EU, June 25–27, "Miami street Circuit

Amanda Kelly said:I typed this out while our esteemed moderator was busy locking the thread:

You're exaggerating in your portrayal.
Lewis Hamilton would have been sanctioned regardless of whatever Ferrari communication went down; nobody should have had to report it. He was too overweight and the violation was too obvious.
Besides, the penalty is a joke (honestly, more like a reward).

I’ve been reading through this, and the one thing I see—mostly from you McLaren drivers—is just pure hatred and animosity toward Alonso. It's an intense level of intolerance and people actually enjoying seeing him struggle.
There's not enough intelligence or decency here; you're just needlessly trashing your own reputation.
But if that's how it's going to be, fine.

Hold on—where exactly is anyone gloating about Alonso's bad luck? If anything, my last few posts didn't even touch on Alonso; they were focused on the general state of Ferrari—which, in my view, is teetering on the edge of collapse thanks to an anemic Stefano Domenicali.

As for Alonso, yes, he is a phenomenal driver—that's a fact. He certainly has guts—his move to McLaren was a genuinely brave decision, hats off to him—but in my eyes, he's also a bit of a crybaby. That's just how I see it.

Amanda Kelly said:I have to disagree with you there regarding Ferrari's season. Not even a little bit.
What exactly did he mess up at the Miami Grand Prix?
God knows what everyone else is saying behind closed doors, but we never hear it. We just don't know. Of course, with a personality like Alonso's, he’s always going to be the center of the storm. Every single word gets magnified, and half the time, it's twisted just to suit the narrative.

Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing here, nitpicking about Lewis. If the SC had come out five or six seconds earlier—which I’m certain they could have and should have done—right in front of Vettel, this entire debate wouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the results or something else entirely.
Alonso managed to claw his way back into the points twice after starting dead last, even though the car was pretty mediocre. Honestly, I can't find much to complain about—more respect than criticism from me.

Must be nice. 👍

He was crying, and honestly, it made zero sense. I mean, look at how he phrased that sentence... "you" You don't have to do anything else. Just keep the pressure on Charlie.
So that’s the whole game right there. Winning isn't actually the point. Getting a better finishing position? Forget it. The real goal is just screwing over your own teammate. 👎
It’s not even worth debating whether Hamilton is at fault here. But honestly, it’s like Alonso is the only one actually seeing what's happening, and he isn't exactly some saint who needs to hold everyone's hand and explain every single move. We aren't blind, and we aren't stupid.

Regarding the SC, I’m with you 100%. Total idiocy. They should have pulled it out in front of Vettel and everything would've been fine. Massive oversight and a huge screw-up by the organizers.

Amanda Kelly said:I have to disagree with you there regarding Ferrari's season. Not even a little bit.
What exactly did he mess up at the Miami Grand Prix?
God knows what everyone else is saying behind closed doors, but we never hear it. We just don't know. Of course, with a personality like Alonso's, he’s always going to be the center of the storm. Every single word gets magnified, and half the time, it's twisted just to suit the narrative.

Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing here, nitpicking about Lewis. If the SC had come out five or six seconds earlier—which I’m certain they could have and should have done—right in front of Vettel, this entire debate wouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the results or something else entirely.
Alonso managed to claw his way back into the points twice after starting dead last, even though the car was pretty mediocre. Honestly, I can't find much to complain about—more respect than criticism from me.

Must be nice. 👍

Who’s actually to blame for those back-of-the-pack starts? Besides the fact that Ferrari looked like the clear class of the field in Monaco—you could see it from the very first practice sessions, and it definitely showed during the race itself.

