New fan legislation

The evidence from the FBI investigation looks solid enough... I just can't seem to find

Is it possible this is happening while they're actually firing?
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We really need to talk about the Unesic situation too... bringing beer, setting off flares, even shots fired from nowhere... it’s basically the exact same chaos we saw in Chicago yesterday.

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Honestly, what is there even to say about those people?

FREEDOM FOR THE FANS!

The struggle in Indianapolis

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Here is that clip from the FBI investigation, though I am not entirely certain if the link actually works.🤷

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Maybe an interview with some disgusted Brit talking about our law enforcement?

It’s broken.

Kudos to the actions taken; I hope they bear fruit. But let’s be real: this goes way deeper than police-fan relations or some minor scuffles and flares in the stands. Even if they manage to soften these draconian sports fan laws, nothing changes for the better until the political-sporting heavyweights, thieves, and circus acts at the top of the US Soccer Federation and various clubs step down. They are the ones who ruined the league, tanked viewership, and alienated the fans by prioritizing their own bank accounts over everything else—including the big clubs like the Dallas Cowboys or the New York Yankees. In those teams, just like everywhere else, players are basically praying a scout notices them so they can get sold overseas.

The commentator during the game between San Antonio and Miami claimed attendance was great and blamed anyone opposing the project. I love soccer, and I am against these sports fan laws, but any idiot can see that San Antonio and Miami only saw crowds because they climbed the standings. What happens when their results drop and they sink back down? Do you think people will show up then? Bullshit.

If this law actually passes, it means the end of "supporter groups" in America. We have to fight this to the bitter end, and credit to those who are. But even if they ease the law to allow for some normal movement, it won't fix the core issue. The people I'm talking about will still gut American soccer, stadium attendance will remain pathetic, and what's the point? What good is "freedom of movement" if we only have 100 people showing up to an away game in Chicago? People are tired of rigged games, lack of heart, and a boring league driven by the private agendas of these power brokers.

In my opinion, we need to fight these thieves even harder. It should be done through songs, messages, and the internet. In the US, everyone except maybe the 50+ crowd spends all day online; even that group finds out about major news via the web or the next day's papers. Look how much noise the Facebook scandal made recently. Most importantly, all American fans need to unite. We need joint protests and organized actions. Instead of isolated groups making statements that look divided, it would be much more effective if every group acted in unison. That one message from the local ultras was a total miss; it just had the opposite effect.

Another thing: infighting among fans achieves nothing. It only gives them an excuse to enforce these draconian sports fan laws in full. If people have already proven they can stand together in massive movements, then we need to get our act together. I don't mean the rival supporters of the Lakers and Celtics sitting together grabbing beers on a pier, but damn it, if we spend our energy bickering in small groups of 20 or 50, we just hand the media more ammunition to hunt us down.

US Soccer, you assholes, you fucked soccer and the fans right along with it.

Hey, boldtiger7, have you looked into trying to get that rule tossed—you know, the one where they notify the college or high school if someone gets hit with a penalty?

shadowranger522 said:Hey, boldtiger7, have you looked into trying to get that rule tossed—you know, the one where they notify the college or high school if someone gets hit with a penalty?

It’s all laid out right there above. Maybe try reading it a little more closely next time...☕

BTW... come on, Betty Ramos2... you're the legend who can find any photo or video under the sun... drop a link for us...😉

I mean, who knows if there's actually any point to this—if there’s even a 0.01% chance, I suppose we'll be fine.

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shadowranger522 said:Hey, boldtiger7, have you looked into trying to get that rule tossed—you know, the one where they notify the college or high school if someone gets hit with a penalty?

Building on that... I really think we need to get in touch with the Children's Ombudsman immediately. We have to lay out this specific part of the proposal to them. It is absolutely illegal to leak a minor's data to the public even after a conviction, let alone having authorities call up schools and alert principals about the POTENTIAL liability of some kid who’s only 15 or 16 years old... it's just wrong.

I am practically certain her office would take a stand against this clause in the proposed legislation. If we win this one little battle, it could provide the foundation for winning all the others...

Honestly, why wouldn't you take this past the Supreme Court straight to the European Court of Human Rights? It's an option available to everyone in the Council of Europe, including Americans.
The US has been sued there multiple times, specifically regarding excessive judicial delays, and lost every single time. Personally, I don't see how your lawsuit survives the Supreme Court; they’ll either drag their feet indefinitely or dismiss it on some flimsy technicality. The key isn't giving up—it's taking the fight straight to Europe.

I don't get why everyone is pushing back against a total fan boycott. If we all stay away, stadiums will be empty, just a few hundred people scattered about. It’ll be eerie and silent, and honestly, that silence will finally force the rot within American football out into the light... people might actually start asking questions and seeing things for what they really are. If we pull this stunt through the whole spring, that's enough to make an impact...

