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Jonathan Booth5 Jonathan Booth5 Member
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#701 ·
Amanda Kelly said:I disagree; that's the main point.
Let's break this down.
I can accept that things are incredibly tense between him and Lewis and that it's getting under his skin. I assume those are just old scars from their McLaren days.

What you say after that is purely subjective, and while I respect your take, I think that explanation is too simplistic (though not impossible). The real issue goes much deeper.
Why aren't we talking about the points?
Why was Lewis only penalized after driving 15 laps following the incident?
If they were going to penalize him after all that time—during which he used his position and Kamui to build a massive lead—why wasn't the penalty more severe?
Honestly, it's a joke that a guy overtakes the SC and gets rewarded for it. Why wasn't he kicked out of the race?
Before the Miami Grand Prix, Alonso wasn't trailing Lewis by anything crazy. If there had been any justice, that gap should have been closed, not widened. That's the core issue, and Alonso has every right to be pissed off and making noise about it.

One more thing.
That same Lewis had wheel-to-wheel contact with Vettel in the first corner, and it was entirely his fault. Luckily, it didn't turn into anything, but his aggressive forcing and squeezing could have cost Vettel dearly—potentially his win. I'm telling you, he only got lucky.

Two major screw-ups, serious rule violations, and putting others (who happen to be direct competitors) at risk, and what's the result? He's leading the standings. It's a farce, as Powerlock would say.

1. Let's talk about the points then. F. Alonso: USA, bad start, everything goes wrong (everyone's fault); China, jump start, mental lapse; Monaco—3rd FP, let's put it in words, third free practice, hit the barrier, wrecked the car. Mapet could have been leading if not for his own mental lapses.

2. Why was Teflon only penalized with a DT in China six laps later, while the whole world watched thanks to that same Charlie as the guy zoomed past the Red Bulls? Look, there are specific procedures for deciding penalties, but Hamilton's infraction only became a priority for race control after Teflon's outburst and once they were absolutely certain a violation occurred (Charlie had to request the GPS data for car number 2, the SC, and the medical car, then checked the delta times, and to be certain, even requested footage from the FIA's helicopter, all of which had to be handed over to the stewards).

3. I didn't realize that battling for position and clipping wheels in the first corner was considered "dirty." Hamilton was in a position to attack Vettel, miscalculated, and broke his wing. Is that not enough of a penalty? And since we're discussing dirty play, at least he didn't wreck Vettel's car, which is a far cry from Teflon's mess in Australia, where his stunt nearly took out half of Michael Schumacher's car.

4. Teflon is quite simply a Ferrari failure. After nine races, this guy has made more mistakes and messes than Massa did in his entire career. Naturally, the spoiled brat starts blaming everyone except himself—it's in his nature (as it is with most prima donnas)—because at the end of the year, he has to justify a thirty-plus million dollar salary for a double world champion.

5. I never thought I'd admit this, but I truly feel bad that Michael Schumacher's engine blew in Suzuki 2006. Compared to this absolute clown, he's a real man and a friend, and I know exactly what kind of person Schumacher actually is.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#702 ·
redheron12 said:If they had actually penalized Lewis—meaning he would have finished behind Alonso—there is no way things would have stayed this way until the end. It feels like the officials basically bailed Alonso out of yet another embarrassment. I mean, he spent more than half the race driving like a retiree right behind Sebastien Buemi, barely even attempting a move.

In this instance, justice was fully served; the superior drivers in the faster cars ended up in the better positions.

Alright, fine, I'll take the heat.
On that absolute garbage of a track, honestly, only retirees should even be out there. It’s not built for racing.
With a gap of just a few tenths per lap, there's no passing anyone.

But you guys still can't see the forest for the trees. You're still looking at everything backward.
Why is everyone obsessing solely over Alonso?
Weren't the few drivers behind him screwed too? It was only lap 10; the gaps hadn't blown out yet, maybe a second or two between them. For instance, wasn't Massa screwed as well?

Please, stop rubbing it in. It's getting hard for me to hold back my replies.
I guess we've officially closed the book on this topic, haven't we?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#703 ·
Jonathan Booth5 said:1. Let's talk about the points then. F. Alonso: USA, bad start, everything goes wrong (everyone's fault); China, jump start, mental lapse; Monaco—3rd FP, let's put it in words, third free practice, hit the barrier, wrecked the car. Mapet could have been leading if not for his own mental lapses.

