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Mark Hughes36 Mark Hughes36 Active Member
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#201 ·
Having spent a few months working as a projectionist 😁, I suspect the technician messed up by using the wrong lens mount—I can't recall the exact technical jargon since my training was pretty basic 😁.
It seems off to me; the entire point of the job is verifying which lens matches which film reel. If you botch that, everything goes south 😁
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
94 messages
joined Aug 2004
#202 ·
Thanks for the expert breakdown. I’m pretty much convinced now that I didn't actually see any microphones...

...but instead, I'm starting to worry about my eyesight, or maybe just total blindness. 🙂
Mark Hughes36 Mark Hughes36 Active Member
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#203 ·
I actually felt a bit of a chill when the other guy brought up microphones 😁
honestly, I can't recall them at all
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
94 messages
joined Aug 2004
#204 ·
I guess that’s why the guys over at AMC Theatres (right?) seem to know everything there is to know about framing...
Mark Hughes36 Mark Hughes36 Active Member
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joined Feb 2023
#205 ·
The Lisbon version of AMC Theatres and galleries
operates about ten multiplexes
even here, "standard" cinemas are going under

A buddy of mine worked at a theater near Broadway for a bit—he says those places are like spaceships compared to the old cinema downtown where we both had short stints. It’s nothing like the one at the university where I actually learned the ropes. We used to run screenings once a week in the main auditorium, trying to sneak in some decent films. Most of our crowd were philosophy students who just wanted to smoke in the dark. Half the time the film strip would snap on us, too. It was a hell of a time. The equipment is still sitting at the university, but apparently, there are enough legal red tape issues to keep it from ever happening again.
Ashley Flores8 Ashley Flores8 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2007
#206 ·
Just finished watching the movie. It was absolutely fantastic! 👍
I really enjoyed it.
It’s actually such a cool touch how you don't hear what he whispers in her ear at the end.
The soundtrack, the cinematography, and the 👍
were all top-notch.
wanderingcrane51 wanderingcrane51 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Apr 2004
#207 ·
I absolutely loved this movie. Bill Murray is just incredible with that signature "I don't give a damn about anything" look he pulls off so effortlessly.
Plus, Scarlett Johansson is seriously good in this, and let's be honest, she looks 😉 perfectly
!
Frank Baker2 Frank Baker2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2004
#208 ·
Just me being an idiot... every single time I hop onto this forum looking for a second opinion... just to see if I'm losing my mind or if I'm still playing by the rules of the world.

Little Coppola has that feminine touch that was seriously missing from the screen for a while... that ability to say things that are totally banal or even stupid, yet you end up feeling humbled and moved because of the tenderness she puts into it.
Thanks for giving me those twenty minutes of much-needed silence after leaving the AMC Theatres. Thanks for bringing up those similar moments from my own life (like saying goodbye in hotel lobbies while secretly wishing I could just kidnap someone and flee to a deserted island)

Walter's answer already hit on his obsession with digging into the characters' pasts, but I'll say it anyway. Maybe she fell for him because they were physically close—you know, that scene in the hotel room where she’s looking at old photos while they're wrapped up in each other, totally head over heels. But searching for that stuff is pointless because this movie is so incredibly contained in both time and space. First off, they're both just temporary visitors to Tokyo, staying only a few days to get business done. So, that specific window is all that matters. There's this deep, subtle contrast between the interior (the hotel—calm, outward composure) and the exterior (the city—the chaos of concrete vs. their inner stillness). West meets East, maybe...?
The dialogue is banal because that's just how it goes when you meet someone in a hotel and you both know there's no future, but you crave it anyway because, in that moment, that person is your escape from your own mess. Even though they're stuck in different kinds of messes. She's dealing with a post-college crisis, and he's dealing with boredom and a lack of inspiration (he wants to make movies, not commercials). That's the common thread tying them together, and the camera captures that restless, bored feeling in the mud so precisely with that documentary-style realism and those long close-ups. (Really cranks up the psychological weight)

A ton of people are gonna say this movie mocks Japanese culture, but I'd bet my life it's just a Coppola trick to separate the intellectuals from the mediocre. (She's clearly fascinated by Japan, based on at least one interview). First off, not a single Japanese person is caricatured; everything is portrayed so realistically. Even the karaoke friend (playing into the whole cultural phenomenon of karaoke) and even the translator who simply can't find the right words for all those Japanese adjectives the director uses to describe how a macho guy should look, so she just settles for "more intense." The way the side characters are shown just highlights how much of a culture shock Japan—and specifically Tokyo—is for Westerners (which is what draws the two of them together in the first place). And then there's the contrast of visiting the temple, which is basically what most of us *think* Japan is. Thanks, Frank, for showing me just how many idiots were sitting around me in the theater.

