Are doctors more prone to "negative careerism"?

left here said:I can't give you any guarantees, and it looks like you can't either, but I haven't heard anywhere that anyone makes anything significant$1333 from on-call shifts at night, maybe $1,000 max.

As for whether a salary is too high or too low—look, if you didn't go to medical school, you probably started earning your own way by age 20... meanwhile, your average doctor is scraping by until they're at least 25, so just do the math on those 5+ years where they earned zero while you were working, and then try telling me that shouldn't affect their pay.

It's no coincidence that lazy kids don't study while hard workers do... though I guess being hardworking isn't necessarily a trait that commands a higher paycheck.

What even defines "value"? Everyone in this thread is just projecting their own personal baggage onto the topic.

Later.

Look, I never actually said they earn 4$0.00 on call; I said they make $1,000, plus maybe $3,000 from patient fees.

And what on earth does how many years it took me to start making a living have to do with this? Is it really justifiable that doctors, who finally finish school at 25, get to charge people extra for exams? Let me remind you: healthcare funding is already being pulled directly out of our salaries!

It's no coincidence that lazy kids don't study while hard workers do... though I guess being hardworking isn't necessarily a trait that commands a higher paycheck.

That part seriously set me off! 👎 Do you honestly think everyone who didn't go to college is automatically lazy and stupid? Just so you know, if I’d had the chance to go to school, I absolutely would have—but back then, there was a war going on in our beautiful country and life dragged me straight into it, into the uniforms and all that ugly, messy reality.

What even defines "value"? Everyone in this thread is just projecting their own personal baggage onto the topic.

You took the words right out of my mouth, except it applies perfectly to those in white coats.

See ya.👋

left here said:lol, okay, and who else deserves the same status? A B.S. engineer? Who knows, maybe once he gets his PhD he can cut in front of me at Chase Bank.

Sorry, but this is total bullshit. You get that doctorate just by finishing school, the same way pharmacists get their masters and everyone else gets their degree. And now you're actually getting worked up thinking your degree is somehow better than everyone else's?!

Carol Jackson45, an MD is not a PhD. Even physicians have to complete a doctorate to earn a Dr. Sci. title. 😉
Pharmacists also need to finish graduate studies to become masters or doctors of science. At least, that used to be the standard. 😬

I wonder if they've already implemented some changes because of the Bologna Process?

Dennis Torres said:she absolutely has no idea how to write.

There is a massive difference between someone having bad handwriting and someone being illiterate. I struggle to decipher my own doctor's handwriting half the time, but honestly... if someone writes like they're using their left foot... 😬

It’s honestly unbelievable. Don't you know how to read a quote? I was essentially saying that you all seem to be implying, if you read between the lines, that a person's inherent worth can be measured simply by their profession.
Because what you're suggesting is that doctors aren't actually worth the high salaries they pull in...
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Are we really back to debating my literacy again? And as for answering your question about what a single human being is worth to you—fine, let's say you took my comment as a provocation; that truly wasn't my intention. It was just that the comparison to Janica got me thinking, because she really is the gold standard among her peers. Does every single doctor deserve to be compared to Janica, or is that honor reserved only for the absolute best in the field?
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...and I'm certainly not sitting here arguing with myself, but rather with a whole crowd of people who seem bothered by the social standing of doctors, even though they claim to be perfectly happy with the status quo🙄 :you can think whatever you want
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If you take a moment to actually read closely, you'll see that most of the people here are just acting arrogant and condescending. Has anyone actually attacked any of the doctors who stepped up to join this discussion?
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Besides, are you now going to try and dictate who gets to stop responding first?
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Why would you even bother replying to me if it isn't for the exact same reason—because you can't bring yourself to agree with me..
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Honestly, I find myself wondering why I'm even replying to you. Then again, you can find all the answers you need in that other rambling thread of yours. Look, I'll be the first to walk away once I've answered your final question.

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And you didn't even ask what actually happened to that idiot who turned this entire thread into such a complete mess for everyone involved.
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I couldn't care less what happened to "that idiot." In fact, it would actually be quite satisfying if the provocation had just sunk along with the person who started it.

P.S. Now I'm off to hunt through the rules to see where it says how to split a post when you want to divide it up.😳

northerncobra27 said:I couldn't care less about whatever happened to "that particular idiot." In fact, wouldn't it be poetic justice if the provocation sank right along with the provocateur?

I find myself in complete agreement with you, 🙂

left here said:whatever, everyone studies psychology..

Yeah, speaking of people talking trash, half the people enrolled in psychology programs don't have a single shred of natural talent for it...

You’re over here whining about how people criticize doctors, yet you somehow feel totally justified in trashing psychologists*... 👎 🤣

*just like over here, for instance.