Fighting this in court is fine, but the real question is: can we actually keep our cool and avoid causing any trouble whatsoever? While the legal battle plays out, we can't afford even one single incident—no flares on the pitch, no fighting among ourselves... nothing. Just peace and quiet. But can we honestly guarantee that every single individual won't act out? We can't. And that's the trap: everything will be used against us. We'll end up digging our own grave by looking like we're saying, "Please loosen the fan legislation, even though we're busy causing chaos." It's a massive risk...

Plus, let's be real, this entire legal process is going to drag on forever. We could endure repression for the next five years and still see absolutely nothing change...

Regardless, I'm glad something concrete is finally happening!

shadowranger522 said:Hey, boldtiger7, have you looked into trying to get that rule tossed—you know, the one where they notify the college or high school if someone gets hit with a penalty?

Sure, I'll use that article to show you exactly how we handled things:

Their proposal:
Article 36.
Under this specific fan legislation, if the police determine that a minor has broken the rules, they are required to notify the kid's parents or guardians. They also have to loop in the local social services department and the student's school. If we're talking about college students, the notification goes straight to their university instead.

Here is our proposal:
Article 36.
Under this law, if the police deal with minors who have been legally found to be acting unlawfully, they are required to notify their parents or guardians, along with the local child protective services agency.

I mean, what kind of "assessment" are we even talking about here? What on earth is the logic behind letting some random guy with a high school diploma working construction decide whether or not a student's school needs to be notified? If a court has already handed down a final, legally binding verdict, then fine—go ahead and notify the parents and Child Protective Services. But dragging schools and universities into it? That’s just unnecessary. Besides, let's be real: you don't exactly see a ton of minors enrolled in college anyway. This whole thing is just plain stupid.

Article 32, section 3 is the absolute kicker.
-Protective measures from section 1 can be imposed even without a formal conviction...

I mean, seriously, WTF? Who’s actually pulling the trigger on these "protective measures"? Is it the courts? The police? Or am I reading this right... the court lacks actual evidence, but since the cops hauled you in, you're obviously guilty, right? We can't prove it, so let's just slap you with a protective measure anyway...
Assuming I haven't completely missed the point here...

Honestly, thank God I’m finally finishing up my degree, because if I wasn't, who on earth would they even bother to notify under this insane 😂? And don't even get me started on my folks at home—they act like I've completely lost my mind just because I show up to games, while all those other people who spend every single day fighting and causing chaos are treated like they're perfectly fine 👍. It’s about time someone from the big city actually said something smart and deserved some credit for once! It is seriously messed up that we get treated like total trash just because we love our club, and I’m dying to know what our dear Margaret would have had to say about that whole tragedy where Sao Paulo fans were murdered a while back 👎

Those two punks look like straight-up hardened criminals to me😍, while those poor little families—man, nobody ever touches the Krögs because they all come from those "old money" families where being a saint is part of the brand, right?🤣Sometimes I really wonder why we're such idiots for letting everything slide, and honestly, I’m starting to side with people calling for a total boycott, even if it means losing out on whatever scraps are left over. Peace out.

stormyseal9 said:Honestly, thank God I’m finally finishing up my degree, because if I wasn't, who on earth would they even bother to notify under this insane 😂? And don't even get me started on my folks at home—they act like I've completely lost my mind just because I show up to games, while all those other people who spend every single day fighting and causing chaos are treated like they're perfectly fine 👍. It’s about time someone from the big city actually said something smart and deserved some credit for once! It is seriously messed up that we get treated like total trash just because we love our club, and I’m dying to know what our dear Margaret would have had to say about that whole tragedy where Sao Paulo fans were murdered a while back 👎

That’s just how all these groups operate. Our older crowd here in Washington, D.C. stays a bit more active than others simply because of where we're located. Plus, we actually have a lawyer on our side who's genuinely putting in the work to help us out. 🙏🙏🙏

found this little clip—just a glimpse of what our future might actually look like B-)

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analogmaker14 said:Honestly, why wouldn't you take this past the Supreme Court straight to the European Court of Human Rights? It's an option available to everyone in the Council of Europe, including Americans.
The US has been sued there multiple times, specifically regarding excessive judicial delays, and lost every single time. Personally, I don't see how your lawsuit survives the Supreme Court; they’ll either drag their feet indefinitely or dismiss it on some flimsy technicality. The key isn't giving up—it's taking the fight straight to Europe.

A lawsuit won't fly at the Supreme Court because it's not in the interest of criminals for it to succeed. That's why it's better to go to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg and sue the US. In my opinion, there are much better chances for success there. After all, isn't that the last option we have left?