United States GP - Sep 26, 2010

Fernando Alonso 🙏 ! Seriously, man, that was something else. Some might call it controlled, but if you ask me, it was surgical.

Also, Alonso and Sebastian Vettel absolutely crushed the rest of the field today 🙏. It was a total beatdown. Mark Webber and Jenson Button were sitting thirty seconds back—and considering the SC, that’s basically a second per lap on average.

Amanda Kelly said:I wouldn't go that far.
At Monza, Lewis Hamilton was actually trying to make the move. Here, Mark Webber was busy blocking him—playing the rear guard, you know?

If Lewis Hamilton made any mistake, it was probably not leaving an extra half-meter of breathing room. He could have likely squeezed through if he'd given it a bit more space on the right.
In that moment, Mark Webber was sitting right in his blind spot. Lewis Hamilton simply didn't see him and thought the overtake was already done. Then, boom—he gets torpedoed.

Of course, you can expect the little piglet to argue that he didn't brake hard enough.
Honestly, the look on Mark Webber's face in that room where the three of them were sitting before the podium tells the whole story. You can practically feel the frustration radiating off him. Sebastian Vettel is ahead of him (again), having caused a mess—which, let's be honest, probably doesn't bother him much.
Meanwhile, Vettel looks like a happy kid, and Fernando Alonso is just doing his own thing again...

I wouldn't go that far. If you look at the shot of the podium during the national anthems, it actually reveals a rather somber side to Sebastian Vettel...

mistybear87 said:roughly 🙂

wasn't that a quick Nick? Kazuki kissed the wall a few laps ago 🙂

Grandpa had three different runs with Sauber, and that first one with Kamui Kobayashi felt like the Japanese man was just being way too aggressive... Though I didn't get a great look at it, they didn't exactly seem shaken by showing off those crashes...

Am I tripping, or did Vettel just breeze right past Webber at the end of the race without saying a single word or even making a gesture? 🤣

Amanda Kelly said:I wouldn't go that far.
At Monza, Lewis Hamilton was actually trying to make the move. Here, Mark Webber was busy blocking him—playing the rear guard, you know?

If Lewis Hamilton made any mistake, it was probably not leaving an extra half-meter of breathing room. He could have likely squeezed through if he'd given it a bit more space on the right.
In that moment, Mark Webber was sitting right in his blind spot. Lewis Hamilton simply didn't see him and thought the overtake was already done. Then, boom—he gets torpedoed.

Of course, you can expect the little piglet to argue that he didn't brake hard enough.
Honestly, the look on Mark Webber's face in that room where the three of them were sitting before the podium tells the whole story. You can practically feel the frustration radiating off him. Sebastian Vettel is ahead of him (again), having caused a mess—which, let's be honest, probably doesn't bother him much.
Meanwhile, Vettel looks like a happy kid, and Fernando Alonso is just doing his own thing again...

I already wrote a post that mysteriously vanished....😁

Aside from the fact that Webber was a bit too aggressive when "closing the door"—even if, in my opinion, he had no right to do so—what about those two backmarkers (like an HRT or Virđin type car) that ended up stuck between Webber and Vettel?

They're the ones who really stirred the pot. 😳

stormyviper11 said:Grandpa had three different runs with Sauber, and that first one with Kamui Kobayashi felt like the Japanese man was just being way too aggressive... Though I didn't get a great look at it, they didn't exactly seem shaken by showing off those crashes...

My apologies, I misread your post 😳

stormyviper11 said:Am I tripping, or did Vettel just breeze right past Webber at the end of the race without saying a single word or even making a gesture? 🤣

And even the podium finish felt a bit somber. 😉

Amanda Kelly said:I wouldn't go that far.
At Monza, Lewis Hamilton was actually trying to make the move. Here, Mark Webber was busy blocking him—playing the rear guard, you know?

If Lewis Hamilton made any mistake, it was probably not leaving an extra half-meter of breathing room. He could have likely squeezed through if he'd given it a bit more space on the right.
In that moment, Mark Webber was sitting right in his blind spot. Lewis Hamilton simply didn't see him and thought the overtake was already done. Then, boom—he gets torpedoed.

Of course, you can expect the little piglet to argue that he didn't brake hard enough.
Honestly, the look on Mark Webber's face in that room where the three of them were sitting before the podium tells the whole story. You can practically feel the frustration radiating off him. Sebastian Vettel is ahead of him (again), having caused a mess—which, let's be honest, probably doesn't bother him much.
Meanwhile, Vettel looks like a happy kid, and Fernando Alonso is just doing his own thing again...

