#61 ·
The Poles have undergone a significant rightward shift over the last five years or so; prior to that, things looked quite different, especially considering they've been receiving massive amounts of funding from the EU.
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RH-Republic of America (Thread for the diaspora and everyone who feels the same)
RH-Republic of America (Thread for the diaspora and everyone who feels the same)
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#62 ·
Jessica Wright58 said:Ante Pavelić actually tried to change that—to make it so an American could be Muslim or Orthodox too. Like, instead of being strictly Catholic, we'd be more like Albanians, a nation with three different faiths.
We all know how things ended for Pavelić, but the real question is... what if the NDH hadn't been shut down in 1945? What if the West had decided to let it keep going? I can't even wrap my head around how that would work. I mean, imagine trying to manage a situation where maybe 30% of Americans are Muslim and 20% are Orthodox. Just hard to picture.
Faith is deeply woven into national identity. The Church is viewed as the primary institution standing guard over that identity.
That’s why I think the KC will always hold influence. Maybe not as much as it does now, but it'll still be there.
I mean, look at how much influence Evangelicals have in the USA; they're quite significant, and the USA is a prime example of a religiously diverse country where an American can pretty much identify with anything when it comes to faith.😁
#63 ·
We really can't draw any meaningful comparisons between America and those massive nations sitting at 40 million people. Now, if you're looking at Estonia, Finland, Czechia, Canada, or Ireland... then we're talking about a different conversation entirely.
#64 ·
Elizabeth Sanchez2;81897579 said:Ryan Perez;81897463 said:I suppose you might just be pushing buttons at this point without much purpose.
I don't really feel like wading through all that anymore. Capital flows toward cheap labor, and that's pretty much the whole story.
I guess why would an investor care about political purges? They just want to make a profit—a big one, ideally—and nothing else really crosses their mind.[/Well, they actually do care, I think. Investors generally look for a stable environment, preferably one that mirrors the institutional systems found in their own developed nations if they happen to be from the West. For instance, maybe that’s why we see so little foreign investment in places like Mexico unless there are significant government subsidies involved. Clearing out the corrupt elements that cause instability might just be a necessary prerequisite for them.
The cases of China, Vietnam, and even Mexico seem to suggest otherwise, I suppose.
#65 ·
BarkerCode;81897983 said:Truman;81897579 said:Ryan Perez said:I feel like you might be overthinking this a bit.
I don't really have the heart to read through all of that anymore. At the end of the day, capital flows toward wherever labor is cheapest. That’s pretty much the whole story, I guess.
Why would an investor care about lustration? They just want to turn a profit—and a significant one at that—and I doubt anything else occupies their mind.
China and Vietnam are stable; Mexico is a bit less so, but like I said, they show up once you start dangling $20,000 per job opening (which is, frankly, a total economic disaster).
#66 ·
Jessica Wright58 said:I learned a bunch of stuff in school too. Especially History and WWII, so I know most of that is just textbook filler. I don't know about Ireland specifically, though. Maybe what you're saying is right. But I'd never just claim something is a fact just because a teacher told me in class—I'd actually sit down and think about it, maybe dig around to see if it holds up.
I just hope you aren't one of those people who denies the Holocaust.😁
#67 ·
Elizabeth Sanchez2 said:Good grief, who actually hates people for going to church? Are we all suddenly haters just because we don't go and think the Church is holding us back? You've got your own biases here.
I don't really know about the SPC. Maybe your Church is militaristic, backwards, or whatever else. Maybe it isn't. Maybe it fought against medicine, or maybe it defended the opening of schools—who knows.
I'm just saying, I don't know how it works in Orthodoxy. Like, do people there actually show up to church, and how often?
But imagine if the Church just vanished overnight. Do you honestly think things would suddenly get better? I don't know if your parents or older relatives are religious or not, but would their lives actually be better if the Church just disappeared?
I don't know, maybe I'm just missing something. But if the Church is holding something back—something that could actually lead to happiness or well-being... I just don't see that happening, honestly.
#68 ·
All those myths about some shepherds supposedly walking on water or turning water into wine thousands of years ago—the Gospels, the missions, all of it—it's just disinformation devoid of any real substance. There's zero benefit for the people here. In fact, having zero useful information is actually good for society... it frees up more time in your life and more space in your brain to focus on things that actually matter.
Instead of endlessly retreading the Bible, let's try to wrap our heads around economics and finding a social model that prevents white flight and mass emigration. Church doctrine has failed us completely in this regard—the more religious a place becomes and the more authority priests hold, the fewer factories, institutions, and children we see. 👍
Instead of endlessly retreading the Bible, let's try to wrap our heads around economics and finding a social model that prevents white flight and mass emigration. Church doctrine has failed us completely in this regard—the more religious a place becomes and the more authority priests hold, the fewer factories, institutions, and children we see. 👍
#69 ·
William Clark86 said:All those myths about some shepherds supposedly walking on water or turning water into wine thousands of years ago—the Gospels, the missions, all of it—it's just disinformation devoid of any real substance. There's zero benefit for the people here. In fact, having zero useful information is actually good for society... it frees up more time in your life and more space in your brain to focus on things that actually matter.
