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Justin Watson58 said:...which basically means I need some Baguazhang stuff for circular movements (like the 5 elements)... and... maybe some Xing Yi Quan for those straight-line strikes...

Look, there’s one drill for that—takes five minutes to learn. Grind it hard for two months, then just hit it for 10-30 minutes a day after that. It covers about 80% of what you're looking for...

...hehehe, I can smell a scam from a mile away...
...just kidding, tell me!...

Jamie Fowler2 said:I’ve got this drill I could teach you in like five minutes. You’d gotta grind it for maybe two months straight, then just ten or thirty minutes a day after that. It covers about 80% of what you’re looking for.

Don't listen to Jamie Fowler2, honestly. He doesn't have a clue. One time he actually claimed Bagua was just some Taoist meditation thing and wasn't even a martial art. His Chinese instructor had to set him straight right before Kuzman kicked him out of that shelter.
Kuzman is the kind of guy who once almost drugged Jamie Fowler2's little mentor. Total fraud, and a real jerk too.
Anyway, Bagua has everything Xingyi has and way more. But Jamie Fowler2 can't teach you any of that because, well, he just doesn't know it...

Justin Watson58 said:...hehehe, I can smell the deception...
...joke, tell me!...

there’s no deception here... Bagua was made by a guy named Bagua. And that's because real masters of Bagua make the sound "baaaaaa-gwaaaaaa" while they breathe 😬

but seriously. That one Baguazhang drill that actually matters? Walking in circles. Forget all the variations and extra stuff—just walking in circles is enough.

Jamie Fowler2 said:There’s no deception here... Bagua was created by a guy actually named Bagua. That's why. Because real masters of Bagua make the sound "baaaaaa-gwaaaaaa" while they breathe. 😬

But seriously. The single most valuable Baguazhang drill is walking in circles. Forget all the fancy variations and extra stuff. Just walking in circles is plenty.

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

...you heard him, Brandon Hayes73. Go ahead, top that...😂>

Jamie Fowler2 said:no joke... the whole bagua thing was made by a guy actually named Bagua. And honestly, real masters of bagua make that baaaaa-gwaaaaa sound while they breathe. 😬

but seriously though. That one baguazhang drill that's worth the most is just walking in circles. forget all the variations and stuff, just the walking in circles is plenty.

Forget the variations? That’s basically what your si fa is, right? What about sensitivity drills?
So, I guess you're some kind of bagua master since you know so much about it?

...look, Jet Li talked a lot about Bagua in his movies, and I have to hand it to him, he executes the moves pretty well. That final scene in *The One* was basically an idealized version of what a conflict between Bagua and Xing Yi looks like. It was clearly just the director’s way of packaging it for the masses—pure cinematic entertainment. Think of it like those "what if" scenarios you see in pop culture where reality takes a backseat to the spectacle...
...the stuff I saw on YouTube has absolutely nothing to do with Baguazhang...

Justin Watson58 said:...look, Jet Li talked a lot about Bagua in his movies, and I gotta admit—his execution is solid. That final scene in *The One* was basically a stylized version of the clash between Bagua and Xing Yi... which was clearly just the director’s way of selling some flashy action to the masses (sort of like an alternate reality movie where everything is exaggerated)...
...that stuff I saw on YouTube? Has absolutely NOTHING to do with actual Baguazhang...

Search for "BT's World of Baguazhang" on YouTube. It's actually worth a watch.

The movie is trash—honestly, most martial arts movies are total garbage 😬 Anyone who knows even a little bit about Chinese fighting history is gonna spot those random historical snippets they threw in... Side note though—during filming, Jet Li was moving through Bagua so fast the camera crew actually told him to slow down because he looked too unreal...😁

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3CJtAJg6FU

...Alright, here we go. This is what I call Baguazhang...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__wGJewQ-kc

...Now this is some decent Xing Yi, though even that isn't a pure Eight Hands technique...
...Watch until the end. The guy starts off slow, then picks up the pace normally...

Justin Watson58 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3CJtAJg6FU

...yeah, alright, here—this is what... I call Baguazhang...

Really? Like, if you actually asked him how to use any of those moves in a fight, he probably couldn't tell you anything.

But honestly, nobody even knows what Baguazhang actually is anyway :P though it might be similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf0YtbzuvoI

...Look, the point is the system is split like a torn playing card. You've got these puzzle pieces that supposedly make a whole, but they're just fragments...
...let your therapist explain that to you...
...the core of Chinese martial arts was simple: cleanliness + form + instinct = victory...
...forms exist to facilitate reaction...
...you might have perfect kung fu, but if it’s just good stances and attitude, it's incomplete. Then there’s another style that masters one specific movement—that's where the focus lies, since it started from a single form. Then a third style focuses on a different movement, also originating from its own single form...
...weapons are endless; there are hundreds of them. We're strictly talking about closed combat systems, which were the original concept for peak human self-defense...
...but the whole thing fell apart because it passed through too many hands...

