#161 ·
slylynx3 said:☕
...so, does that coffee imply you're against the message, or are you actually leaning toward the radicals?🙂
Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters
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...so, does that coffee imply you're against the message, or are you actually leaning toward the radicals?🙂
#162 ·
neonmoose542 said:analogheron19, man, who are you even trying to convince? People know what they want...
We had some incredible crowds both in the stands and out in the streets, and that’s what actually matters. The losers complaining online can just keep typing from their couches. I’m proud of how we stood our ground together, through the pre-game hype and everything after the whistle blew. 👍
I really hope things stay that way.🙂
#163 ·
briskmarlin said:...what a malicious little pamphlet from Al Capone. I mean, where do these people draw the line? Jose Kern11, why on earth did you include that link 🙄
the line... heaven & I.R.A. 🙂
...the line is being boycotted. I don't have anything against anyone who "follows" the national team and what they've started or will start if this truce is actually respected. I just have issues with the fact that if you show up, you bring a flare, light it, hold up a sign, and insult everyone who isn't part of the national squad—that’s basically it. But it turns out that number of "ready" people is pretty minor when you look at the actual IDEALS. If I had gone in, well, you know what I would've personally done☕...it wouldn't have been the first time, nor the last. I'm totally over this topic anyway; I guess those who "need" to understand, will
#164 ·
rustyangler122 said:...there's a total boycott happening at the gates. I honestly don't have anything against the folks who follow the national team and everything they've done or might do if this truce actually holds. My only issue is when someone shows up just to sneak in a flare, light it, make a statement, and insult everyone who isn't part of the squad—that's where it ends. But it turns out that the number of people truly "ready" to act is pretty small when you look at the actual IDEALS involved. If I had stepped inside, well, you know exactly what I would have personally done☕...it wouldn't have been my first time, and it certainly wouldn't be my last. I'm completely over discussing this topic, because honestly, the ones who "need" to understand will get it eventually
👍 👍
#165 ·
analogheron19 said:It wasn't 4, it was more like 104 flares, but they were in the stands, not on the pitch.
Flares on the field aren't some grand protest against the pests at the USSF, the cops, or the politicians; if anything, it's the exact opposite. It just gives them more ammunition to use against us and basically digs our own grave.
...Look, I already said I was done with this topic, so what are you even rambling about?????
...The smartest move would be to slap numbers on the flares (😢) and let the FBI track them. I mean, seriously, the USSF has plenty of money from all those fines anyway, who cares! ...Though, maybe it's too risky, or else my buddies in the police force might pick me up... heh, what a joke. Do you honestly think there’s much difference between throwing them or lighting them? And why do people throw them onto the field (mostly)? You should probably know that based on your own experience within your group, right? At our old home stadium, you could pretty much hold them in your hand, but at a massive place like MetLife, that's a bit harder... No way!
#166 ·
Gary Green32 said:Listen up, people... this match was actually a massive step forward for the NFL Ultras. For the first time in forever, they all converged in the capital at the stadium without tearing each other apart. OUR UNITY IS THEIR DOWNFALL. If we can keep this energy going for the next few games, we might actually be able to put together some real, concrete plans and coordinated strikes against the USSF.
I get why people are pissed off and just want to tune out the national team entirely, but honestly? I think boycotting would be a total waste of time. It wouldn't change a thing... if anything, it just gives them more breathing room.
That’s what I’m talking about.👍
#167 ·
analogheron19 said:Look, there’s a massive difference between a couple of guys shouting "USSF is trash—you ruined the game!" at the stadium versus ten times that many people doing it. Is a victory even close if it's just one percent of the crowd making noise, or is it fifty percent?
They need to see we're actually here...👍
#168 ·
boldotter473 said:To be honest, I’ve been boycotting the national team for ages—somewhere around 2002 or 2003. I can't even remember exactly which mess was the final straw, or which specific promises they made just to screw us over later. Sure, I felt some hope during that match against Estonia because, maybe, I was actually optimistic for once. But after that disaster? I don't see myself ever stepping foot in an American stadium to watch them play again anytime soon.
