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driftingcrane27 driftingcrane27 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2019
#61 ·
So, I'm basically in the middle of packing up my life to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend. It’s family land we're looking at... honestly, it's been maybe 20 years since I was there as a kid, but the second I pulled up, I just had this feeling that "this is it." We've been chipping away at the costs for a few years now using savings—staying completely debt-free, which feels great—just making sure everything turns out exactly how we pictured it. We even snagged a decent plot of land nearby for a total steal. Look, I get it, rural living isn't everyone's cup of tea. But for me? I want this with my whole heart, and I think anyone else who feels that same pull would too. I can't wrap my head around the idea that there are "no opportunities" out there; it really just depends on what you're actually looking for and what your priorities are. If you need everything delivered to your doorstep in twenty minutes, yeah, the sticks are going to be a struggle. But as someone who's spent their entire life grinding in the city, I can tell you that the peace you find out there... being constantly active in nature, that literal connection to the earth—which is huge for your health, by the way—growing your own food and having that sense of independence... you can't trade that for anything, regardless of the inconveniences. If you truly want to make the move, and if your heart skips a beat just thinking about it, then there's no doubt it's the right path for you. Just one piece of advice: don't mistake moving to the country for running away from the city. They sound similar, but the intention behind them is worlds apart. You've got my full support. Just go for it. 👍
Paul Rogers94 Paul Rogers94 Active Member
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joined Apr 2022
#62 ·
Quote : art with Heart
Thomas Nelson25 said:But what if those phantom projections were actually just a stage of evolution?

I feel like every philosophy out there... is just an author projecting their own version of the world based on their ideas.

The most basic level is just... meeting needs and satisfying them.
Then there's the whole thing where Western society basically manufactures neurotics... or whatever.

What evolution? Give me just one single example from the entire history of all species. I’m not exactly denying obvious biological adaptations to certain environments—that's a different thing entirely—but that has nothing to do with evolution. Despite the massive spread of technology, we’re still living in a strictly slave-based society where this concept called "labor" remains a top-tier "human" value...
I might eventually accept self-awareness as a defining evolutionary milestone—something that sets the human race apart from everything else—assuming we even reached that stage to begin with. But the true evolutionary leap? That would be the ability to break free from it... which, honestly, seems like a strictly individual experience.
So, if we’re supposed to believe everything kicked off with a Big Bang and just linearly evolved—moving from single-celled organisms to amphibians, then vertebrates, all leading up to a monkey turning into a human—then the whole thing is just a load of nonsense...
Species show up exactly as they are and vanish just as abruptly—there’s no gradual evolution, no layering, not even any biological blending between different kinds. And humans? We're just one species among many. We'll exit the stage exactly the way we entered it, despite all our self-importance... it seems species have an expiration date just like any individual does.
So, evolution is just one of those dominant paradigms we use to try and make sense of the reality we live in—just as meaningless as any other framework, really... since the nature of reality itself is designed to remain forever out of reach.
We can keep believing whatever nonsense pops into our heads—it’s nothing more than an atavistic form of magical thinking, really... just another entry in the catalog of collective delusions. It’s human nature to cling to these illusions, sure—but it’s equally human to cast them aside. That’s the only true evolution—the only real leap forward in "progress."

I’ve lived in both rural towns and major cities, and honestly—there isn't much of a difference once you have money and don't owe anyone anything. If you're completely broke and struggling just to exist, nowhere is going to feel "good." People think moving from the city to the countryside—or vice versa—is some magical fix for their existential crises, but that’s nonsense. Every option has its pros and cons, but movement alone doesn't solve your problems; it's usually just a byproduct of solving them. If I were loaded, I’d live out in the sticks... maybe closer to nature. As it stands, I live wherever I can afford. Fate decided my current reality should be an upscale neighborhood in Chicago, surrounded by nothing but brutal, mindless stupidity. Still, change is always possible—and welcome—even if every move I make is forced rather than chosen. You’d need a massive bank account to live exactly where and how you want, but there’s no sign of that appearing on the horizon for this lifetime. Then again, reality is unpredictable... and miracles happen.
mistybison mistybison Regular
495 messages
joined Aug 2008
#63 ·
Matthew Gomez2 said:Hello everyone. Lately, I’ve been distilling my various life phases into one singular direction, and I wanted to put it out there to get some perspective from those who might know better. 😉

I’ve walked away from college entirely.
I’ve deleted all my social media accounts for good.
I’ve cut ties with about 99% of people, leaving just my girlfriend and my parents.
I’ve bought over a hundred books on psychology and philosophy with the intention of deepening my self-understanding—fields I’ve always had an affinity for.
I’ve dedicated myself to daily reflection, thinking through how to decouple myself from the machine as much as possible.
I’ve embraced minimalism (getting rid of about 80% of my wardrobe, sticking to a specific diet, and refusing to spend money unless it's absolutely necessary).
I’ve started learning the ropes of investing and building passive income streams that could eventually overtake my primary income once I leave my current job.
The plan is to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend and live a quiet life, far removed from the noise of shallow people and the frantic pace of modern life.
I’ve replaced all my bad habits with ones that actually hold value.

Am I being realistic here, or have I completely sabotaged my future? Does this kind of mindset actually lead anywhere?

To be fair, if someone else had made these moves overnight, it would have been catastrophic. But I didn't just snap; I spent a long time sharpening my blade before I finally cut everything loose. Because of that, none of this feels overwhelming. In fact, after a long period of sleepwalking, indulgence,
and believing in fairy tales, I feel incredibly awake and driven.

