Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Look, there’s one thing nobody can argue with: America is completely at the mercy of whatever moves other countries make and how they handle this whole virus situation.
We’re tied to them economically because we rely on the more developed nations. Until they decide to loosen the reins, we aren't going anywhere either.

If this whole mess drags on until June 1st, then Bozinovic and his crew should just resign now—clear the way for someone actually competent to take over.

The Chinese are releasing people from quarantine after two months on the XY route; if we need any longer than that, something is fundamentally broken in our approach.

Besides, they have the warmer weather coming their way—which shouldn't be helping the virus spread.

nimbleharbor10 said:USA Today is reporting on some serious inconsistencies being pointed out by members of Congress: "CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES HIGHLIGHT ILLOGICALITY There is absolutely no sense in restricting movement in small towns with only 80 residents, while in a massive metro area like Washington, D.C. with 800,000 people, you can just move about normally "

Down in Miami, the police are picking up people just for walking around; some individuals are being reckless and excessive, which spreads the disease, but even so, these movement restrictions feel imprecise and far too restrictive. What else should we expect when you implement such extreme measures? People simply won't respect them.

Excerpt:

- To actually serve the public, the order restricting travel from one's residence should have been drafted better. They should define residential areas based on former county lines rather than current ones. This means places like Miami, Kaštela, and Solin—including Podstrana—should be treated as one single unit. Similarly, Brač should be its own entity, followed by Trogir, Marina, Okrug, and Seget, then the Makarska Riviera...

There's no logic in trapping folks in villages of 80 people while everyone in Washington, D.C. can zip around freely. I believe this decision needs to be fixed and adjusted to reflect how people actually live.

This is something the Government, if not Congress, should handle, not FEMA. We're talking about limiting a constitutional right to freedom of movement. While such a measure might be justified, it has to follow proper procedure, and the decision could have gone into effect immediately.

The bolded part: Someone basically wrote out, almost word-for-word, what I’ve been sending in my emails (to a few specific addresses...).

I'm glad if this helps clear up these ridiculous inconsistencies—but you don't have to come over and sing on my balcony about it... 😛☕

wiredotter89 said:Was it not in my best interest? Or maybe because I split my time between multiple addresses?

👍

Even if 30 million people were to die in Italy, that’s only 0.04% of their population. If a similar catastrophe hit the US, we're looking at roughly 1,500 people. A huge chunk of those would likely be critically ill patients who, frankly, wouldn't have survived much longer anyway. It sounds horrific, sure, but we aren't going to lose even 2% of the population.

The sheer level of fear-mongering surrounding this situation is infuriating... and forcing citizens through this ordeal with these permits is pure torture. All of this is just stressing people out, which is arguably worse than the virus itself. People are going to deal with more fallout from the stress of this than from the actual illness.

The priority should be isolating the elderly. Thankfully, my parents understood that; my grandmother already stocked up for Easter so they can spend the next two months staying safe without having to step foot outside.😁

I really wonder if you'd still call it "blown out of proportion" if it was your own ass or someone close to you among those deaths.

Anthony Jackson2 said:If this whole mess drags on until June 1st, then Bozinovic and his crew should just resign now—clear the way for someone actually competent to take over.

The Chinese are releasing people from quarantine after two months on the XY route; if we need any longer than that, something is fundamentally broken in our approach.

Besides, they have the warmer weather coming their way—which shouldn't be helping the virus spread.

Yeah, except the Chinese are just waiting for the second wave now, and they just shut down the borders to foreigners.

wiredotter89 said:Was it not in my best interest? Or maybe because I split my time between multiple addresses?

👍

Even if 30 million people were to die in Italy, that’s only 0.04% of their population. If a similar catastrophe hit the US, we're looking at roughly 1,500 people. A huge chunk of those would likely be critically ill patients who, frankly, wouldn't have survived much longer anyway. It sounds horrific, sure, but we aren't going to lose even 2% of the population.

The sheer level of fear-mongering surrounding this situation is infuriating... and forcing citizens through this ordeal with these permits is pure torture. All of this is just stressing people out, which is arguably worse than the virus itself. People are going to deal with more fallout from the stress of this than from the actual illness.

