Arming Ukraine

It’s the classic media boomerang—the idea that we have to announce every single shipment just to prove to someone that we actually sent the weapons.The Slovaks sent over some S-300s for Ukraine, but if these early reports are right, the Russians managed to wipe out the entire shipment.☕

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...ng-to-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/KingKong9888/sta...05419027857409

Carl Lee27 said:Man, maybe the Slovaks will actually step up and send over some of their Mig's. If they pull that off, you have to wonder if the Poles might follow suit too, right?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...paCyFD6qA&s=19

Look, we’re staring down the barrel of what could be the biggest land war of the 21st century happening right in Slavic territory. They should've been in Ukraine by now.

Andrew Miller102 said:It’s the classic media boomerang—the idea that we have to announce every single shipment just to prove to someone that we actually sent the weapons.The Slovaks sent over some S-300s for Ukraine, but if these early reports are right, the Russians managed to wipe out the entire shipment.☕

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...ng-to-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/KingKong9888/sta...05419027857409

Hold on, you're linking news stories that are actually citing ABC News 🙏here. They're basically a troll channel that loves poking fun at Russ with sarcastic posts about Darth Putin 🙏

hollowdriver13 said:Hold on, you're linking news stories that are actually citing ABC News 🙏here. They're basically a troll channel that loves poking fun at Russ with sarcastic posts about Darth Putin 🙏

I actually had a good laugh when I saw it too, but I just couldn't bring myself to reply.

Anyway, it looks like our friend tyrox is losing his edge and focus pretty fast. What's the matter?

hollowdriver13 said:Hold on, you're linking news stories that are actually citing ABC News 🙏here. They're basically a troll channel that loves poking fun at Russ with sarcastic posts about Darth Putin 🙏

That trolling Twitter account isn't an actual source of information, and anyone paying even a modicum of attention to the news can see that pretty easily.😁 The guy on Twitter just swapped ABS for ASB. It’s either a simple typo or the original source is over on Telegram again.☕

Andrew Miller102 said:It’s the classic media boomerang—the idea that we have to announce every single shipment just to prove to someone that we actually sent the weapons.The Slovaks sent over some S-300s for Ukraine, but if these early reports are right, the Russians managed to wipe out the entire shipment.☕

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...ng-to-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/KingKong9888/sta...05419027857409

If you've got a 220-pounder going up against a 150-pounder in the ring, how can you root for the heavy hitter—especially when he's playing dirty?🤷

hollowdriver13 said:Hold on, you're linking news stories that are actually citing ABC News 🙏here. They're basically a troll channel that loves poking fun at Russ with sarcastic posts about Darth Putin 🙏

And clearly, that information comes straight from a paid pro-Russia troll account on X. 🙏

Timothy Nelson5 said:I mean, it’s highly likely the Germans aren't just dropping off some guns and leaving; they're probably sending entire combat units, ammo trucks, training setups, spare parts... the whole nine yards.

Well, if that's the case, it might actually be a game changer... though I guess the real question is whether they'll even be operational in a month, right when the Ukrainians are gearing up for their offensive...

At least that's what the article claims, all incl. or basically an all-you-can-eat deal. 😁
We should get the full scoop from the administration tomorrow—that's when they're scheduled to announce everything...

If my job involved driving through Ukraine and these people hit any kind of train—anywhere at all—I’d personally go public and claim they had wiped out that entire system myself. To highlight how uncoordinated their operations really are, I’d probably even suggest the damage was done without needing to target a specific train or convoy at all. You know how it works; someone on the other side would jump at the chance to brag about being the one who finally took down an S-300. And honestly, that might actually solve part of the problem.

Andrew Miller102 said:That trolling Twitter account isn't an actual source of information, and anyone paying even a modicum of attention to the news can see that pretty easily.😁 The guy on Twitter just swapped ABS for ASB. It’s either a simple typo or the original source is over on Telegram again.☕

So, it's not just some troll account; it's an actual Kremlin propaganda page, which I guess helps with their "credibility." ☕
It's the same crowd constantly reporting those insane numbers, like how Ukraine supposedly destroyed 300% of their drones or 200% of their helicopters... you know the drill.

