United States GP - Sep 26, 2010

Jason Campbell70 said:God, how did we get this stupid? 😁🙏

Incompetent Italians copying an even more incompetent Red Bull. 🙏

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I've gotta see this happen 😂

Jason Campbell70 and Helio dos Santos Montebery are pulling for the same team and the same driver 🙏

Tomorrow’s gonna be a bloodbath 🤣

stormybadger8 said:🤣🤣🤣🤣

I've gotta see this happen 😂

Jason Campbell70 and Helio dos Santos Montebery are pulling for the same team and the same driver 🙏

Tomorrow’s gonna be a bloodbath 🤣

Please don't group me in with whatever little idol of teenage girls (Fernando Alonso, not Helio dos Santos Montebery 😁) you're talking about. ☕

Since 1996, Jason Campbell70 has been a Ferrari fan. ☕

But not an Alonso fan. 🤮

Goodnight. ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:God, how did we get this stupid? 😁🙏

Incompetent Italians copying an even more incompetent Red Bull. 🙏

You clearly don't get it. A follower never copies the leader because the leader is attacking while the follower is defending—that's just logic.

But the leader always has to copy the other guy and track his every move because he's the one being hunted—it's the same thing in war, you know? Especially now that refueling is gone, right?

Of course not, you know. That's because you're.......

Give me a break, just live your life.

Because you're an IDIOT.

😁😁😁

Suddenly I feel much better............

silvercobra68 said:You clearly don't get it. A follower never copies the leader because the leader is attacking while the follower is defending—that's just logic.

But the leader always has to copy the other guy and track his every move because he's the one being hunted—it's the same thing in war, you know? Especially now that refueling is gone, right?

Of course not, you know. That's because you're.......

Give me a break, just live your life.

Because you're an IDIOT.

😁😁😁

Suddenly I feel much better............

Posting this under a quota just so you won't delete it.🙂

Frank Collins85 said:Posting this under a quota just so you won't delete it.🙂

hahaha, come on, silvercobra68 isn't some amateur who goes around deleting posts

BTW, you can go join forces with Jason Campbell70 since you're already sticking your nose into my business and his, acting all high and mighty

In plain English: YOU IDIOT!

😁😁😁😁

this is better than a steak dinner!

silvercobra68 said:hahaha, come on, silvercobra68 isn't some amateur who goes around deleting posts

BTW, you can go join forces with Jason Campbell70 since you're already sticking your nose into my business and his, acting all high and mighty

In plain English: YOU IDIOT!

😁😁😁😁

this is better than a steak dinner!

Insulting fellow forum members so crudely: 500 points x 2 = 1000 = 👋

😲 Literally unbelievable. 🤣

That’s what you call being lucky. 😁

I’m honestly convinced Sebastian Vettel was faster than Alonso, but he finally calmed down and realized taking 18 points is better than nothing at all. It’s hard to say if he even could have overtaken him if he’d really gone for it. Once Lewis Hamilton dropped out, this turned into quite a decent haul for both of them...🙂

Mark Webber had incredible luck—no penalty, and those tires somehow lasted 25 laps... He earned that title 🤦

Jenson Button is what gets on my nerves the most; he just drives so predictably, picking up points and staying right at the top 😕
I much prefer an aggressive Lewis Hamilton, someone who puts his whole soul into the track, rather than that lifeless, hollow Button, it's awful...👎

With a lucky Webber in the mix, I still think the main fight through to the end will be between Sebastian Vettel and Alonso.
I’ll give the slight edge to Red Bull because they still seem to be one step ahead ☕

stormybadger8 said:👍 Just like I thought. It was a brilliant tactical move by Red Bull Racing (doesn't matter if it was Vettel, Christian Horner, or whoever), but Ferrari played the whole thing better. Between that and Vettel's pretty messy exit, Ferrari walked away with the win. 👍

They were equally fast anyway, so there wasn't much else to be done. Sadly, qualifying decided everything. If Vettel had grabbed pole, things probably would have ended the same way, just with Vettel in 1st and Alonso in 2nd.

Honestly, Alonso absolutely earned this win. 👍

If Alonso goes into the pit stop first (but they go together, he’s just ahead of Vettel), everything plays out fine. Vettel has zero chance of jumping him. That is, assuming everything goes perfectly.

Shouldn't Vettel have just stayed one lap behind Alonso on track instead? Like, just make that call himself? It might have given him a fighting chance, especially since he was already safe from the guys trailing them anyway.

What was the actual gap between them on track at that moment?

Frank Collins85 said:Insulting fellow forum members so crudely: 500 points x 2 = 1000 = 👋

🙏🙏🙏

dinner and drinks are on me

We could honestly go on forever about what the rest of the championship looks like.

To me, McLaren looks like they’ve got the weakest shot at it. They aren't totally out of the running points-wise, but they just don't seem competitive enough. Unless, of course, they've been sitting on some secret development they haven't brought out yet.

