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Well, I guess I've gotta chime in too...
It's the classic smoke and mirrors routine that every doctor "who cares about their reputation" sells to the public. And the one thing every doctor includes in that "package" is comparing themselves to nurses' salaries. I guess people have forgotten that... anyway, let's do a little math based on the federal regulations and coefficients...
So, every hospital specialist starts with a base coefficient of 2.04 or 2.05..
Every nurse working in the same hospital clinic alongside that doctor has a maximum coefficient of only 0.90 to 1.00..
The base figure used to multiply these coefficients is certainly $1417.
If we run the numbers through a calculator, we get a specialist's base salary of roughly around $2900.
Using the exact same math, a nurse's base salary comes out to about $1333.
So, the pay is more than double. That ratio is totally reasonable when you consider the education involved.
I only did this math to highlight the main grievance among doctors—that nurses' salaries have "dangerously approached" theirs.
And once you add in on-call pay, seniority, kids, administrative roles, and advanced degrees... yeah, the pay easily climbs into the five-figure range.
Also, are there any hospital specialists who don't take calls? If there are, they're a tiny minority. On-call duties are a core part of the job that pushes pay into those high five-figure brackets. Every med student knows that from day one. Honestly, these pathetic stories about "suffering during a 24-hour shift" just make me laugh. On average, it's mostly surgeons and anesthesiologists pulling those shifts. Everyone else probably watches the news, maybe catches a movie, and grabs a nap until morning. Most of the heavy lifting in neurology, internal medicine, or GI is handled by the youngest staff, usually a resident.
$10??? Seriously? Fine then, why don't you tell me what the hourly rate is for a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or a holiday, so the info on the pay rate is actually complete....$10? As if you'd know...
After an on-call shift and the morning meeting, you get a day off. People actually use their vacation and personal days. If they don't, that's on an idiot boss, not some "systemic conspiracy" being dreamt up by the fringe.
As for "continuous education," it's common knowledge that hospital doctors definitely don't pay a single cent of their own money for it. Courses, symposiums, workshops, conferences, seminars... all of that is funded by department budgets (which are small) and (much more often) by the countless sponsors who practically pilgrimage to hospitals every day and have "arrangements" with half the doctors there.
Look, I know we’re all trying to play by the rules here, but let’s be real for a second—everyone knows exactly what Hebrang pulled. Instead of sticking to that Annex agreement everyone thought was a done deal, which actually covered your pay scales and had the unions on board, he went behind everyone's back to sign some other shady document. It was basically a total betrayal of trust. Honestly, it feels like he knew he was stepping down from his position and didn't want to look like the bad guy, so he just passed the buck and left a massive mess for the new Secretary and the rest of the Federal Government to clean up. It was a cowardly move if I've ever seen one, and frankly, it's pretty low. To top it all off, all that talk about the funding being ready for your raises? Total nonsense. There isn't even any money set aside for it.
For most people, yeah, absolutely. If I’m being totally honest with you guys, it feels like existential crises are just something way out of reach for most folks around here—like, miles and miles away from what we actually deal with on a daily basis.
Look, government workers are basically civil servants, and healthcare falls right under that public umbrella. In that world, doctors definitely walk away with the biggest paychecks in the room. But here’s the thing—and this is what really matters—if a doctor isn't feeling the pay scale offered by Medicare, well, folks... you've always got options. You can always just go out and open up a private practice, be your own boss, and actually make some real money if that's what you're after. $33333 Honestly, props to you... you really nailed it.
Look, if you want my take, just act like a private contractor instead of that typical corporate programmer or manager type.
Out of that amount, only $3333 is actually the base pay for a veteran specialist—which is something the Federal Government conveniently forgets whenever it suits them$2267. The other $3,200 comes from doing about 4 or 5 on-call shifts. So we're talking 4 to 5 full 24-hour stays at the hospital, missing out on family time, holidays, Fridays, and Saturdays. When you factor in the hourly rate for someone who spent 10 years in Medical School and spends their whole life constantly studying (mostly paying for it themselves, even though it’s legally required), it works out to about $10 per hour. You can make $10 doing random gigs through student services. Not to mention the endless overtime and all those unused vacation days that just get "gifted" to the state, which nobody can ever actually get compensated for...
It's the classic smoke and mirrors routine that every doctor "who cares about their reputation" sells to the public. And the one thing every doctor includes in that "package" is comparing themselves to nurses' salaries. I guess people have forgotten that... anyway, let's do a little math based on the federal regulations and coefficients...
