Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Jose Kern11 said:Man, they barely even managed to get this out. This article has basically been sitting on a shelf for two years. And here we are, getting lectured about unity and being "classy" fans... Honestly, if we don't see an official statement or some kind of response by the next game, I'm done...

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Jose Kern11 said:I am not suggesting an official boycott, per se, but rather a simple refusal to follow along. You know how it goes—people follow everything blindly, and then suddenly when it comes to certain regional rivalries, everyone starts paying attention, and that is where the real friction begins. Honestly, any organized protest would be nothing more than four flares lit in a parking lot with some pathetic little message scrawled on them during the match.

And if we actually tried something like that, I can see the headlines now: month after month of news cycles filled with vitriol about hooligans and degenerates, until eventually, the general public turns against the fans entirely. If the police decided to storm the stands and get a bit heavy-handed, nobody would even blink; people would just shrug and say, "Well, they deserved it, they're just thugs." Personally, I think there was more value in what happened yesterday—that odd alliance between the USSF bureaucrats and those eastern interests, watching from the east side together—than if ten thousand people had actually shown up to protest.🤷

The fans boycotting the national team is actually doing the federation a favor, because let’s be honest, the public will tune in to watch the national team regardless of whether the hardcore supporters show up or not.
However, boycotting the federation itself is a completely different beast, and one ought to be quite careful about shouting into the wind.

I suppose that is essentially the crux of the whole argument.

...what a malicious little pamphlet from Alač, does this crowd even have a sense of decency... Jose Kern11, why on earth did you include that link 🙄

decency... or maybe just pure anarchy 🙂

steeltrucker said:So, you’re actually trying to claim that 450 people from the NFL Ultras have just lost their minds?
And where exactly are you turning down tickets? I mean, did someone actually offer you one and you said no, or are we just making things up now? What kind of logic is that?

"Lost their minds" is probably too polite an expression. They basically stripped down and showed everyone exactly what they're made of, so call it whatever you want.😉

steeltrucker said:No, the real option is grabbing a beer at a local pub, living that independent spirit, you know?
The group holds a stance decided by the people who actually matter; everything else is just noise. That's how it works.

Yeah, sure. If you didn't show up to the game, you're a traitor or some radical separatist, just because the leadership decided that's how it was going to be. 🤣 So why the hell did those 450 people boycott the match in Switzerland, you absolute moron?

Gary Green32 said:I'd like the people advocating for this boycott to answer one thing for me:

What would a boycott actually achieve? How many fewer people would actually be at the national team games?

Personally, I think a boycott isn't the solution. But then again, the administration would probably collapse under its own weight if they actually tried to attend a game. If you catch my drift.😉

Robert Nelson43 said:Let’s be honest here—you didn't skip out because you weren't interested in the match; you skipped because you couldn't stomach hearing people cheering for the opposition. It’s a shame, really. You could have actually seen the Eagles play live, but I suppose you'd much rather stay home and play the critic from the sidelines.

It’s honestly a bit much to witness everyone celebrating Dan Marino these days. I find it difficult to stomach. Then again, I suppose it could have been even worse if we had been forced to sit through some celebration over in Bobot or Banja Luka yesterday. Not that I'd want to be anywhere near that.

Robert Nelson43 said:It’s honestly pretty grim watching everyone celebrate Dan Marino like he’s some kind of hero today. I suppose I shouldn't complain too much, though. At least we weren't stuck being forced to sit through those celebrations over in Bobot or Banja Luka yesterday.

It’s honestly exhausting watching those small-time opportunists hanging around the town square. If they could find a way to hike the sales tax to fifty percent tomorrow or sell out their own families for a quick buck, they wouldn't hesitate for a second. I swear, my stomach turns just looking at them. But whatever—Janica, Ivica, the national team... let's go. To hell with all those cowboys.

If they had actually sent a message... and lit up 10-15 kg of pyrotechnics, this would have been a total blast. It would’ve been scorching when the die-hard leaders stepped up, and honestly, there wouldn't be much left to say. To start with, the South Stand should have at least screwed up the paid choreography instead. :/

northernorca3 said:And then what would happen? We'd have newspapers running headlines for a whole month about some hooligans being total losers, and the general public would just turn on the fans. If the cops stormed the stands and started cracking heads, nobody would even care; people would probably just shrug and say, "Eh, let them, they're just thugs." Honestly, I think it would have been better if those USSF bureaucrats and their weird Eastern alliances had just cheered together from the East stands than having 10,000 people show up like that. 🤷

But look at how things actually play out—now we get a month's worth of coverage focused on some idiot lighting a flare, while they try to act like this regional league thing is perfectly normal. It's clearly not going well at all.
I honestly don't understand how people can miss the point; someone already asked if it would be easier to tolerate a single day of Chetnik celebrations in Banja Luka or Mexico. Well, newsflash: it would be 365 times easier to deal with one day of their festivities than it is to endure Jerry Jones' constant mockery and ego tripping every single day for seven years straight. If you can't see the difference there, you're just being dense.