A few races ago, everyone was writing Alonso off and making jokes at Ferrari's expense, but look how much they're being feared now. Just remember how much people mocked Alonso when he insisted he could still fight for the title. Honestly, if it weren't for those engine issues, he likely would have clinched it already. McLaren has upgrades coming for Suzuka, and we aren't even close to the finish line yet, so I don't get why people are dismissing them so easily. It's the same old story: Alonso is battling engine reliability and Red Bull is dealing with their own set of issues—from brakes and spark plugs to stupid collisions—yet here is McLaren, back in the mix.

EDIT;We’ve got a good upgrade for Suzuka: we’ll have something that we tried to put on the car this weekend but couldn’t - for reliability reasons. Coupled with our planned-for-Suzuka upgrade, it should hopefully be a bit of a double-whammy

Jenson Button http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/9/11312.html

dustyskipper77 said:I’m honestly convinced Sebastian Vettel was faster than Alonso, but he finally calmed down and realized taking 18 points is better than nothing at all. It’s hard to say if he even could have overtaken him if he’d really gone for it. Once Lewis Hamilton dropped out, this turned into quite a decent haul for both of them...🙂

Mark Webber had incredible luck—no penalty, and those tires somehow lasted 25 laps... He earned that title 🤦

Jenson Button is what gets on my nerves the most; he just drives so predictably, picking up points and staying right at the top 😕
I much prefer an aggressive Lewis Hamilton, someone who puts his whole soul into the track, rather than that lifeless, hollow Button, it's awful...👎

With a lucky Webber in the mix, I still think the main fight through to the end will be between Sebastian Vettel and Alonso.
I’ll give the slight edge to Red Bull because they still seem to be one step ahead ☕

When Button attacks Hem in Turkey, the message he gets is "save fuel," but when Button attacks Hem at Spa-Francorchamps, the instruction is "be careful, you might need to come in for a pit stop." In Singapore, he can feel lucky to be within just 30 seconds; if it hadn't been for the SC, the top two would have lapped him. It really seems like McLaren is falling behind both Ferrari and Red Bull.
And I have absolutely no doubt that Button will be the first one to seize the opportunity (provided his car allows it) and tear through the rest of those jokers, simply because he is the most composed, the most level-headed, and it appears to me that he drives with the least amount of pressure.

Amanda Kelly said:If Alonso goes into the pit stop first (but they go together, he’s just ahead of Vettel), everything plays out fine. Vettel has zero chance of jumping him. That is, assuming everything goes perfectly.

Shouldn't Vettel have just stayed one lap behind Alonso on track instead? Like, just make that call himself? It might have given him a fighting chance, especially since he was already safe from the guys trailing them anyway.

What was the actual gap between them on track at that moment?

Hell no. Quite the opposite.😉

I put the link above. Both guys were losing roughly 0.5 to 1 second per lap because their tires clearly gave up. Plus, Vettel on the hard compound was noticeably faster than he was on those old softs.😉

On top of that, Alonso was pulling 0.5 seconds faster on those hards in the first lap than Vettel was on his old softs the lap before.

Staying out wouldn't have helped him catch up at all.

The only thing they screwed up was waiting too long to grab fresh rubber. They had a guaranteed window to jump ahead of Lewis Hamilton if they'd pitted earlier. If they'd switched to new tires while the track was clear, maybe they'd have a fighting chance. Staying out on old tires was just a disaster.😉

They hit the pit stop on lap 30, even though the tires were only rated for about 15-20 laps. But the SC caught them early.😉
If they’d stayed out for one more lap, they would've been totally screwed. There were yellow flags by lap 31, and the SC came out at the start of lap 32. So they wouldn't have made things worse, they just would've lost ground to Lewis Hamilton—and probably Jenson Button too.

Amanda Kelly said:We could honestly go on forever about what the rest of the championship looks like.

To me, McLaren looks like they’ve got the weakest shot at it. They aren't totally out of the running points-wise, but they just don't seem competitive enough. Unless, of course, they've been sitting on some secret development they haven't brought out yet.

The way I see it, Lewis Hamilton completely screwed them over. They’ll probably end up finishing third in the constructors' championship after leading almost the entire time.🤦

After all this nonsense, Red Bull's constructors' title feels basically 100% guaranteed right now.👍

As for the drivers, I'm betting the fight stays between Alonso-Vettel-Webber.
It really all boils down to whatever internal drama is brewing at Red Bull.🤷

But regardless, someone from Red Bull Racing has to take the title. I honestly doubt those Ferrari engines can survive all four races; maybe they'll pull it off, but it'll be tight. They'll likely have to baby them during the last two races, and that could give Red Bull the winning edge.

There’s one thing nobody seems to be paying attention to... and unfortunately, neither are the stewards.
Basically, regarding that "incident" between Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton, the blame actually lies with those trailing Lotus drivers. Instead of clearing out immediately once the SC came in, they just sat there stalling—especially Webber—which basically handed Lewis his opening to attack.
I have no clue why the officials don't penalize stuff like this... I mean, what is Jarno Trulli doing hovering five or six corners ahead of Webber when he's got Hamilton breathing down his neck like absolute fire?
Besides, if we look back at when Michael Schumacher didn't play fair by failing to clear out Alonso and Sebastian Vettel right away...
When people just lack common sense, the only thing that works is a penalty... specifically a fine.
That’s how you make them learn the rules fast.
That being said, I don't personally think what happened between Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton warrants a penalty.