The priority should be isolating the elderly. Thankfully, my parents understood that; my grandmother already stocked up for Easter so they can spend the next two months staying safe without having to step foot outside.😁

Man, it’s always so easy to talk about 2% of the population "dying off" when you're assuming you won't be one of them, right?

I guess death doesn't seem so heavy when it's just a statistic.

And tell me this—if 2% is such a tiny, insignificant amount, what percentage of the American population do you think "died off" during the entire last war?

-Stipe

Adam Collins4 said:🤣

So, it just wasn't convenient for you, was it?

But now you're crying about it because your little plans didn't go exactly the way you wanted...

Next time, maybe try using a bit of foresight, and you might actually play your hand better...

Plus, from what I can see, someone here—specifically you—was technically breaking the law because you weren't registered where you were supposed to be...

But hey, as long as you look out for your own backside first, right?

The second part of that is so incredibly selfish I don't even want to waste my breath commenting on it...

Try shifting your focus away from your own self-interest and toward protecting your family—and heaven forbid, keep the infection away from them too... then maybe you'd have something worth singing about.

Maybe, or maybe not. 😛
It’s not like my entire life fell apart; mostly just some concerts and nights out.

hollowmason64 said:I really wonder if you'd still call it "blown out of proportion" if it was your own ass or someone close to you among those deaths.

Yeah, except the Chinese are just waiting for the second wave now, and they just shut down the borders to foreigners.

I would, because I’d be in the minority of the absolute minority.

briskjackal5 said:Man, it’s always so easy to talk about 2% of the population "dying off" when you're assuming you won't be one of them, right?

I guess death doesn't seem so heavy when it's just a statistic.

And tell me this—if 2% is such a tiny, insignificant amount, what percentage of the American population do you think "died off" during the entire last war?

-Stipe

The first source on Google says 18 million people. What is that supposed to mean to me?

hollowmason64 said:Exactly, that's just how it is—there’s almost nothing left.
I honestly think about everything people have to endure in life when they're actually pushed to their limits. Here, though, it feels like all this drama is just because people are hitting a breaking point simply because they're back home.
Honestly, the people who complain most are the ones whining about going crazy at home with their kids because "the kids are bored." For crying out loud, entertain them yourself. Talk to them, play with them, read to them... It’s always the same thing. Everyone is constantly bellyaching about work hours or whatever else, claiming they "never have any time for family," but then the second they're actually stuck at home with that very same family, they act like they're losing their minds.

I really, truly hope you're right about this. But honestly, looking at what's happening right in front of me every single day, I can't help but worry that they might actually be correct.
I mean, honestly, folks, I think it should have been pretty obvious from the get-go when the Government immediately decided to provide pay for workers who aren't going to be working for at least three months—with the option to extend that, too. What were people thinking? Did they suddenly assume the government was just going to start throwing money around like they've got endless pockets?

I'm not a medical professional—thank God, because it sounds like they’ve got it even worse than the rest of us—but my work is tied closely to transportation and everything involved in logistics, including all the cross-border stuff.
Every single semi-truck rolling into the country to restock the shelves passes right by my place. Every one of those drivers is coming from out of state, and honestly, any one of them could be carrying the virus. But here’s the thing—they do this job, and I do this job, just so you can have the luxury of picking out specific brands of ground beef or whatever other junk you feel like buying. We keep things moving so you can walk down an aisle and hand-pick exactly which chicken breast you want, yet people still act like staying home is some impossible task.
None of you have any clue how much of a grind it is for people doing jobs like this, but jbte, you just have to try and keep things as normal as possible.
Those poor drivers are on the road for days on end, practically forbidden from even stepping out of their cabs, and they haven't seen their families in ages—who knows how much longer it'll be. They’re essentially living through something reminiscent of the early '90s, except nobody is shooting at them. But still, nobody gives them credit and nobody seems truly grateful for what they're doing.
What do you think? Would they swap places with those who are about to "snap"?
I'm pretty sure they'd make the switch in a heartbeat.