A little story to wrap this up:

There was a man living in a coastal town who would spend his mornings fishing and selling his catch, his afternoons working on personal projects, and his evenings sitting by the beach with his wife and kids, drinking wine and playing the guitar.

One day, an American businessman arrived. He noticed the fisherman and approached him, asking if he could offer some advice.

The man agreed, and the American said, "I can help you significantly increase your sales. You could buy more boats and gear, hire a few employees, eventually move to a major city to start a firm, and ultimately end up in New York City running several global companies."

The man simply asked, "And how long would that take?"

"Well, maybe twenty or twenty-five years," the businessman replied.

The man asked, "And then what?"

The businessman answered, "Then you'll be able to fish in the mornings, work on yourself in the afternoons, and spend your evenings by the beach with your family, drinking wine and playing the guitar."

That resonates deeply with me. I’ve taken it to heart. What is the point of grinding every single day for someone else just to satisfy the emotional whims of others, or to remain enslaved to our own habits and useless clutter?
Establishing a meaningful existence is actually quite simple; it just requires the discipline to understand what a human being is truly meant for.

Why wait to actually live your life when you already know what you want and realize most of what the world chases isn't even real?

Thanks for reading. I'm open to any thoughts—whether it's practical advice on setting up a life in rural America or suggestions on what kind of work I should pursue.

I hope no one finds this topic out of place here, but to me, this is fundamentally about spirituality, self-discovery, and shattering the illusions of what we think is real versus what is just a fantasy of the mind.😵

It takes time to determine whether a decision was truly the right one. We often find certain paths or lifestyles incredibly tempting—as if they were tailor-made for us—only to realize later through experience that reality rarely aligns with our imagination. We don't always know ourselves as well as we think we do. Furthermore, people evolve; what fits your personality today might be entirely different ten years from now. Given that you seem quite young, likely in your early twenties, you have plenty of room to experiment and pivot if you discover this new direction isn't what you expected.🙂
frozengull2 frozengull2 Active Member
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joined Feb 2015
#64 ·
Just wanted to drop one quick thought here: we all evolve when life throws us curveballs, whether we actually like those challenges or not. It’s all about how you play your cards—if you approach things with some actual "strategy," that’s basically what spirituality is all about.

It's a far cry from just running away to go on some "permanent vacation"—you know, that whole vibe where people talk about just checking out, zoning out, or going fishing somewhere to hide from reality.

There's a massive difference between putting in the work and just being lazy or looking for shortcuts.

You really have to sit down, think hard, and question your own motives. Honestly, it’s tough for me because I have a tendency to lie to myself sometimes, always taking the path of least resistance... it's a bad habit. But once you face that, then you can make a real decision.

Best,
Frank Baker3 Frank Baker3 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2021
#65 ·
In a purely abstract sense, you missed the mark here; maybe it’s time to head back to civilization and call it a day. Given how much you seem to be second-guessing yourself and looking for excuses, it’s pretty clear you made the wrong call.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#66 ·
Matthew Gomez2 said:Hello everyone. Lately, I’ve been distilling my various life phases into one singular direction, and I wanted to put it out there to get some perspective from those who might know better. 😉

I’ve walked away from college entirely.
I’ve deleted all my social media accounts for good.
I’ve cut ties with about 99% of people, leaving just my girlfriend and my parents.
I’ve bought over a hundred books on psychology and philosophy with the intention of deepening my self-understanding—fields I’ve always had an affinity for.
I’ve dedicated myself to daily reflection, thinking through how to decouple myself from the machine as much as possible.
I’ve embraced minimalism (getting rid of about 80% of my wardrobe, sticking to a specific diet, and refusing to spend money unless it's absolutely necessary).
I’ve started learning the ropes of investing and building passive income streams that could eventually overtake my primary income once I leave my current job.
The plan is to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend and live a quiet life, far removed from the noise of shallow people and the frantic pace of modern life.
I’ve replaced all my bad habits with ones that actually hold value.

Am I being realistic here, or have I completely sabotaged my future? Does this kind of mindset actually lead anywhere?

To be fair, if someone else had made these moves overnight, it would have been catastrophic. But I didn't just snap; I spent a long time sharpening my blade before I finally cut everything loose. Because of that, none of this feels overwhelming. In fact, after a long period of sleepwalking, indulgence,
and believing in fairy tales, I feel incredibly awake and driven.

A little story to wrap this up:

There was a man living in a coastal town who would spend his mornings fishing and selling his catch, his afternoons working on personal projects, and his evenings sitting by the beach with his wife and kids, drinking wine and playing the guitar.

One day, an American businessman arrived. He noticed the fisherman and approached him, asking if he could offer some advice.

The man agreed, and the American said, "I can help you significantly increase your sales. You could buy more boats and gear, hire a few employees, eventually move to a major city to start a firm, and ultimately end up in New York City running several global companies."

The man simply asked, "And how long would that take?"

"Well, maybe twenty or twenty-five years," the businessman replied.

The man asked, "And then what?"

The businessman answered, "Then you'll be able to fish in the mornings, work on yourself in the afternoons, and spend your evenings by the beach with your family, drinking wine and playing the guitar."

That resonates deeply with me. I’ve taken it to heart. What is the point of grinding every single day for someone else just to satisfy the emotional whims of others, or to remain enslaved to our own habits and useless clutter?
Establishing a meaningful existence is actually quite simple; it just requires the discipline to understand what a human being is truly meant for.

Why wait to actually live your life when you already know what you want and realize most of what the world chases isn't even real?