When your team hands you one of the fastest cars on the grid, but then everything falls apart due to a total tactical meltdown or just pure driver error—man, that’s rough. It’s painful to watch, and even harder to admit to yourself. I feel your pain. 🙈 I know that damn well. 😳

Hamilton really gave him a taste of his own medicine with that one

"I actually saw a Stake F1 Team car fly past him on the screens trackside," Hamilton taunts. "It’s not exactly common for some Stake F1 Team car to be overtaking him, so he must have been totally checked out in his own little world the whole time. But honestly, I still can't wrap my head around why that messed with his race so much."

hollowgull5 said:Hamilton really gave him a taste of his own medicine with that one

"I actually saw a Stake F1 Team car fly past him on the screens trackside," Hamilton taunts. "It’s not exactly common for some Stake F1 Team car to be overtaking him, so he must have been totally checked out in his own little world the whole time. But honestly, I still can't wrap my head around why that messed with his race so much."

Look, it's obvious Alonso has some beef with Hamilton, and it's clearly eating him alive. I get the feeling he doesn't care about Ferrari, the championship, or even winning races anymore. It's all secondary. His only goal seems to be being better than Hamilton and beating him, even if they both end up finishing 7th and 8th in the standings.

A bruised ego is a nasty thing.

Ever since that wild season at McLaren, he just seems lost to me. He's making mistakes that are totally unlike him—weird lapses, zero focus, and sometimes it feels like he's just lost his drive entirely.🤷

In my mind, Alonso was the kind of guy who could hold anyone off, regardless of what he was driving. Now? People are passing him on track and catching him while he sleeps.😕

Something is seriously wrong here.🤷

stormybadger8 said:Look, it's obvious Alonso has some beef with Hamilton, and it's clearly eating him alive. I get the feeling he doesn't care about Ferrari, the championship, or even winning races anymore. It's all secondary. His only goal seems to be being better than Hamilton and beating him, even if they both end up finishing 7th and 8th in the standings.

A bruised ego is a nasty thing.

Ever since that wild season at McLaren, he just seems lost to me. He's making mistakes that are totally unlike him—weird lapses, zero focus, and sometimes it feels like he's just lost his drive entirely.🤷

In my mind, Alonso was the kind of guy who could hold anyone off, regardless of what he was driving. Now? People are passing him on track and catching him while he sleeps.😕

Something is seriously wrong here.🤷

Ferrari has had plenty of better drivers in the past, yet none of them managed to clinch a title while driving for Ferrari. 😁

stormybadger8 said:Look, it's obvious Alonso has some beef with Hamilton, and it's clearly eating him alive. I get the feeling he doesn't care about Ferrari, the championship, or even winning races anymore. It's all secondary. His only goal seems to be being better than Hamilton and beating him, even if they both end up finishing 7th and 8th in the standings.

A bruised ego is a nasty thing.

Ever since that wild season at McLaren, he just seems lost to me. He's making mistakes that are totally unlike him—weird lapses, zero focus, and sometimes it feels like he's just lost his drive entirely.🤷

In my mind, Alonso was the kind of guy who could hold anyone off, regardless of what he was driving. Now? People are passing him on track and catching him while he sleeps.😕

Something is seriously wrong here.🤷

I disagree; that's the main point.
Let's break this down.
I can accept that things are incredibly tense between him and Lewis and that it's getting under his skin. I assume those are just old scars from their McLaren days.

What you say after that is purely subjective, and while I respect your take, I think that explanation is too simplistic (though not impossible). The real issue goes much deeper.
Why aren't we talking about the points?
Why was Lewis only penalized after driving 15 laps following the incident?
If they were going to penalize him after all that time—during which he used his position and Kamui to build a massive lead—why wasn't the penalty more severe?
Honestly, it's a joke that a guy overtakes the SC and gets rewarded for it. Why wasn't he kicked out of the race?
Before the Miami Grand Prix, Alonso wasn't trailing Lewis by anything crazy. If there had been any justice, that gap should have been closed, not widened. That's the core issue, and Alonso has every right to be pissed off and making noise about it.

One more thing.
That same Lewis had wheel-to-wheel contact with Vettel in the first corner, and it was entirely his fault. Luckily, it didn't turn into anything, but his aggressive forcing and squeezing could have cost Vettel dearly—potentially his win. I'm telling you, he only got lucky.

