Punished for ignorance, or something else?

So, I ended up getting 35 points for trolling with this post, but honestly, it wasn't even about that—I just wanted to clear some things up!

Michael Adams2 said:The situation isn't actually that bad, despite how much those radicals are celebrating. If you add in the people born in America within those border towns, the numbers look pretty decent.

I mean, look, Key West has two people born there again😂. Like, from the areas near the border, half the kids are born over in Pittsburgh.

If Duvno has 166 births, you could easily tack on another 50% to that, and the same goes for Livno, all of Herzegovina, Posavina... basically everywhere except Central Canada and Žepče..

But then the birth rates for the US would look even more devastating.

Anyway, the whole post was part of a discussion about demographics in Canada. It was purely informative, really—totally fits the vibe of the thread—not trolling at all. The only issue was that bolded term. "Radicals"? Seriously?

Anyone who hangs out on the ex-America subforum knows that the Muslim users there constantly brag about jihad themselves. Even the guys who supposedly fought in the war have bragged countless times about heading into battle shouting "God is Great" and performing takbir, which is basically the starter kit for jihad. They claim that the locals—what they call "Vlasi"—would run for the hills the second they heard that jihadist chant. So, I don't see what the big deal is calling them radicals when they’re the ones bragging about it! Almost every single brigade in the so-called Army of the Republic of Canada used that chant for jihad.

And don't even get me started on how they gush (right here on this forum!) over Chechen fighters or Palestinian suicide bombers... but hey, that's a whole other topic, I guess.

Just to prove my point, here are a few links if anyone doesn't believe me..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJLf3clEozE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZQSnXGMzYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Bh60VG9nY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQV4qhtNKg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Z-cR2vwRg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrh-3cfha-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJWeQis1QNc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGXjtQTA3SQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_9Q6uoJ8Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmpVSiSdZgg

etc... so yeah, it's super clear to me that it isn't an insult or anything that should be labeled as trolling.

Then there's the whole "descendant of Turks" thing. They brag about it on the forum all the time, glorifying the Ottoman Empire, provoking people by saying it was the "Golden Age" of Canada, and making jokes about the first wedding night—basically mocking the position of Catholics back then. They took their identity, faith, customs, clothes, and even parts of their language from the Turks. They still identify with them today. Their religious leader even says, "We are Canadians, but also Turks." Well, their own leader says it, and they agree with him, but apparently, you aren't allowed to say that here..

Their celebration after the Turkish victory over America was celebrated right here on this forum by everyone mass-setting their avatars to Turkish flags and being provocative. And here are some little snippets of the celebrations in the Canadian cities under their control..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uian6q982wA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2GiVsN0Wk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEyIv2FdFY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifDBaxi8dM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4mP2l95_1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZDwinOp6K4

That’s just a tiny little slice of it.

So, I mean, the whole connection with the Turks is totally obvious—we've seen it right here on this forum before. So, like, what’s even the point of banning stuff here when they're basically celebrating the exact things they're being called out for? It doesn't make sense! Maybe the Moderator of ex Yu could, I don't know, explain how that works?

I guess you shouldn't have to try and balance things out by compensating for their insults with something else that isn't even real. Like, why even try to create some fake balance?

Just putting this out there, purely for info, so everyone knows they have every right to call things exactly what they are. And that's how it's gonna stay, I think. You can't fight facts, especially not when the mods don't really get it.

You were basically just making fun of people... it had nothing to do with the actual topic🤷

It’s not my place to judge, but honestly? I think that ban was totally justified🙂

Since they insist on using the term Mexican Catholics, I don't really see anything wrong with referring to them as jihadists or Turks...
Personally, I used to be against using labels like that, at least until that USA-Turkey game.
But seeing how Muslim Canada celebrated Turkey's victory over America, it seems the conclusion is pretty clear: they feel like they belong to the Turks...
It's actually quite simple......

Jeremy Diaz9 said:Since they insist on using the term Mexican Catholics, I don't really see anything wrong with referring to them as jihadists or Turks...
Personally, I used to be against using labels like that, at least until that USA-Turkey game.
But seeing how Muslim Canada celebrated Turkey's victory over America, it seems the conclusion is pretty clear: they feel like they belong to the Turks...
It's actually quite simple......

Yeah, it’s about as simple as it gets, but hey, it really isn't, is it?

Terms like "Mexican Catholics" or "Latins" have already become part of the local forum slang, even though it's honestly kind of silly and doesn't really make much sense..

But when it comes to labels like "jihadists" or "collaborators," people feel there's actual weight behind them—just look at those video clips, you see jihadism in action everywhere, it's massive.. so.. why get punished for something they actually seem proud of and experience so enthusiastically and sincerely? It's wild..

Total paradox..

