Proposal to abolish PDF PŽK

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Let's look at this situation.

An attack on a subforum should really be an attack on the moderator. But that shouldn't be the case here. hollowtrucker77 is actually one of the best mods we have on this site, even if I didn't think so when he first showed up. I guess I just didn't give him a full hundred days to prove himself, but man, he’s actually surprised me.
Secondly, the fact is that some weird hierarchy has taken over the forum lately; things have gotten way more heavy-handed (someone like the Administrator or whatever).
Thirdly, people are constantly complaining on the FBI section, and it’s become this standard routine where every single complaint gets brushed off as some "unserious attempt" to overthrow the mod—attempts that never work anyway, and almost none of these complaints ever lead to anything positive. Just a heads-up: hollowtrucker77 really tries to separate the wheat from the chaff, but he isn't getting any support from the higher-ups. His job is to moderate serious complaints, not to act as the final judge in them. And that’s what he does—he keeps the thread open, cleans out the spam and the parasites, but nobody from the people who are *supposed* to respond to the complaint shows up, so there's just silence for days.
Then, the people starting these threads lose their minds because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them—which, let's be honest, is true 😁—so they start going absolutely nuclear in every language possible. Then come the warnings, the points, the bans, and it turns out the user actually deserved the ban in the first place.

Fourthly, once, an admin called my constructive argument "acting like someone's lawyer" just because I was defending a certain right, and then she shut the whole thread down. I sent her a private message asking for an apology since I didn't consider myself anyone's lawyer. She didn't reply. And when I actually complimented her, saying it was nice to finally have an admin who actually responds to DMs, she shot back that she had better things to do than answer a PM where I was being all dramatic about wanting an apology. This tells you everything you need to know: this esteemed admin has much more important things to do than deal with your nonsense. She has the power, she uses it, and she never questions her own calls because, frankly, we aren't worth her time to sit and rethink things.

So, I've confirmed my suspicions, and I'll tell you guys again, though I've said it plenty of times already.
Reddit is privately owned and, honestly, it’s technically maintained pretty poorly. Since it’s private property, the owner can basically do whatever they want. Because of that, users don't have much ground to stand on when complaining about moderators and how they behave, because every single one of them was chosen by the owner to represent his interests and protect his property. When you look at it that way, every complaint is just a waste of breath.

So, that’s how it stands. Next time you feel the urge to complain, just remember that the moderators are working for free (well, maybe not for free—I actually started a thread about that on the psychology board once) and remember that the forum hasn't been running well for years. Seriously, call up any hosting service and ask what it would cost to host a forum like this. You’ll quickly realize the owner couldn't care less about the site, and if he doesn't care about the site, he doesn't care about the users. And if he doesn't care about the users, then the moderators are just his extended arm—they get the same "don't care" impulse from him, and so they don't care about you either. It always stinks from the top down.

You can choose to accept this reality, stay true to yourself, and be who you are despite it all. Or, you can spend hours here arguing in a losing battle. Because at the end of the day, this is a private forum...

You guys are just numbers. You are nothing more than unique clicks that the owner displays to advertisers. The only thing that makes you "unique" is the statistic: "we have x0,000 unique clicks every day." When you stop clicking, someone else will take your place. And that other person won't be any different from you, even if you're clicking based on some deep philosophy about topics that need to radically change the world, while that other guy is just some random teenager opening threads like: "I've never done it..."
And both you and he are just tiny clicks, one of thousands of others that make up the "strength" of this forum.

That’s why we shouldn't abolish the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It channels the dissatisfied people so they can be ignored. That is its function. Its job isn't to resolve a potential complaint. Maybe we should just rename it: "Wishes and Futile Complaints." Description: Complain all you want, and get banned...

See, I didn't realize that part was in bold.
I thought hollowtrucker77 was a super-moderator, meaning he was ranked above the "regular" mods, and that because he runs this specific thread, he had the authority to rule on appeals.

So, that's not how it works?

(Can someone just confirm that's not the case? It could be hollowtrucker77 himself, doesn't matter.)

One more thing—an appeal isn't an attack. You could argue it's more like criticism than an assault. It's just that people have this habit of treating any bit of criticism like a personal attack.

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Let's look at this situation.