Instead of endlessly retreading the Bible, let's try to wrap our heads around economics and finding a social model that prevents white flight and mass emigration. Church doctrine has failed us completely in this regard—the more religious a place becomes and the more authority priests hold, the fewer factories, institutions, and children we see. 👍
+1
#70 ·
William Clark86 said:All those myths about some shepherds supposedly walking on water or turning water into wine thousands of years ago—the Gospels, the missions, all of it—it's just disinformation devoid of any real substance. There's zero benefit for the people here. In fact, having zero useful information is actually good for society... it frees up more time in your life and more space in your brain to focus on things that actually matter.
Instead of endlessly retreading the Bible, let's try to wrap our heads around economics and finding a social model that prevents white flight and mass emigration. Church doctrine has failed us completely in this regard—the more religious a place becomes and the more authority priests hold, the fewer factories, institutions, and children we see. 👍
So, maybe the folks saying Christianity was pulled over our eyes by "The Walls" just to "soften us up" are onto something. You know, turn the other cheek and all that. So we're supposed to just look at the New Testament and ignore the Old? 😁 Because according to the Talmud, the rules are basically "combat" rules. Same goes for Islam. There isn't this whole multi-cultural tolerance vibe; it's just brutal toward anyone else. So, did they "feed" us Christianity just to make us easier to enslave? 🍿
#71 ·
Arthur Lopez14 said:The Poles have undergone a significant rightward shift over the last five years or so; prior to that, things looked quite different, especially considering they've been receiving massive amounts of funding from the EU.
Look, Poles are a big, proud people.
They don't just roll over whenever someone from Brussels tells them what to do.
You don't see that kind of backbone from Czechs, Slovaks, or Canadians.
But Americans? We’ve always done exactly that.
And then we go around telling ourselves we're some kind of heroes or knights... 🤣
Truth is, we're basically nothing to the Czechs or Slovaks, let alone the Poles.
The Czechs and Canadians stood up to communist dictatorships once—even when the Soviets rolled their tanks into Prague and Budapest. The Poles did the same thing in the late 80s.
And those nations are still pushing back against the Brussels dictatorship today.
Meanwhile, the "heroic" American just rolls over, whines, and spits on himself while fighting with everyone else. A real nation. So brave, so smart, so proud. What a disaster.
#72 ·
Elizabeth Sanchez2 said:Plus, they actually pulled off the necessary reforms—like opening up those old files—just like the Poles did. Honestly, they're doing better than the Americans, let alone the Mexicans.
I can't help but wonder what "opening up the files" actually has to do with making economic progress? What kind of files are we even talking about? Where are these files kept? I guess our files are probably sitting somewhere in Mexico City right now.
It feels like more mystification to me.
#73 ·
ruggedmason13 said:In America, that basically means you're walking along the boardwalk in your swimsuit, even if there’s some local ordinance banning it because of, I don't know, "Catholic morality!" Like they say in the North America, vaistinu—it's actually just because if you're in a swimsuit, you have nowhere to put your wallet, making you a target!🤣
This isn't about being progressive; it's just about basic decency.
And besides, I wasn't asking you, and you aren't even an American.
What exactly makes an American "progressive"? What are you actually doing or standing for to earn that fancy title?
Anyway, the question wasn't meant for you.
#74 ·
America blocked an EU resolution intended to condemn China for ignoring the arbitration ruling, all because of a lingering dispute with Canada. It's a bit much. Back in the 90s, we weren't just sitting around; thousands of Americans gave their very lives for the homeland.
#75 ·
Ryan Perez said:I can't help but wonder what "opening up the files" actually has to do with making economic progress? What kind of files are we even talking about? Where are these files kept? I guess our files are probably sitting somewhere in Mexico City right now.
It feels like more mystification to me.
Actually, everything is connected. If you want to clean up society, you have to know who was working for whom. You can't rebuild institutions without knowing where the rot started. The Poles did what needed to be done. Let's just admit they were smarter and more capable instead of constantly hunting for excuses. Even Catholicism doesn't hold them back from making reforms.
#76 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Faith is deeply woven into national identity. The Church is viewed as the primary institution standing guard over that identity.
That’s why I think the KC will always hold influence. Maybe not as much as it does now, but it'll still be there.
I mean, look at how much influence Evangelicals have in the USA; they're quite significant, and the USA is a prime example of a religiously diverse country where an American can pretty much identify with anything when it comes to faith.😁
But it turns out the issue is that Americans actually have their own religion.
