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John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#121 ·
No, we aren't going to step in and micromanage the club's operations directly🙂

We've handpicked the people for these roles, so let them do their jobs. If things ever get truly desperate, we'll step up immediately, but we have no business meddling in the day-to-day management.

I’d hope you all could grasp that concept.😉
Brandon Wilson14 Brandon Wilson14 Active Member
73 messages
joined Sep 2011
#122 ·
Douglas Fisher2 said:I know plenty of people aren't exactly fans of the New York Cosmos, but you have to admit—their marketing is something else.

I’m not sure if anyone has actually had the chance to walk into a New York Cosmos retail store lately, but they’ve really gone all out. It’s the kind of place where everything from the gold accents to the throw pillows is decked out in the team's colors—it's honestly impressive. But what’s truly jarring is the disconnect. You look at how polished the merchandise is, then you think about the actual state of affairs down at the stadium, where there's constant confusion over who's running the show and who's footing the bills. Between the NFL Shop style setups, random kiosks at the local flea markets, and a total lack of any real intellectual property control, it feels more like a chaotic carnival than a professional sports operation.🙄
Douglas Fisher2 Douglas Fisher2 Member
27 messages
joined Mar 2012
#123 ·
Brandon Wilson14 said:I don't know if you've even had a chance to step foot in a New York Cosmos merch store lately, but they’ve decked it out so hard it'll knock your socks off—we're talking club colors from the gold trim down to the pillowcases. But honestly? The real kicker is the embarrassment of seeing how things are running down there. It's a total mess—nobody knows who's actually calling the shots or footing the bill. Between the NFL Shop stuff, those random street stalls, and zero respect for intellectual property... it's just a straight-up circus. 🙄

The more I hear about this New York Cosmos situation, the more it gets on my nerves. They literally built this thing from nothing—hockey in America used to be non-existent—and yet, despite having massive marketing potential, we have absolutely nothing to show for it. What a joke they've turned this club into...
Carol Jones77 Carol Jones77 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2022
#124 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRsS2JM2hRk

definitely one of the stronger 😁
jadecrane21 jadecrane21 Member
11 messages
joined Oct 2012
#125 ·
I suppose I should offer up a suggestion regarding these recent developments surrounding our Hajduk.

I suppose we are all under the impression that this loan guarantee solution is going to be some kind of magic bullet, but if I’m being honest, I don't think it’s actually going to do enough to get the club back on its feet, and it feels like we really ought to be looking toward much more substantial measures.
Alright, let’s get this moving—if anyone here actually has some constructive thoughts worth sharing, I suppose you could go ahead and lay them out. I suppose I should start by saying that ideas, in their purest sense, are often nothing more than fleeting shadows, though some people seem to think they can just conjure them out of thin air whenever it suits them. It’s a bit of a messy business, really, if you think about it too long—this whole concept of spontaneous thought. I mean, I guess we could sit here and toss around various notions, perhaps even something substantial, but I find myself wondering whether anyone actually has anything worth hearing, or if we're all just shouting into the void to feel less alone. Maybe there’s a point to it, a way to spark something useful, but I’ve always been a bit skeptical of sudden bursts of inspiration. It feels somewhat unearned, don't you think? Anyway, if anyone actually has a coherent thought they'd like to share, I suppose I'm listening, however reluctantly. For the sake of saving the club, I think we really need to stop tearing each other apart over ego trips like who’s the bigger hardcore supporter or who follows which specific faction. It feels to me like our Hajduk actually brought us all together in the stands, only for us to end up stuck with these completely unnecessary internal conflicts.

If you actually take a moment to look at the reality of things, without all that unnecessary, over-the-top sentimentality, our Hajduk is arguably more powerful than religion, the economy, or any other damn thing you could name on the Mediterranean Coast or even further afield. It’s almost absurd when you think about it. I guess we saw the living proof of that this past Friday; despite the pouring rain, such a massive crowd managed to gather in front of the city hall within just an hour. It was quite something, really.