An attack on a subforum should really be an attack on the moderator. But that shouldn't be the case here. hollowtrucker77 is actually one of the best mods we have on this site, even if I didn't think so when he first showed up. I guess I just didn't give him a full hundred days to prove himself, but man, he’s actually surprised me.
Secondly, the fact is that some weird hierarchy has taken over the forum lately; things have gotten way more heavy-handed (someone like the Administrator or whatever).
Thirdly, people are constantly complaining on the FBI section, and it’s become this standard routine where every single complaint gets brushed off as some "unserious attempt" to overthrow the mod—attempts that never work anyway, and almost none of these complaints ever lead to anything positive. Just a heads-up: hollowtrucker77 really tries to separate the wheat from the chaff, but he isn't getting any support from the higher-ups. His job is to moderate serious complaints, not to act as the final judge in them. And that’s what he does—he keeps the thread open, cleans out the spam and the parasites, but nobody from the people who are *supposed* to respond to the complaint shows up, so there's just silence for days.
Then, the people starting these threads lose their minds because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them—which, let's be honest, is true 😁—so they start going absolutely nuclear in every language possible. Then come the warnings, the points, the bans, and it turns out the user actually deserved the ban in the first place.

Fourthly, once, an admin called my constructive argument "acting like someone's lawyer" just because I was defending a certain right, and then she shut the whole thread down. I sent her a private message asking for an apology since I didn't consider myself anyone's lawyer. She didn't reply. And when I actually complimented her, saying it was nice to finally have an admin who actually responds to DMs, she shot back that she had better things to do than answer a PM where I was being all dramatic about wanting an apology. This tells you everything you need to know: this esteemed admin has much more important things to do than deal with your nonsense. She has the power, she uses it, and she never questions her own calls because, frankly, we aren't worth her time to sit and rethink things.

So, I've confirmed my suspicions, and I'll tell you guys again, though I've said it plenty of times already.
Reddit is privately owned and, honestly, it’s technically maintained pretty poorly. Since it’s private property, the owner can basically do whatever they want. Because of that, users don't have much ground to stand on when complaining about moderators and how they behave, because every single one of them was chosen by the owner to represent his interests and protect his property. When you look at it that way, every complaint is just a waste of breath.

So, that’s how it stands. Next time you feel the urge to complain, just remember that the moderators are working for free (well, maybe not for free—I actually started a thread about that on the psychology board once) and remember that the forum hasn't been running well for years. Seriously, call up any hosting service and ask what it would cost to host a forum like this. You’ll quickly realize the owner couldn't care less about the site, and if he doesn't care about the site, he doesn't care about the users. And if he doesn't care about the users, then the moderators are just his extended arm—they get the same "don't care" impulse from him, and so they don't care about you either. It always stinks from the top down.

You can choose to accept this reality, stay true to yourself, and be who you are despite it all. Or, you can spend hours here arguing in a losing battle. Because at the end of the day, this is a private forum...

You guys are just numbers. You are nothing more than unique clicks that the owner displays to advertisers. The only thing that makes you "unique" is the statistic: "we have x0,000 unique clicks every day." When you stop clicking, someone else will take your place. And that other person won't be any different from you, even if you're clicking based on some deep philosophy about topics that need to radically change the world, while that other guy is just some random teenager opening threads like: "I've never done it..."
And both you and he are just tiny clicks, one of thousands of others that make up the "strength" of this forum.

That’s why we shouldn't abolish the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It channels the dissatisfied people so they can be ignored. That is its function. Its job isn't to resolve a potential complaint. Maybe we should just rename it: "Wishes and Futile Complaints." Description: Complain all you want, and get banned...

Got it, but that actually supports my suggestion.

And that’s why we shouldn't scrap the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It funnels all the dissatisfied users into one place so the mods can deal with them. That's its function. Its job isn't to resolve an actual appeal. Maybe we should just rename it: Wishes and Futile Complaints. Description: Complain all you want and get banned..

I agree with everything, especially the bolded part.
But renaming the thread definitely means getting rid of it in its current form.
So, it all still points back to my original proposal.

darkseal15 said:See, I didn't realize that part was in bold.
I thought hollowtrucker77 was a super-moderator, meaning he was ranked above the "regular" mods, and that because he runs this specific thread, he had the authority to rule on appeals.

So, that's not how it works?

(Can someone just confirm that's not the case? It could be hollowtrucker77 himself, doesn't matter.)

One more thing—an appeal isn't an attack. You could argue it's more like criticism than an assault. It's just that people have this habit of treating any bit of criticism like a personal attack.

Got it, but that actually supports my suggestion.

And that’s why we shouldn't scrap the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It funnels all the dissatisfied users into one place so the mods can deal with them. That's its function. Its job isn't to resolve an actual appeal. Maybe we should just rename it: Wishes and Futile Complaints. Description: Complain all you want and get banned..

I agree with everything, especially the bolded part.
But renaming the thread definitely means getting rid of it in its current form.
So, it all still points back to my original proposal.