Two major screw-ups, serious rule violations, and putting others (who happen to be direct competitors) at risk, and what's the result? He's leading the standings. It's a farce, as Powerlock would say.

stormybadger8 said:He was crying, and honestly, it made zero sense. I mean, look at how he phrased that sentence... "you" You don't have to do anything else. Just keep the pressure on Charlie.
So that’s the whole game right there. Winning isn't actually the point. Getting a better finishing position? Forget it. The real goal is just screwing over your own teammate. 👎
It’s not even worth debating whether Hamilton is at fault here. But honestly, it’s like Alonso is the only one actually seeing what's happening, and he isn't exactly some saint who needs to hold everyone's hand and explain every single move. We aren't blind, and we aren't stupid.

Regarding the SC, I’m with you 100%. Total idiocy. They should have pulled it out in front of Vettel and everything would've been fine. Massive oversight and a huge screw-up by the organizers.

Who’s actually to blame for those back-of-the-pack starts? Besides the fact that Ferrari looked like the clear class of the field in Monaco—you could see it from the very first practice sessions, and it definitely showed during the race itself.

When your team hands you one of the fastest cars on the grid, but then everything falls apart due to a total tactical meltdown or just pure driver error—man, that’s rough. It’s painful to watch, and even harder to admit to yourself. I feel your pain. 🙈 I know that damn well. 😳

They're only to blame for Monaco.
As for the tactical mess during those rainy qualifying sessions, that was all on the crew.
Honestly, I have no clue what happened at the Miami Grand Prix where they both hit the pits at the same time, but I doubt it matters much. Maybe the pit wall made that call for some reason known only to them. Don't sweat it; we'll find out eventually.

Give it a rest, Amanda Kelly, if the roles were reversed you'd be singing a totally different tune...

They shouldn't have even handed out a penalty in the first place...
The refs completely trashed the race and honestly there's no point crying about Hamilton now...

Amanda Kelly said:I have to disagree with you there regarding Ferrari's season. Not even a little bit.
What exactly did he mess up at the Miami Grand Prix?
God knows what everyone else is saying behind closed doors, but we never hear it. We just don't know. Of course, with a personality like Alonso's, he’s always going to be the center of the storm. Every single word gets magnified, and half the time, it's twisted just to suit the narrative.

Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing here, nitpicking about Lewis. If the SC had come out five or six seconds earlier—which I’m certain they could have and should have done—right in front of Vettel, this entire debate wouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the results or something else entirely.
Alonso managed to claw his way back into the points twice after starting dead last, even though the car was pretty mediocre. Honestly, I can't find much to complain about—more respect than criticism from me.

Must be nice. 👍

Amanda Kelly, I get how it feels to "blindly" root for someone.
But nobody needs to over-analyze or spin Alonso's statements. He does a perfectly fine job of doing that himself: Alonso is trying to de-escalate things.

Amanda Kelly said:I have to disagree with you there regarding Ferrari's season. Not even a little bit.
What exactly did he mess up at the Miami Grand Prix?
God knows what everyone else is saying behind closed doors, but we never hear it. We just don't know. Of course, with a personality like Alonso's, he’s always going to be the center of the storm. Every single word gets magnified, and half the time, it's twisted just to suit the narrative.

Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing here, nitpicking about Lewis. If the SC had come out five or six seconds earlier—which I’m certain they could have and should have done—right in front of Vettel, this entire debate wouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the results or something else entirely.
Alonso managed to claw his way back into the points twice after starting dead last, even though the car was pretty mediocre. Honestly, I can't find much to complain about—more respect than criticism from me.

Must be nice. 👍

Can we at least agree that race control completely botched the situation with the SC at the European Union Grand Prix? They totally lost their grip...

I'm not defending Hamilton, but I think he took a gamble (either on his own intuition or because the pit wall told him to) and in the end, as unfair as it might seem, he came out on top.

Amanda Kelly said:I have to disagree with you there regarding Ferrari's season. Not even a little bit.
What exactly did he mess up at the Miami Grand Prix?
God knows what everyone else is saying behind closed doors, but we never hear it. We just don't know. Of course, with a personality like Alonso's, he’s always going to be the center of the storm. Every single word gets magnified, and half the time, it's twisted just to suit the narrative.

Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing here, nitpicking about Lewis. If the SC had come out five or six seconds earlier—which I’m certain they could have and should have done—right in front of Vettel, this entire debate wouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the results or something else entirely.
Alonso managed to claw his way back into the points twice after starting dead last, even though the car was pretty mediocre. Honestly, I can't find much to complain about—more respect than criticism from me.

Must be nice. 👍

I mean, when things are going his way, he's the king, the genius, the absolute best, and the car is nothing short of a masterpiece.
But the moment things go south, everyone else is to blame... the rivals on track, the stewards, the regulations, a car setup that just wasn't right for the race, the tires, the timing, Massa, Hamilton, the SC, blah, blah, blah... there's always an excuse ready to go. It reminds me of how Ivica Kostelić used to be a couple of years ago. Everyone was responsible for a bad result except him. But unlike Alonso, Kostelić eventually grew up and started admitting when he was the one at fault for a poor finish.

Amanda Kelly said:I have to disagree with you there regarding Ferrari's season. Not even a little bit.
What exactly did he mess up at the Miami Grand Prix?
God knows what everyone else is saying behind closed doors, but we never hear it. We just don't know. Of course, with a personality like Alonso's, he’s always going to be the center of the storm. Every single word gets magnified, and half the time, it's twisted just to suit the narrative.

Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing here, nitpicking about Lewis. If the SC had come out five or six seconds earlier—which I’m certain they could have and should have done—right in front of Vettel, this entire debate wouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the results or something else entirely.
Alonso managed to claw his way back into the points twice after starting dead last, even though the car was pretty mediocre. Honestly, I can't find much to complain about—more respect than criticism from me.

Must be nice. 👍

If you actually knew how it was! 😍

Jason Campbell70 said:mistybear87, I have to give you a major mark down here. It took you several hours from my first post for you to finally lock this thread. 👎

Jason Campbell70 is not amused. ☕

..............

What can I say about the Miami Grand Prix Circuit... the race was dull (exactly as predicted), but...

First off, I think the most satisfied spectator of the race was Wilma Rudolph.
That Webber's pirouette isn't seen often, and she definitely deserves the highest marks. 🙏

As for everything else, we saw yet another round of controversial officiating, paired this time with catastrophic race management. Unfortunately, that poor management ended up dictating the final results.

Formula 1 seems to have picked up a new trend—we have a driver who repeatedly breaks the rules, yet the penalties handed out are far too light and don't remotely compensate for the unfair advantages gained on track.
I trust you can all figure out which driver I'm talking about.

And since we don't (yet) have the "107% rule", I say we hand out Kalashnikovs to the marshals, and for those more persistent drivers, some Zolje.
Clearly, blue flags aren't doing enough to get the point across. 😁

I'm already (I believe you are too) fed up with Lotus, Virginia, and the local networks.....

Luckily, the bitter taste left in the mouths of all Formula 1 fans should be quickly washed away by the next race at the classic, legendary Silverstone. 🙂

And here I am, betting on the most brilliant post regarding this rather pointless topic...☕

Let's just say Lewis Hamilton gets a massive amount of protection when it comes to officiating.

Does he see anything? Does he know anything? Is following buttons and lights on a steering wheel just too complicated for him? And the stewards just let it slide... give me a break. 🙄

At the same time, it's an undeniable fact that Hamilton is the best thing to happen to Formula 1 in the last five seasons(1), especially from a marketing standpoint.

It isn't exactly in the FIA's interest to penalize their biggest money-maker, is it?

(1) - Of course, the absolute best thing to happen to Formula 1 was actually the return of the king🙏, the messiah🙏, and the sin redeemer🙏 of these nobodies they call Formula 1 champions—someone like the great DJ.