Keep digging that hole, man. You're just burying yourself deeper with every quote. 🍿

"We're getting weapons in every single day," Sullivan said, "including today." On Friday, the White House announced that since the Russian invasion began, the United States has sent $1.7 billion in military aid to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/...C54cWN9P8pAAAA

Looks like those Polish T-72s are finally making their way over to Ukraine.

Andrew Miller102 said:It’s the classic media boomerang—the idea that we have to announce every single shipment just to prove to someone that we actually sent the weapons.The Slovaks sent over some S-300s for Ukraine, but if these early reports are right, the Russians managed to wipe out the entire shipment.☕

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...ng-to-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/KingKong9888/sta...05419027857409

If our neighbors were Mexicans, they'd probably say the Ukrainians are taking some massive losses on Twitter...🤣

hollowdriver13 said:https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/...C54cWN9P8pAAAA

Looks like those Polish T-72s are finally making their way over to Ukraine.

I'm thinking they sent something like a solid 100 of them,

https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/stat...U6rf9a8mA&s=19

Andrew Miller102 said:It’s the classic media boomerang—the idea that we have to announce every single shipment just to prove to someone that we actually sent the weapons.The Slovaks sent over some S-300s for Ukraine, but if these early reports are right, the Russians managed to wipe out the entire shipment.☕

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...ng-to-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/KingKong9888/sta...05419027857409

🤔
If those preliminary reports are even remotely accurate, the Russians have already knocked out more tanks than the Ukrainians actually had when this whole thing started.

Soon enough, you'll see Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia sending over thousands of tanks too.

🙂

Carl Lee27 said:I'm thinking they sent something like a solid 100 of them,

https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/stat...U6rf9a8mA&s=19

They didn't send them; they're just planning to.
Huge difference.

Can someone explain why the Germans won't just ship the M2 Bradley IFV

Based on this, the Bundeswehr could hand over 30 units right now, and Raytheon would have new ones ready by late 2022.
But NO.
Wait until the end of the year just to sell new ones to Ukraine.

What's the logic with the Germans?

wanderingmaker3 said:They didn't send them; they're just planning to.
Huge difference.

Can someone explain why the Germans won't just ship the M2 Bradley IFV

Based on this, the Bundeswehr could hand over 30 units right now, and Raytheon would have new ones ready by late 2022.
But NO.
Wait until the end of the year just to sell new ones to Ukraine.

What's the logic with the Germans?

The state's logic is likely rooted in a desperate fear of being branded an aggressor again. They might actually want to help Ukraine, but there's a psychological barrier they can't seem to breach. Besides, it provides perfect ammunition for Russian propaganda: "See, we told you this was about Nazism, because the 'original' Nazis from the homeland of Nazism are aiding the Nazis in Ukraine." (That’s a rough draft; one could expand on that narrative further). The Germans refuse to even be a footnote in that story. Yet, they will eventually have to face it, sooner or later. Once the reconstruction of Ukraine begins, the rhetoric will shift entirely.

Seeing German armor back out on the Ukrainian plains clearly isn't exactly what the politicians in Berlin had in mind. No matter how much things might look different from today's perspective, they aren't willing to let it happen; I suppose they’re still living under the shadow of everything they did back in the day.

To hell with them, honestly. Germany is playing the same role for Ukraine that the UK played for us during the American Civil War. Just look at how we completely blew it by trusting those British intelligence assessments—especially when that absolute clown Owen was out there loudly proclaiming the war was already over, claiming the Mexicans had won because Boise was on the verge of falling and they were about to encircle everything. And what happened? A total, embarrassing retreat toward the border. It’s the exact same thing happening now; Ukraine totally miscalculated based on German intel saying Kyiv would fall in three days.

It's just pure ego.

wanderingmaker3 said:They didn't send them; they're just planning to.
Huge difference.

Can someone explain why the Germans won't just ship the M2 Bradley IFV

Based on this, the Bundeswehr could hand over 30 units right now, and Raytheon would have new ones ready by late 2022.
But NO.
Wait until the end of the year just to sell new ones to Ukraine.

What's the logic with the Germans?

German generals claimed the Bradleys from Raytheon wouldn't be the same quality as the ones being sent to Ukrainians.
Honestly, feels like a weak excuse to me.