Let's try to make sense of the hierarchy here...
From what I gather, supermoderators aren't actually above the moderators—like, they aren't their bosses. They were basically brought in with one extra perk: if a specific sub-forum is flying solo without a moderator present and things start going off the rails, no other regular mod can step in to fix it because it's technically not their territory, according to the rules. If the admin isn't online and the supermod is the only one with global permissions, then chaos is basically inevitable.
Now, the superadmin does have the right to moderate the entire site, but they aren't the moderator's boss either; they can't just discipline a mod or tell them how to do their job.
That setup solves the chaos problem, though, because it increases the odds that at least one mod, an admin, or a supermod will be online when things get messy.
But usually, supermods stay out of it because they don't want to step on their colleagues' toes, so that rule is really just for emergencies...

One more thing—an appeal isn't an attack. You could probably view it more as criticism rather than a personal strike. It's just that people tend to mistake criticism for a personal attack.

Anytime you call someone out for not doing their job well, they're going to take it personally. I get your point, but expecting people to actually practice self-reflection? That's basically Star Trek fantasy to me...

Got it, but that all supports my suggestion.

I agree with everything, especially the bolded parts.
But hey, renaming the section definitely means changing it from its original form.
So, it all still backs up what I was proposing.

Renaming the section was just irony. I doubt the FBI is going to change its name, and the only person who should actually be answering these things won't show up anyway. He stays in the shadows behind the scenes, and by staying hidden, he avoids taking any responsibility.
But mark my words, the admin will probably jump in soon to shut this thread down because they have the right to. This is a private forum, after all, and the owner's will is law here. If the thread gets closed and it turns out they were just following the owner's wishes, I think you'll have a pretty clear idea of where they stand on all this.

The FBI has one main purpose, just like Rachel Sanchez11 pointed out—it's all about driving up click rates.

@Rachel Sanchez11:

So, clearly I wasn't fully clued in on how the hierarchy works here.

It's all making sense now.

But yeah, there’s definitely some logic to everything you’re saying.

@Andrew Stewart3:
Anyway, yeah, we've cleared that part up too.

Andrew Stewart3 said:The FBI has one main purpose, just like Rachel Sanchez11 pointed out—it's all about driving up click rates.

Actually, I didn't say that...
I guess the FBI exists to funnel all that frustration into one tiny little corner where the cops don't even need long batons to crack down on whoever's at fault...
Everything else is just about keeping those click numbers up....

No doubt about it, this is easily the highest quality forum in the digital space right now. It’ll stay that way for a long time and keep its current traffic levels. And honestly, the guy running the show knows that all too well.

Look, the user base is already so huge that any move to squeeze out even another 10%—which is basically the ceiling anyway—would be massive. From a purely economic standpoint, it's just not worth the headache.
But, when you look at the sheer quality here and how this forum sits in the American online landscape, I feel like the owner owes it to us to make this a nicer, more ACCESSIBLE, better place to hang out.
The problem is, he'll probably never realize that it was you guys and your posts that actually made him the owner of the best forum around. He thinks he did it all himself.

Sure, he's set for success in the short term, but in the long run? I think he's totally missing the mark.

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Let's look at this situation.

An attack on a subforum should really be an attack on the moderator. But that shouldn't be the case here. hollowtrucker77 is actually one of the best mods we have on this site, even if I didn't think so when he first showed up. I guess I just didn't give him a full hundred days to prove himself, but man, he’s actually surprised me.
Secondly, the fact is that some weird hierarchy has taken over the forum lately; things have gotten way more heavy-handed (someone like the Administrator or whatever).
Thirdly, people are constantly complaining on the FBI section, and it’s become this standard routine where every single complaint gets brushed off as some "unserious attempt" to overthrow the mod—attempts that never work anyway, and almost none of these complaints ever lead to anything positive. Just a heads-up: hollowtrucker77 really tries to separate the wheat from the chaff, but he isn't getting any support from the higher-ups. His job is to moderate serious complaints, not to act as the final judge in them. And that’s what he does—he keeps the thread open, cleans out the spam and the parasites, but nobody from the people who are *supposed* to respond to the complaint shows up, so there's just silence for days.
Then, the people starting these threads lose their minds because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them—which, let's be honest, is true 😁—so they start going absolutely nuclear in every language possible. Then come the warnings, the points, the bans, and it turns out the user actually deserved the ban in the first place.

Fourthly, once, an admin called my constructive argument "acting like someone's lawyer" just because I was defending a certain right, and then she shut the whole thread down. I sent her a private message asking for an apology since I didn't consider myself anyone's lawyer. She didn't reply. And when I actually complimented her, saying it was nice to finally have an admin who actually responds to DMs, she shot back that she had better things to do than answer a PM where I was being all dramatic about wanting an apology. This tells you everything you need to know: this esteemed admin has much more important things to do than deal with your nonsense. She has the power, she uses it, and she never questions her own calls because, frankly, we aren't worth her time to sit and rethink things.