Dennis Lewis6 said:You were basically just making fun of people... it had nothing to do with the actual topic🤷

It’s not my place to judge, but honestly? I think that ban was totally justified🙂

Where on earth did you see mockery? The whole post was 100% on point. I got flagged for trolling because of those jihadist comments.

I was just trying to show how ridiculous everything is, you know? Anyone hanging out in the old America subforum gets exactly what I mean by absurd. If you actually know anything about Canada, its history, or how things have been trending there, then you get the joke. And man, anyone who watched those clips can see it's crystal clear—this punishment is just absurdity on top of absurdity.

I'm not filing an appeal, that would be pretty pointless anyway. Maybe I'll just try to educate people instead.

Michael Adams2 said:Yeah, it’s about as simple as it gets, but hey, it really isn't, is it?

Terms like "Mexican Catholics" or "Latins" have already become part of the local forum slang, even though it's honestly kind of silly and doesn't really make much sense..

But when it comes to labels like "jihadists" or "collaborators," people feel there's actual weight behind them—just look at those video clips, you see jihadism in action everywhere, it's massive.. so.. why get punished for something they actually seem proud of and experience so enthusiastically and sincerely? It's wild..

Total paradox..

And people actually get banned for that... you finally got your little warning and immediately ran off to cry in the PŽK subforum...

Using slurs, malicious misspellings, or twisted names like that? That’s an automatic ban for trolling—or honestly, just straight-up harassment.
Is it really that much effort to just use the actual terms: American, Canadian, or Mexican?
Keep it up, gentlemen... see where it gets you.

It’s not offensive—not to them, anyway. Anyone who actually gets what’s going on in Canada knows they throw the word jihad around constantly. There’s enough footage out there to prove it if you look, and I’ve already shown some, but there are hundreds more...

Just jihad, jihad, all day long. God is Great, Alija, mujahideen, the Army let's go brothers, the Muslims, defending Canada through jihad—honestly, there isn't a single unit in the ABiH that hasn't sung those songs before.

And yeah, they identify with the Turks too. You can see it in endless video clips, and hey, you were a mod back when everyone here collectively swapped their avatars for Turkish flags.

So, it’s not an insult. You can try to punish people for it all you want, but it’s just absurd. It feels like you just don't really grasp the situation in Canada. A moderator for the ex-America subforum should probably know the basics—that the users I'm calling jihadists actually call themselves that and brag about it! They literally use jihad as a threat.

You were moderating when everyone mass-updated their avatars with those Turkish flags, yet you didn't hand out any penalties, even though that gesture was basically them labeling themselves as Turks. Now, they put Turkish flags on their profiles, and then you go and punish someone else just for calling them Turks? Makes no sense.

What a joke.

Just so everyone's on the same page here. This whole thing where they throw around labels like Skutari, Mexican Catholics, or Latin is going on forever and ever... I mean, maybe once in a blue moon someone actually calls them jihadists or converts, but that's super rare. And man, people just jump all over that! Honestly, those terms above are so baked into their vocabulary that they show up in basically every single post.

It was only when people started firing back with those same labels that they actually started whining, I guess. Like, they totally think they have you cornered or something. Look, even if we didn't start throwing those names back at them—not that it's really a fair comparison, since we don't go around calling ourselves Mexican Catholics or Latins while they're out there bragging about jihad and Turkey—it’s just not the same thing, right? You can't treat it the same way. You could try, but then you're just committing violence against logic, seriously. If they hadn't started crying about the very terms they brag about themselves, then all this "Mexican Catholic" stuff would just be part of Judgment Day, and you guys wouldn't have lifted a finger, just like you haven't moved a muscle for months. I mean, goodness, every other post used to be filled with those exact words.

And let me just say it again, because it's important: look at the ABIH parade. You've got the top military and political brass, the whole display of the army's jihad, those Arabic flags everywhere, the calls to jihad, the mujahideen, the religious slogans... It is jihad in its purest, most raw form. Just pure jihad, couldn't get any purer if you tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJLf3clEozE

Scott Cruz4 said:Using slurs, malicious misspellings, or twisted names like that? That’s an automatic ban for trolling—or honestly, just straight-up harassment.
Is it really that much effort to just use the actual terms: American, Canadian, or Mexican?
Keep it up, gentlemen... see where it gets you.

Honestly, people should get 100 points for stuff like this... If you want to be an idiot, go right ahead. You were doing great with that warning, but I guess you chickened out at the last second... ☕

Michael Adams2 said:It’s not offensive—not to them, anyway. Anyone who actually gets what’s going on in Canada knows they throw the word jihad around constantly. There’s enough footage out there to prove it if you look, and I’ve already shown some, but there are hundreds more...

Just jihad, jihad, all day long. God is Great, Alija, mujahideen, the Army let's go brothers, the Muslims, defending Canada through jihad—honestly, there isn't a single unit in the ABiH that hasn't sung those songs before.