So, where does that leave us now? I suppose we’re just standing here, staring at the wreckage, wondering what the next move actually is. It feels like we've hit a bit of a standstill, doesn't it? Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, or perhaps I'm just looking at the facts more bluntly than most people care to admit, but I guess we really are left asking ourselves: what now?

I suppose my take on this is that we ought to consider establishing some sort of dedicated fund, perhaps one where people could contribute a monthly amount—say, something in the ballpark of $100—just to get things moving. I guess it might be a way to build up some real momentum, though I realize that’s a rather simplistic way of looking at a complicated issue, and maybe I'm overthinking the logistics of it all.$67 I suppose we’re looking at a timeline of a year, or perhaps even longer, if we're being realistic about how much time it actually takes to provide any meaningful assistance to the club.
I suppose we really ought to get someone with actual credibility involved in this, maybe those folks over at the supporters' group for our Hajduk, if you catch my drift. I suppose if we’re being honest, I think the whole thing needs to be transparent. It feels like we’re constantly dancing around the truth, or maybe I'm just being overly cynical, but there really ought to be some level of openness here. I guess you could say things have been a bit murky lately, and if we want any real clarity, everything should be laid out plainly for everyone to see. I suppose, if we're looking at how this actually works, there’s a level of cooperation involved with the club, which basically means those funds end up being funneled directly into certain... well, I guess you could call them specific accounts or various other channels, depending on how one chooses to view the transparency of the whole operation. I suppose I should probably touch upon the whole matter of bonds, though it’s a dense subject that most people tend to gloss over when they’re busy chasing the next big thing in the stock market. It’s easy to get caught up in the volatility of tech stocks or whatever the current trend happens to be, but there is a certain, perhaps even tedious, necessity to looking at fixed income if one actually intends to build something lasting. I guess you could say it's about stability, though "stability" is often a relative term depending on how much the Fed decides to mess with interest rates this week. It feels like a slow game, maybe even a bit of a slog, but if you aren't paying attention to how government debt and corporate obligations shift, you might find yourself a bit caught off guard when the wind changes direction. It’s a heavy topic, I know, but I feel it's worth a moment of deliberation. I suppose, if one looks at how things might eventually stabilize once the club finally gets its act together, there will likely be some sort of mechanism to reward those who stuck by us—perhaps through subscription perks, exclusive merchandise, or something along those lines—for everyone who contributed financially during the lean times. As for this whole business with the bonds, I don't think it’s exactly rocket science; it really just functions as a series of legal, short-term, interest-free loans, which is a standard practice used by all sorts of organizations across the United States and around the world.

It seems perfectly reasonable, I suppose, that if we’re going to tap into those funds, there ought to be a strict requirement that the club transforms into a legitimate, functional organization—you know, one that isn't bloated with a hundred different directors and scouts who don't actually do anything—but rather something streamlined and compliant with league standards. After all, competing in Europe is a massive, distant goal anyway, so maybe it makes more sense to just focus on following the specific strategic path that the current supervisory board has laid out for us.

I suppose I’m well aware that everyone has pretty much lost all faith in everything at this point. 🤷Look, I suppose we could try to channel all this fanaticism into something actually productive, though I'm not entirely sure if that's even possible given the current climate. Maybe some people find all this noise to be a bit much, or perhaps they just see it as excessive, but I guess there might be a way to pivot. $33 Monthly? Well, I suppose we should at least try! Honestly, what good is being some hardcore ultra, a hooligan, or an outcast if the club itself goes under—which, let’s be real, isn't exactly impossible. It feels like there was this massive surge of mobilization across the Mediterranean Coast this past Friday, and whatever is coming our way this Monday is going to be something we won't soon forget, so it would be a real shame to just stand idly by. I guess we all need to put our heads together here and start throwing out some actual suggestions. I am fairly certain that we—the fans (whether you call yourselves ultras, thugs, rebels, idiots, hooligans, supporters, or whatever else)—can actually help ensure our Hajduk becomes a stable, functional organization; maybe without impossible expectations, but still keeping that unmistakable spirit of ours intact.