2. Why was Teflon only penalized with a DT in China six laps later, while the whole world watched thanks to that same Charlie as the guy zoomed past the Red Bulls? Look, there are specific procedures for deciding penalties, but Hamilton's infraction only became a priority for race control after Teflon's outburst and once they were absolutely certain a violation occurred (Charlie had to request the GPS data for car number 2, the SC, and the medical car, then checked the delta times, and to be certain, even requested footage from the FIA's helicopter, all of which had to be handed over to the stewards).

3. I didn't realize that battling for position and clipping wheels in the first corner was considered "dirty." Hamilton was in a position to attack Vettel, miscalculated, and broke his wing. Is that not enough of a penalty? And since we're discussing dirty play, at least he didn't wreck Vettel's car, which is a far cry from Teflon's mess in Australia, where his stunt nearly took out half of Michael Schumacher's car.

4. Teflon is quite simply a Ferrari failure. After nine races, this guy has made more mistakes and messes than Massa did in his entire career. Naturally, the spoiled brat starts blaming everyone except himself—it's in his nature (as it is with most prima donnas)—because at the end of the year, he has to justify a thirty-plus million dollar salary for a double world champion.

5. I never thought I'd admit this, but I truly feel bad that Michael Schumacher's engine blew in Suzuki 2006. Compared to this absolute clown, he's a real man and a friend, and I know exactly what kind of person Schumacher actually is.

Jonathan Booth5, here are my ratings for your takes:

1. -++
2. ++
3. --
4. +-
5. ++

1. In the USA, did he turn himself, or did some McLaren driver nudge him on the rear right?
3. What you're calling "fighting for position," I call straight-up assault. Vettel made a clean, textbook move ahead on track, but Lewis, refusing to brake or let anyone pass, just hacked across the grass at Turn 1 with his whole car.
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#704 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Alright, fine, I'll take the heat.
On that absolute garbage of a track, honestly, only retirees should even be out there. It’s not built for racing.
With a gap of just a few tenths per lap, there's no passing anyone.

But you guys still can't see the forest for the trees. You're still looking at everything backward.
Why is everyone obsessing solely over Alonso?
Weren't the few drivers behind him screwed too? It was only lap 10; the gaps hadn't blown out yet, maybe a second or two between them. For instance, wasn't Massa screwed as well?

Please, stop rubbing it in. It's getting hard for me to hold back my replies.
I guess we've officially closed the book on this topic, haven't we?

Fine, if we're going to be pedantic, wasn't everyone screwed because the SC missed Vettel? If we're looking at the full scope of things, it should be obvious to everyone that the primary blame lies with the organizers and the FIA.

And honestly, the most frustrating part of this whole saga is how Alonso is fixating on settling scores with Hamilton—all that whining regarding Hamilton's penalty. If Alonso actually cared about justice as much as he pretends to, his first target would be the FIA and their botched deployment of the SC, rather than taking aim at Hamilton.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#705 ·
redheron12 said:Fine, if we're going to be pedantic, wasn't everyone screwed because the SC missed Vettel? If we're looking at the full scope of things, it should be obvious to everyone that the primary blame lies with the organizers and the FIA.

And honestly, the most frustrating part of this whole saga is how Alonso is fixating on settling scores with Hamilton—all that whining regarding Hamilton's penalty. If Alonso actually cared about justice as much as he pretends to, his first target would be the FIA and their botched deployment of the SC, rather than taking aim at Hamilton.

this is facts 🙏 damn, seriously though, Christian Horner and Vettel obviously botched the tactics again, probably due to all the drama surrounding Mark Webber, but Vettel went into the pits way too late. Everyone else had already pitted. For some stupid reason, the same thing happened to Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Felipe Massa. It was like the rest of the field was running a completely different race. I honestly thought Vettel and Hamilton were like 20 spots back by the time they exited the pits.🤣

When I saw Alonso after that, I couldn't believe it. I'm sitting here thinking, who even is this 35 guy?😂