As for the other guy, he claims he doesn't care whether he's watching certain factions celebrate a win or watching "hillbillies" who lack any sense of class consciousness... blah blah blah, global masters, orchestrated wars, everyone is the same, let's divide ourselves... it's just the usual rambling from someone who clearly doesn't understand who's really pulling the strings or who's still dreaming about reuniting Yugoslavia.
Are you playing dumb, boldotter473, or are you just genuinely dim?
#169 ·
analogheron19 says:
did any actual fans even bother showing up to support players like Mamica, Stimac, or Vrbanovic?🤷--- are you seriously suggesting that the people who died fighting for this country during the war were actually sacrificing their lives for Tudjman, Mesic, or Djodan?
is it really shameful that two or three die-hard fans went to help out the national team? I’d say the real shame lies with everyone else who stayed home and just surrendered in that fight against those pests, especially since we probably could have crushed them if there had been twenty or thirty of us.
there is a massive difference between two guys yelling "USSF idiots—you ruined footballb> at a stadium versus ten times that amount. Is a victory even within reach if we only make up one percent of the crowd, rather than fifty?
that’s basically it: take the tickets from the USSF and then go tell them exactly what you think of them.
#170 ·
rustyangler122 said:...even though I already said over&out on this topic, what the hell are you even talking about?????
...just put numbers on the flares😢 and register them with an agency. Look, damn it, the USSF has plenty of money from all those fines, who gives a crap!...Besides, it's risky, might get me picked up by the cops...heh, what a joke. Do you honestly think there's any difference between just holding them and lighting them? And why do people throw them onto the pitch (mostly)? You should know that based on your own experience in your group???!?...In a stadium like our local minor league park, you can still hold them, but at a massive place like an NFL stadium, it's a whole different story...No way!
And yeah, it doesn't matter if the USSF has the cash...Not right now, it doesn't. Have you ever actually been in the stands where it isn't just the ultras? Like, went to see a game or heard people talking after things go down (like flares on the field/in the stands)? Again, it shouldn't matter what non-ultras think, but in this moment, it does... Because if 95% of Americans think we're just hooligans because we set off flares on the field, then that becomes the headline. It distracts from what companies like Pepsi or whatever else are actually breaking laws; they love that narrative. That idiot Davor Šuker once said, "if flares are the only issue, we'll allow them in the stands, just not thrown on the pitch"...It was obvious he was playing dumb with that line, knowing full well the real issues are corruption and legal violations, but they also know that if flares stay in the stands, nobody looks at it as hooliganism. To me, keeping flares in the stands doesn't look like we're defying the USSF, because flares are meant to build atmosphere and make the stands look better. That’s how it should be. I’m saying this specifically during this fight against the USSF, because this stuff hurts fan groups (public opinion + more bans) and helps the USSF. Without numbering everything, it's hard to push back, and whenever they're asked about anything, they just point fingers and say, "they're the ones ruining the sport, they're the ones throwing flares on the pitch." As ridiculous as it sounds to us, most people don't think deeper than that—they just agree with them...
#171 ·
Via Sebenico said:Now when things kick off at the national team game because someone lit a flare in the east stands and some activist starts making a scene about moral condemnation and all that...
I’m standing with rustyangler122. There is zero middle ground here, period.
If you give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.
The people acting shocked by flares are usually the ones who don't even follow the sport, and honestly, that's just a direct reflection of how the average person views fans.
This isn't about being "reasonable" or finding a compromise; it's about common sense. I've been talking for years about how this kind of mindless stupidity is going to land us right back in the dark ages. We didn't have to wait long, either—now we have people facing multi-year prison sentences just because of certain individuals who insist on running headfirst into a brick wall. Why are we surprised by the negative reputation? We basically built it ourselves (and look, I'm not condemning the actions of those who actually went to jail, but rather the absolute insanity of these draconian punishments).
And as for compromising? How many times have the NFL Ultras thrown flares onto the pitch during major international tournaments?
#172 ·
analogheron19 said:And when we talk about finding middle ground, just how many flares have the NFL Ultras actually thrown onto the pitch during major European matches?
Are you actually being serious right now???
#173 ·
Jose Kern11 said:Are you out of your mind???
Why? Just because I'm talking about common sense and the only logical move for the NFL Ultras?