Harold Kim5 said:Look, I’m not saying anyone is stupid or anything—everyone knows their own business. I just wrote that a dull brain finds it hard to make progress. If you felt personally attacked by that, don't pin it on me. 🤷

They offered me tickets and a ride, sure, but I wasn't crazy enough to go out there and support Dan Marino, Jerry Jones, and Davor Šuker, not to mention Vrbanović... This mindset is just the American reality. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says about it. We aren't going to see any real positive movement in this football swamp for a looooong, long time. Maybe with new generations, maybe ☕

So, are you saying absolutely no fans went out to support Jerry Jones, Dan Marino, or Vrbanović?🤷--- Are you seriously implying that the people dying in the war for our country were actually sacrificing their lives for Franjo Tuđman, Mesic, or Djodan?
Is it really shameful that two or three hardcore fans went to help the national team? Honestly, I think the real shame lies with everyone else who stayed home and surrendered in that fight against those scumbags. They would have easily crushed us if we had just 20 or 30 die-hard supporters.
There is a massive difference between two guys shouting "USSF losers—you ruined football!" at the stadium versus ten times that many people doing it. Is a victory even within reach if only one percent of the crowd shows up instead of fifty?

Harold Kim5 said:Look, I’m not saying anyone is stupid or whatever—everyone’s got their own deal. I just wrote a dull brain finds it hard to make progress, so if you took that personally, don't pin it on me. 🤷

They offered me tickets and a ride, sure, but I wasn't crazy enough to go out there and support Dan Marino, Jerry Jones, and Davor Šuker, not to mention Vrbanović... This mindset is just the American reality. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says about it. We aren't going to see any real positive movement in this soccer swamp for a long, long, loooooong time. Maybe with new generations, maybe ☕

So, nobody from the fans went to support Jerry Jones, Dan Marino, or Vrbanović? 🤷--- Are you seriously suggesting that the people who died in the war fighting for the country were actually sacrificing their lives for Franjo Tuđman, Mesic, or Djodan?
Is it really a disgrace that two or three hardcore fans went to help our national team? If you ask me, the real shame is everyone else who stayed home and surrendered in that fight against those scumbags. They would have crushed us easily if we had just 20 or 30 real ones showing up.
There's a massive difference between two guys at the stadium shouting "USSF losers—you ruined soccer!" and having ten times fewer people doing it. Are we even close to a win if only one percent of the crowd shows up instead of fifty?

Jose Kern11 said:I’m not talking about some official boycott here. I just mean stop following the nonsense. If you follow everything blindly, then suddenly when we play against Mexico, you decide to tune in—that’s where the hypocrisy lies. Any "boycott" would make way less noise than just four flares being set off with a message calling out those losers at the next match.

It’s not four, it’s a hundred and four pieces of gear, but in the stands, not on the pitch.
Setting off flares on the field isn't a fight against the scum over at the USSF, the cops, or the politicians. It’s actually the exact opposite: you’re handing them the ammunition they need to fight us and digging our own grave.

Steven Grant55 said:It’s honestly easier to watch those small-time crooks out in the town square—you could raise the sales tax to 50% tomorrow and sell out their own mothers, and they wouldn't care a bit. My stomach turns just watching them. But hey, let's go Janica, let's go Ivica, let's go Team USA... screw all those cowboys.

And then you have those NFL Ultras—they only seem to muster up enough energy to bail Hajduk Split out of a credit crisis, but where were they when the factories across Dalmatia were collapsing? They didn't even show face for the Pride parades.🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nobody gives a damn about class struggle or the old schemes—the International, the Comintern, "rise up, you earthly slaves"... everyone is too preoccupied with their jerseys and their cheering. The elites have conspired to block me from starting my business because they know I'm actually competent—they know I’d strike it rich while making something simple, unlike those low-life crooks.😁😁

boldotter473 said:And don't even get me started on those NFL Ultras—they only show up when they need to bail out Hajduk Split with some credit scheme, but where were they when all the local businesses across Dalmatia were going belly up? They couldn't even muster enough support for a Pride parade, let alone anything else. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nobody gives a damn about class struggle or all those old-school movements like the International or the Comintern anymore. "Rise up, you earthly slaves!" yeah, right. Everyone’s just obsessed with their own pockets and cheering for whatever team is winning. The big shots have basically conspired to block me from opening my own business because they know I’ve actually got a brain, and they know if I did, I'd make a killing while staying humble—unlike those mindless sheep running the show. 😁😁

Look, you're quoting some average Joe from the streets here, but honestly, it doesn't change the reality of the situation... the point is, if you want to actually fix something, you need solid foundations and real leverage. The last time the NFL Ultras were actually unified and had a clear stance, it was during that massive boycott of the big derby—and look, I'll say it again, maybe boycotting is the only way, or maybe it isn't, depending on how you look at it—but back then, people actually knew the means and the end. After that, everything just went to hell because everyone started settling for cheap compromises just to hit some tiny, insignificant goal. People cared more about showing off their fancy new gear than sticking to a code of conduct. And what did we get for all that? Some pathetic oversight board that can't even kick Freddie Fiorentina out of the club, and frankly, I suspect they aren't nearly as independent from shady influences as they claim to be. Without a powerhouse group behind them, there's no hope. If we're talking about handling stuff regarding the national team, without a heavy-hitting coalition, you've got nothing, and the NFL Ultras are nowhere near being that force yet. Right now, you're all just acting like a herd, praying for the specific tickets you want, letting the bosses decide which of your buddies get in and which ones stay home. You're just a bunch of sheep bleating in unison, while the guys in charge just sit there smirking and probably giving you a sarcastic little round of applause. That's the truth of it... God help us, seriously...

