and whatnot... but how can the stands be going crazy the entire match if there's only one goalpost setup? They should’ve put up at least one or two more (besides the one in the middle)... I mean, how else are you gonna lift a heavy load like that? No way! Nobody cares about the cheering; they’re just there because the ticket price was okay or to grab a couple of photos, etc., etc....
Maybe they should just gather all the "real" fans around the goal once and let them cheer, and everyone else can go screw themselves... because I don't see the point of the North section if most people couldn't care less about the support...

And what can you even say about the crowd below the goalpost? Did anyone actually tear up their tickets? Maybe three or four guys did, but what about the rest? Oh yeah, big shots, right? Bravo. Game after game, same old story.
If anyone thinks they’re going to achieve any improvement through "friendly connections," well, good luck with that... keep doing whatever you want, see where it gets you.

Robert Davis12 said:honestly, I think the sad truth is that most people's understanding of what being a fan actually means isn't just at zero—it’s deep in the negatives.

If that sense of community ever even existed, it pretty much died last night.
Fan solidarity? Yeah, it just doesn't exist anymore.

Brandon Hill5 said:Look, I’ve been noticing this for a while now, and honestly, it really rubbed me the wrong way yesterday. It’ll probably piss most people off here, but I gotta say it:
The connection between the Black and Gold Army and what’s actually happening on the pitch? It’s basically zero. Nonexistent. For the whole match, I felt like the Black and Gold Army was just having their own private party. It was like being at a park next to a loud concert where you’re thinking, "Man, these guys don't even know who's playing." They're beltin' out songs for twenty minutes straight—total madness, a huge bash—while the boys on the field are just standing there looking confused. Instead of the cheering syncing up with the game to give the guys some actual fuel and momentum, it’s just this repetitive, hypnotic chanting that somehow manages to kill the vibe even more instead of giving the team an impulse.
I mean, the leaders of the Black and Gold Army seriously need to ask themselves what cheering is even for. They need to think about the actual effect it has and maybe plan things out better, because right now, it’s totally useless for the squad. Just completely pointless...

That’s exactly the mindset we see from "eurostar"—claiming the Black and Gold Army is against the team and they have no clue what’s even going on down there?!
Well, what do you expect? You want the cheering to be perfectly synced with the flow of the game?

Brandon Hill5 said:I’ve been noticing this for quite a while now, and it really rubbed me the wrong way yesterday. It might annoy most people here, but I feel like I have to say it:
The connection between the Black and Gold Army fans and what's actually happening on the pitch is basically zero. There just isn't any. For the whole match, I felt like the Black and Gold Army was having their own separate party. It was almost like someone sitting next to me at a riverbank saying, "These guys don't even know who's playing." They spend twenty minutes straight singing songs—it's wild, a total celebration—but meanwhile, Hajduk is out there looking confused. Instead of the cheering adapting to give those boys some strength and momentum, it's just this monotonous, hypnotic chanting that seems to kill the game's energy rather than giving it an impulse.
I think the leaders within the Black and Gold Army really need to ask themselves what cheering is actually for and what kind of effect it has. They should probably give it some more thought and plan things better, because right now, this is just useless for the team—totally useless...

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There is definitely a lack of psychological connection between the stands and the players' momentum, but I guess that comes down to the leader. Does he pick up on the moments, or does he not? Does he have any passion in him, or has he just not even tried to evolve in that direction yet?🤷

Melissa Reyes45 said:A week before we face Mexico, you’re out here attacking folks from the Midwest and throwing insults? Seriously? You’ve got some nerve talking about supporter solidarity when you’re busy tearing each other apart... people aren't going to forget this collapse anytime soon, which is exactly why things turned out the way they did. Don't come at us. We're fighting our own battles against the corrupt leadership at the USSF in our own way. Instead of targeting your own neighbors just because they won't camp out in front of the stadium with you...

If the whole Black and Gold Army thinks like you, then you guys are seriously screwed. Why on earth are you mixing internal drama with something where it’s all or nothing for everyone? If we start playing that game, everyone can just dig up old grudges whenever they feel like it... Look at The Armada for once. If you’ve even heard them roar against Jerry Jones, the USSF, or UEFA...

Robert Davis12 said:Look, we could sit here all day picking apart every little thing anyone else has said, pointing fingers at who was out of line just to justify our own nonsense. But if you don't realize that everything is slowly, inevitably going to hell and that we actually need to pull together, then you're seriously delusional. It’s not about being buddies or sucking up to anyone, but the bare minimum—what honestly should have happened yesterday—is showing some solidarity with The Boys because of the crap they're dealing with. That same crap could be knocking on our door any day now. Thinking that the kind of crackdown happening in Washington, D.C. couldn't possibly happen in Miami is just lying to ourselves... and once we finally open our eyes, I'm terrified it'll already be too late. Anyway, I'm not trying to start a war here. Props to the people actually trying, but it's a depressing reality that most people's awareness regarding fan culture isn't just at zero... it's deep in the negatives.