Oh, and before I forget... let's talk about another "brilliant" tactical move from Red Bull... truly "fantastic" timing on that pit stop.
I honestly can't remember a single team in history—especially one fighting for a championship—that has made such a string of catastrophically bad decisions.

stormybadger8 said:Hell no. Quite the opposite.😉

I put the link above. Both guys were losing roughly 0.5 to 1 second per lap because their tires clearly gave up. Plus, Vettel on the hard compound was noticeably faster than he was on those old softs.😉

On top of that, Alonso was pulling 0.5 seconds faster on those hards in the first lap than Vettel was on his old softs the lap before.

Staying out wouldn't have helped him catch up at all.

The only thing they screwed up was waiting too long to grab fresh rubber. They had a guaranteed window to jump ahead of Lewis Hamilton if they'd pitted earlier. If they'd switched to new tires while the track was clear, maybe they'd have a fighting chance. Staying out on old tires was just a disaster.😉

They hit the pit stop on lap 30, even though the tires were only rated for about 15-20 laps. But the SC caught them early.😉
If they’d stayed out for one more lap, they would've been totally screwed. There were yellow flags by lap 31, and the SC came out at the start of lap 32. So they wouldn't have made things worse, they just would've lost ground to Lewis Hamilton—and probably Jenson Button too.

And let's be honest, even if they had pitted, Fernando Alonso would have likely come in right alongside him, leaving them right back where they started. Sebastian Vettel just couldn't find any way to turn that situation to his advantage, no matter how hard he tried.😉

wiredtiger8 said:There’s one thing nobody seems to be paying attention to... and unfortunately, neither are the stewards.
Basically, regarding that "incident" between Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton, the blame actually lies with those trailing Lotus drivers. Instead of clearing out immediately once the SC came in, they just sat there stalling—especially Webber—which basically handed Lewis his opening to attack.
I have no clue why the officials don't penalize stuff like this... I mean, what is Jarno Trulli doing hovering five or six corners ahead of Webber when he's got Hamilton breathing down his neck like absolute fire?
Besides, if we look back at when Michael Schumacher didn't play fair by failing to clear out Alonso and Sebastian Vettel right away...
When people just lack common sense, the only thing that works is a penalty... specifically a fine.
That’s how you make them learn the rules fast.
That being said, I don't personally think what happened between Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton warrants a penalty.

Oh, and before I forget... let's talk about another "brilliant" tactical move from Red Bull... truly "fantastic" timing on that pit stop.
I honestly can't remember a single team in history—especially one fighting for a championship—that has made such a string of catastrophically bad decisions.

What are you even talking about? Ferrari actually stated they had been practicing these exact scenarios—handling sudden pit entries when the driver behind is right there. In other words, Sebastian Vettel could have pitted whenever he wanted, but Fernando Alonso would have just come in right alongside him anyway. If Sebastian Vettel had stayed out for even one more lap, he would have been too slow and lost it all regardless. Ferrari played this race perfectly (even Massa managed to walk away with points), whereas Red Bull simply did the absolute best they could under the circumstances.

Someone mentioned hat tricks earlier, but I suspect Blažičko was likely referring to—or perhaps he was misinformed and conflating terms—a Grand Slam or a Grand Chelem (which consists of pole position, the race win, fastest lap, and leading every single lap). The last time we saw that level of dominance was when Michael Schumacher pulled it off back in 2004 at the Canadian Grand Prix. For Fernando Alonso, that was his first time achieving it, and he remains the only driver on the current grid to have managed such a feat alongside Schumacher. To date, Alonso is only the 21st driver in history to accomplish this. As for Mark Webber, he came incredibly close twice this year—once in Monaco and again in Spain—but unfortunately, someone snatched the fastest lap away from him right at the end.

mistybear87 said:What are you even talking about? Ferrari actually stated they had been practicing these exact scenarios—handling sudden pit entries when the driver behind is right there. In other words, Sebastian Vettel could have pitted whenever he wanted, but Fernando Alonso would have just come in right alongside him anyway. If Sebastian Vettel had stayed out for even one more lap, he would have been too slow and lost it all regardless. Ferrari played this race perfectly (even Massa managed to walk away with points), whereas Red Bull simply did the absolute best they could under the circumstances.

What am I talking about?
I'm talking about the fact that Red Bull could—and should—be practicing these tactical maneuvers so they aren't caught off guard.
Think about it: Sebastian Vettel dives into the pits and only *then* does the crew scramble... they have a solid 7 to 10 seconds before the car actually reaches the mechanics. That is more than enough time for a crew that isn't running around like headless chickens.
And let's be real, this isn't some groundbreaking tactical genius stuff... we saw this kind of chess match back in the 1998-1999 seasons during those legendary battles between McLaren and Ferrari.

The bottom line is this: if you have the car in second place and you're clearly faster on track (which was obviously the case with Sebastian Vettel), you hold the tactical upper hand when it comes to pit strategy.
Now, whether you can actually turn that theoretical advantage into a win on Sunday is a whole different story. Red Bull clearly can't.

So yeah, that's my point...