Training Day (2010)

I'm honestly worried they're gonna totally screw up an awesome first movie...

Richard Wilson4 said:I'm honestly worried they're gonna totally screw up an awesome first movie...

If those early reviews for the sequel are anything to go by... I've got a bad feeling about this.🙂

Carl Bennett4 said:I’m also counting down the days until 😍
Hopefully, it holds up at least somewhat close to the quality of the first one.
And honestly, I don't buy the argument that New Jerusalem is significantly better.
They're both solid films that essentially tell the same story, just through different lenses.

I completely agree 😁 though personally, I find Bad Boys to be slightly better, simply because of the perspective.
Honestly, there are tons of movies out there that show the whole "thing" from the same angle as Holy City. Meaning, through the eyes of people who are "on the other side of the law," or are closely tied to those people, or just live in that environment. In Holy City, we see all of those elements.
However, there are far, far fewer films like Bad Boys that show the police "side of the story" without any idealization, sugarcoating, or the whole "good guys vs. bad guys" cliché.

So... has anyone actually watched the sequel yet??? And naturally—when is it arriving here?

It’s honestly pretty stupid trying to compare a documentary like Bus 174—which is, let's be real, a total masterpiece—to movies like Bad Boys II or CoG. Like, both of those films are objectively solid; the critics loved them, the audiences loved them, and personally? I think they're great. But at the end of the day, who likes what is just a matter of personal taste, isn't it? It's not even a fair fight.

And why is it even considered foolish to draw comparisons when we're talking about the exact same subject matter? Besides, both Bus and Troopu were helmed by the same director—isn't that a point? Does Troopu lack that gritty, pseudo-documentary feel that’s precisely why people gravitate toward it and respect it in the first place?

So, I suppose I'm just being thick for making the comparison? 😳

Bus 174 is basically a straight-up documentary, as far as I can tell—there aren't even any actors in it. Bad Boys is a movie with actual actors, just like CoG, where the whole plot is pure fiction... if the themes feel similar, that’s just because they hired the same crew to make them. It's honestly pretty dumb to try and compare a documentary to a work of fiction.

Wow, it’s truly fascinating how much that Bad Boys fiction deviates from the actual reality of Bus 174. Truly eye-opening.

Honestly, just cover your ears. 😉

And tell me, where else is there a Bus 174 situation with SWAT, constant gunfire, and organized gangs running the streets? Honestly, if you think you're comparing apples to oranges, that’s on you...

Nicole Bailey6 said:Wow, it’s truly fascinating how much that Bad Boys fiction deviates from the actual reality of Bus 174. Truly eye-opening.

Honestly, just cover your ears. 😉

Seriously, man, you have completely lost the plot here. Are you actually blind, or are you just refusing to process what people are even saying to you?

Andrew Flores7 said:And tell me, where else is there a Bus 174 situation with SWAT, constant gunfire, and organized gangs running the streets? Honestly, if you think you're comparing apples to oranges, that’s on you...

There isn't, except for the fact that the exact same Bopa killed him for no reason the moment he stepped off the Bus. We all saw it happen!!! You clearly didn't watch Bus 174, did you? And where are these supposed conversations with actual bandits or homeless kids running through the whole thing, let alone with the cops? Apples and oranges? Please. It’s obvious you haven't even seen the documentary, otherwise you wouldn't be posting such absolute nonsense.
@ neonscout7 You didn't watch the documentary either, did you?

Nicole Bailey6 said:There isn't, except for the fact that the exact same Bopa killed him for no reason the moment he stepped off the Bus. We all saw it happen!!! You clearly didn't watch Bus 174, did you? And where are these supposed conversations with actual bandits or homeless kids running through the whole thing, let alone with the cops? Apples and oranges? Please. It’s obvious you haven't even seen the documentary, otherwise you wouldn't be posting such absolute nonsense.
@ neonscout7 You didn't watch the documentary either, did you?

It looks like we’re just talking past each other and that’s really all there is to it. 😉 Take care!

Look, it isn't even about whether I understand you—it’s about the fact that you clearly don't grasp that Bopa is a direct narrative sequel to Bus, which was a documentary. If you can't wrap your head around that simple connection, then there really isn't any point in us continuing this discussion.

First, you tried to play me for a fool, and now you're retreating behind the excuse of "not understanding." Typical.

It’s impossible; you just don't get it.

Nicole Bailey6 said:There isn't, except for the fact that the exact same Bopa killed him for no reason the moment he stepped off the Bus. We all saw it happen!!! You clearly didn't watch Bus 174, did you? And where are these supposed conversations with actual bandits or homeless kids running through the whole thing, let alone with the cops? Apples and oranges? Please. It’s obvious you haven't even seen the documentary, otherwise you wouldn't be posting such absolute nonsense.
@ neonscout7 You didn't watch the documentary either, did you?

that's not right, looks like you're the one who missed the documentary 🙄 , that idiot who missed him by six inches behind his back when he got off the bus was just spooked because he realized the kid was behind him, then he killed that girl, and later the police killed him in a patrol car/van that isn't shown in the doc... man, just watch it again before you come at me😉

edit: still... in the documentary, the poor kid is just some street urchin, a bandit, a thief, a homeless kid from the streets... in Bad Boys, the plot revolves around SWAT fighting organized gangs (big players, drugs, business) in the slums and dealing with corrupt cops. If you think they're the same thing, good for you.