Or do you actually think flares should be set off everywhere, all the time, regardless of who we're playing or how big the game is? You honestly think holding back on the pyrotechnics is some kind of compromise or that we've gone soft?
#174 ·
Via Sebenico said:Look, they know when to hold back. If flares were actually allowed in the stands, I’d be the first one calling them out for throwing them onto the pitch. But right now? It’s different. Honestly, I haven't even been close enough to a flare in a while, but seeing them lit up is great—they're just part of the culture.
It’s not the same thing for me, though. Throwing flares at an away game in Miami (God willing, if we ever head to NYC and things get heated with the cops) is a whole different beast than playing a cup match against some local semi-pro team or hitting up a preseason friendly in Colorado.
#175 ·
analogheron19 said:Why? Because I’m talking about common sense and the only logical move for the NFL Ultras?
Do you actually think flares should be thrown everywhere, regardless of who we're playing or how big the game is? Is choosing not to throw them really "selling out" or being an agent?
I don't think you understood me at all. Of course it's a compromise. It's one way to support the club—and a way to help yourself, too.
#176 ·
Ethan Cook said:I don't think he really caught your drift. Look, making a compromise is just one way to support the club—and honestly, it’s a way to look out for yourself, too.
But is having an agency absolutely necessary?
There are times and places where you just need to toss them in the trash, sure. But there are also moments when you have to hold back. If we actually want to win this fight against the vermin running the show, sometimes you have to use your head. You can't just think about the immediate win; you have to play the long game and mix up your tactics if you want to actually win the war.
#177 ·
analogheron19 said:But is an agency always necessary?
There are times and places where you have to strike, but there are also moments when you need to hold back. If we actually want to win this fight against the vermin, shouldn't we be thinking long-term instead of just reacting blindly? Why can't we mix our tactics?
In my view, no. If you break down which games require a direct hit and which don't, it's really just a question of feasibility. It all depends on the circumstances, but I'm telling you, it doesn't always require an agency...
#178 ·
Look, obviously the decision about the flares is a compromise—but it’s also just plain common sense. If the average person thinks a flare is just some hooligan nonsense, then yeah, it’s smart to hold back if we want people to actually back us up against the mob. Everyone on this forum knows they’re just waiting for any excuse to slap a "hooligan" label on us so they can dismiss our whole argument. You don't even have to be a genius to see it coming. Anything else is basically admitting the corrupt guys are just smarter and more manipulative than we are.
#179 ·
analogheron19 said:Why? Is it just because I’m talking about common sense and the only logical move for the Raiders?
Or do you actually believe flares should be tossed everywhere regardless of who we're playing or how big the match is? Do you really think choosing not to throw flares is some kind of compromise or proof of being an undercover agent?
Look, none of us want to see our club banned from European competition, and under this current management, that’s a very real risk we have to avoid. If the club were run by someone like Jerry Jones or even better, if people like a real visionary were tearing down the mess they've made, wouldn't I be the first one to light up five flares and aim them right at the UEFA inspector's head? It seems like you don't quite grasp that this national team doesn't represent anything uniquely American besides those players on the field, and honestly, half of them will be massive global brands in ten years anyway (kudos to guys like LeBron or Brady and the rest). Why should I care what some random guy from a tiny town in rural Nebraska thinks, especially when he’s probably only visiting a major stadium for the second time in his life? Should we really dictate our behavior based on whether some stranger might whistle at a flare? The truth is, most reasonable people can't bring themselves to support this national team the way they truly want to. It's like trying to cheer for a team where you can't even root for the local powerhouse without feeling conflicted. We need to change this dynamic regardless of public perception, rather than showing up to matches acting like everything is perfectly fine. If the league had stepped in and suspended the ownership three years ago, that owner wouldn't even be in power today, believe me. But instead, after all the scandals and investigations, he’s still out there celebrating another massive victory with a brass band (which immediately brings up the question regarding the regional leagues—if there are no flares and no aggressive chanting against rivals, what's left?)
#180 ·
It’s honestly just depressing when you really sit down and think about it all... I mean, how can someone show up to games for twenty years straight and still not have a clue what's actually going on...
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