One of the genius scenes is when Bill takes her to the room and covers her up, and she looks at him through this half-dreamy haze. He looks at her and... he just touches her shoulder and (I think) pulls the covers up... in that split second, you see a man who is in love, who likes her, but he's terrified like a little kid to do anything wrong, and maybe even his morals are tripping him up because of her age. But man, look at the emotions bubbling up in him. Then the next shot, transferring that emotion into his conversation with the woman. Wow. Perfectly acted for a guy who usually does in those half-stupid comedies....

I don't even feel like typing anymore, but I have one question: is there an American mailing list or a forum out there that isn't crawling with random idiots? Somewhere for people who actually have some knowledge or an education in film or art? Because I'm sick of reading about microphones and all those other dumb comments that just piss me off. It's obvious they just want to show their faces online because they think having an opinion makes them somebody.
Joseph Anderson15 Joseph Anderson15 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2004
#209 ·
The movie is seriously awesome—and don't even get me started on the soundtrack, it's absolute perfection. I've had it on repeat for days now. Honestly, I was laughing my head off at the Japanese characters, but in a totally sweet, lighthearted way rather than being crude about it. Anyone claiming the director was making fun of Japanese culture is dead wrong—they really are just that funny! Man, I would give anything to move to Tokyo right now!!
👍
dustyscout53 dustyscout53 Regular
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joined Dec 2005
#210 ·
Frank Baker2 said:little Coppola has this feminine touch—something the screen's been missing lately—where she can say something totally trivial or even dumb, yet you still walk away feeling moved because of how tenderly she delivers it.

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brightscout63 brightscout63 Active Member
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joined Apr 2004
#211 ·
I know I'm about to get roasted for this, but it actually sucked... 😁
Watched it last night, and honestly, I don't think I've ever been that bored...
The movie isn't even terrible, I just think I overhyped it in my own head based on everything I heard.🙄
Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson 😍 are great, but the whole thing is way too overrated.
But hey, if the army of critics says it's good, I guess I'm just wrong... 😉
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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joined May 2004
#212 ·
Did you catch that on a DVD or see it at an AMC Theatres?
brightscout63 brightscout63 Active Member
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joined Apr 2004
#213 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:Did you catch it on DVD or hit up the AMC Theatres?

On a VHS 😁 from some sketchy bootleg 😁 at like 2 AM 😁
maybe that’s why the whole vibe felt off...😁
dustyscout53 dustyscout53 Regular
310 messages
joined Dec 2005
#214 ·
brightscout63 said:I know I’m gonna get roasted for this, but man... 😁
I watched it last night, and honestly? I don't think I've ever been that bored...
The movie isn't terrible, but after all the hype, who knows what I was actually expecting.🙄
Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson 😍 are great, but the whole thing is just way overrated.
But hey, if the army of critics says it's good, then I guess I'm just wrong, right? 😉

Don't beat yourself up—the movie is totally overrated. If I had to sum it up in one word (which is all you need for a flick like this), it would be: fluff. The movie is nothing but pure fluff.
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
162 messages
joined Sep 2003
#215 ·
dustyscout53 said:Don't beat yourself up; the movie is massively overrated. If I had to sum it up in one word—which is all you need for a flick like this—it would be: fluff. It’s nothing but pure fluff.

Here we go again.😬
lonescout2 lonescout2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#216 ·
Honestly, this movie is an absolute masterpiece 👍
The way Murray commands the screen is nothing short of legendary 😁
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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joined May 2004
#217 ·
bluntman said:Watching it on a grainy 😁 bootleg DVD 😁 at like 2 in the morning 😁
might have played a part in how much I actually liked it...😁

Exactly!

The thing is, this movie really needs the big screen to work. 😉
I've learned that the hard way.
Steven Williams5 Steven Williams5 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2004
#218 ·
Movies can be pure magic. I wouldn't go so far as to say it mocks Japanese culture, but rather highlights just how foreign it feels to Americans (and honestly, to us too).

That whisper at the end is absolutely stunning, and apparently, the kiss wasn't even in the script—it was all improvised on the spot.

Murray is flawless (frankly, without him, Coppola wouldn't have even filmed this), Scarlett is brilliant, and the film itself is just beautiful.
David Edwards83 David Edwards83 Member
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joined May 2003
#219 ·
The leader said:First off—not once in this entire thing is a single Japanese person caricatured; everything is portrayed with actual realism.

Oh, so you’ve been to Japan or something? Now you're an expert?
Kyle White2 Kyle White2 Member
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joined Nov 2003
#220 ·
David Edwards83 said:So you were in Japan, then? You think you know?

Yeah, people who just got back from Japan say the exact same thing...

It’s clearly not authentic Japanese culture—it's just imported American influence... I hope everyone realizes that...

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