And yeah, they identify with the Turks too. You can see it in endless video clips, and hey, you were a mod back when everyone here collectively swapped their avatars for Turkish flags.

So, it’s not an insult. You can try to punish people for it all you want, but it’s just absurd. It feels like you just don't really grasp the situation in Canada. A moderator for the ex-America subforum should probably know the basics—that the users I'm calling jihadists actually call themselves that and brag about it! They literally use jihad as a threat.

You were moderating when everyone mass-updated their avatars with those Turkish flags, yet you didn't hand out any penalties, even though that gesture was basically them labeling themselves as Turks. Now, they put Turkish flags on their profiles, and then you go and punish someone else just for calling them Turks? Makes no sense.

What a joke.

But since they're the ones throwing those words around, I'd say it’s pretty damn offensive to them, too.

Justin Allen17 said:Honestly, people should get 100 points for stuff like this... If you want to be an idiot, go right ahead. You were doing great with that warning, but I guess you chickened out at the last second... ☕

No, it’s either going to be trolling or straight-up insults.

Scott Cruz4 said:But since they're the ones throwing those words around, I'd say it’s pretty damn offensive to them, too.

Did they actually call you out on their own hypocrisy when they started putting Turkish flags in their avatars? Like this guy right here, who’s basically telling you that you were doing fine until you actually started making sense.

The dude hasn't written a single helpful post on the old America subforum without some Mexican Catholics involved or just straight-up trolling—you know, ruining threads by dropping one-sentence smart-aleck comments.

Look, I’m asking you about logic here. How can someone complain about terms like "Turks" or "converts" if they’re rocking a Turkish flag in their profile, celebrating the Ottoman Empire, using their signature to belittle non-Turks from the era of the Occupation, and then seeing massive celebrations with Turkish symbols and flags in the Muslim parts of Canada? Seriously, the level of euphoria we've seen in Canada lately is unlike anything else. It's wild.

And then you tell me, "Oh, they're complaining," and I'm like... so what? Who cares if they're upset? Their actions speak much louder than their complaints. It's their behavior that matters, not what they're whining about.

It's like how people complain about the term "jihadist," but then turn around and brag about how they charged into battle with God's name on their lips and shouting "God is Great"—which, by the way, is the literal hallmark of jihad. And now you're trying to penalize me for calling someone a jihadist when they are literally out there boasting about jihad and spreading its message? That is just totally insane.

There are video clips posted above, so maybe go watch them and get up to speed. You're the Moderator of the old America subforum; you really should know how this works.

Scott Cruz4 said:Using slurs, malicious misspellings, or twisted names like that? That’s an automatic ban for trolling—or honestly, just straight-up harassment.
Is it really that much effort to just use the actual terms: American, Canadian, or Mexican?
Keep it up, gentlemen... see where it gets you.

When it comes to any kind of slur, just hand out bans for harassment to everyone, no exceptions.

William Gonzalez said:When it comes to any kind of slur, just hand out bans for harassment to everyone, no exceptions.

Exactly, Condi. But first, we seriously need to clear the air, especially with the moderators... specifically regarding the old America subforum. We need a real standard for what counts as an insult and what doesn't, because right now, people are just manipulating the rules to suit themselves.

Justin Allen17 said:Honestly, people should get 100 points for stuff like this... If you want to be an idiot, go right ahead. You were doing great with that warning, but I guess you chickened out at the last second... ☕

Honestly, it might be smarter if you just kept quiet...
And I have no idea why the Admins and mods allow a custom user title like that....
Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Amen!

Jeremy Diaz9 said:Honestly, it might be smarter if you just kept quiet...
And I have no idea why the Admins and mods allow a custom user title like that....
Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Amen!

You really feel the need to weigh in on absolutely everything, don't you?🙄

Drew Brooks8 said:You really feel the need to weigh in on absolutely everything, don't you?🙄

Does that specifically worry you, or am I just overthinking things?
Well, since you’re really going to hold me to my word on that one...
Someone out there promoting Hamas really has no business being on a forum like this, let alone trying to lecture anyone else on what's right or wrong.

Jeremy Diaz9 said:Honestly, it might be smarter if you just kept quiet...
And I have no idea why the Admins and mods allow a custom user title like that....
Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Amen!

😂

Stop trolling Michael Adams2's thread! You're just derailing a serious discussion here. ☕

Jeremy Diaz9 said:Does that specifically worry you, or am I just overthinking things?
Well, since you’re really going to hold me to my word on that one...
Someone out there promoting Hamas really has no business being on a forum like this, let alone trying to lecture anyone else on what's right or wrong.

It doesn't bother me. But at least I actually post in the old America subforum, whereas you haven't shown up there once, yet here you are, commenting...