Thanks for reading. I'm open to any thoughts—whether it's practical advice on setting up a life in rural America or suggestions on what kind of work I should pursue.

I hope no one finds this topic out of place here, but to me, this is fundamentally about spirituality, self-discovery, and shattering the illusions of what we think is real versus what is just a fantasy of the mind.😵


The second you start caring about what other people think, you're nowhere near actual happiness. Like, nowhere. You aren't even on the right path. You're miles from the goal.

Real happiness kicks in the moment you stop giving a damn about what people think—you know, when you don't feel this desperate need to broadcast your wins just to find some witness to validate your life.

Honestly, hardly anyone would bother climbing the Himalayas if they knew they’d never get the credit for it.
Frank Baker3 Frank Baker3 Newcomer
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#67 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:The second you start caring about what other people think, you're nowhere near actual happiness. Like, nowhere. You aren't even on the right path. You're miles from the goal.

Real happiness kicks in the moment you stop giving a damn about what people think—you know, when you don't feel this desperate need to broadcast your wins just to find some witness to validate your life.

Honestly, hardly anyone would bother climbing the Himalayas if they knew they’d never get the credit for it.

bemti, this hits home; it’s the honest truth, and I couldn't agree more.
wireddrifter29 wireddrifter29 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2021
#68 ·
Matthew Gomez2 said:Hello everyone. Lately, I’ve been distilling my various life phases into one singular direction, and I wanted to put it out there to get some perspective from those who might know better. 😉

I’ve walked away from college entirely.
I’ve deleted all my social media accounts for good.
I’ve cut ties with about 99% of people, leaving just my girlfriend and my parents.
I’ve bought over a hundred books on psychology and philosophy with the intention of deepening my self-understanding—fields I’ve always had an affinity for.
I’ve dedicated myself to daily reflection, thinking through how to decouple myself from the machine as much as possible.
I’ve embraced minimalism (getting rid of about 80% of my wardrobe, sticking to a specific diet, and refusing to spend money unless it's absolutely necessary).
I’ve started learning the ropes of investing and building passive income streams that could eventually overtake my primary income once I leave my current job.
The plan is to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend and live a quiet life, far removed from the noise of shallow people and the frantic pace of modern life.
I’ve replaced all my bad habits with ones that actually hold value.

Am I being realistic here, or have I completely sabotaged my future? Does this kind of mindset actually lead anywhere?

To be fair, if someone else had made these moves overnight, it would have been catastrophic. But I didn't just snap; I spent a long time sharpening my blade before I finally cut everything loose. Because of that, none of this feels overwhelming. In fact, after a long period of sleepwalking, indulgence,
and believing in fairy tales, I feel incredibly awake and driven.

A little story to wrap this up:

There was a man living in a coastal town who would spend his mornings fishing and selling his catch, his afternoons working on personal projects, and his evenings sitting by the beach with his wife and kids, drinking wine and playing the guitar.

One day, an American businessman arrived. He noticed the fisherman and approached him, asking if he could offer some advice.

The man agreed, and the American said, "I can help you significantly increase your sales. You could buy more boats and gear, hire a few employees, eventually move to a major city to start a firm, and ultimately end up in New York City running several global companies."

The man simply asked, "And how long would that take?"

"Well, maybe twenty or twenty-five years," the businessman replied.

The man asked, "And then what?"

The businessman answered, "Then you'll be able to fish in the mornings, work on yourself in the afternoons, and spend your evenings by the beach with your family, drinking wine and playing the guitar."

That resonates deeply with me. I’ve taken it to heart. What is the point of grinding every single day for someone else just to satisfy the emotional whims of others, or to remain enslaved to our own habits and useless clutter?
Establishing a meaningful existence is actually quite simple; it just requires the discipline to understand what a human being is truly meant for.

Why wait to actually live your life when you already know what you want and realize most of what the world chases isn't even real?

Thanks for reading. I'm open to any thoughts—whether it's practical advice on setting up a life in rural America or suggestions on what kind of work I should pursue.

I hope no one finds this topic out of place here, but to me, this is fundamentally about spirituality, self-discovery, and shattering the illusions of what we think is real versus what is just a fantasy of the mind.😵

You are. Briefly, answer these questions so I can confirm:
1. When you left school, what was the plan? What was the reason? What was the goal?
2. Why did you wipe all your social media? What was the master plan there? What were you actually aiming for?
3. Why cut ties with 99% of people? What was the strategy? What was the end goal?
4. Why on earth do you think reading 100 psychology books is going to help you achieve self-discovery?
5. In what specific way does this system force you into a state of servitude?
6. Did you turn minimalist because your standard of living tanked? Or is it just because you feel more comfortable lugging the same few items everywhere you go?
7. Is this about crypto investments, perhaps? Why do you honestly believe gambling is a reliable source of passive income?
8. Life in the countryside moves much faster than in the city; the day starts at 5 AM and you’re in bed early because out there, everything falls on you. The house won't clean itself, nor will the garden or the orchard. If you decide to save money on groceries one day, you'll have to get livestock—and once you have animals, you can't just travel whenever you want because they depend on you daily. How are you supposed to find the time to manage crypto portfolios and passive income streams when you're forced to live faster and sleep earlier?
9. Why do you assume the habits you're chasing now are somehow superior to the ones you've had until now?