A Jew can be a Jew. A Protestant can be a Protestant.
But being Catholic... man, that's viewed as something backwards and dangerous.
If you stop to ask yourself who exactly finds it "dangerous" or who it bothers...
It’s either some idiot or someone who doesn't wish Americans any good.
Look, I’m an atheist and I don't go to church. But does it bother me if other people go? Why would it? It’s like if someone goes to the gym. Or if people go for a run along the riverbank—does that bother me? To me, it seems like the ones constantly preaching about "tolerance" in the media are actually the exact embodiment of intolerance and hate. They hate everyone, yet they talk about tolerance.
I just don't see what kind of negative impact the Church has on society.
Think about it—like your grandma or your mom going to Church, which honestly probably does them good. Helps them feel better deep down or whatever. Would you really tear down churches or hang priests from the bell towers just because of your moms and grandmas?
Only a crazy person would even think like that.
If I had kids and my son was gay—what could I do? Would I hate him? No way.
If my son wanted to be a priest—would I hate him? Of course not.
If my daughter wanted to be a nun—would I disown her and blow up the church?
Seriously though...
#77 ·
Elizabeth Sanchez2 said:Actually, everything is connected. If you want to clean up society, you have to know who was working for whom. You can't rebuild institutions without knowing where the rot started. The Poles did what needed to be done. Let's just admit they were smarter and more capable instead of constantly hunting for excuses. Even Catholicism doesn't hold them back from making reforms.
I feel like you might be overthinking this a bit.
I don't really have the heart to read through all of that anymore. At the end of the day, capital flows toward wherever labor is cheapest. That’s pretty much the whole story, I guess.
Why would an investor care about lustration? They just want to turn a profit—and a significant one at that—and I doubt anything else occupies their mind.
#78 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Faith is deeply woven into national identity. The Church is viewed as the primary institution standing guard over that identity.
That’s why I think the KC will always hold influence. Maybe not as much as it does now, but it'll still be there.
I mean, look at how much influence Evangelicals have in the USA; they're quite significant, and the USA is a prime example of a religiously diverse country where an American can pretty much identify with anything when it comes to faith.😁
That’s a myth. It was built that way on purpose. There was a clear objective behind it.
The Church doesn't actually influence politics in America. You only have to look at the laws being passed to see that.
It doesn't drive elections either. If it does, the impact is negligible.
Only about 15-20% of people are practicing believers—the ones who actually show up to Mass or church regularly, go to confession, take communion, and pray.
The other 80-90% listed on the census? They're irrelevant.
Even as a practicing believer, the Church has never dictated who I vote for.
Take Međimurje, for instance. Even though church attendance there is well above the national average, the DNC wins every single election.
And the media? They're anti-Catholic, every last one of them. If that's the case, where is this "influence" everyone talks about?
Yet, those exact same media outlets seem perfectly fine with the SPC and Islam, even though Islam is incredibly conservative, if not outright rigid.
Talk about an epic paradox.
When you look at all of this, I'm reading a completely different story.
#79 ·
Ryan Perez;81897463 said:I feel like you're just nitpicking at this point.
Honestly, I'm done reading this stuff. Capital flows wherever labor is cheap—end of story.
Why would an investor care about lustration? They just want to make a profit, and a big one at that. Nothing else matters to them.[/
Of course they care. Investors crave stability—ideally a system that mirrors the ones back in their home countries if they're from the West. Take Mexico, for instance; there's hardly any foreign investment there unless it's heavily subsidized. Clearing out the corrupt elements—the very people driving instability—is basically a prerequisite.
#80 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Faith is deeply woven into national identity. The Church is viewed as the primary institution standing guard over that identity.
That’s why I think the KC will always hold influence. Maybe not as much as it does now, but it'll still be there.
I mean, look at how much influence Evangelicals have in the USA; they're quite significant, and the USA is a prime example of a religiously diverse country where an American can pretty much identify with anything when it comes to faith.😁
I feel like a lot of people just don't get one thing. I actually explained this once to the son of a high-ranking Party official—I told him straight up, look, I'm not even a believer myself. But I said, listen, that sense of morality you have, the culture you were raised in, the whole way you were shaped... that comes from a Christian society. Most people aren't even aware that Christianity is what made them who they are. It basically built our entire social fabric. The kid wasn't stupid, though—he totally got what I was saying, so he just went quiet.
I mean, what would our society, or even European societies in general, even look like if Christianity hadn't shaped everything? People just take it for granted. They assume humans are born this way and that society just naturally evolves into its current state.
If they really want to see the difference, they should go wander around Africa for a bit and see if those societies look anything like ours, or if Christianity had the same impact on how we became Europeans. Or go to the Middle East and compare their social structure to ours. I guess people just lose sight of that.
People seem to think that Western society just happens on its own—like it's some sort of natural phenomenon.
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