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rapidbison30 rapidbison30 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2007
#81 ·
Anonymous said:That’s just how all these groups operate. Our older crowd here in Washington, D.C. stays a bit more active than others simply because of where we're located. Plus, we actually have a lawyer on our side who's genuinely putting in the work to help us out. 🙏🙏🙏

I honestly feel like it’s high time the entire scene banded together. Shouldn't we be fighting for our rights as one united front? Every single person within their own group needs to focus on this—it really should be the top priority right now. I have so much respect for you all, and I'm truly grateful for everything you've done for the American fan scene so far.
Betty Ramos2 Betty Ramos2 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2007
#82 ·
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7...r3xouf7.th.jpgI can't see the image you're trying to share—looks like the link might be broken or just didn't load properly. If there was some specific point or argument in that picture you wanted me to weigh in on, feel free to drop the context here. I'm ready when you are.http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9...r8gjhr1.th.jpg
boldtiger7 boldtiger7 Active Member
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#83 ·
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shadowranger522 shadowranger522 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2008
#84 ·
Anonymous said:Sure, I'll use that article to show you exactly how we handled things:

Their proposal:
Article 36.
Under this specific fan legislation, if the police determine that a minor has broken the rules, they are required to notify the kid's parents or guardians. They also have to loop in the local social services department and the student's school. If we're talking about college students, the notification goes straight to their university instead.


Here is our proposal:
Article 36.
Under this law, if the police deal with minors who have been legally found to be acting unlawfully, they are required to notify their parents or guardians, along with the local child protective services agency.


I mean, what kind of "assessment" are we even talking about here? What on earth is the logic behind letting some random guy with a high school diploma working construction decide whether or not a student's school needs to be notified? If a court has already handed down a final, legally binding verdict, then fine—go ahead and notify the parents and Child Protective Services. But dragging schools and universities into it? That’s just unnecessary. Besides, let's be real: you don't exactly see a ton of minors enrolled in college anyway. This whole thing is just plain stupid.

I don't think this is talking about minors who happen to be studying... that's not how it's written... the first part of the article applies to minors... the second part is for college students...

which is totally out of place and I just don't see what kind of impact this could possibly have... laws—or any legal provisions, really—are supposed to serve a purpose... and I don't see any purpose here other than just plain old discrimination...

Are we really notifying colleges about convicted dealers, pedophiles, or rapists? Is that even allowed given human rights protections and the Constitution?

I wouldn't say so...
darkstag4 darkstag4 Newcomer
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#85 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GDr2__vXI

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Dana Morris3 Dana Morris3 Newcomer
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#86 ·
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
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#87 ·
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lonewolf2 lonewolf2 Member
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joined Jun 2017
#88 ·
It’s honestly hilarious how every single thread you guys start eventually devolves into some "a.c.a.b." rant... Like, seriously, do you guys actually run out of things to say after five minutes? ☕
Terry Lee3 Terry Lee3 Member
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joined Jun 2007
#89 ·
lonewolf2 said:It’s honestly hilarious how every single thread you guys start eventually devolves into some "a.c.a.b." rant... Like, seriously, do you guys actually run out of things to say after five minutes? ☕

Look at you go, genius...☕
lonewolf2 lonewolf2 Member
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joined Jun 2017
#90 ·
Terry Lee3 said:Look at you go, genius...☕

So, what's your take on this mess? ☕
Terry Lee3 Terry Lee3 Member
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joined Jun 2007
#91 ·
lonewolf2 said:So, what's your take on this mess? ☕

Man, what a mess... I’m totally with you on this one. They just keep recycling the same tired, predictable tropes over and over. But hey, let's not kill the vibe and give them a reason to whine—especially that soulcrew group...🤣 🤣 😁
Noah Booth3 Noah Booth3 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2008
#92 ·
Look, I know our proposed fan legislation inside and out, and honestly? I’m worried that if we settle for just a 30% compromise, we're going to be celebrating way too early!
Right now, I am dead set against all this talk about protests, backyard BBQs, and whatever other nonsense people are suggesting... it's just not it.
The only real move here is a legal fight—we take it straight to the Supreme Court first, and if that fails, then we head to the European Court of Human Rights.
The entire scene has to get its act together and unite on this, because if we stay divided, we don't stand a chance.
I'm talking everyone—from the small local groups all the way up to the hardcore supporters of the Los Angeles Dodgers and the New York Yankees!
Every single suggestion needs to be weighed carefully...
Boycotts and street protests have to be our absolute last resort!
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#93 ·
Doesn't strictly follow what Spitka said about this thread, but I don't have much else. Here's how things used to look back when it was actually good👍 (-only downside is the sponsored ad in the clip)👍 might be useful for something🤷

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qn1UgwH1h_0
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#94 ·
Noah Booth3 said:Look, I know our proposed fan legislation inside and out, and honestly? I’m worried that if we settle for just a 30% compromise, we're going to be celebrating way too early!
Right now, I am dead set against all this talk about protests, backyard BBQs, and whatever other nonsense people are suggesting... it's just not it.
The only real move here is a legal fight—we take it straight to the Supreme Court first, and if that fails, then we head to the European Court of Human Rights.
The entire scene has to get its act together and unite on this, because if we stay divided, we don't stand a chance.
I'm talking everyone—from the small local groups all the way up to the hardcore supporters of the Los Angeles Dodgers and the New York Yankees!
Every single suggestion needs to be weighed carefully...
Boycotts and street protests have to be our absolute last resort!