Maybe I just dreamt the whole thing, but honestly, who even knows anymore...
Tyler Thomas15 Tyler Thomas15 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2009
#126 ·
jadecrane21 said:Maybe I was dreaming, but who knows...


It wasn't a dream, you just slept through it. Are you an NH member?
jadecrane21 jadecrane21 Member
11 messages
joined Oct 2012
#127 ·
Tyler Thomas15 said:I don't think you actually missed it, maybe you're just running a bit behind schedule. Are you even a member of the NH?

Well, I am a member of NH, of Hajduk, of the Raiders faithful—basically everything under the sun. I suppose if I look at how much money I've poured into Hajduk over the last twenty years, I probably could have started building my own house by now. :-)
steelrider7 steelrider7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Oct 2012
#128 ·
John Brown30 said:Oh, please. Now even the deputy is complaining. Apparently, he wants the cash, but only if he gets to call the shots at our Hajduk! ☕

If you aren't feeling this common sense approach, go ask some old-timer what they think. Is this deputy a hero or a villain? 😍

He basically handed out bankruptcy filings and a few thousand bucks to some punks who have tiny engines, a hundred tattoos, and spend their entire day jerking off!!!

I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#129 ·
Yeah, you're right. Those glory days when Igor and Grgic were 🙂

at least we could count on winning the title 🙄

Since you've suffered so much and I can see you're an honest person, I'll pay you back everything you put into the NH. You'll just have to bring me a receipt so I can justify the expenses! ☕
Tyler Thomas15 Tyler Thomas15 Newcomer
1 message
joined Feb 2009
#130 ·
John Brown30 said:Yeah, you're absolutely right. Those glory days when Igor and Grgic were leading the charge... 🙂

back then, at least a championship felt like a done deal. 🙄

Since you've suffered through so much and I can see you're actually a decent person, I'll personally reimburse everything you've put into the NH fund. You'll just need to bring me a receipt so I have some way to justify the expenses! ☕

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Jeffrey Anderson Jeffrey Anderson Member
25 messages
joined Oct 2012
#131 ·
Fine, let’s just head down to the fourth division. Maybe we can regroup on some local field, win a championship, and come back stronger than we ever were. Honestly, my cat just went and trashed my keyboard, so I'm going to go spend some quality time pampering her since she's my favorite little thing...
Sam Sullivan58 Sam Sullivan58 Member
34 messages
joined Jul 2012
#132 ·
Jeffrey Anderson said:Anyway, my cat just trashed my keyboard. I'm gonna go give her some love now since she's actually pretty sweet despite the chaos...

😁
Samuel Cox24 Samuel Cox24 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Feb 2010
#133 ·
Perhaps the most fundamental way one can offer support to the club is through the simple act of purchasing a ticket—that is to say, actually showing up to the match. One cannot help but wonder, what if we could rally 25,000 people in California and send a clear, unmistakable message to the world? Imagine the impact. If we could maintain that momentum following the California era and ensure the stadium remains consistently full, we would truly be making a difference. This is how supporters can most effectively assist the club throughout the entire year; there is no need to rely solely on concerts or various fundraising drives, though I suppose those wouldn't hurt either. For instance, starting next year, what if every single one of us collectively renewed our memberships with the NH and committed to buying season tickets? We ought to cultivate that kind of culture, an ingrained habit among the fans, because I guarantee you that if, heaven forbid, bankruptcy were ever declared, you might see 100,000 people protesting in St, but by then, alas, it would already be far too late. The club's marketing department needs to extract the maximum potential from the fanbase while things are still stable.
Ronald Brooks75 Ronald Brooks75 Member
48 messages
joined Jan 2012
#134 ·
jadecrane21 said:I have a proposal regarding these recent developments surrounding our Hajduk.