Amanda Kelly can say whatever she wants about Alonso, but he’s the one who screwed himself here.😉
What stopped him from just staying with Hamilton and overtaking the Stake F1 Team? Just watch the replay. He almost got rear-ended by Felipe Massa. He braked because he was probably thinking, "I'll just complain now, Hamilton will take the hit, I'm in a Ferrari, and Ferrari pulls the strings." Well, it didn't work. Can't blame anyone but him.☕

It's not like this hasn't happened before; Hamilton isn't the first or the last guy to pull something like this. But the thing is, Alonso and Massa were right there—literally three meters away—and it's a massive waste that they didn't capitalize. It was the perfect Ferrari strategy:
Alonso overtakes the Stake F1 Team and stays out until the very end of the race.
Massa stays behind the Stake F1 Team and pits.

They could have both won, or at least one of them. Instead, they both walked away empty-handed.

I agree, Hamilton is a complete jerk. Between blaming Sebastian Vettel and whining about how "Vettel hit me,"🙂"🙄", it's exhausting. But the whole situation with the Stake F1 Team is just basic situational awareness. It's not like we're waiting for the FIA's decision; these calls happen all the time even after the race (just look at the rest of the teams). His move actually makes sense, plus he has a decent excuse since Vettel was ahead of the Stake F1 Team.

If Alonso hadn't messed up, Hamilton would have been properly screwed.😉
Hamilton honestly owes him a thank-you note for being such a coward. If Alonso hadn't flinched, the decision wouldn't have been handed down until after the race.🤣
That penalty would have been 25 seconds. I have no clue where Hamilton would have landed in that chaos, but he definitely wouldn't have been second. At best, maybe fifth or sixth.🤣 Besides, who's to say he wouldn't have collided with Vettel again or ended up crashing out with him? Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the smarter play.😉

They might have even stripped him of his win after the race; God knows what kind of penalty he would've faced, but one thing is certain: he would've gotten punished.
It's not even impossible that he would've finished behind Alonso with zero points if Alonso had just stayed quiet.🤣

Sure, what happened at the end wasn't fair or honest. But then again, it wasn't "fair" when Alonso was at Ferrari while Kimi wasn't even in Formula 1. It wasn't "fair" when Jenson Button won the title with that semi-legal Brawn GP outfit. It wasn't "fair" when Michael Schumacher snatched several titles in a massively privileged Ferrari. It wasn't "fair" that Alonso even got back into Formula 1 after that mess at McLaren and the Nelson Piquet wall incident. Nothing is ever truly fair. That's just life. You can't expect everyone to follow the rules and play nice while others get away with being total bastards.

stormybadger8 said:Amanda Kelly can say whatever she wants about Alonso, but he’s the one who screwed himself here.😉
What stopped him from just staying with Hamilton and overtaking the Stake F1 Team? Just watch the replay. He almost got rear-ended by Felipe Massa. He braked because he was probably thinking, "I'll just complain now, Hamilton will take the hit, I'm in a Ferrari, and Ferrari pulls the strings." Well, it didn't work. Can't blame anyone but him.☕

It's not like this hasn't happened before; Hamilton isn't the first or the last guy to pull something like this. But the thing is, Alonso and Massa were right there—literally three meters away—and it's a massive waste that they didn't capitalize. It was the perfect Ferrari strategy:
Alonso overtakes the Stake F1 Team and stays out until the very end of the race.
Massa stays behind the Stake F1 Team and pits.

They could have both won, or at least one of them. Instead, they both walked away empty-handed.

I agree, Hamilton is a complete jerk. Between blaming Sebastian Vettel and whining about how "Vettel hit me,"🙂"🙄", it's exhausting. But the whole situation with the Stake F1 Team is just basic situational awareness. It's not like we're waiting for the FIA's decision; these calls happen all the time even after the race (just look at the rest of the teams). His move actually makes sense, plus he has a decent excuse since Vettel was ahead of the Stake F1 Team.