So, I've confirmed my suspicions, and I'll tell you guys again, though I've said it plenty of times already.
Reddit is privately owned and, honestly, it’s technically maintained pretty poorly. Since it’s private property, the owner can basically do whatever they want. Because of that, users don't have much ground to stand on when complaining about moderators and how they behave, because every single one of them was chosen by the owner to represent his interests and protect his property. When you look at it that way, every complaint is just a waste of breath.

So, that’s how it stands. Next time you feel the urge to complain, just remember that the moderators are working for free (well, maybe not for free—I actually started a thread about that on the psychology board once) and remember that the forum hasn't been running well for years. Seriously, call up any hosting service and ask what it would cost to host a forum like this. You’ll quickly realize the owner couldn't care less about the site, and if he doesn't care about the site, he doesn't care about the users. And if he doesn't care about the users, then the moderators are just his extended arm—they get the same "don't care" impulse from him, and so they don't care about you either. It always stinks from the top down.

You can choose to accept this reality, stay true to yourself, and be who you are despite it all. Or, you can spend hours here arguing in a losing battle. Because at the end of the day, this is a private forum...

You guys are just numbers. You are nothing more than unique clicks that the owner displays to advertisers. The only thing that makes you "unique" is the statistic: "we have x0,000 unique clicks every day." When you stop clicking, someone else will take your place. And that other person won't be any different from you, even if you're clicking based on some deep philosophy about topics that need to radically change the world, while that other guy is just some random teenager opening threads like: "I've never done it..."
And both you and he are just tiny clicks, one of thousands of others that make up the "strength" of this forum.

That’s why we shouldn't abolish the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It channels the dissatisfied people so they can be ignored. That is its function. Its job isn't to resolve a potential complaint. Maybe we should just rename it: "Wishes and Futile Complaints." Description: Complain all you want, and get banned...

😁
I'm signing off on everything except for what's said about hollowtrucker77. He is the perfect, textbook example of what happens when you pay someone to moderate a site like Reddit. It’s that pure sense of superiority, you know? Now maybe people finally understand politicians and why everyone is always shocked by how arrogant they act. Just look at this—you give someone a tiny bit of virtual power and suddenly they're looking down on you like you're dirt, talking down to you like, "Oh, you won't do this to me, you won't do that to me..." Well, yeah I will!😁

His entire existence is just handing out bans to anyone who dares to complain.

Or he just writes, "Mod doesn't want to answer and there's nothing I can do here," and then locks the thread...😂

Or that legendary line: "As a mod, I'm deciding whether or not I feel like answering, I don't have to if I don't want to"... what a joke...

I mean, any smart person would probably wonder, then, what is the subforum even for??

But hey, logical questions aren't exactly welcome around here.

Or it's the classic, "I'm not going to engage at that level."

That's usually what people say when they've got absolutely nothing else to say, which, let's face it, is almost always the case.

The point is, sure, people complain, and some of them are totally right, but those 100% valid complaints are never gonna fly because, my god, once you give a person even a shred of authority, you see their true colors.

I remember cases on the Politics board where a certain mod used to protest against censorship back when he was just a regular user, and then two days later—boom—he's a mod and now he's censoring everything left and right, worse than the Soviet Union! He just locks threads for no reason at all, mostly just to pull the attention back to himself because every smart person in a debate ignores him. So, he takes his revenge like that.

You try complaining here, and you'll probably just end up getting banned for being "rude."

I wouldn't go so far as to say hollowtrucker77 is acting all high and mighty, though I guess you’re entitled to your own take on it...
I honestly think the mods are actually being pretty reasonable when they have to step in during those weird situations sometimes....

And seriously, what is actually going on with you? Am I seeing this right, or did you actually sign off on exactly what I wrote?
It was an interesting one; maybe we'll even get some snow in the morning....

hollowtrucker77 is perfectly fine when dealing with simple matters, or when he’s busy managing those notorious idiots (whom he can identify easily enough), but the moment things shift toward criticizing a moderator—you know, once we step into the realm of forum politics—that's a whole different story. He'll end up eating dirt if Jerry Garcia tells him to 😁

Andrew Sanchez572 said:hollowtrucker77 is perfectly fine when dealing with simple matters, or when he’s busy managing those notorious idiots (whom he can identify easily enough), but the moment things shift toward criticizing a moderator—you know, once we step into the realm of forum politics—that's a whole different story. He'll end up eating dirt if Jerry Garcia tells him to 😁

Exactly.