First, I believe we all realize that this credit guarantee solution won't fully stabilize the club. More substantial action is required.
Let us present some constructive ideas to save the club, rather than bickering over ego-driven nonsense like who is the biggest ultra or which faction holds more sway. In my view, it was this very mentality that brought our supporters to the stands and ultimately led to these unnecessary clashes.

If one looks at the facts without excessive sentimentality, our Hajduk is stronger than religion, the economy, or any other local nuisance on the Mediterranean Coast, or even further afield. This was proven quite clearly this past Friday when such a massive crowd gathered in front of the gates within an hour, despite the downpour.

So, where do we go from here?

My opinion is that we should establish a fund where people contribute monthly—say, $100$67 over the course of a year (or longer) to assist the club.
This should be organized by a credible entity, perhaps the official supporters' association, transparently in cooperation with the club. These funds would then be converted into bonds that would eventually be paid back through season tickets, merchandise, etc., to those who contributed once the club stabilizes. This bond concept isn't rocket science; it would essentially function as legal, short-term interest-free loans, much like what many organizations worldwide utilize.

Naturally, the condition for using these funds must be that the club moves toward a realistic organizational structure—avoiding a bloated roster of directors and scouts—consistent with the league standards. Since competing in Europe is a distant goal anyway, they should follow the path currently laid out by the supervisory board.

I am aware that everyone has lost faith in everything 🤷, but let us attempt to channel this fanaticism into something productive. Perhaps $$33 per month seems high to some, but we must try. Being an ultra, a hooligan, or a rogue means nothing if the club collapses, which is a distinct possibility. On Friday, there was a true mobilization across the coast, and what awaits us on Monday will also be memorable; it would be a shame to let it go to waste. Let us put our heads together and submit proposals here. I am certain that we ourselves—the FANS (the ultras, the tough guys, the hooligans, the sympathizers, the eccentrics...)—can help ensure our Hajduk becomes a stable, functional club. We don't need massive expectations; we just need it to be our Hajduk.

Perhaps I am dreaming, but who knows...

I read that and thought it was a solid suggestion. If everyone with a season ticket also bought a match ticket—assuming there are roughly 5,000 season ticket holders—at $13 each, that would generate an additional $200,000 from just a single game.
Harold Kim5 Harold Kim5 Newcomer
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joined May 2010
#135 ·
Samuel Cox24 said:I suppose the most straightforward way to actually support the club is just buying a ticket... basically, showing up to the game... My goodness, if we could just get 25,000 people to gather in California and send a clear message to everyone... Good grief... Then, after California, we could reinforce the current situation by consistently filling the stadium... That’s how fans can most effectively help the club throughout the entire year; you don't necessarily need concerts or fundraising drives, though those wouldn't hurt either... For instance, maybe starting next year, everyone collectively renews their membership in NH, and we all just buy season tickets... We need to build that kind of culture, a habit among the people, because I suspect that if, heaven forbid, bankruptcy were declared, there would be 100,000 people protesting in St, but unfortunately, by then it would be too late; the club's marketing needs to maximize the potential within the fanbase while they still can.

The board has already initiated some campaigns that aren't just blatant begging—because that would immediately face disapproval from certain idiots—like the initiative involving Budweiser... So far, considering summer has passed, which is when beer consumption peaks, we've pulled in over $66667, and by the end of the year, it could reach half a million... A few more initiatives like that, combined with regular ticket purchases or season tickets and actually going to Sun Life Stadium, and the money will be there, I guess....
Ryan Chavez3 Ryan Chavez3 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2012
#136 ·
Ronald Brooks75 said:Honestly, that sounds like a pretty solid suggestion—having everyone with a season pass grab a ticket too. I don't know the exact number of season ticket holders, but if we're looking at maybe 5,000 people, and everyone spends about $13, that’s an extra $200,000 just from a single game.