Honestly, I don't even know what to say, but the TV director is just a total idiot. It's like they intentionally left out the most important and interesting details of the entire race from our view. And somehow, we actually missed them. Did the guy filming just decide everything except the actual crucial parts was worth watching?👎

I don't even get how Vettel ended up in first place.😕
Did the SC overtake him on track, or did Vettel just blast past everyone else? I have no clue. Is it even normal procedure for the SC to overtake drivers on the track?😕

They should hit the SC with a DT penalty at the next race.🤣
SC in the pits, everyone in the pits.😂

Call Charlie.🙂
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#706 ·
Jonathan Booth5 said:1. Let's talk about the points then. F. Alonso: USA, bad start, everything goes wrong (everyone's fault); China, jump start, mental lapse; Monaco—3rd FP, let's put it in words, third free practice, hit the barrier, wrecked the car. Mapet could have been leading if not for his own mental lapses.

2. Why was Teflon only penalized with a DT in China six laps later, while the whole world watched thanks to that same Charlie as the guy zoomed past the Red Bulls? Look, there are specific procedures for deciding penalties, but Hamilton's infraction only became a priority for race control after Teflon's outburst and once they were absolutely certain a violation occurred (Charlie had to request the GPS data for car number 2, the SC, and the medical car, then checked the delta times, and to be certain, even requested footage from the FIA's helicopter, all of which had to be handed over to the stewards).

3. I didn't realize that battling for position and clipping wheels in the first corner was considered "dirty." Hamilton was in a position to attack Vettel, miscalculated, and broke his wing. Is that not enough of a penalty? And since we're discussing dirty play, at least he didn't wreck Vettel's car, which is a far cry from Teflon's mess in Australia, where his stunt nearly took out half of Michael Schumacher's car.

4. Teflon is quite simply a Ferrari failure. After nine races, this guy has made more mistakes and messes than Massa did in his entire career. Naturally, the spoiled brat starts blaming everyone except himself—it's in his nature (as it is with most prima donnas)—because at the end of the year, he has to justify a thirty-plus million dollar salary for a double world champion.

5. I never thought I'd admit this, but I truly feel bad that Michael Schumacher's engine blew in Suzuki 2006. Compared to this absolute clown, he's a real man and a friend, and I know exactly what kind of person Schumacher actually is.

Signed, fully agreeing including point 3.👍

The only thing that bugs me is Hamilton whining "Vettel hit me."🙄
Just as much of a crybaby as Alonso. I wonder if he wants McLaren to file a complaint against Charlie too.🤣
Jonathan Booth5 Jonathan Booth5 Member
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#707 ·
Hamilton's race engineer flatly stated on the forum that every driver he ever managed was just a "bunch of prima donnas." Honestly, I tend to believe him. They're all divas, except for Teflon, who actually brings something to the table every single time.
As for the Psychological whining about being hit by Vettel—it’s much easier to say that in English than to go with, "Yeah, I bumped him, but thanks guys, the car was incredible, the whole team has my back, brilliant job as always..." 😁
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#708 ·
stormybadger8 said:Signed, fully agreeing including point 3.👍

The only thing that bugs me is Hamilton whining "Vettel hit me."🙄
Just as much of a crybaby as Alonso. I wonder if he wants McLaren to file a complaint against Charlie too.🤣

I mean, should he have just radioed his pit wall and said, "Hey, I just tagged Vettel"? 😕

To be honest, I'm not even sure who did what to whom here; it looks like a classic racing incident to me.

If I recall correctly, Lewis didn't actually spend any time complaining or moaning about Vettel afterward—he just asked about the front wing status. 🤷

It’s such a shame about the penalty... the end of the race would have been intense. The McLaren pit wall sounded incredibly confident when they told Lewis to save a bit of fuel because he had plenty of time to catch Vettel. 😉
Jonathan Booth5 Jonathan Booth5 Member
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#709 ·
I wonder how many mistakes Lewis Hamilton has made this year compared to the errors from the Red Bull driver? It’s honestly a miracle he’s even managed to stay within striking distance. Is it game over for us?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#710 ·
redheron12 said:Fine, if we're going to be pedantic, wasn't everyone screwed because the SC missed Vettel? If we're looking at the full scope of things, it should be obvious to everyone that the primary blame lies with the organizers and the FIA.

