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Brenda Jackson6 Brenda Jackson6 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2005
#241 ·
Jerry Evans57 said:This movie is an absolute disaster. It’s easily one of the most tedious, uninspired films ever produced, and the acting is completely lifeless.

Is it really so bad that it becomes good? I actually enjoyed it.😍
Just relax—it's Suntory time!
Jerry Evans57 Jerry Evans57 Active Member
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joined Dec 2004
#242 ·
Please, spare me. That movie was an absolute train wreck.
Angela Kern69 Angela Kern69 Member
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joined Oct 2003
#243 ·
Jerry Evans57 said:this movie is an absolute train wreck. easily one of the most tedious, uninspired pieces of cinema I've ever sat through, and the acting? completely lifeless.

Precisely. It is quite possibly one of the most overrated films in recent memory.
Noah Harris50 Noah Harris50 Active Member
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joined Mar 2007
#244 ·
Angela Kern69 said:Exactly. One of the most overrated movies ever made.

Overrated—spot on.
Honestly, that’s the only thing that keeps this movie on my radar; otherwise, I would've forgotten it ages ago.

But I'm not buying the "it's a disaster" angle like Jerry Evans57.
The movie isn't a total train wreck; let's not get carried away. It's more like mediocre or slightly above average (I'd give it a 3 or 4 out of 6). The acting is solid. The issue is that Sophia had a killer concept but just didn't execute it perfectly. She let some dull, mindless filler take over the runtime. You know, those simple stories that pack a punch—kind of like what you see in something like *Lady Bird* or *The Return*.
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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joined Jul 2012
#245 ·
I personally loved the movie. As for those who didn't enjoy it: better luck next time. Maybe you'll finally get it. Just as no one can talk me out of how I experienced this film, I can't convince anyone else to see it my way either.
Noah Harris50 Noah Harris50 Active Member
116 messages
joined Mar 2007
#246 ·
Liking something or hating it doesn't mean it's actually good or bad.

I can think of plenty of great movies that I just couldn't stand—they weren't my vibe, they just didn't click. Take something like *The Godfather*, for instance. You can't say it isn't a masterpiece, but I personally hated it. No clue why. On the flip side, some totally mediocre flick might just hit right for me for absolutely no reason at all.

Personally, I think Quote : Cinnamon Girl is just an average movie. And honestly? I didn't even like it.
Brenda Jackson6 Brenda Jackson6 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2005
#247 ·
Noah Harris50 said:Whether you enjoy a movie or not doesn't determine its quality.

I could list plenty of great films that I personally can't stand because they just aren't my style or didn't resonate with me. Take a movie like *The Godfather*, for example. You can't argue that it isn't a masterpiece, yet I didn't enjoy it—I can't quite put my finger on why. On the flip side, an average flick might click with me perfectly for reasons even I don't fully grasp.

In my opinion, Lost in translation is just an average film. Honestly, I don't even particularly like it.

😕
So, what are these inexplicable reasons that allow you to intuitively connect with a film even when it isn't to your taste?😕 It certainly isn't frame composition or any other pedantic, technical "cinema as high art" metric. Those usually feel like pretentious nonsense to anyone who is already beyond needing such validation.😕
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
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joined Aug 2004
#248 ·
The movie is honestly great. It hits all the right notes
(aside from a few minor technical hiccups in the editing, I suppose).

Whether you actually enjoy it or not is just a matter of personal taste, I guess.

👋
Alex Rogers96 Alex Rogers96 Member
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joined Apr 2005
#249 ·
The film is excellent.
blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#250 ·
Nothing personal against the movie, but that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" line? It’s a cheap homage. And it’s wrong. Plain and simple. If you know your stuff, you’ll love it. If you don't, you'll love it too. But absolute truth exists. Relativism is just a joke. Let's not kid ourselves. Please, don't mess with me!
Noah Harris50 Noah Harris50 Active Member
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joined Mar 2007
#251 ·
blueranger12 said:No offense to the movie, but that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" line is just lazy. It's wrong. Plain and simple. If you know anything, you think it's good. If you don't, you think it's bad. There's an absolute truth out there, and this relativity crap is just a joke. Let's not kid ourselves. Seriously, stop playing games.