If you honestly believe people choose to study psychology just because they're trying to fix their own messy mental lives, then by that logic, others are perfectly entitled to assume people go into medicine solely for the paycheck and the social prestige. Instead of actually proving them wrong... well... whatever...

p.s. In that previous post I linked, you brought up psychiatrists too... I'm starting to get the feeling you view psychiatrists as second-class physicians 😢 so you think it's okay to just mock them? 😈

Hey, could someone please scan this prescription for me? If you can just figure out what it actually says, maybe I can send you over to pick it up since my aunt can't make heads or tails of the handwriting..
I’m honestly too terrified to ask the doctor herself... I feel like she might totally lose it on me if I bring it up.

I was just gonna say, I know this one super arrogant, stuck-up doctor who thinks that just because she "finished med school" gives her a free pass to write like absolute gibberish. And because of that exact same ego trip, she gets all pissed off at anyone brave enough to mention how unreadable it is.
To be totally honest, I've encountered way more cocky, "we're better than everyone else" types from big Ivy League schools than I ever have from actual doctors.

@left here: why don't you go insult your own mom or your pet instead.

left here said:First off, the government didn't just "invest" in my education; I invested in myself, because if you look at it that way, nobody should really take credit for someone else's hard work, plus my parents paid their taxes and funded the whole budget anyway..
Furthermore, I’m not trying to act superior to anyone, but since this whole thread is basically one big provocation filled with nothing but prejudices and sweeping generalizations, I guess I’ll just play along with the provocations. If we're all going to sink to the bottom, fine by me..

Only someone totally blinded by bias could actually interpret my comments as "you'll be dependent on me sooner or later" instead of realizing I'm just echoing the exact conclusion he already reached because he refuses to stop stereotyping every doctor as the absolute worst kind of person—if he didn't want to do that, he wouldn't have started a thread like this or kept posting in it (which is already his second time being a total jerk regarding healthcare)..basically, people aren't thinking about specific doctors here; they're thinking about the majority of people who deal with them...
For instance, just look at the opening post of this thread—what kind of massive generalization is that guy trying to make?! Seriously?! 🙄 😲

If I was being rude the whole time, yeah, I was, but honestly, that's no secret. But let's be real, the rudeness in 90% of the other posts here is being completely glossed over. Like when people claim GP doctors are just glorified scribes. Only a frustrated idiot who had already made up their mind before this debate even started would say something like that. Or saying that only 10% of med students do it because they love it, while 90% are just chasing prestige. All of those are incredibly rude claims that I don't have to put up with just to prove I'm not one of those arrogant, stuck-up med students..I mean, you all clearly think 90% of us are arrogant anyway, so why bother changing your mind with my "arrogance"? You guys don't deserve polite posts.

As for whether doctors are worth more or not, debating that on a "doctor" level is just laughable. A person can be complete trash whether they are a surgeon or a garbage man, and vice versa.

But the thing is, posts like these happen not because people are bothered by doctors thinking they're worth more, but because they're bothered by the fact that doctors are treated as if they're worth more than they actually are, which implies they think they're worth more than everyone else...

It didn't bother me how anyone was treated before I decided to study medicine, and it doesn't bother me now, mostly because I'm happy with my choice both then and now—unlike the people talking nonsense here, who clearly think they're worth more than the way they're actually treated...

But hey, let's take an example like Janica, who definitely has more value, right? And nobody complains about that because she actually does bring more to the table... doesn't she? Aha, so that hierarchy of who is worth more or less definitely exists, and you guys keep pushing it, judging people by their profession rather than their actual worth...

It just boils down to the fact that some professions have higher value, but doctors aren't among them.. because doctors don't suffer nearly as much during their studies, and even though you all probably only know three med students and four doctors and have seen the covers of their textbooks, you all seem to know exactly how hard it is to be a top-tier Olympic skier, so YES. JANICA HAS MORE VALUE AND YOU'RE RIGHT TO THINK SO, but NO, doctors don't have more value than they think they do, nor more than they are treated for. ..

👏 😵 ....I honestly can't decide which of those statements above is the stupidest, so I'm just declaring them all equally moronic.... seriously, just toss this whole thing in the trash... not even because of the OP, but because of that "6 instead of 4" nonsense being dragged out, which just turns a decent discussion into a total dead end.

Dennis Torres said:I wouldn't even dare ask the doctor, what if she gets pissed off?

Then just go bother her sister instead, though I honestly don't see why you're being so timid with the actual doctor... 😬 actually, why don't you just scan it and send it over? We can all have a good laugh while we try to crack the code. 😁

Oh please, it’s not like I’m totally helpless here... obviously I’m gonna go pick my sister's brain for some advice, so she can be the one to deal with the doctor if she wants to get all worked up about it.

But hey, let me brag for a second... honestly, this is actually one of her better attempts... she’s definitely had some legendary fails in the past, but even this one is pretty much illegible (if you don't already know exactly what on earth it's supposed to say).http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recept26nu.gif

Since Dennis Torres started the doctor gossip thread, I just have to share my own story!