Was that SWAT or someone else entirely, and did Padhila produce that documentary before or after Bad Boys?
Come on, think about it—the granular details aren't even the point here. Have you actually noticed the connection between Bus 174 and Bad Boys yet? Just give it some thought,

In Bus 174, the whole premise is this gritty, documentary-style look at how untrained the local police force is, alongside the brutal reality facing impoverished kids in the slums. Bad Boys covers essentially the same ground, just presented in a much more stylized, cinematic way.

Andrew Flores7 said:Bus 174 is basically a straight-up documentary, as far as I can tell—there aren't even any actors in it. Bad Boys is a movie with actual actors, just like CoG, where the whole plot is pure fiction... if the themes feel similar, that’s just because they hired the same crew to make them. It's honestly pretty dumb to try and compare a documentary to a work of fiction.

Nicole Bailey6 said:Look, it isn't even about whether I understand you—it’s about the fact that you clearly don't grasp that Bopa is a direct narrative sequel to Bus, which was a documentary. If you can't wrap your head around that simple connection, then there really isn't any point in us continuing this discussion.

First, you tried to play me for a fool, and now you're retreating behind the excuse of "not understanding." Typical.

It’s impossible; you just don't get it.

Honestly, I couldn't care less if it's a sequel or not—nobody else was even bringing that up, but you insisted on being difficult, and that's that.

🙂

Look, just watch at least one of those two movies—otherwise, I’ll be forced to assume you’re even more of an idiot than you already seem to be. 🙂

Fine, you’re still an idiot, but—I suppose—you’re making progress; give it a few years and you might actually reach a semblance of normalcy. Then, perhaps, you can engage in a discussion about films you’ve actually sat through. 😉

@ Andrew Flores7

Padilh first directed Bus, then secured the funding for Bad Boys II. It’s a perfectly logical progression, isn't it? I’m willing to take your word for it that you've seen both films 🙂 But can't you see the connection?

Nicole Bailey6 said:Was that SWAT or someone else entirely, and did Padhila produce that documentary before or after Bad Boys?
Come on, think about it—the granular details aren't even the point here. Have you actually noticed the connection between Bus 174 and Bad Boys yet? Just give it some thought,

In Bus 174, the whole premise is this gritty, documentary-style look at how untrained the local police force is, alongside the brutal reality facing impoverished kids in the slums. Bad Boys covers essentially the same ground, just presented in a much more stylized, cinematic way.

See, when I actually sit back and think, Rambo is basically just a sequel to Rocky... I just can't tell where the fiction ends and reality kicks in... 👍

I mean, obviously, the entire documentary is about SWAT??? And there are maybe a few scattered lines about life on the streets, social issues, poverty 🙄 ...blah, blah, whatever, and that's it for a two-hour doc, and now we're supposed to just say both movies are the same.

The only actual thing those two films share is how incompetent and corrupt the cops are at stopping crime... everything else is night and day.

You're mixing up what regular police are and what SWAT does. 😉

btw, it's all in the details, which you would probably remember if you actually paid attention to the documentary.

The sheer incompetence of their police force is the central theme driving both films—it’s a system where you can essentially become a cop with a license to kill without much training at all, facing virtually zero consequences even if you take out some random homeless guy on the street.
That’s exactly why Padilh ended up recruiting Trop—though I suppose that’s a concept some of you find incredibly difficult to grasp.
The whole point of the documentary is focused right on the police department—which, frankly, seems to elude you just as much as it does the movie itself; if you’re truly confused, go call Padilh and ask him yourself. At this point, I’ve lost any desire to argue with either of you—it’s clear you struggle to digest things even when they are served to you on a silver platter.

My apologies, Andrew Flores7, I clearly overestimated you for a moment there.😉

Let me just lay this out one more time so we’re on the same page... if you honestly think an action flick is the same thing as a documentary, then there's really no point in us even talking. Like, what else am I supposed to explain?

Bus 174 -> The documentary covers the whole incident through various interviews, centering on Sandro do Nascimento—basically looking at his upbringing and how he was pretty much destined to end up a criminal from the start.

Tropa -> Two childhood friends decide to enlist in LAPD. After trying to balance their police work with college classes, they both decide... Two childhood friends decide to enlist in LAPD. After balancing their police work and college, they both make up their minds to audition for a Special Forceswhose mission is to take down the drug-lords that plague the city. Both guys are just trying to stay alive, dealing with the constant grind of domestic pressure while fighting a nameless war on the streets.

Lol, are you seriously telling me you don't see the connection between those two films? Aside from the fact that they share the same director?

Wait, what? 🙂

If you can't see it—and if you aren't even aware that both *Bus 174* and *Tropi* lean heavily into that same theme of a totally incompetent police force (which is really just a metaphor for a broken society)—then I honestly don't know how to help you. 😉

At this point, there's just no point in arguing.