If it’s just some random nonsense that isn't gonna cause anyone any real mental anguish, then yeah, everyone acts all nice and helpful...🤣

But the moment there's an actual issue that needs fixing and the mod just refuses to deal with it? Suddenly threads get locked, people start handing out bans, and it's all "the mod doesn't have to do anything if they don't want to," or "you're being rude"... etc etc. It's just wild.😁

Rachel Sanchez11 said:I wouldn't go so far as to say hollowtrucker77 is acting all high and mighty, though I guess you’re entitled to your own take on it...
I honestly think the mods are actually being pretty reasonable when they have to step in during those weird situations sometimes....

And seriously, what is actually going on with you? Am I seeing this right, or did you actually sign off on exactly what I wrote?
It was an interesting one; maybe we'll even get some snow in the morning....

I always just go with whatever the truth is, no matter who typed it out..😁

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Actually, I didn't say that...
I guess the FBI exists to funnel all that frustration into one tiny little corner where the cops don't even need long batons to crack down on whoever's at fault...
Everything else is just about keeping those click numbers up....

No doubt about it, this is easily the highest quality forum in the digital space right now. It’ll stay that way for a long time and keep its current traffic levels. And honestly, the guy running the show knows that all too well.

Look, the user base is already so huge that any move to squeeze out even another 10%—which is basically the ceiling anyway—would be massive. From a purely economic standpoint, it's just not worth the headache.
But, when you look at the sheer quality here and how this forum sits in the American online landscape, I feel like the owner owes it to us to make this a nicer, more ACCESSIBLE, better place to hang out.
The problem is, he'll probably never realize that it was you guys and your posts that actually made him the owner of the best forum around. He thinks he did it all himself.

Sure, he's set for success in the short term, but in the long run? I think he's totally missing the mark.

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Let's look at this situation.

An attack on a subforum should really be an attack on the moderator. But that shouldn't be the case here. hollowtrucker77 is actually one of the best mods we have on this site, even if I didn't think so when he first showed up. I guess I just didn't give him a full hundred days to prove himself, but man, he’s actually surprised me.
Secondly, the fact is that some weird hierarchy has taken over the forum lately; things have gotten way more heavy-handed (someone like the Administrator or whatever).
Thirdly, people are constantly complaining on the FBI section, and it’s become this standard routine where every single complaint gets brushed off as some "unserious attempt" to overthrow the mod—attempts that never work anyway, and almost none of these complaints ever lead to anything positive. Just a heads-up: hollowtrucker77 really tries to separate the wheat from the chaff, but he isn't getting any support from the higher-ups. His job is to moderate serious complaints, not to act as the final judge in them. And that’s what he does—he keeps the thread open, cleans out the spam and the parasites, but nobody from the people who are *supposed* to respond to the complaint shows up, so there's just silence for days.
Then, the people starting these threads lose their minds because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them—which, let's be honest, is true 😁—so they start going absolutely nuclear in every language possible. Then come the warnings, the points, the bans, and it turns out the user actually deserved the ban in the first place.

Fourthly, once, an admin called my constructive argument "acting like someone's lawyer" just because I was defending a certain right, and then she shut the whole thread down. I sent her a private message asking for an apology since I didn't consider myself anyone's lawyer. She didn't reply. And when I actually complimented her, saying it was nice to finally have an admin who actually responds to DMs, she shot back that she had better things to do than answer a PM where I was being all dramatic about wanting an apology. This tells you everything you need to know: this esteemed admin has much more important things to do than deal with your nonsense. She has the power, she uses it, and she never questions her own calls because, frankly, we aren't worth her time to sit and rethink things.

So, I've confirmed my suspicions, and I'll tell you guys again, though I've said it plenty of times already.
Reddit is privately owned and, honestly, it’s technically maintained pretty poorly. Since it’s private property, the owner can basically do whatever they want. Because of that, users don't have much ground to stand on when complaining about moderators and how they behave, because every single one of them was chosen by the owner to represent his interests and protect his property. When you look at it that way, every complaint is just a waste of breath.

So, that’s how it stands. Next time you feel the urge to complain, just remember that the moderators are working for free (well, maybe not for free—I actually started a thread about that on the psychology board once) and remember that the forum hasn't been running well for years. Seriously, call up any hosting service and ask what it would cost to host a forum like this. You’ll quickly realize the owner couldn't care less about the site, and if he doesn't care about the site, he doesn't care about the users. And if he doesn't care about the users, then the moderators are just his extended arm—they get the same "don't care" impulse from him, and so they don't care about you either. It always stinks from the top down.

You can choose to accept this reality, stay true to yourself, and be who you are despite it all. Or, you can spend hours here arguing in a losing battle. Because at the end of the day, this is a private forum...

You guys are just numbers. You are nothing more than unique clicks that the owner displays to advertisers. The only thing that makes you "unique" is the statistic: "we have x0,000 unique clicks every day." When you stop clicking, someone else will take your place. And that other person won't be any different from you, even if you're clicking based on some deep philosophy about topics that need to radically change the world, while that other guy is just some random teenager opening threads like: "I've never done it..."
And both you and he are just tiny clicks, one of thousands of others that make up the "strength" of this forum.