If Alonso hadn't messed up, Hamilton would have been properly screwed.😉
Hamilton honestly owes him a thank-you note for being such a coward. If Alonso hadn't flinched, the decision wouldn't have been handed down until after the race.🤣
That penalty would have been 25 seconds. I have no clue where Hamilton would have landed in that chaos, but he definitely wouldn't have been second. At best, maybe fifth or sixth.🤣 Besides, who's to say he wouldn't have collided with Vettel again or ended up crashing out with him? Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the smarter play.😉

They might have even stripped him of his win after the race; God knows what kind of penalty he would've faced, but one thing is certain: he would've gotten punished.
It's not even impossible that he would've finished behind Alonso with zero points if Alonso had just stayed quiet.🤣

Sure, what happened at the end wasn't fair or honest. But then again, it wasn't "fair" when Alonso was at Ferrari while Kimi wasn't even in Formula 1. It wasn't "fair" when Jenson Button won the title with that semi-legal Brawn GP outfit. It wasn't "fair" when Michael Schumacher snatched several titles in a massively privileged Ferrari. It wasn't "fair" that Alonso even got back into Formula 1 after that mess at McLaren and the Nelson Piquet wall incident. Nothing is ever truly fair. That's just life. You can't expect everyone to follow the rules and play nice while others get away with being total bastards.

Give me a break!
What are you doing awake this early in the morning? Are you hanging out at the beach or something?
If I have to, I'll grab a crate of Heineken and a few pounds of meat for the grill and head over there just to shut you up! 👍

P.S.
Sadly, I won't be heading out to Philip Jacob for another two weeks...

stormybadger8 said:Amanda Kelly can say whatever she wants about Alonso, but he’s the one who screwed himself here.😉
What stopped him from just staying with Hamilton and overtaking the Stake F1 Team? Just watch the replay. He almost got rear-ended by Felipe Massa. He braked because he was probably thinking, "I'll just complain now, Hamilton will take the hit, I'm in a Ferrari, and Ferrari pulls the strings." Well, it didn't work. Can't blame anyone but him.☕

It's not like this hasn't happened before; Hamilton isn't the first or the last guy to pull something like this. But the thing is, Alonso and Massa were right there—literally three meters away—and it's a massive waste that they didn't capitalize. It was the perfect Ferrari strategy:
Alonso overtakes the Stake F1 Team and stays out until the very end of the race.
Massa stays behind the Stake F1 Team and pits.

They could have both won, or at least one of them. Instead, they both walked away empty-handed.

I agree, Hamilton is a complete jerk. Between blaming Sebastian Vettel and whining about how "Vettel hit me,"🙂"🙄", it's exhausting. But the whole situation with the Stake F1 Team is just basic situational awareness. It's not like we're waiting for the FIA's decision; these calls happen all the time even after the race (just look at the rest of the teams). His move actually makes sense, plus he has a decent excuse since Vettel was ahead of the Stake F1 Team.

If Alonso hadn't messed up, Hamilton would have been properly screwed.😉
Hamilton honestly owes him a thank-you note for being such a coward. If Alonso hadn't flinched, the decision wouldn't have been handed down until after the race.🤣
That penalty would have been 25 seconds. I have no clue where Hamilton would have landed in that chaos, but he definitely wouldn't have been second. At best, maybe fifth or sixth.🤣 Besides, who's to say he wouldn't have collided with Vettel again or ended up crashing out with him? Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the smarter play.😉

They might have even stripped him of his win after the race; God knows what kind of penalty he would've faced, but one thing is certain: he would've gotten punished.
It's not even impossible that he would've finished behind Alonso with zero points if Alonso had just stayed quiet.🤣

Sure, what happened at the end wasn't fair or honest. But then again, it wasn't "fair" when Alonso was at Ferrari while Kimi wasn't even in Formula 1. It wasn't "fair" when Jenson Button won the title with that semi-legal Brawn GP outfit. It wasn't "fair" when Michael Schumacher snatched several titles in a massively privileged Ferrari. It wasn't "fair" that Alonso even got back into Formula 1 after that mess at McLaren and the Nelson Piquet wall incident. Nothing is ever truly fair. That's just life. You can't expect everyone to follow the rules and play nice while others get away with being total bastards.