Seriously, what kind of driver doesn't realize where the car is that they just overtook? 🤷 😁
That's driving 101—honestly, it's stuff you learn in driver's ed! It's just basic logic: "if you passed someone less than half a second ago and they aren't in your rearview mirror, there's a massive chance they're in your blind spot."🤷
Lewis Hamilton went in looking for a fight and ended up getting burned himself... ☕ talk is cheap, I guess... ☕ If he had just left enough space for Mark Webber (and if you aren't sure what that looks like, just watch the replay of how Jenson Button left him space in the corner), he probably would have made it through. Instead, he just made another silly error.
It's a total racing incident... I actually love seeing that the stewards are finally starting to use their eyes properly.👍

nimblesurfer17 said:Seriously, what kind of driver doesn't realize where the car is that they just overtook? 🤷 😁
That's driving 101—honestly, it's stuff you learn in driver's ed! It's just basic logic: "if you passed someone less than half a second ago and they aren't in your rearview mirror, there's a massive chance they're in your blind spot."🤷
Lewis Hamilton went in looking for a fight and ended up getting burned himself... ☕ talk is cheap, I guess... ☕ If he had just left enough space for Mark Webber (and if you aren't sure what that looks like, just watch the replay of how Jenson Button left him space in the corner), he probably would have made it through. Instead, he just made another silly error.
It's a total racing incident... I actually love seeing that the stewards are finally starting to use their eyes properly.👍

I wouldn't say that's quite right. The blind spot in Formula 1 is actually much larger than people realize—even someone with Lewis Hamilton's experience couldn't have spotted him there. He really could have left a bit more breathing room, but he didn't. At the end of the day, it was just a racing incident, and that's how it's gotta be. 😉

mistybear87 said:And even the podium finish felt a bit somber. 😉

Not exactly a reason to throw a party either. He only lost 3 points to Mark Webber, but being 21 points behind after 4 races is a much bigger deal than being 24 behind after 5.😉

If he’d won, he’d be just 14 points back, which isn't huge, but still matters to the crew.

All signs point to Mark Webber being the clear number one at Red Bull Racing.😢

His only real shot is at the Japan Grand Prix if Webber gets tangled up with Lewis Hamilton or Mass and Vettel takes the win.

Anything else means he's basically done.😢

The competition is way too fierce for Red Bull to keep playing games. Personally, I think if they put everything behind Webber, he might still blow it. Luck doesn't stay on your side forever when you're constantly fighting for position, and he could easily lose the title thanks to team orders.

Honestly, I'm worried Red Bull is headed for some serious drama.😢

stormyviper11 said:Grandpa had three different runs with Sauber, and that first one with Kamui Kobayashi felt like the Japanese man was just being way too aggressive... Though I didn't get a great look at it, they didn't exactly seem shaken by showing off those crashes...

Kamui Kobayashi drove like Takuma Sato during his prime today. 😁

nimblesurfer17 said:Seriously, what kind of driver doesn't realize where the car is that they just overtook? 🤷 😁
That's driving 101—honestly, it's stuff you learn in driver's ed! It's just basic logic: "if you passed someone less than half a second ago and they aren't in your rearview mirror, there's a massive chance they're in your blind spot."🤷
Lewis Hamilton went in looking for a fight and ended up getting burned himself... ☕ talk is cheap, I guess... ☕ If he had just left enough space for Mark Webber (and if you aren't sure what that looks like, just watch the replay of how Jenson Button left him space in the corner), he probably would have made it through. Instead, he just made another silly error.
It's a total racing incident... I actually love seeing that the stewards are finally starting to use their eyes properly.👍

Hey. 👍

I am so over Formula 1 and this ridiculous trend where every single little bit of contact between cars results in someone getting slapped with a penalty. It’s honestly exhausting.

mistybear87 said:I wouldn't say that's quite right. The blind spot in Formula 1 is actually much larger than people realize—even someone with Lewis Hamilton's experience couldn't have spotted him there. He really could have left a bit more breathing room, but he didn't. At the end of the day, it was just a racing incident, and that's how it's gotta be. 😉

It isn't really about how large the blind spot actually is—that’s why I mentioned this is just pure logic. If you've just overtaken someone and can't see them anymore, that vehicle is definitely sitting somewhere in your blind spot. It’s one of those things you just have to account for!😁 I can't help but wonder—what would actually happen if his rearview mirrors just snapped right off mid-race? 🤣

But hey, we can all agree that it was just a racing incident...👍

Amanda Kelly said:I wouldn't go that far.
At Monza, Lewis Hamilton was actually trying to make the move. Here, Mark Webber was busy blocking him—playing the rear guard, you know?

If Lewis Hamilton made any mistake, it was probably not leaving an extra half-meter of breathing room. He could have likely squeezed through if he'd given it a bit more space on the right.
In that moment, Mark Webber was sitting right in his blind spot. Lewis Hamilton simply didn't see him and thought the overtake was already done. Then, boom—he gets torpedoed.

Of course, you can expect the little piglet to argue that he didn't brake hard enough.
Honestly, the look on Mark Webber's face in that room where the three of them were sitting before the podium tells the whole story. You can practically feel the frustration radiating off him. Sebastian Vettel is ahead of him (again), having caused a mess—which, let's be honest, probably doesn't bother him much.
Meanwhile, Vettel looks like a happy kid, and Fernando Alonso is just doing his own thing again...