Look, if it isn't too much trouble, answer these questions. Otherwise, my take is that you're running away from life for two main reasons. First, if you want to truly know yourself, sitting at home reading some scientific "nonsense" isn't going to tell you anything. You need to travel to encounter various situations and be forced out of your comfort zone—a zone I suspect you're trying to deepen even further. I believe that's why you're withdrawing from society and acting antisocially; life is trying to push you out of your bubble, while you're desperately clinging to it. Everything you've written seems like an escape from responsibility and the unknown. Nobody ever found themselves by hiding in some dive bar and spending years reading definitions. People who actually wanted to understand themselves opened themselves up to the world and traveled to experience enough variety to finally recognize their own patterns of behavior.

The second reason I think you're running is that you're looking for shortcuts to minimize responsibility—like investing in crypto, which functions just like a casino... probably because you don't feel like working, or maybe simply because there aren't many jobs left for your skill set, in which case I understand why you aren't willing to invest in a career.

If this is the life you think will make you happy, I can only say that I see a deeply unhappy man in your future. Then again, maybe this is the kind of journey you need to see how the world actually works. Just be careful; if things don't pan out exactly as you've imagined, it might be nearly impossible to dig yourself out of the hole you're digging. I hope your parents are still around to bail you out if things go south, because most people don't have that luxury. 😉
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#69 ·
wireddrifter29 said:You are. Briefly, answer these questions so I can confirm:
1. When you left school, what was the plan? What was the reason? What was the goal?
2. Why did you wipe all your social media? What was the master plan there? What were you actually aiming for?
3. Why cut ties with 99% of people? What was the strategy? What was the end goal?
4. Why on earth do you think reading 100 psychology books is going to help you achieve self-discovery?
5. In what specific way does this system force you into a state of servitude?
6. Did you turn minimalist because your standard of living tanked? Or is it just because you feel more comfortable lugging the same few items everywhere you go?
7. Is this about crypto investments, perhaps? Why do you honestly believe gambling is a reliable source of passive income?
8. Life in the countryside moves much faster than in the city; the day starts at 5 AM and you’re in bed early because out there, everything falls on you. The house won't clean itself, nor will the garden or the orchard. If you decide to save money on groceries one day, you'll have to get livestock—and once you have animals, you can't just travel whenever you want because they depend on you daily. How are you supposed to find the time to manage crypto portfolios and passive income streams when you're forced to live faster and sleep earlier?
9. Why do you assume the habits you're chasing now are somehow superior to the ones you've had until now?

Look, if it isn't too much trouble, answer these questions. Otherwise, my take is that you're running away from life for two main reasons. First, if you want to truly know yourself, sitting at home reading some scientific "nonsense" isn't going to tell you anything. You need to travel to encounter various situations and be forced out of your comfort zone—a zone I suspect you're trying to deepen even further. I believe that's why you're withdrawing from society and acting antisocially; life is trying to push you out of your bubble, while you're desperately clinging to it. Everything you've written seems like an escape from responsibility and the unknown. Nobody ever found themselves by hiding in some dive bar and spending years reading definitions. People who actually wanted to understand themselves opened themselves up to the world and traveled to experience enough variety to finally recognize their own patterns of behavior.

The second reason I think you're running is that you're looking for shortcuts to minimize responsibility—like investing in crypto, which functions just like a casino... probably because you don't feel like working, or maybe simply because there aren't many jobs left for your skill set, in which case I understand why you aren't willing to invest in a career.

If this is the life you think will make you happy, I can only say that I see a deeply unhappy man in your future. Then again, maybe this is the kind of journey you need to see how the world actually works. Just be careful; if things don't pan out exactly as you've imagined, it might be nearly impossible to dig yourself out of the hole you're digging. I hope your parents are still around to bail you out if things go south, because most people don't have that luxury. 😉

Hey, don't go giving the guy an existential crisis.

It's not that big of a deal. He could end up broke and living on welfare. There's nothing scary about that—unless, obviously, you live for what other people think of you.

Look, if you've got food in your belly and a roof over your head, you're set. Realistically—honestly—we don't even need more than that.

And there’s zero shame in just not wanting to grind all day. If anything, it's better. This planet would be a way more chill place to live if 99% of the population wasn't obsessed with hoarding stuff just to flex on their neighbors. It's just this endless, hellish cycle where we basically end up enslaving ourselves.
Sarah Ross21 Sarah Ross21 Active Member
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joined Jul 2021
#70 ·
I was catching up with an old acquaintance today, and honestly, I think he’s actually figured it all out. He bought a house 16 miles outside of Austin with his wife and kids, and they’re pouring everything they have into renovating it. They live off the land out there—he’s got a massive plot, a greenhouse, and grows just about all their food because he’s obsessed with being self-sufficient. They don't even own a TV, and cell service is basically non-existent unless you stand in one specific spot.

It’s pretty clear to me now that the guy deals with PTSD, and this lifestyle is his way of finding some peace.

He works as a house painter and makes decent money. Like, really solid money—which just goes to show you can make a living without a college degree.

The bottom line is he’s happy, and from what I hear, his family (I think he has four kids) is happy too. He finds genuine satisfaction in the dirt and the work. Between the manual labor and spending his afternoons outdoors, he’s definitely leaned out, but he looks much healthier than he did xx years ago when I last saw him. All in all, he's doing alright.
wireddrifter29 wireddrifter29 Newcomer
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#71 ·
Quote : art with Heart
ruggedhawk20 said:Hey, don't go giving the guy an existential crisis.

It's not that big of a deal. He could end up broke and living on welfare. There's nothing scary about that—unless, obviously, you live for what other people think of you.