And honestly, the most frustrating part of this whole saga is how Alonso is fixating on settling scores with Hamilton—all that whining regarding Hamilton's penalty. If Alonso actually cared about justice as much as he pretends to, his first target would be the FIA and their botched deployment of the SC, rather than taking aim at Hamilton.

Not everyone, though. Right?

redheron12 said:Fine, if we're going to be pedantic, wasn't everyone screwed because the SC missed Vettel? If we're looking at the full scope of things, it should be obvious to everyone that the primary blame lies with the organizers and the FIA.

And honestly, the most frustrating part of this whole saga is how Alonso is fixating on settling scores with Hamilton—all that whining regarding Hamilton's penalty. If Alonso actually cared about justice as much as he pretends to, his first target would be the FIA and their botched deployment of the SC, rather than taking aim at Hamilton.

Pretty much everyone! I can be annoyed, mad, or even furious with Lewis, but he isn't the one running the race or handing out penalties. I actually want to believe the SC overtaking error was just an honest mistake—just pure clumsiness. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be able to watch this anymore.

redheron12 said:Fine, if we're going to be pedantic, wasn't everyone screwed because the SC missed Vettel? If we're looking at the full scope of things, it should be obvious to everyone that the primary blame lies with the organizers and the FIA.

And honestly, the most frustrating part of this whole saga is how Alonso is fixating on settling scores with Hamilton—all that whining regarding Hamilton's penalty. If Alonso actually cared about justice as much as he pretends to, his first target would be the FIA and their botched deployment of the SC, rather than taking aim at Hamilton.

Look, Lewis is a massive rival for him in the championship. Both in terms of points and raw pace. The gap isn't impossible to close. To me, it's perfectly natural that this situation bugs him. I keep trying to say that's the key here, not some "whining."

When Alonso "whines" about Lewis's penalty, who is he actually talking to? McLaren, Lewis, or the FIA? He's clearly aiming it at whoever handed out the penalty.

Besides, this "statement from Alonso" served up via Ferrari's own channels feels like nothing more than Ferrari trying to play damage control and quiet things down.
There's no fixing it now. What needed to be said has been said, and dragging it out further will only make things worse.
So, let's just move on.
Jonathan Booth5 Jonathan Booth5 Member
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#711 ·
Of course they’re trying to downplay things, especially since Luca di Montezemolo won't stop spouting nonsense about anyone and everything at any given moment, seemingly oblivious to the fact that he represents the head of the most prestigious team in Formula 1. Such remarks inevitably tarnish the entire image of the sport, and frankly, the FIA is growing increasingly tired of their antics. It’s honestly infuriating; Jean Todt must be losing his mind at every single race seeing what they've turned this team into over the last three years.
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#712 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Not everyone, though. Right?

Pretty much everyone! I can be annoyed, mad, or even furious with Lewis, but he isn't the one running the race or handing out penalties. I actually want to believe the SC overtaking error was just an honest mistake—just pure clumsiness. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be able to watch this anymore.

Look, Lewis is a massive rival for him in the championship. Both in terms of points and raw pace. The gap isn't impossible to close. To me, it's perfectly natural that this situation bugs him. I keep trying to say that's the key here, not some "whining."

When Alonso "whines" about Lewis's penalty, who is he actually talking to? McLaren, Lewis, or the FIA? He's clearly aiming it at whoever handed out the penalty.

Besides, this "statement from Alonso" served up via Ferrari's own channels feels like nothing more than Ferrari trying to play damage control and quiet things down.
There's no fixing it now. What needed to be said has been said, and dragging it out further will only make things worse.
So, let's just move on.

How can you say that? Before the SC, Lewis was right behind Sebastian Vettel—then after the SC and that penalty, his chance to fight for P1 just evaporated. How could he not be affected by that?

Amanda Kelly said:Not everyone, though. Right?

Pretty much everyone! I can be annoyed, mad, or even furious with Lewis, but he isn't the one running the race or handing out penalties. I actually want to believe the SC overtaking error was just an honest mistake—just pure clumsiness. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be able to watch this anymore.