I'll probably end up grabbing five tickets myself, but I really can't stand those acquaintances who have plenty of cash constantly hitting me up before every home game asking if I'll toss them a season pass so they can get in cheap. No way, not happening!

With this crowd, we could easily pack the stadium several times over—think about when California plays at home next weekend, or the big matchup against the Lakers, or the anniversary celebrations, and so on...

The club really ought to be doing more to rally the fans, though their marketing department seems to be moving at a snail's pace lately; they talk a big game, but they just never quite get around to it.🙄
Ronald Brooks75 Ronald Brooks75 Member
48 messages
joined Jan 2012
#137 ·
Ryan Chavez3 said:Look, I’ll grab five tickets, but I can't stand those acquaintances who are loaded enough to act up before every home game; they always try to push a season pass on me just so they can get in. Not happening. No way!

And then there are the ones trying to sneak in through the gates. I’ve personally witnessed people standing outside the stadium calling around, begging to be let in without a ticket.😠
It is understood that some people are broke. That is fine.
As for the rest, there is no need to even discuss it. We average about two home games a month, which means $27 monthly... What an average guy in Chicago spends on coffee, cigarettes, and a parlay over a single weekend...🙄
Jacob Palmer77 Jacob Palmer77 Active Member
60 messages
joined Sep 2011
#138 ·
Ronald Brooks75 said:And then you've got those guys hanging out by the entrance. 😠

Honestly, they're nothing compared to someone who actually gets a delegate pass for some tiny-time outfit in the USSF.🤣🤣
Brandon Wilson14 Brandon Wilson14 Active Member
73 messages
joined Sep 2011
#139 ·
jadecrane21 said:It might seem like a lot to some people, those specific details... $33 Monthly.

Generally speaking, how is it that we still find ourselves in this exact same position? It’s one of those questions that keeps me up at night sometimes, wondering how things haven't shifted yet. Every single day. There’s a certain lifestyle that just calls to you—smoking red Philip Morris cigarettes, sipping coffee on the Boardwalk, and spending every single weekend going hard with drinks. It’s about living fast, whether that means pushing the speedometer or financing a brand-new Yamaha or Vespa just to feel that rush. We’ve got a fleet of rides that could honestly give those guys in Dubai a run for their money, and even when things break down, we just head over to Joker to get everything sorted out. It’s a vibe, really. But then, whenever it actually comes time to step up and contribute... $167 I’m weighing my options here—do I go all in on the shares, or should I just settle for 150?$33 When it comes to joining the Organization, suddenly everyone gets incredibly tight-fisted and manages to dig up twenty different excuses to stay on the sidelines. It’s funny how that works. Yet, if you look at the reality of the situation, about 90% of the people in Miami are doing quite well for themselves. I'm talking about folks pulling in at least $15,000 a month just by renting out apartments, beach houses, or even extra basement space right here in the city. And don't even get me started on the vacation rentals and coastal homes out on the islands—the revenue there is absolutely massive.
We’re all going to end up starving if we keep this up. Only then can you come to me and claim you didn't have enough left over to pick up a share of the stock. $33 Regarding the annual report for the Organization. ☕
restlessbear25 restlessbear25 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#140 ·
Samoborček said:The club is short by $15 million, and these little ticket-related schemes will only bring in maybe $700k to $900k at most. It won't hurt the club, but it sure isn't going to help.

Right now, our current liabilities are sitting at about $13 million, meaning we're actually short by roughly $6 million. Honestly, we’ll be facing bankruptcy unless we collect on those transfer fees from this summer really quickly.

So there it is: $6 million. We actually need another $4 million just to stay afloat for another year, which means we need $9 million in total transfer revenue across both the winter and summer windows. That’s what it takes—$9 million—just to clear the debts without taking on more loans for the rest of the year.

Now, do the math... how much can we realistically make selling players like Radošević, Blažević, Oremuš, Maloča, Vršajević, Milić, Vuković, Caktaš, and Andrijašević?

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