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And then you'll all sit there asking yourselves, "How did this even happen to us?"...

I’m just gonna say it again, like I did in that other thread: this whole crusade we're running against the USSF, the refs, Jerry Jones, and all those other absolute snakes... it’s what makes us the Great Hajduk. It’s who we are. This isn't some isolated thing, either; it’s just one more skirmish in a much longer war. And trust me, there are plenty more coming.

Look, we made our choice yesterday. That was the call based on how things looked, and honestly, I don't see the point in dragging the debate out any further. Discussion over.

So, I guess we're just supposed to sit here and cheer on The Boys and The Armada while they "clean up" their own mess? Yeah, right. Just wonderful.

eurostar said:Just show up to the stadium and give us some song ideas. Honestly, it doesn't even matter what we pick; nothing seems to stick anyway. It’s just like that game against the local rivals—we go up 1-1 and suddenly thirty people are just chanting "Let's go, Hajduk!" and then what? What else is there to talk about?

They want the players to leave their hearts on the field, while they leave their voices at the gates.

I never feel the need to post anything because there are so many people circling this place with a million different opinions that it’s impossible to have a constructive conversation. I’m going to look back at the last week of American supporter life, specifically focusing on our match last night. A good portion of our people—whether they’re active right now or just show up here and there from their glory days—feel the need to voice their opinions. I welcome that! But... what "moments" are you guys talking about? What actual events on the pitch? Sure, I agree, when there's a great play, the atmosphere lifts, but I think before that action happens, it's a total graveyard. To me, you should be loud *before* the action, and then just crank it up once things happen. There’s your "moment!" Your moment is when everyone stays silent, then we get half an action, and then you hit it hard... well, honey, even someone in heaven couldn't coordinate 6,000 or 7,000 people like that. Regardless of whose name is behind which handle, ask yourselves if you’re actually strong enough to obstruct the chanting. It doesn't matter who is standing at which railing or who leads the chant! If you don't like whoever is leading, then don't show up to the stands or find someone to replace them! These people are trying; I watched them last night, they’re putting in the work, trying to see which song the stands will accept, but the stands won't accept any of them! And what would you have? Put on a jukebox where everyone tosses in a coin and the song is whatever they want?! That’s not how it works! You people showed up to the North Stand! No matter who you are, whether you're there constantly or just occasionally, you follow the song without comment. If you’re going to provide commentary, then nicely leave the stands! I don't agree with everything either, but who am I to say so? I came here and my job is to give it my all! One question for everyone? What would you do if the songs changed every single minute? It’s bad if things brew too long, and it’s bad if they brew too short? What do you want? People, seriously, start with yourselves; think about your own mindset. Nobody invited you to the North Stand, but by showing up, certain things are expected of you. I’m not for violence, but it feels to me like some things will have to happen in the near future. Personally, I’d love it if the North capacity was cut in half—just three entrances, those two railings, walk up with your ticket and that's it, goodbye! Half a compact North Stand is louder than this full one. I'm not going to divide people into islanders, coastal folks, mountain people, or city dwellers, but please wake up and stop being such damn posers! Don't act like you're above the club or the group. The group exists for the club, but the group also has its own rules. For some, it's the club then the group, for others, it's the group then the club, but those are nuances and we can all function if we stick to some rules. Okay, so it doesn't sound like I'm just venting, the choreographies that have been raised properly lately deserve praise; it takes a lot of running around the stands to calm things down, but it's at a high level. But I still think their contribution is simply holding up those signs and singing the "holy trinity" of Coach, Gradovic, and Florida, and that's it for them!
Now regarding the scene, all this talk about Jerry Jones. The Bad Boys' honest support for the Black and Gold Army and The Armada is worth way more than singing "Jerry Jones is a thief" a few times, especially since 80% of the crowd sang it without even understanding why, and a good portion would just call it frustration and a complex toward Washington, D.C. In my opinion, what would be best is unity and maybe 4 or 5 heavy-hitting banners from every group in the North Stand at Yankee Stadium. That is real support! Though, I guess I'm being a bit romantic now. We insult each other online for no reason, knowing this is being read, making ourselves look ridiculous and divided (which we are), when all of this could easily change. For example, we were criticized for saying "screw Jerry Jones" directed at The Armada, but to me, that was actually encouraging, and now The Armada is showing—or at least trying to show—that they aren't on that side. So, the point is that we shouldn't just look at the bad sides of each other when working toward a higher goal, but instead act in a way that lifts each other up. After that, we can go back to provoking, fighting, and throwing things...