Look, if you've got food in your belly and a roof over your head, you're set. Realistically—honestly—we don't even need more than that.

And there’s zero shame in just not wanting to grind all day. If anything, it's better. This planet would be a way more chill place to live if 99% of the population wasn't obsessed with hoarding stuff just to flex on their neighbors. It's just this endless, hellish cycle where we basically end up enslaving ourselves.

I grew up straddling two worlds—part city kid, part rural transplant. I spent my early years out in the sticks with my parents, right next door to my grandparents who kept an eye on us kids while Mom and Dad were working. There was no daycare or preschool back then; you just relied on family. So, when I talk about rural life, I actually know what I’m talking about. People tend to have this incredibly unrealistic, romanticized view of living out in the country. The reality? The biggest headache is the complete lack of decent options. Whether you need specific goods or essential services—like reliable healthcare—everything is a massive trek away. You end up burning through gas just as fast as someone living in downtown Chicago, if not more. And don't even get me started on late autumn and winter. It's brutal. Between the flooding, the mud, and the heavy snow, a standard sedan is basically useless. To make matters worse, the local county road crews aren't exactly known for their lightning-fast snow removal.

I work with a man who went through this exact scenario with his wife. Once the kids arrived, they hit a breaking point. They realized that lifestyle just wasn't sustainable—the overhead was astronomical because everything was so isolated. They had to handle every little thing themselves, and he found he had zero time left to actually focus on the business that pays the bills. So, they liquidated everything and moved back to the city.

People raised in big cities often fall into the same trap: they fail to look far enough ahead. They romanticize rural life as this grand escape, purely because they lack any actual experience with what that lifestyle entails. In their heads, it’s all idyllic—a total fairytale. Then, once they actually make the move, reality hits them like a freight train, shattering those illusions almost immediately. As for the author, from what I can gather, he’s someone who hasn't quite found his footing in life yet. He’s looking for shortcuts. It seems to me that moving to the countryside feels like a natural progression for him only because his expectations for life are plummeting. It looks like a classic case of a man retreating from society before he’s even bothered to prepare the ground.

So, he claims he doesn't know who he is, so he goes out and buys a mountain of psychology books to "find himself." Honestly? He’s never going to find himself that way. I’ve laid out my reasoning, but it’s simple: when someone just retreats from life, nothing actually happens to force them out of their comfort zone. They aren't taking responsibility for their actions or facing the consequences that follow every choice they make regarding a new situation. One might argue that his decision to move out to some rural town in Montana is a response to his current circumstances, but it isn't. Looking at his writing, it's clear he's simply lowering his expectations of life. He’s automatically pivoting toward a bare-minimum existence. That is never a valid reason for change; rather, it’s a massive red flag that he’s sinking deeper into depression.

Look, I’m no psychologist or psychiatrist, but let's just say I know exactly what I'm talking about here. If someone has actually built a career, laid down the groundwork for their next few years, sat down with their partner to hash it all out, and genuinely knows what they want from a transition—then they're ready. This isn't about that mindset where you think, "I'll just buy a hundred self-help books to finally figure out who I am." No. That person has already done the work. They haven't just collected books on identity; they've actually lived through the stages of life required to understand who they truly are and what they want.

The individual in question seems to be navigating some kind of crisis—perhaps even an existential one—given his increasingly antisocial tendencies. Now, I’ll be the first to admit that I love my solitude; I crave quiet and isolation. I’m a heavy introvert. But there is a massive difference between being an introvert and being antisocial, a distinction people constantly fail to grasp. I’ve lived this. I dropped out during my final year of college and wiped my entire social media presence off the face of the earth over six years ago. My goal wasn't to hide, but to dial down the social noise. Constant engagement was mentally draining me to the point where I couldn't focus on what actually matters. As an introvert, I simply narrowed my circle to the few people I truly consider friends. I travel whenever the opportunity arises, I dive into endless new projects, and I stay busy. In short, I seek out challenges—not to escape life, but to experience as much of it as possible. If I ever decide to move out to a quiet ranch in Montana, it will only be once I’ve fully lived; once I'm tired of the grind and have my affairs in order. I know who I am. I don't need a textbook to explain my psyche because I’ve already gone through my own "reset" button. My questions are intended to force him to reflect on whether he has actually thought this through or if he even has a viable plan in place. Of course, my way isn't a universal blueprint, nor is it a perfect fit for everyone. Once he answers my questions, then I'll be able to conclude whether I made a mistake or if he did.

And then there’s this defensive posturing whenever someone (like myself) asks a direct question—something like, "don't trigger a crisis"—as if asking isn't an issue. Forgive me, but such questions can't trigger anything that doesn't already exist. 😉

PS. Furthermore, if a person makes their living trading cryptocurrency, that essentially means they spend most of their days staring at a screen. Unless there is a plan for his wife to manage the entire household while he sits in front of a monitor, things simply won't work. People from major cities like New York City usually head to the countryside for peace once they've achieved success; this individual, however, is far from successful. His motivation for leaving seems to be an attempt to take shortcuts toward a lifestyle he thinks will suit him. In essence, he is aiming for a lower standard rather than setting higher ones for himself. This isn't to say I am disparaging rural life; it specifically refers to how he views the country as an escape from life's challenges and responsibilities, which it is not. Based on what he wrote, I highly doubt he engages in any physical activity. Honestly, the way he phrased everything smells like the onset of severe depression to me. He is clearly dreaming through his prose. Perhaps he should consult a psychologist—just as a recreational exercise—to figure out the root cause of this desire for isolation and flight. There is a massive difference between moving to the country for concrete reasons and moving there with the sole aim of isolating oneself from the world without ever having mapped out what that actually entails. As I said, the countryside isn't a fairy tale. It involves a tremendous amount of labor.