Agreed. One has to wonder how much impact or what kind of results a boycott would actually yield..
Henry Baker Henry Baker Member
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joined Nov 2010
#95 ·
Read more carefully, people. This footage from Indianapolis has been posted three times now.

As for the boycott, that’s exactly what they want—to push us out of the stadium entirely.🙂
Nicole Jackson3 Nicole Jackson3 Active Member
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#96 ·
Henry Baker said:Read more carefully, people. This footage from Indianapolis has been posted three times now.

As for the boycott, that’s exactly what they want—to push us out of the stadium entirely.🙂

Exactly...

So, what now? We’re looking at five years of fighting this through various courts, only to end up with half the charges stuck to us, all while facing bans and draconian fines or even jail time... Man, if only the court could wrap this up in six months, but we all know that's just not happening!

What if fans just boycotted the stadiums entirely?

The games would be played in front of half the crowds, in stadiums where you could actually hear the ball being struck and players shouting at each other. All the grit and raw reality of the sport would finally come to light, which would completely debunk the idea that "hooligans" are the root of all evil. The whole "Loving Football" initiative would fall apart because, let's face it, nobody wants to watch empty, sterile matches like that. Eventually, the US Soccer Federation and the higher-ups would have to wake up and realize they can't survive without the fans—their entire business model depends on them. I’d bet anything that even the clubs would stage a revolt. I'm thinking specifically about teams like the Los Angeles Dodgers or San Francisco, though I doubt anyone from the New York Yankees would ever step out of line...

I'm not sure... I'd love to hear from someone who actually knows their stuff. Why not just boycott instead? What kind of fallout would that actually cause?
Henry Baker Henry Baker Member
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joined Nov 2010
#97 ·
Look, the goal of this new fan legislation is to clear hooligans out of the stadiums. Unfortunately, people who don't understand our culture equate "hooligans" with entire supporter groups. The average person, who has zero connection to the terrace scene, is definitely against us. They only know us through the media, which broadcasts the same negative image we all know too well. But that’s just the reality; fans are labeled the "main" problem to distract from the current state of the country. Just look at how much coverage there was regarding the chaos in Udine, while they barely mentioned the fan protests in Warsaw—which were actually quite commendable.
Simply being pushed off the stands would be a defeat. It is better to fight from the terraces with messages and unity between different groups. That is what we need right now: for all groups to unite, even if only briefly. Because if things continue this way, nobody will be able to unite ever again.😢
rustyridge46 rustyridge46 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2008
#98 ·
Next to every photo where you claim the cops are "abusing" fans, throw in a picture of those same fans tearing up the streets of Chicago or something. 😂 You guys are being totally hypocritical. And honestly, all this noise from the protesters isn't going to matter anyway. They aren't changing a thing... 🙂
Nicole Jackson3 Nicole Jackson3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2023
#99 ·
Henry Baker said:Look, the goal of this new fan legislation is to clear hooligans out of the stadiums. Unfortunately, people who don't understand our culture equate "hooligans" with entire supporter groups. The average person, who has zero connection to the terrace scene, is definitely against us. They only know us through the media, which broadcasts the same negative image we all know too well. But that’s just the reality; fans are labeled the "main" problem to distract from the current state of the country. Just look at how much coverage there was regarding the chaos in Udine, while they barely mentioned the fan protests in Warsaw—which were actually quite commendable.
Simply being pushed off the stands would be a defeat. It is better to fight from the terraces with messages and unity between different groups. That is what we need right now: for all groups to unite, even if only briefly. Because if things continue this way, nobody will be able to unite ever again.😢

And what is a message actually going to achieve? We've had plenty of "messages" before, and nothing changed... Besides, the police will make sure any "intense" messaging gets shut down at the gates anyway..

Why would leaving the stands be considered a defeat when it could actually change the situation in the long run? This way, we get a temporary win, but in the long term, we'll vanish entirely (bans, jail time)...
Henry Baker Henry Baker Member
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joined Nov 2010
#100 ·
casualRI said:Why is leaving the stands considered a defeat? If we step away now, we could actually change the status quo long-term. Right now, we’re just winning temporary battles while facing permanent losses like bans and jail time.

How exactly does vacating the stands change anything?

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