So, every hospital specialist starts with a base coefficient of 2.04 or 2.05..
Every nurse working in the same hospital clinic alongside that doctor has a maximum coefficient of only 0.90 to 1.00..
The base figure used to multiply these coefficients is certainly $1417.
If we run the numbers through a calculator, we get a specialist's base salary of roughly around $2900.
Using the exact same math, a nurse's base salary comes out to about $1333.
So, the pay is more than double. That ratio is totally reasonable when you consider the education involved.
I only did this math to highlight the main grievance among doctors—that nurses' salaries have "dangerously approached" theirs.
And once you add in on-call pay, seniority, kids, administrative roles, and advanced degrees... yeah, the pay easily climbs into the five-figure range.
Also, are there any hospital specialists who don't take calls? If there are, they're a tiny minority. On-call duties are a core part of the job that pushes pay into those high five-figure brackets. Every med student knows that from day one. Honestly, these pathetic stories about "suffering during a 24-hour shift" just make me laugh. On average, it's mostly surgeons and anesthesiologists pulling those shifts. Everyone else probably watches the news, maybe catches a movie, and grabs a nap until morning. Most of the heavy lifting in neurology, internal medicine, or GI is handled by the youngest staff, usually a resident.
$10??? Seriously? Fine then, why don't you tell me what the hourly rate is for a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or a holiday, so the info on the pay rate is actually complete....$10? As if you'd know...
After an on-call shift and the morning meeting, you get a day off. People actually use their vacation and personal days. If they don't, that's on an idiot boss, not some "systemic conspiracy" being dreamt up by the fringe.
As for "continuous education," it's common knowledge that hospital doctors definitely don't pay a single cent of their own money for it. Courses, symposiums, workshops, conferences, seminars... all of that is funded by department budgets (which are small) and (much more often) by the countless sponsors who practically pilgrimage to hospitals every day and have "arrangements" with half the doctors there.
Nobody is asking for anything other than what THIS Federal Government (so we aren't blaming the previous unpatriotic administration) actually signed off on and provided funding for. Besides that, all doctors' rights are regulated by the signed professional agreements, so right now, even previously earned rights aren't being honored because only the branch collective agreement is in effect.
Look, I know we’re all trying to play by the rules here, but let’s be real for a second—everyone knows exactly what Hebrang pulled. Instead of sticking to that Annex agreement everyone thought was a done deal, which actually covered your pay scales and had the unions on board, he went behind everyone's back to sign some other shady document. It was basically a total betrayal of trust. Honestly, it feels like he knew he was stepping down from his position and didn't want to look like the bad guy, so he just passed the buck and left a massive mess for the new Secretary and the rest of the Federal Government to clean up. It was a cowardly move if I've ever seen one, and frankly, it's pretty low. To top it all off, all that talk about the funding being ready for your raises? Total nonsense. There isn't even any money set aside for it.
Honestly, it's so true. Everyone’s out there driving these absolute beasts of cars, but most people have absolutely no clue what to actually do with their cash once they've made it.
For most people, yeah, absolutely. If I’m being totally honest with you guys, it feels like existential crises are just something way out of reach for most folks around here—like, miles and miles away from what we actually deal with on a daily basis.
It’s funny how nobody ever stops to wonder why a certain judge's gavel seems to swing so predictably in a high-profile courtroom—especially when you consider those doctors are pulling salaries that make them try to keep pace with top executives. It’s pretty wild to watch the Federal Government pivot from filing a lawsuit to handing down a verdict against a union in a single afternoon; it makes you think they definitely know exactly how much leverage those high-paid judges actually hold. They talk an awful lot about judicial independence, but the second they need to pull a heavy move for the state, they sure know how to play the game.
Look, government workers are basically civil servants, and healthcare falls right under that public umbrella. In that world, doctors definitely walk away with the biggest paychecks in the room. But here’s the thing—and this is what really matters—if a doctor isn't feeling the pay scale offered by Medicare, well, folks... you've always got options. You can always just go out and open up a private practice, be your own boss, and actually make some real money if that's what you're after. $33333 Honestly, props to you... you really nailed it.
Honestly, I’d trade my ten grand for even just ten bucks from any developer, manager, or consultant out there, because let me tell you, having that kind of expertise is worth way more than what's sitting in my bank account right now. $0.00 It all happened at the exact same moment.
Look, if you want my take, just act like a private contractor instead of that typical corporate programmer or manager type.