Look, Lewis is a massive rival for him in the championship. Both in terms of points and raw pace. The gap isn't impossible to close. To me, it's perfectly natural that this situation bugs him. I keep trying to say that's the key here, not some "whining."

When Alonso "whines" about Lewis's penalty, who is he actually talking to? McLaren, Lewis, or the FIA? He's clearly aiming it at whoever handed out the penalty.

Besides, this "statement from Alonso" served up via Ferrari's own channels feels like nothing more than Ferrari trying to play damage control and quiet things down.
There's no fixing it now. What needed to be said has been said, and dragging it out further will only make things worse.
So, let's just move on.

No, Lewis isn't any more of a threat to him than Vettel, Mark Webber, or Jenson Button 😉

Even if Lewis had been black-flagged today, Button would have scooped up those points—meaning there was absolutely no way for Alonso to benefit from it.🤷
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#713 ·
stormybadger8 said:Signed, fully agreeing including point 3.👍

The only thing that bugs me is Hamilton whining "Vettel hit me."🙄
Just as much of a crybaby as Alonso. I wonder if he wants McLaren to file a complaint against Charlie too.🤣

And can we talk about that start in the USA?
Seriously, who was even in that silver car right behind Alonso? Honestly, doesn't matter.
But here's the real question (since everyone's busy blaming Alonso's mistakes): did that thing spin out on its own, or did someone give him a little nudge?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#714 ·
redheron12 said:How can you say that? Before the SC, Lewis was right behind Sebastian Vettel—then after the SC and that penalty, his chance to fight for P1 just evaporated. How could he not be affected by that?

No, Lewis isn't any more of a threat to him than Vettel, Mark Webber, or Jenson Button 😉

Even if Lewis had been black-flagged today, Button would have scooped up those points—meaning there was absolutely no way for Alonso to benefit from it.🤷

Oh right, does it actually matter if Lewis finishes with 18 more points or 18 fewer? Just a tiny detail.

Here, 🙏 because I just love that level of confidence.
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#715 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Oh right, does it actually matter if Lewis finishes with 18 more points or 18 fewer? Just a tiny detail.

Here, 🙏 because I just love that level of confidence.

In reality, it doesn't matter—the points still go to McLaren, and Alonso's deficit remains exactly the same, so there's no actual gain for Alonso.🤷
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#716 ·
Jonathan Booth5 said:I wonder how many mistakes Lewis Hamilton has made this year compared to the errors from the Red Bull driver? It’s honestly a miracle he’s even managed to stay within striking distance. Is it game over for us?

We are.
I'm getting zero support here. I can't keep dragging this conversation along by myself.

Honestly, it just hit me how lonely I am in this debate. 🤷 Surely I'm not the only one seeing this!?
Rebecca Fox4 Rebecca Fox4 Active MemberOP
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#717 ·
Jonathan Booth5 said:Of course they’re trying to downplay things, especially since Luca di Montezemolo won't stop spouting nonsense about anyone and everything at any given moment, seemingly oblivious to the fact that he represents the head of the most prestigious team in Formula 1. Such remarks inevitably tarnish the entire image of the sport, and frankly, the FIA is growing increasingly tired of their antics. It’s honestly infuriating; Jean Todt must be losing his mind at every single race seeing what they've turned this team into over the last three years.

Think about how much effort Todt, Ross Brawn, and Michael Schumacher put into building this squad, only for these guys to screw it all up in a matter of years. The team is a complete joke; I honestly don't understand how they even allow statements like "You don't need to do anything except call Charles" to be released publicly... they should just keep that embarrassment to themselves. One day the bank fires a driver, the next they bring in someone else, and nobody even knows who's actually running the show anymore......
hollowgull5 hollowgull5 Active Member
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#718 ·
stormybadger8 said:Amanda Kelly can say whatever she wants about Alonso, but he’s the one who screwed himself here.😉
What stopped him from just staying with Hamilton and overtaking the Stake F1 Team? Just watch the replay. He almost got rear-ended by Felipe Massa. He braked because he was probably thinking, "I'll just complain now, Hamilton will take the hit, I'm in a Ferrari, and Ferrari pulls the strings." Well, it didn't work. Can't blame anyone but him.☕

It's not like this hasn't happened before; Hamilton isn't the first or the last guy to pull something like this. But the thing is, Alonso and Massa were right there—literally three meters away—and it's a massive waste that they didn't capitalize. It was the perfect Ferrari strategy:
Alonso overtakes the Stake F1 Team and stays out until the very end of the race.
Massa stays behind the Stake F1 Team and pits.