feralwolf16 said:First off, you’re just quoting some average Joe from the streets of a coastal city—which is fine—but it doesn't change the core issue. To actually solve anything, you need solid foundations and actual support. The last time the NFL Ultras were actually unified behind a clear stance, it was during that boycott of the big rivalry match (again, I’ll leave it to you to decide if a boycott is even the right way to handle things). Back then, there was a clear means and an end. Since then? Everything has gone completely south because people were willing to settle for any little compromise just to hit some minor goal. People cared more about showing off their expensive jerseys than standing by a code of conduct. And what did we get for all that? Some oversight committee that can't even kick someone like Freddy Fiorentini out of the club, and frankly—though I'm the only one who thinks so—they aren't nearly as independent as they claim to be. Without a powerhouse group driving the bus, trying to fix things regarding the National Team is a lost cause; there’s no real coalition here, and the NFL Ultras are nowhere near being that force yet. Right now, you’re all just a mob praying for the specific tickets you want, having already conceded to the higher-ups deciding which of your members get to attend and which don't. You're just a flock of sheep murmuring amongst yourselves, while the ones in charge just smirked and probably gave you a patronizing round of applause. That's the reality. God help me if I'm wrong, but...

Look, first of all, I stopped supporting the National Team a long time ago—somewhere around 2002 or 2003. I don't even remember the exact moment when the whole thing finally became too much to stomach, nor can I recall exactly which promises they broke to screw us over. Sure, I was rooting against Estonia because I’m an optimist, but after that disaster, I won't be stepping foot in an American stadium to watch the National Team anytime soon.
Secondly, this guy is claiming he doesn't care whether he's watching Chetniks celebrating a win or watching some "shepherds" who lack class consciousness—blah blah blah, "we are world masters," "agreed war," "we are all the same," "let them divide us"... It’s the standard ramblings of a fool who doesn't realize whose interests are actually being served, or who is secretly dreaming of reuniting Yugoslavia.

boldotter473 said:Yugoslavia.

I suppose everyone wants to blame Yugoslavia, the Chetniks, the Ustaše, Franjo Tuđman, Josip Broz Tito, Ante Pavelić, and all those other damn political narratives that people seem to obsess over—though, if I’m being honest, the masses rarely possess the intelligence to see through them...

The reality here, I think, is actually about Jerry Jones, Dan Marino, Davor Šuker, Vrbanović, and all the shady dealings within the USSF. On the flip side, you have what should be a perfectly normal football story....

Harold Kim5 said:To hell with Yugoslavia, the Chetniks, the Ustaše, Franjo Tuđman, Josip Broz Tito, Ante Pavelić, and all those other damn historical spin cycles that the masses constantly blow out of proportion—not that the masses have ever been particularly intelligent when it comes to prosperity...

The real issue here involves Jerry Jones, Dan Marino, Davor Šuker, Vrbanović, and the entire corrupt mess within the USSF; meanwhile, on the flip side, we're looking at what a legitimate football story should actually be...

Just let us Americans discuss the national team; you're clearly stuck in that "Hajduk only" mindset.😍

boldotter473 said:Just let us Americans talk about the national team; you're stuck in that "Hajduk only" mindset.😍

Maybe try lecturing us on how a single game affects geopolitical shifts in this part of the world under the guise of "national team" talk—or better yet, just call it what it is: politics—and then step away from the NFL Ultras discussion altogether...😍

Harold Kim5 said:Then you try to lecture me about how a single game impacts the geopolitical landscape of this part of the world—all under the guise of "national representation" or, more accurately, "politics"—and just completely derail the entire discussion about the NFL Ultras...😍

The NFL Ultras cheer for America 😉

analogheron19, man, who are you even trying to convince? You think people care about your little theories...

We had some seriously incredible crowds both on and off the field, and that’s what actually matters. All these keyboard warriors can do is sit there and talk trash online... I’m proud of how we stood our ground together, through thick and thin, before the whistle blew and long after the game ended. 👍

Jose Kern11 said:Look, I’m not talking about some official, organized boycott. It's more about just tuning out. If you're someone who follows every single move they make, then sure, go ahead—but if we all just stopped paying attention entirely, that would be the real issue when we face off against a rival like the Mexican national team. A silent treatment would actually carry way more weight than any formal boycott. Honestly, instead of all this noise, imagine if we just showed up with four flares and a message calling that pathetic excuse for a leader what he really is during the match.

I mean, what are we even talking about here? It’s getting ridiculous. People are out there actually brawling over who's going to win, and honestly, it's just senseless.☕

Kevin Rogers3 said:don't go using the Lord's name in vain

...it's just like that brand with the little sheep and wolves.😁