I won't even get into the complexities of growing fruits and vegetables and the myriad problems every "beginner" faces. There is an enormous learning curve: grafting trees, transplanting, protecting against viruses and bacteria, treating plant wounds, controlling reproduction and ripening, and investing in protective supplies that aren't cheap. Any money saved by skipping the subway, buses, or Ubers in the city will likely end up being spent right there. Of course, one could try to cut costs by buying copper sulfate themselves and mixing their own lime or Bordeaux mixture and managing the spraying and protection manually—it isn't rocket science, but you need to be responsible and possess at least a shred of logic regarding chemistry. And while checking on plants once a day might suffice, animals require a minimum of three check-ins daily for proper care. Ultimately, it is quite easy for his expenses to exceed what they were in the city. For instance, 70 fruit trees would provide enough for a family of four for a year. So, just to start, if he and his partner intend to save on food so they don't have to run to the grocery store constantly, they would need at least 30-35 trees. That is just to cover the basics for sweets, acids, vitamins, and minerals—well, most of them, anyway—throughout the entire year. As for vegetables, to get that second dose of vitamins and minerals, they'll need a greenhouse; otherwise, they'll only have one harvest per year, which won't come close to being sufficient. Then there's the requirement of at least 12 chickens plus one rooster for weekly egg production. If he wants meat, he’ll have to learn how to slaughter and prepare those same chickens, not to mention raising chicks... basically, the country is no place for those fleeing from life or those who think they can sit in front of a computer all day dealing solely with online businesses. I say this because he keeps talking about minimalism. Yet, investing in crypto is gambling; you never know when you're about to lose everything. It is a different matter entirely for people with actual jobs and reliable incomes. That is why I say he is dreaming.

And who do you think you are?! 😁
Sarah Ross21 Sarah Ross21 Active Member
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#72 ·
I think you nailed it. I was talking about the topic, but you actually identified the core issue better than I did.

And as for those city folks romanticizing rural life? I’ve seen it happen more times than I can count. It’s all fun and games until they actually have to haul heavy buckets of water from a well just to get through the day...
dustyranger8 dustyranger8 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2013
#73 ·
Matthew Gomez2 said:Hello everyone. Lately, I’ve been distilling my various life phases into one singular direction, and I wanted to put it out there to get some perspective from those who might know better. 😉

I’ve walked away from college entirely.
I’ve deleted all my social media accounts for good.
I’ve cut ties with about 99% of people, leaving just my girlfriend and my parents.
I’ve bought over a hundred books on psychology and philosophy with the intention of deepening my self-understanding—fields I’ve always had an affinity for.
I’ve dedicated myself to daily reflection, thinking through how to decouple myself from the machine as much as possible.
I’ve embraced minimalism (getting rid of about 80% of my wardrobe, sticking to a specific diet, and refusing to spend money unless it's absolutely necessary).
I’ve started learning the ropes of investing and building passive income streams that could eventually overtake my primary income once I leave my current job.
The plan is to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend and live a quiet life, far removed from the noise of shallow people and the frantic pace of modern life.
I’ve replaced all my bad habits with ones that actually hold value.

Am I being realistic here, or have I completely sabotaged my future? Does this kind of mindset actually lead anywhere?

To be fair, if someone else had made these moves overnight, it would have been catastrophic. But I didn't just snap; I spent a long time sharpening my blade before I finally cut everything loose. Because of that, none of this feels overwhelming. In fact, after a long period of sleepwalking, indulgence,
and believing in fairy tales, I feel incredibly awake and driven.

A little story to wrap this up:

There was a man living in a coastal town who would spend his mornings fishing and selling his catch, his afternoons working on personal projects, and his evenings sitting by the beach with his wife and kids, drinking wine and playing the guitar.

One day, an American businessman arrived. He noticed the fisherman and approached him, asking if he could offer some advice.

The man agreed, and the American said, "I can help you significantly increase your sales. You could buy more boats and gear, hire a few employees, eventually move to a major city to start a firm, and ultimately end up in New York City running several global companies."

The man simply asked, "And how long would that take?"

"Well, maybe twenty or twenty-five years," the businessman replied.

The man asked, "And then what?"

The businessman answered, "Then you'll be able to fish in the mornings, work on yourself in the afternoons, and spend your evenings by the beach with your family, drinking wine and playing the guitar."

That resonates deeply with me. I’ve taken it to heart. What is the point of grinding every single day for someone else just to satisfy the emotional whims of others, or to remain enslaved to our own habits and useless clutter?
Establishing a meaningful existence is actually quite simple; it just requires the discipline to understand what a human being is truly meant for.

Why wait to actually live your life when you already know what you want and realize most of what the world chases isn't even real?

Thanks for reading. I'm open to any thoughts—whether it's practical advice on setting up a life in rural America or suggestions on what kind of work I should pursue.