They could have both won, or at least one of them. Instead, they both walked away empty-handed.

I agree, Hamilton is a complete jerk. Between blaming Sebastian Vettel and whining about how "Vettel hit me,"🙂"🙄", it's exhausting. But the whole situation with the Stake F1 Team is just basic situational awareness. It's not like we're waiting for the FIA's decision; these calls happen all the time even after the race (just look at the rest of the teams). His move actually makes sense, plus he has a decent excuse since Vettel was ahead of the Stake F1 Team.

If Alonso hadn't messed up, Hamilton would have been properly screwed.😉
Hamilton honestly owes him a thank-you note for being such a coward. If Alonso hadn't flinched, the decision wouldn't have been handed down until after the race.🤣
That penalty would have been 25 seconds. I have no clue where Hamilton would have landed in that chaos, but he definitely wouldn't have been second. At best, maybe fifth or sixth.🤣 Besides, who's to say he wouldn't have collided with Vettel again or ended up crashing out with him? Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the smarter play.😉

They might have even stripped him of his win after the race; God knows what kind of penalty he would've faced, but one thing is certain: he would've gotten punished.
It's not even impossible that he would've finished behind Alonso with zero points if Alonso had just stayed quiet.🤣

Sure, what happened at the end wasn't fair or honest. But then again, it wasn't "fair" when Alonso was at Ferrari while Kimi wasn't even in Formula 1. It wasn't "fair" when Jenson Button won the title with that semi-legal Brawn GP outfit. It wasn't "fair" when Michael Schumacher snatched several titles in a massively privileged Ferrari. It wasn't "fair" that Alonso even got back into Formula 1 after that mess at McLaren and the Nelson Piquet wall incident. Nothing is ever truly fair. That's just life. You can't expect everyone to follow the rules and play nice while others get away with being total bastards.

Hold on a second...
I mean, how on earth did he not pull that off... seriously...
So, Hamilton got penalized, right? But honestly, he ended up back exactly where he started in the standings anyway... so what's even the point? It’s like the refs or whoever else was involved didn't actually change a damn thing...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#719 ·
hollowgull5 said:Hold on a second...
I mean, how on earth did he not pull that off... seriously...
So, Hamilton got penalized, right? But honestly, he ended up back exactly where he started in the standings anyway... so what's even the point? It’s like the refs or whoever else was involved didn't actually change a damn thing...

Nope, he didn't get lucky there.🤣
If he and the crew had just kept their mouths shut, Hamilton probably would have finished maybe 2 or 3 seconds behind Vettel. But after the race, the whole team would've been slapped with at least a 25-second penalty—you can't go lower than that, obviously. That puts him in 5th or 6th, if they don't just strip him of all his points entirely. Boom. Case closed.
Hamilton's totally in the red here, while Alonso is grinning like a kid on Christmas.
All this did was do him a favor,
because the penalty is set in stone now. There's no point whining about it anymore.🤣
Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#720 ·
stormybadger8 said:Nope, he didn't get lucky there.🤣
If he and the crew had just kept their mouths shut, Hamilton probably would have finished maybe 2 or 3 seconds behind Vettel. But after the race, the whole team would've been slapped with at least a 25-second penalty—you can't go lower than that, obviously. That puts him in 5th or 6th, if they don't just strip him of all his points entirely. Boom. Case closed.
Hamilton's totally in the red here, while Alonso is grinning like a kid on Christmas.
All this did was do him a favor,
because the penalty is set in stone now. There's no point whining about it anymore.🤣

Oh, absolutely... Charlie Whiting and the gang wouldn't have even noticed if Mark Webber had smashed into a wall unless a piece of the chassis flew right through their window 🙄 😁 , honestly, it's like Alonso has been acting as their talent agent since 2007, though we only found out during the last race.😂

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