The guy saw the Safety Car on track and stayed behind it, just like the rules—and common sense—dictate.
Hamilton completely ignored it, and if you ask me, he should have been handed a stop-and-go penalty rather than just a drive-through. ☕
It’s just like when certain drivers have ignored the red lights in the pit lane (including Hamilton) and got absolutely shredded for it... and you can bet your life they won't be doing that again. 😉

stormybadger8 said:Amanda Kelly can say whatever she wants about Alonso, but he’s the one who screwed himself here.😉
What stopped him from just staying with Hamilton and overtaking the Stake F1 Team? Just watch the replay. He almost got rear-ended by Felipe Massa. He braked because he was probably thinking, "I'll just complain now, Hamilton will take the hit, I'm in a Ferrari, and Ferrari pulls the strings." Well, it didn't work. Can't blame anyone but him.☕

It's not like this hasn't happened before; Hamilton isn't the first or the last guy to pull something like this. But the thing is, Alonso and Massa were right there—literally three meters away—and it's a massive waste that they didn't capitalize. It was the perfect Ferrari strategy:
Alonso overtakes the Stake F1 Team and stays out until the very end of the race.
Massa stays behind the Stake F1 Team and pits.

They could have both won, or at least one of them. Instead, they both walked away empty-handed.

I agree, Hamilton is a complete jerk. Between blaming Sebastian Vettel and whining about how "Vettel hit me,"🙂"🙄", it's exhausting. But the whole situation with the Stake F1 Team is just basic situational awareness. It's not like we're waiting for the FIA's decision; these calls happen all the time even after the race (just look at the rest of the teams). His move actually makes sense, plus he has a decent excuse since Vettel was ahead of the Stake F1 Team.

If Alonso hadn't messed up, Hamilton would have been properly screwed.😉
Hamilton honestly owes him a thank-you note for being such a coward. If Alonso hadn't flinched, the decision wouldn't have been handed down until after the race.🤣
That penalty would have been 25 seconds. I have no clue where Hamilton would have landed in that chaos, but he definitely wouldn't have been second. At best, maybe fifth or sixth.🤣 Besides, who's to say he wouldn't have collided with Vettel again or ended up crashing out with him? Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the smarter play.😉

They might have even stripped him of his win after the race; God knows what kind of penalty he would've faced, but one thing is certain: he would've gotten punished.
It's not even impossible that he would've finished behind Alonso with zero points if Alonso had just stayed quiet.🤣

Sure, what happened at the end wasn't fair or honest. But then again, it wasn't "fair" when Alonso was at Ferrari while Kimi wasn't even in Formula 1. It wasn't "fair" when Jenson Button won the title with that semi-legal Brawn GP outfit. It wasn't "fair" when Michael Schumacher snatched several titles in a massively privileged Ferrari. It wasn't "fair" that Alonso even got back into Formula 1 after that mess at McLaren and the Nelson Piquet wall incident. Nothing is ever truly fair. That's just life. You can't expect everyone to follow the rules and play nice while others get away with being total bastards.

Man, thank God this turned into a complete disaster instead of something worse.
Before I give up on the Miami Grand Prix, just tell me one thing:
When some idiot in front of you flies through a red light into a massive intersection (preferably at 2 AM), do you floor it to follow them, or do you hit the brakes?

Amanda Kelly said:Man, thank God this turned into a complete disaster instead of something worse.
Before I give up on the Miami Grand Prix, just tell me one thing:
When some idiot in front of you flies through a red light into a massive intersection (preferably at 2 AM), do you floor it to follow them, or do you hit the brakes?

That really depends on how many beers you've had beforehand, doesn't it?😬 😳

Amanda Kelly said:Man, thank God this turned into a complete disaster instead of something worse.
Before I give up on the Miami Grand Prix, just tell me one thing:
When some idiot in front of you flies through a red light into a massive intersection (preferably at 2 AM), do you floor it to follow them, or do you hit the brakes?