I hope no one finds this topic out of place here, but to me, this is fundamentally about spirituality, self-discovery, and shattering the illusions of what we think is real versus what is just a fantasy of the mind.😵

Look at the bold text; this forum itself is a social network. Given that inconsistency, your story doesn't sound very convincing to me.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#74 ·
Matthew Gomez2 said:Hello everyone. Lately, I’ve been distilling my various life phases into one singular direction, and I wanted to put it out there to get some perspective from those who might know better. 😉

I’ve walked away from college entirely.
I’ve deleted all my social media accounts for good.
I’ve cut ties with about 99% of people, leaving just my girlfriend and my parents.
I’ve bought over a hundred books on psychology and philosophy with the intention of deepening my self-understanding—fields I’ve always had an affinity for.
I’ve dedicated myself to daily reflection, thinking through how to decouple myself from the machine as much as possible.
I’ve embraced minimalism (getting rid of about 80% of my wardrobe, sticking to a specific diet, and refusing to spend money unless it's absolutely necessary).
I’ve started learning the ropes of investing and building passive income streams that could eventually overtake my primary income once I leave my current job.
The plan is to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend and live a quiet life, far removed from the noise of shallow people and the frantic pace of modern life.
I’ve replaced all my bad habits with ones that actually hold value.

Am I being realistic here, or have I completely sabotaged my future? Does this kind of mindset actually lead anywhere?

To be fair, if someone else had made these moves overnight, it would have been catastrophic. But I didn't just snap; I spent a long time sharpening my blade before I finally cut everything loose. Because of that, none of this feels overwhelming. In fact, after a long period of sleepwalking, indulgence,
and believing in fairy tales, I feel incredibly awake and driven.

A little story to wrap this up:

There was a man living in a coastal town who would spend his mornings fishing and selling his catch, his afternoons working on personal projects, and his evenings sitting by the beach with his wife and kids, drinking wine and playing the guitar.

One day, an American businessman arrived. He noticed the fisherman and approached him, asking if he could offer some advice.

The man agreed, and the American said, "I can help you significantly increase your sales. You could buy more boats and gear, hire a few employees, eventually move to a major city to start a firm, and ultimately end up in New York City running several global companies."

The man simply asked, "And how long would that take?"

"Well, maybe twenty or twenty-five years," the businessman replied.

The man asked, "And then what?"

The businessman answered, "Then you'll be able to fish in the mornings, work on yourself in the afternoons, and spend your evenings by the beach with your family, drinking wine and playing the guitar."

That resonates deeply with me. I’ve taken it to heart. What is the point of grinding every single day for someone else just to satisfy the emotional whims of others, or to remain enslaved to our own habits and useless clutter?
Establishing a meaningful existence is actually quite simple; it just requires the discipline to understand what a human being is truly meant for.

Why wait to actually live your life when you already know what you want and realize most of what the world chases isn't even real?

Thanks for reading. I'm open to any thoughts—whether it's practical advice on setting up a life in rural America or suggestions on what kind of work I should pursue.

I hope no one finds this topic out of place here, but to me, this is fundamentally about spirituality, self-discovery, and shattering the illusions of what we think is real versus what is just a fantasy of the mind.😵

I’m jumping in here to respond directly—not sure if anyone else even replied to you yet—but honestly, this whole thing doesn't really have anything to do with "exiting the system."

Also, that line about "leaving 99% of people behind"... I don't know, it feels a bit like you're just settling an old score with yourself. I mean, if those were the people surrounding you, wasn't that kind of your choice to begin with? Either way, your decision doesn't really say much about them at all.

I suppose I could go on dissecting all the contradictions and inconsistencies here, but that isn't really about anyone else. That's more on you—it's your own homework to do, I guess. But then again, that's true for everyone.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#75 ·
The thread title itself is a total joke.

"Did I mess up?"

Look, you can't actually screw up in life—no matter what choice you make. Seriously. Most "bad" decisions are just massive learning opportunities. Life isn't a straight line; it’s more like a series of constant pivots. There aren't really wrong turns, just different paths. If you pick Option A, you get one set of highs and lows; if you pick Option B, you get a completely different set. Every single second is a crossroads where you're steering the ship.

So yeah, asking "did I make a mistake" is pointless. We're basically making "mistakes" every single second we're alive.
Jonathan Fowler14 Jonathan Fowler14 Member
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joined Jan 2023
#76 ·
Matthew Gomez2 said:Hello everyone. Lately, I’ve been distilling my various life phases into one singular direction, and I wanted to put it out there to get some perspective from those who might know better. 😉

I’ve walked away from college entirely.
I’ve deleted all my social media accounts for good.
I’ve cut ties with about 99% of people, leaving just my girlfriend and my parents.
I’ve bought over a hundred books on psychology and philosophy with the intention of deepening my self-understanding—fields I’ve always had an affinity for.
I’ve dedicated myself to daily reflection, thinking through how to decouple myself from the machine as much as possible.
I’ve embraced minimalism (getting rid of about 80% of my wardrobe, sticking to a specific diet, and refusing to spend money unless it's absolutely necessary).
I’ve started learning the ropes of investing and building passive income streams that could eventually overtake my primary income once I leave my current job.
The plan is to move out to the countryside with my girlfriend and live a quiet life, far removed from the noise of shallow people and the frantic pace of modern life.
I’ve replaced all my bad habits with ones that actually hold value.

Am I being realistic here, or have I completely sabotaged my future? Does this kind of mindset actually lead anywhere?

To be fair, if someone else had made these moves overnight, it would have been catastrophic. But I didn't just snap; I spent a long time sharpening my blade before I finally cut everything loose. Because of that, none of this feels overwhelming. In fact, after a long period of sleepwalking, indulgence,
and believing in fairy tales, I feel incredibly awake and driven.

A little story to wrap this up:

There was a man living in a coastal town who would spend his mornings fishing and selling his catch, his afternoons working on personal projects, and his evenings sitting by the beach with his wife and kids, drinking wine and playing the guitar.