That’s why we shouldn't abolish the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It channels the dissatisfied people so they can be ignored. That is its function. Its job isn't to resolve a potential complaint. Maybe we should just rename it: "Wishes and Futile Complaints." Description: Complain all you want, and get banned...

Look, I see my last post didn't quite land, so let me clarify what I meant.
In my view, the FBI has the same basic function as the rest of the forum—generating as many clicks as possible so the owner looks good to advertisers. (You already covered that part; my first point was an addition to it).
So, even though I'm actually in favor of getting rid of it, my opinion is totally irrelevant anyway.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:hollowtrucker77 is perfectly fine when dealing with simple matters, or when he’s busy managing those notorious idiots (whom he can identify easily enough), but the moment things shift toward criticizing a moderator—you know, once we step into the realm of forum politics—that's a whole different story. He'll end up eating dirt if Jerry Garcia tells him to 😁

Alright, I assume you were being poetic with that bit about swallowing garbage. 🤣 🤣

I agree; if you want to be a supermod, you basically have to be a world-class suck-up. 👎

I’ve complained twice about pointless warnings—just total nonsense, let's be clear👎—but not a single admin even bothered to reply, even after I sent them a direct message.

Whenever there's some "dramatic" situation, hollowtrucker77 usually just sits back and thinks, "Hmm..." acting like he's some genius who's going to handle everything better than you lot.

Then he just locks the thread without actually solving anything. 😕

EDIT: I don't post much on this massive forum because half the people here aren't even worth joking with. 🙂

Of course this subforum makes absolutely no sense... it’s just another playground for the ruling elite to show off their power over the average person... I won't drag this out, I'm signing on with Rachel Sanchez11, though regarding the part where they mentioned hollowtrucker77, I guess I actually agree more with how Michael Adams2 sees things... basically, this whole subforum is a complete joke 🙏 🤣

David Ortiz26 said:Alright, I assume you were being poetic with that bit about swallowing garbage. 🤣 🤣

I agree; if you want to be a supermod, you basically have to be a world-class suck-up. 👎

I’ve complained twice about pointless warnings—just total nonsense, let's be clear👎—but not a single admin even bothered to reply, even after I sent them a direct message.

Whenever there's some "dramatic" situation, hollowtrucker77 usually just sits back and thinks, "Hmm..." acting like he's some genius who's going to handle everything better than you lot.

Then he just locks the thread without actually solving anything. 😕

EDIT: I don't post much on this massive forum because half the people here aren't even worth joking with. 🙂

think about

here, let me just quote him for clarity:

I don't have an issue consuming animal proteins, and honestly, I've never been a picky eater anyway.

So now we can finally reach a conclusion about who finds what acceptable... 😬

But, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think I'm manipulating things or playing games, so here is the link for you to verify everything for yourselves:
http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=375047

Yes, yes, it's a total joke of a sub-forum, but then again, it is quite a fun little joke... 😂

So, I’m quoting you here...

Andrew Sanchez572 said:think about

here, let me just quote him for clarity:

I don't have an issue consuming animal proteins, and honestly, I've never been a picky eater anyway.

So now we can finally reach a conclusion about who finds what acceptable... 😬

But, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think I'm manipulating things or playing games, so here is the link for you to verify everything for yourselves:
http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=375047

Yes, yes, it's a total joke of a sub-forum, but then again, it is quite a fun little joke... 😂

Let's just skip over hollowtrucker77. He's just another capitalist before the guy who actually handed us the rope...
Jerry Garcia is the second to last, but definitely not the last...

Andrew Stewart3 said:Look, I see my last post didn't quite land, so let me clarify what I meant.
In my view, the FBI has the same basic function as the rest of the forum—generating as many clicks as possible so the owner looks good to advertisers. (You already covered that part; my first point was an addition to it).
So, even though I'm actually in favor of getting rid of it, my opinion is totally irrelevant anyway.

Alright, let's not get into a huge fight about this....
The whole point of this entire site is clicks, and those come from having a variety of topics because that guarantees Google will pick them up during indexing...
I highly doubt anyone is typing "how long am I banned for" or "looking for a replacement for the moderator" into Google...
😁

Your opinion is just as valid as mine. Trust me, the editors will take it into account, so there's no point in being stubborn about it...
😂

Yes, we could certainly put it this way:

The very last administrator we end up hanging will be the one who handed us this forum in the first place...😁

Now that we’ve talked about the whole hanging thing, I honestly don't think we'll ever live to see him step out onto the terrace and address the crowd...
Man, that was probably our last shot at seeing his pure white lily side again...