What a load of garbage!
even you managed to pull something like that? well... nobody's perfect. and you were getting pretty close.😢
blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#252 ·
Noah Harris50 said:What total nonsense!
Can you even pull stuff like that off? Well... nobody's perfect. And you were getting pretty close.😢

Okay, fine, maybe I’m exaggerating a bit. 😬 Sure, there’s a difference in how people see things, but sometimes folks justify loving garbage movies by claiming "it's subjective." So then I just throw some heavy rhetoric at them to snap them out of that bad taste. 🙂

Actually, you made a good point. There's a difference between a movie being good and a movie being liked. We're basically saying the same thing. 🤔 😁
Noah Harris50 Noah Harris50 Active Member
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joined Mar 2007
#253 ·
blueranger12 said:Alright, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit 😬 Sure, everyone's taste is different, but people love using "it's subjective" to justify watching absolute garbage. I just call them out on their bad taste to snap them out of it. 🙂

You're actually right, you're just distinguishing between how good a movie is versus how much you personally enjoy it. We're basically saying the same thing. 🤔 😁

Don't try to wiggle out of it now 🙂
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#254 ·
blueranger12 said:No offense to the movie, but that whole "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" line is just lazy. It’s wrong. You have good stuff—it appeals to people who actually know what they're looking at. You have bad stuff—it appeals to people who don't. Absolute truth exists; relativity is just a cop-out. Let's not play games here. Please, let's be real.

...so can someone who 'knows' actually enjoy something 'bad'?
...or can someone who 'doesn't know' actually enjoy something 'good'?...
Jeremy Bennett Jeremy Bennett Newcomer
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joined Apr 2004
#255 ·
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blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#256 ·
Jose Miller17 said:So, can someone who actually "knows" their stuff genuinely like something "bad"?
Can someone who "doesn't know any better" actually appreciate something "good"?

Interesting.
Oh, absolutely. It’s possible. Someone who actually gets it can love a terrible movie just because of the sentiment behind it. We’re really talking about the core of art here. Why do we even care about art? I recently watched that Bruce Willis flick with the kid. I know, I know—it’s a bad movie. But I didn't love it because it was a "movie." I loved what it was trying to say. Even if it missed the mark. Still, I much prefer the good stuff. The great films. They stay with you. They define your whole day, your whole week... forever.

And people who don't know anything? They won't like a good movie. Period. They just don't get what the director was trying to say. Maybe they'll like a hot actress or whatever. Who knows.
Noah Harris50 Noah Harris50 Active Member
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joined Mar 2007
#257 ·
blueranger12 said:Interesting take.
Sure, people can. Sometimes you love a garbage movie just because of the vibes. It hits on what art actually is—why we even care about it. I actually dug that Bruce Willis flick with the kid recently, even though it’s objectively trash. It wasn't so much the "movie" I liked, but the idea it was trying to sell. It didn't quite nail it, but still. Personally, I prefer the "good" stuff. Those are the ones that stick with you for days, weeks, forever.

If you don't get it, you aren't gonna appreciate greatness. Period. They miss the whole point of what the director was aiming for. Maybe they just like a hot actress or whatever. Who knows.


That's what I call: it just clicked. Even if it's total crap.
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#258 ·
blueranger12 said:Alright, maybe I'm being a bit dramatic 😬 Sure, taste is subjective, but people love using that excuse to justify watching absolute garbage. I just enjoy playing devil's advocate to see if I can nudge them toward having actual standards. 🙂

I don't think you could be more right if you tried (is that allowed 😁?)... the "I like it" category gets under people's skin because it’s basically a shield for ignorance. Film as an art form is constantly undervalued. Most people just rate movies based on gut feeling... film literacy is basically non-existent, and throwing out negative criticism is free. 😁 😁
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The difference between what someone likes and what is actually good is massive... even those people realize that much. 😁
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#259 ·
Brilliant movie. I actually avoided watching this one for a long time because of all the hype, but it turns out it’s exactly my kind of thing. The atmosphere is spot on—and honestly, the whole premise of two people who probably wouldn't have anything in common meeting up in Japan and truly clicking better than anyone else? That's top-tier for me. I've been reading through the comments here, and it feels a bit silly to complain about "banal" dialogue. Given the situation they're stuck in, wouldn't it make more sense for them to drift into trivial small talk rather than intense, deep debates? They just get each other—no heavy philosophy required. Sometimes the little things are enough.

And yeah, I've never understood the obsession with deep, philosophical conversations in movies. If we aren't talking about Einstein but just regular, average folks, I'm perfectly happy with everyday, average dialogue.
quietmason58 quietmason58 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2004
#260 ·
FILM IS EVERYTHING!!!!! I honestly can't tell you how many times I've watched it. I still have the DVD, so whenever I've had a few drinks and don't feel like heading out, I just settle in and really lean into that melancholy vibe...
hehehehe..Bill and Scarlett are just perfection...
and Sophia—bravo... those genes are something else :-)

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