One day, an American businessman arrived. He noticed the fisherman and approached him, asking if he could offer some advice.

The man agreed, and the American said, "I can help you significantly increase your sales. You could buy more boats and gear, hire a few employees, eventually move to a major city to start a firm, and ultimately end up in New York City running several global companies."

The man simply asked, "And how long would that take?"

"Well, maybe twenty or twenty-five years," the businessman replied.

The man asked, "And then what?"

The businessman answered, "Then you'll be able to fish in the mornings, work on yourself in the afternoons, and spend your evenings by the beach with your family, drinking wine and playing the guitar."

That resonates deeply with me. I’ve taken it to heart. What is the point of grinding every single day for someone else just to satisfy the emotional whims of others, or to remain enslaved to our own habits and useless clutter?
Establishing a meaningful existence is actually quite simple; it just requires the discipline to understand what a human being is truly meant for.

Why wait to actually live your life when you already know what you want and realize most of what the world chases isn't even real?

Thanks for reading. I'm open to any thoughts—whether it's practical advice on setting up a life in rural America or suggestions on what kind of work I should pursue.

I hope no one finds this topic out of place here, but to me, this is fundamentally about spirituality, self-discovery, and shattering the illusions of what we think is real versus what is just a fantasy of the mind.😵

How exactly did you cut contact with everyone if you're posting this on a public forum asking for feedback? The moment you start seeking validation from strangers on the internet, you know you haven't fully committed. If you were truly certain about your choice, you wouldn't feel the need to ask. Good luck with the plan, but I suspect you might not be ready for that lifestyle.☕
Jonathan Fowler14 Jonathan Fowler14 Member
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joined Jan 2023
#77 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:The thread title itself is a total joke.

"Did I mess up?"

Look, you can't actually screw up in life—no matter what choice you make. Seriously. Most "bad" decisions are just massive learning opportunities. Life isn't a straight line; it’s more like a series of constant pivots. There aren't really wrong turns, just different paths. If you pick Option A, you get one set of highs and lows; if you pick Option B, you get a completely different set. Every single second is a crossroads where you're steering the ship.

So yeah, asking "did I make a mistake" is pointless. We're basically making "mistakes" every single second we're alive.

I have to disagree.

If you're fully aware of the choices available and the consequences they carry, then a person absolutely can make a mistake. Sure, every error can be valuable because of the lesson learned, but if you already know a choice is the wrong move and you go through with it anyway, there's no excuse—especially if it hurts other people.

Decisions carry weight; they have better or worse outcomes, whether they are short-term or long-term. It doesn't matter.

For example: someone gets behind the wheel drunk and kills an innocent person—I don't think there is anyone on this planet who doesn't know that driving drunk is a terrible decision. Did that person make a "mistake," or did they simply make a choice—one that perhaps might lead to some positive outcome down the line that somehow justifies all the wreckage caused by a conscious, bad decision? Hmmmm. 🤔
I wouldn't want to be the judge here; people definitely make mistakes, and often quite intentionally. ☕

Some mistakes are unforgivable, especially when they become patterns, and some simply don't result in anything good.

As the saying goes...
Quote : art with Heart: It's said that a wise person learns from his mistakes. A wiser one learns from others' mistakes. but The wisest person of All learns fra others's successes
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#78 ·
Jonathan Fowler14 said:I have to disagree.

If you're fully aware of the choices available and the consequences they carry, then a person absolutely can make a mistake. Sure, every error can be valuable because of the lesson learned, but if you already know a choice is the wrong move and you go through with it anyway, there's no excuse—especially if it hurts other people.

Decisions carry weight; they have better or worse outcomes, whether they are short-term or long-term. It doesn't matter.

For example: someone gets behind the wheel drunk and kills an innocent person—I don't think there is anyone on this planet who doesn't know that driving drunk is a terrible decision. Did that person make a "mistake," or did they simply make a choice—one that perhaps might lead to some positive outcome down the line that somehow justifies all the wreckage caused by a conscious, bad decision? Hmmmm. 🤔
I wouldn't want to be the judge here; people definitely make mistakes, and often quite intentionally. ☕

Some mistakes are unforgivable, especially when they become patterns, and some simply don't result in anything good.

As the saying goes...
Quote : art with Heart: It's said that a wise person learns from his mistakes. A wiser one learns from others' mistakes. but The wisest person of All learns fra others's successes

Thinking this rigidly is just a direct result of society brainwashing the individual. Honestly, it isn't even thinking—it's just reciting laws, rules, and social norms. It's someone living life on autopilot.
Nicholas Barnes74 Nicholas Barnes74 Active Member
60 messages
joined Jun 2020
#79 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Prove it

The way this is phrased just sounds like some super cliché platitude, I guess.

It’s really not a cliché. I mean, you can only truly find yourself through connection with other people—and I say that as someone who usually keeps my distance from everyone else. Purpose comes from helping folks, sharing your time, your experiences, whatever. There's an old saying back home that goes, "Better a man and a mule than a man all alone."
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#80 ·
Nicholas Barnes74 said:It’s really not a cliché. I mean, you can only truly find yourself through connection with other people—and I say that as someone who usually keeps my distance from everyone else. Purpose comes from helping folks, sharing your time, your experiences, whatever. There's an old saying back home that goes, "Better a man and a mule than a man all alone."

Can you actually defend the idea that "happiness is worthless if you have no one to share it with" without leaning on old-school proverbs?

How am I supposed to explain that, for example, I feel genuinely happy when I'm completely by myself?

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