Andrew Sanchez572 said:think about

here, let me just quote him for clarity:

I don't have an issue consuming animal proteins, and honestly, I've never been a picky eater anyway.

So now we can finally reach a conclusion about who finds what acceptable... 😬

But, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think I'm manipulating things or playing games, so here is the link for you to verify everything for yourselves:
http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=375047

Yes, yes, it's a total joke of a sub-forum, but then again, it is quite a fun little joke... 😂

Who cares? Your gender doesn't change anything to me. ☕

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Please, we just lost our last shot at seeing his white...

Give me a break. You'll be lucky if you even see white smoke. 🙄

David Ortiz26 said:Who cares? Your gender doesn't change anything to me. ☕

Give me a break. You'll be lucky if you even see white smoke. 🙄

Well, it matters to me, dear...

David Ortiz26 said:Who cares? Your gender doesn't change anything to me. ☕

Give me a break. You'll be lucky if you even see white smoke. 🙄

when we start picking at this bone... 😢

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Let's look at this situation.

An attack on a subforum should really be an attack on the moderator. But that shouldn't be the case here. hollowtrucker77 is actually one of the best mods we have on this site, even if I didn't think so when he first showed up. I guess I just didn't give him a full hundred days to prove himself, but man, he’s actually surprised me.
Secondly, the fact is that some weird hierarchy has taken over the forum lately; things have gotten way more heavy-handed (someone like the Administrator or whatever).
Thirdly, people are constantly complaining on the FBI section, and it’s become this standard routine where every single complaint gets brushed off as some "unserious attempt" to overthrow the mod—attempts that never work anyway, and almost none of these complaints ever lead to anything positive. Just a heads-up: hollowtrucker77 really tries to separate the wheat from the chaff, but he isn't getting any support from the higher-ups. His job is to moderate serious complaints, not to act as the final judge in them. And that’s what he does—he keeps the thread open, cleans out the spam and the parasites, but nobody from the people who are *supposed* to respond to the complaint shows up, so there's just silence for days.
Then, the people starting these threads lose their minds because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them—which, let's be honest, is true 😁—so they start going absolutely nuclear in every language possible. Then come the warnings, the points, the bans, and it turns out the user actually deserved the ban in the first place.

Fourthly, once, an admin called my constructive argument "acting like someone's lawyer" just because I was defending a certain right, and then she shut the whole thread down. I sent her a private message asking for an apology since I didn't consider myself anyone's lawyer. She didn't reply. And when I actually complimented her, saying it was nice to finally have an admin who actually responds to DMs, she shot back that she had better things to do than answer a PM where I was being all dramatic about wanting an apology. This tells you everything you need to know: this esteemed admin has much more important things to do than deal with your nonsense. She has the power, she uses it, and she never questions her own calls because, frankly, we aren't worth her time to sit and rethink things.

So, I've confirmed my suspicions, and I'll tell you guys again, though I've said it plenty of times already.
Reddit is privately owned and, honestly, it’s technically maintained pretty poorly. Since it’s private property, the owner can basically do whatever they want. Because of that, users don't have much ground to stand on when complaining about moderators and how they behave, because every single one of them was chosen by the owner to represent his interests and protect his property. When you look at it that way, every complaint is just a waste of breath.

So, that’s how it stands. Next time you feel the urge to complain, just remember that the moderators are working for free (well, maybe not for free—I actually started a thread about that on the psychology board once) and remember that the forum hasn't been running well for years. Seriously, call up any hosting service and ask what it would cost to host a forum like this. You’ll quickly realize the owner couldn't care less about the site, and if he doesn't care about the site, he doesn't care about the users. And if he doesn't care about the users, then the moderators are just his extended arm—they get the same "don't care" impulse from him, and so they don't care about you either. It always stinks from the top down.

You can choose to accept this reality, stay true to yourself, and be who you are despite it all. Or, you can spend hours here arguing in a losing battle. Because at the end of the day, this is a private forum...

You guys are just numbers. You are nothing more than unique clicks that the owner displays to advertisers. The only thing that makes you "unique" is the statistic: "we have x0,000 unique clicks every day." When you stop clicking, someone else will take your place. And that other person won't be any different from you, even if you're clicking based on some deep philosophy about topics that need to radically change the world, while that other guy is just some random teenager opening threads like: "I've never done it..."
And both you and he are just tiny clicks, one of thousands of others that make up the "strength" of this forum.

That’s why we shouldn't abolish the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It channels the dissatisfied people so they can be ignored. That is its function. Its job isn't to resolve a potential complaint. Maybe we should just rename it: "Wishes and Futile Complaints." Description: Complain all you want, and get banned...