Whenever I see someone driving like a maniac, I just go grab a beer or a coffee—maybe even an ice cream depending on the vibe. Basically, I’m more like Kimi than anything else. 🤣
I wouldn't have a clue what to do if I were acting like Fernando Alonso. 😁

Look, I'm not saying it's okay. Obviously, it isn't. And let's be real, Formula 1 isn't exactly a "fair" sport. Every penalty feels misplaced and never quite hits the mark; that's nothing new.😳

The joke now is just watching big-shot Fernando Alonso complain about it. Look at a few examples:

Current football:
The Americans don't recognize a perfectly good goal— 🙄Sepp Blatter apologizes 🙂 and everyone starts arguing about camera angles and who knows what. Where were all these geniuses when someone else got screwed over? When a "small" team takes the hit? Is this really the first oversight in history that forces Blatter to apologize? How many times has he had to say sorry to piles of wronged teams before?🙄

Formula 1:
Someone intentionally holds back another driver who's lapping the field—the penalty is a joke, the victim gets totally shafted, and the offender goes from 23rd to 24th instead of being punished properly.🙄

Someone makes a crazy move and knocks a driver out of the race—the penalty? Well, forget about those points. They might have had a career-defining drive in some random race that could've landed them a seat at a top-tier team, but instead, they get a measly five-place grid penalty.🙄

Someone overtakes the Stake F1 Team or leaves the pits under red lights, gaining an advantage, and instead of getting penalized, they actually profit by two or three spots—while everyone else just sits there losing time.

What kind of penalty is actually fair? What actually compensates the people who lost out because of someone else's dirty tactics? In Formula 1, almost none.☕
P.S. There have been a few, but they're incredibly rare and usually involve post-race penalties or stripping titles/points. Even then, those situations are so rare, and even if they happen, it's almost never the case that the victim actually ends up better off after the penalty is applied.

If they had actually penalized Lewis—meaning he would have finished behind Alonso—there is no way things would have stayed this way until the end. It feels like the officials basically bailed Alonso out of yet another embarrassment. I mean, he spent more than half the race driving like a retiree right behind Sebastien Buemi, barely even attempting a move.

In this instance, justice was fully served; the superior drivers in the faster cars ended up in the better positions.

redheron12 said:If they had actually penalized Lewis—meaning he would have finished behind Alonso—there is no way things would have stayed this way until the end. It feels like the officials basically bailed Alonso out of yet another embarrassment. I mean, he spent more than half the race driving like a retiree right behind Sebastien Buemi, barely even attempting a move.

In this instance, justice was fully served; the superior drivers in the faster cars ended up in the better positions.

this is hands down the most objective post on this entire F1 forum ever 🙏 🙏🙏

mistybear87 needs to start a "Legendary Forum Posts" thread immediately

this one definitely earns a special spot 😬 🤣

EDIT: and just so we're clear, I actually respect a McLaren driver publicly admitting that Vettel is a better driver than both of their guys 😍

stormybadger8 said:this is hands down the most objective post on this entire F1 forum ever 🙏 🙏🙏

mistybear87 needs to start a "Legendary Forum Posts" thread immediately

this one definitely earns a special spot 😬 🤣

EDIT: and just so we're clear, I actually respect a McLaren driver publicly admitting that Vettel is a better driver than both of their guys 😍

Maybe a thread about "Anthological posts: then vs. now" would actually be a decent topic 👍😬

P.S. That whole bit about the guy bringing the cash would actually make sense if he hadn't been slapped with so many penalties already 🤣🤣

wiredtiger8 said:Give me a break!
What are you doing awake this early in the morning? Are you hanging out at the beach or something?
If I have to, I'll grab a crate of Heineken and a few pounds of meat for the grill and head over there just to shut you up! 👍

P.S.
Sadly, I won't be heading out to Philip Jacob for another two weeks...

I might just go out and catch a shark myself today😁
it'll be one hell of a BBQ🙏

And as for beer, if we're doing this, bring some Becks instead of that Sprite-style soda water they call beer.🤣