You're really missing out if you aren't watching the post-race interviews on the BBC. Those few shots from the podium room can give you a totally wrong impression. Webber was actually in pretty good spirits, and the matter is closed anyway. Everyone—the commentators, Whitmarsh, Christian Horner, and even the stewards—unanimously called it a "racing incident." Both were at fault; one just got lucky while the other didn't. Case closed.

Are you guys seriously still bickering over Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber?🤣🤣

Jason Campbell70 said:Kamui Kobayashi drove like Takuma Sato during his prime today. 😁

Up until today, Kamui Kobayashi looked like someone who had all of Sato's heart and aggression, just with an actual brain attached... 😁 Nah, today that definitely looked like something out of a Sato race...

So, am I seeing things, or did they actually have Sir Jack Brabham hanging around the Ferrari garage yesterday and today? I mean, sure, he's at the race, and we're heading toward the Australian Grand Prix soon, but what's his deal with Ferrari? It doesn't really add up... 😕 Was that someone who actually looked like him? Or just some lookalike...

stormyviper11 said:Obviously. It’s just that our commentators totally missed the point entirely.

Anyway, just my two cents, but thank God Danny Sullivan was working with the stewards today. He actually understands how street circuits work, so they didn't ruin the race with a bunch of pointless penalties. Though, I’m not so sure Kamikazashi wouldn't have been flagged for shoving Grandpa into the barrier if he hadn't ended up wrecking himself a bit... seemed way too aggressive to me, but hey, they haven't replayed the footage yet...

Look, I can actually see why he made that call. 😉

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87027

Morgan Murphy7 said:To be fair, I have no idea what you're even talking about here.😁

They had a massive 36-second cushion over Gumbek, so they basically had all the luxury in the world to do whatever they wanted.

Maybe just one lap earlier, they could have potentially helped Vettel get ahead of Alonso.

Regardless, the decision to pit Alonso at that specific moment was just plain terrible.🙏

I believe there was a slight inaccuracy in what was reported on CNN regarding that sequence. It was actually confirmed that Red Bull was the first to call Sebastian Vettel into the pits, while the Ferrari employees reacted with incredible speed to notify Alonso—who was ahead of Vettel at the time—to head into the box as well. If you look at the different camera angles from the pit lane, you can see that the Red Bull mechanics had already positioned themselves, only for the Ferrari crew to spring into action almost instantly, maybe five seconds later, as if they had been jolted awake. I suppose one could say that the Ferrari team executed a masterstroke in the pits, effectively preventing Red Bull from seizing the lead. According to some of the Ferrari employees, this was a specific scenario they had been practicing several times throughout the season, though they hadn't quite managed to pull it off during a race until today.

slybison8 said:I believe there was a slight inaccuracy in what was reported on CNN regarding that sequence. It was actually confirmed that Red Bull was the first to call Sebastian Vettel into the pits, while the Ferrari employees reacted with incredible speed to notify Alonso—who was ahead of Vettel at the time—to head into the box as well. If you look at the different camera angles from the pit lane, you can see that the Red Bull mechanics had already positioned themselves, only for the Ferrari crew to spring into action almost instantly, maybe five seconds later, as if they had been jolted awake. I suppose one could say that the Ferrari team executed a masterstroke in the pits, effectively preventing Red Bull from seizing the lead. According to some of the Ferrari employees, this was a specific scenario they had been practicing several times throughout the season, though they hadn't quite managed to pull it off during a race until today.

👍 Just like I thought. It was a brilliant tactical move by Red Bull Racing (doesn't matter if it was Vettel, Christian Horner, or whoever), but Ferrari played the whole thing better. Between that and Vettel's pretty messy exit, Ferrari walked away with the win. 👍

They were equally fast anyway, so there wasn't much else to be done. Sadly, qualifying decided everything. If Vettel had grabbed pole, things probably would have ended the same way, just with Vettel in 1st and Alonso in 2nd.

Honestly, Alonso absolutely earned this win. 👍

slybison8 said:I believe there was a slight inaccuracy in what was reported on CNN regarding that sequence. It was actually confirmed that Red Bull was the first to call Sebastian Vettel into the pits, while the Ferrari employees reacted with incredible speed to notify Alonso—who was ahead of Vettel at the time—to head into the box as well. If you look at the different camera angles from the pit lane, you can see that the Red Bull mechanics had already positioned themselves, only for the Ferrari crew to spring into action almost instantly, maybe five seconds later, as if they had been jolted awake. I suppose one could say that the Ferrari team executed a masterstroke in the pits, effectively preventing Red Bull from seizing the lead. According to some of the Ferrari employees, this was a specific scenario they had been practicing several times throughout the season, though they hadn't quite managed to pull it off during a race until today.

God, how did we get this stupid? 😁🙏

Incompetent Italians copying an even more incompetent Red Bull. 🙏