Yeah, you’ve got a point there. But still... I can't help but think about that moderator who keeps publicly hyping up users with barely any clicks. It feels like he's working against the site owner, yet he hasn't been touched and is still in his position. Honestly, I actually saw a post yesterday where someone was advocating for this, and it was deleted. But the quote is still sitting there on the FBI feed. Same goes for the moderator himself—he's still holding his spot, nothing happened to him at all, aside from a few random bans. 😁

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Let's look at this situation.

An attack on a subforum should really be an attack on the moderator. But that shouldn't be the case here. hollowtrucker77 is actually one of the best mods we have on this site, even if I didn't think so when he first showed up. I guess I just didn't give him a full hundred days to prove himself, but man, he’s actually surprised me.
Secondly, the fact is that some weird hierarchy has taken over the forum lately; things have gotten way more heavy-handed (someone like the Administrator or whatever).
Thirdly, people are constantly complaining on the FBI section, and it’s become this standard routine where every single complaint gets brushed off as some "unserious attempt" to overthrow the mod—attempts that never work anyway, and almost none of these complaints ever lead to anything positive. Just a heads-up: hollowtrucker77 really tries to separate the wheat from the chaff, but he isn't getting any support from the higher-ups. His job is to moderate serious complaints, not to act as the final judge in them. And that’s what he does—he keeps the thread open, cleans out the spam and the parasites, but nobody from the people who are *supposed* to respond to the complaint shows up, so there's just silence for days.
Then, the people starting these threads lose their minds because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them—which, let's be honest, is true 😁—so they start going absolutely nuclear in every language possible. Then come the warnings, the points, the bans, and it turns out the user actually deserved the ban in the first place.

Fourthly, once, an admin called my constructive argument "acting like someone's lawyer" just because I was defending a certain right, and then she shut the whole thread down. I sent her a private message asking for an apology since I didn't consider myself anyone's lawyer. She didn't reply. And when I actually complimented her, saying it was nice to finally have an admin who actually responds to DMs, she shot back that she had better things to do than answer a PM where I was being all dramatic about wanting an apology. This tells you everything you need to know: this esteemed admin has much more important things to do than deal with your nonsense. She has the power, she uses it, and she never questions her own calls because, frankly, we aren't worth her time to sit and rethink things.

So, I've confirmed my suspicions, and I'll tell you guys again, though I've said it plenty of times already.
Reddit is privately owned and, honestly, it’s technically maintained pretty poorly. Since it’s private property, the owner can basically do whatever they want. Because of that, users don't have much ground to stand on when complaining about moderators and how they behave, because every single one of them was chosen by the owner to represent his interests and protect his property. When you look at it that way, every complaint is just a waste of breath.

So, that’s how it stands. Next time you feel the urge to complain, just remember that the moderators are working for free (well, maybe not for free—I actually started a thread about that on the psychology board once) and remember that the forum hasn't been running well for years. Seriously, call up any hosting service and ask what it would cost to host a forum like this. You’ll quickly realize the owner couldn't care less about the site, and if he doesn't care about the site, he doesn't care about the users. And if he doesn't care about the users, then the moderators are just his extended arm—they get the same "don't care" impulse from him, and so they don't care about you either. It always stinks from the top down.

You can choose to accept this reality, stay true to yourself, and be who you are despite it all. Or, you can spend hours here arguing in a losing battle. Because at the end of the day, this is a private forum...

You guys are just numbers. You are nothing more than unique clicks that the owner displays to advertisers. The only thing that makes you "unique" is the statistic: "we have x0,000 unique clicks every day." When you stop clicking, someone else will take your place. And that other person won't be any different from you, even if you're clicking based on some deep philosophy about topics that need to radically change the world, while that other guy is just some random teenager opening threads like: "I've never done it..."
And both you and he are just tiny clicks, one of thousands of others that make up the "strength" of this forum.

That’s why we shouldn't abolish the FBI section. It serves its purpose. It channels the dissatisfied people so they can be ignored. That is its function. Its job isn't to resolve a potential complaint. Maybe we should just rename it: "Wishes and Futile Complaints." Description: Complain all you want, and get banned...

Complaining just to get banned is basically an open secret at this point.
She really makes this PDF completely useless. 🤔

I can't even begin to deal with this right now.
Either you're self-censoring because you don't actually care about "driving out the demons" through debate, or you've just reached the point where ignoring people—which is honestly just plain rude—has become your default. Or maybe you just lock the thread whenever you run out of things to say, which feels like being slammed in the face with a door; it’s just as unhelpful. Eventually, a person is going to snap, and then they end up getting banned.
Pure joy. 😛

Whatever, I’m not actually in favor of getting rid of the FBI. Honestly, looking back at some of those old posts on there helped me get a much better sense of certain users. 😍