Justin Watson58 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__wGJewQ-kc

...this is some decent Xing Yi, though still not pure Eight Palms technique...
...watch till the end—guy starts slow then hits normal speed...

If I'm not mistaken, that's Di Guoyong—the Hebei style master. Probably the most visible Xing Yi expert out there right now, maybe alongside Luo De Xiu.

The other two main Xing Yi styles (Shanxi and Henan) look pretty different from this one. One's way softer—the other is much more expansive and powerful.

Example of some damn good, orthodox Xing Yi (the Che family—basically falls under the Shanxi style, more or less)

Two core combat techniques (usually the first ones taught and practiced most):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddeD...elated&search=

Hard combined form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHl1FDpU5zA

Soft combined form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHl1FDpU5zA

Justin Watson58 said:...your point is that the system is fractured like a torn playing card; you have puzzle pieces that pretend to be a whole, but they’re just fragments...
...let Sance explain it to you...
...the core of Chinese martial arts was simple: precision + form + instinct = victory...
...forms exist to facilitate reaction...
...you might have one perfect kung fu technique, but it only offers good stances and posture. Then there’s another that excels in one specific movement—that’s where the focus lies. Then there’s a third that’s perfect for a different motion. Each was originally just a single, focused form...
...there are hundreds of weapons out there. We are talking about a closed combat system, which was the original concept of peak human self-defense...
...but it all fell apart because it passed through too many hands...

Jack of all trades... master of none! 👎

Jerry Thompson said:Jack of all trades, master of none. That’s the truth. Everyone wants to be an expert in one thing, but they miss the bigger picture. I'd rather know a little about everything than know one thing perfectly and be useless everywhere else. It's about versatility. Most people are too narrow-minded to see that. 👎

I'm with you there. In my book, you can't call yourself a master unless you've got at least 20 years of dirt under your fingernails practicing that one skill. Anything less is just playing around.
It’s pretty sad, really. If someone actually decides to set a decency limit, then fine—the post won't be about me. Problem solved.
...but I’m sticking to my guns on what I said before. I'm staying with that claim because I KNOW it's the truth.

Question: What is the actual, realistic price for a Pride bull? $100 It seems way too high to me—honestly, I can't quite wrap my head around it.

Justin Watson58 said:...and I believe a true master needs at least 20 years of dedicated practice in their craft...
...now, if someone decides to lower the age requirement, then this doesn't apply to me...
...but I’m sticking to my guns because I KNOW that’s how it works...

Fair enough. You can't really lecture me since I haven't been training martial arts as long as you have. Only 11 years under my belt. But even after 30 years of training—which is a lifetime—you can still freeze up in a real scrap if you lack street experience. Unless, of course, that person is chasing technical perfection and pure self-satisfaction, which, honestly, makes more sense to me! 👍
( don't post anything on the blog! 😢 )

Jerry Thompson said:( You aren't even writing anything on the blog! 😢 )

...Look, I'm no novelist. This blog is basically a research paper. I said it would be released publicly later, but then I went ahead and posted it immediately because someone asked for it. Just give me a break here...

Jamie Fowler2 said:mda? and you probably couldn't even tell me how any of those moves actually work in a real fight anyway.

Anyway, nobody really knows what Baguazhang is even about :P but it might be something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf0YtbzuvoI

First time I've heard Jamie Fowler2 say something that actually makes sense. That video above is just some Wushu gymnast doing Ba Gua stuff, it doesn't have much to do with actual Ba Gua Chang forms. Same goes for the forms Jamie Fowler2 mentioned—they look like Xingyi forms, but they don't really connect to Xingyi since he probably doesn't even get what they're for...

Jamie Fowler2 said:If I'm not mistaken, that's Guoyong—total master of the Hebei style. Right now, he’s probably the biggest name in Xing Yi, maybe just alongside Luo De Xiu.

The two main styles of Xing Yi—the Shanxi and Henan versions—look pretty different from this one. One’s way softer, I guess. The other is much more explosive and powerful.

Here's an example of some damn good, old-school Xing Yi—the Che family style, more or less.

There are two main combat techniques—usually the first ones you learn and the ones you drill the most:
I guess this video might be worth a look if you have some time. Maybe.

Hardcore combo style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHl1FDpU5zA

mixed format:
Since you only provided a link without any accompanying text, I can't rewrite anything for you yet. Drop the text you want me to work on whenever you're ready. I'll keep it quick and chill.

Man, these doctors... they can be so damn stubborn when they think they're the smartest people in the room. I guess. 🤣

George Martin70 said:For once, Jamie Fowler2 actually said something smart. What’s shown above is just some Wu Shu gymnast doing Bagua moves. It has nothing to do with actual Bagua Chang forms. Same goes for Caine's forms—they look like Xingyi, but they aren't Xingyi because Caine doesn't even know what they're for...

...and Jet Li does the exact same thing with that Bagua form...😕