All four of us in my family share the same amazing GP.
She’s female, incredibly professional, and honestly just a sweetheart.
The only downside is she’s occasionally out—vacation, sick days, you know how it is.
And whenever she’s away, she’s replaced by some guy who clearly lives in an entirely different dimension.
My daughter is scheduled for surgery soon, so she was given this massive list of things to get done beforehand.
It was actually great at first because it was a printed computer readout with big, bold, easy-to-read letters detailing exactly which tests were needed and where to go.
Well, the replacement doc managed to write six referrals when we only needed four!
His cardiology recommendation was especially "brilliant"—he just wrote "listen to lungs."

I honestly can't decide if this is hilarious or just plain tragic.

I bet he thinks he's a total genius, too.

It basically means... some pills (can't even make out the handwriting)🙄
Damn. Originality is dead. Honestly, it’s just a total mess here.😍
S. (probably 3x1, since that seems to be the standard for everything these days)

Anyway, I don't get what the big deal is with this thread? It feels pretty relevant to health stuff if you ask me.😎
Is this supposed to be some kind of medical advice forum or something?😬 From what I can tell, a few people around here are totally against giving advice on forums.😁
As for that little provocateur, I’m actually speechless. Truly. I haven't got any advice left to give. She’s left me completely stumped.😲
Dora k, well, isn't it just lovely👍 being a doctor.

I’m looking into medical school, but not because of the status or any material perks.
My main motivation is that I feel like I actually have the right foundation for it—I have a genuine desire to help people, I'm not driven by money, and I tend to pick up information quickly through photographic memory. My primary goal is simply to graduate on schedule and do as well as possible. I have this dream of eventually living on an island like Key West 😍 and practicing there, especially since doctors are always in such high demand in coastal communities like that.
Since I'm still quite young, I was hoping you all might be able to help me out with two quick questions (I know this might be a bit out of left field, but... please!)
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1) Is it actually realistic to finish med school on time? I've heard some pretty scary stories about people spending ten years in training. 😲
2) What do you think of my plan?
😘Thanks so much in advance!

1. True, but honestly, it all comes down to you!
2. I love the idea, though you're definitely going to have to put in some serious sweat equity to make it happen!

jadesailor14 said:1. Yeah, but that really comes down to you.
2. It's a great idea, but you're going to have to work incredibly hard to make it happen.

Why do you think I'd have to struggle so much to pull this off? 😢 😬
I don't mind the grind—the best things in life rarely come easy—but I'm curious what specifically made you say that.🙂

Thomas Peterson46 said:Is it actually possible to finish medical school on schedule? I've been hearing some pretty terrifying stories about people spending ten years just trying to graduate.

Look, I managed to dig up some data regarding the average number of years it takes to graduate from various universities... apparently, for med school, it hovers around seven years.

Why wouldn't you finish on time if you actually put in the work? It shouldn't matter what the statistical average is. 😬

Megan Reed said:I think I saw a list somewhere once regarding the average years spent in school for various majors... for medical school, it was hovering around seven years...

But wouldn't you finish on schedule if you really put your mind to it? Regardless of what your GPA looks like. 😬

Fair enough 😬 ,you've got a point; "Perseverance" might actually be my middle name 😈 ,🙂...
Thanks for the replies, ladies. You've actually made me feel even more motivated 😘

There’s this persistent myth floating around that it takes ten years to wrap up medical school—as if the degree is reserved exclusively for those who failed out or needed a decade just to scrape by. Of course, you can absolutely finish on schedule if you actually put in the work...

Staying on topic, I personally know plenty of doctors who pursued medicine because they genuinely want to help people. Even after years upon years of residency, they still head into work with actual enthusiasm. Then, naturally, there’s the other side of the coin: the ones who carry themselves like high-society elites, but the moment you walk into their clinic as a patient, you’d better watch your step. They might as well toss you out a window if you dare bother them with something as trivial as a kidney infection—and believe me, I’m speaking from personal experience here.
And honestly, when someone starts bragging about how much "harder" their university was compared to everyone else's, it makes my skin crawl. I’ll just bite my tongue before I get banned for commenting further...

Elon Musk said:Look, I’m definitely not just sitting here helpless... obviously, I’m gonna ask my sister for advice. Let her be the one to take the doctor's notes, and if this lady wants to yell at her, let her vent.

Anyway, I wanted to share this little gem with you all... she’s definitely pulled some ridiculous stunts before, but this one is pretty much illegible (especially if you don't already know exactly what it's supposed to say).http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recept26nu.gif

Piece of cake! 🤣

It says:

Good luck, buddy
Dr. Scat. Orig. N I (uno) 😍

Man, this guy belongs in a category of medieval scribes or something—just someone obsessed with calligraphy. According to one radiologist we know—I won't name names—he refuses to type up his findings on a computer. Instead, he insists on doing everything "by hand" (and even then, only when he actually remembers to read the scan)... the problem is, he’s a totally unstable guy (it's been verified), and nobody has the guts to tell him he's basically a public hazard. So, my colleagues and I end up having to interpret his images ourselves, or we have to go begging other radiologists for help... it's honestly exhausting.🙄