I get that people are scared for their livelihoods, but most people actually have some kind of safety net, even if it's just the bare minimum.
Honestly, nobody is going to starve, because at the very least, we are a really empathetic nation and someone will always find food for someone in need. Everything else can just wait.
Let's just get through this.

Look, you guys do it because it's your job, not because you're some kind of saintly, altruistic heroes. It's just like how cashiers at Walmart work for a paycheck, not out of some deep sense of solidarity over selling toilet paper.

hollowmason64 said:I really wonder if you'd still call it "blown out of proportion" if it was your own ass or someone close to you among those deaths.

Yeah, except the Chinese are just waiting for the second wave now, and they just shut down the borders to foreigners.

Nobody actually knows what's coming—we'll just have to see if these measures actually work by looking at the fallout.

And honestly, closing the borders when there's a global outbreak is just a standard call.

Adam Collins4 said:What are the current infection numbers in Italy, and how many deaths have we seen so far?

Alright, let's keep this moving then—what's the actual mortality rate for the flu?

So, what's the next move then—trying to figure out which one is just a nasty case of the flu and which one is actually the Corona?

I mean, honestly, it really is just like the flu...

🤣

What kind of absolute nonsense are they pulling out of their asses just to ensure that people over 70—who are already dealing with health issues—end up dying from some random virus?

Look, I personally have family members who are well over 70, and I don't want even a single percent of this... just because some people can't seem to stay put at home.

Mr. Adam Collins4 is spinning his wheels and asking questions again. ☕
Here, read this:
https://www.usatoday.com/news/virus-stats-update-1390033

Invoking death tolls in Italy is the ultimate proof of ignorance—just pure lack of understanding. People like that should be banned from any kind of debate altogether.

driftingstag84 said:Mr. Adam Collins4 is spinning his wheels and asking questions again. ☕
Here, read this:
https://www.usatoday.com/news/virus-stats-update-1390033

What an absolute joke. They're using military trucks to haul away the dead because there’s apparently no capacity left to handle them where they passed—but honestly, nothing truly extraordinary is happening here; people are simply dying from standard illnesses and just happen to have Corona at the same time... 🙄

For some reason, USA Today seems hell-bent on tearing down morality during this crisis...

Anthony Jackson2 said:Invoking death tolls in Italy is the ultimate proof of ignorance—just pure lack of understanding. People like that should be banned from any kind of debate altogether.

Just suggestions from Bozinovic...

driftingstag84 said:Mr. Adam Collins4 is spinning his wheels and asking questions again. ☕
Here, read this:
https://www.usatoday.com/news/virus-stats-update-1390033

This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

I’ve got a feeling we’re about to see just how massive this Washington, D.C. exodus actually was...
I don't know how much truth there is to it, but on my local news site (small town in Washington County), they reported yesterday that we suddenly have 62 infected cases in the county...😲


If that number is real, we’re looking at an explosion of cases thanks to Washington, D.C. and the totally unprofessional way the city officials, the FBI, and FEMA have been handling this...
I mean, Washington County sat at two cases for ages, then jumped to five which is still what shows up on the map, only to hit 62 crazy bastards in a single day.
And get this—it’s been exactly seven days since those people from D.C. fled to the surrounding counties. Who knows what happens when we hit the 15-day mark after the earthquake? God knows, the numbers will probably be huge...

The worst part is that our local healthcare facilities have always been a complete wreck; they basically existed just to write referrals for D.C....
Everything you needed to do, you obviously couldn't get done, and after running around aimlessly, they'd inevitably end up sending you to Dubrava or Rebro.
But here’s the real kicker, and the part that’s gonna sting: we probably won't get any sympathy in D.C., but back home, they'll sure as hell blame us for dying here.

If things are already this bad in Washington County, it scares the hell out of me to think about the absolute mess happening in the small towns and islands down in Florida or California where those D.C. folks definitely fled to...it's going to be an unprecedented disaster there.🤦

Oh, come on, how could I not?

First off—I've been there too, dealing with a trashed apartment—and honestly, common sense dictates you just get out of a sketchy neighborhood.

It’s been over a week now—still shaking, and the kids are still waking up screaming in the middle of the night.

When are we all actually going to get tested if we've been around people who were positive? You know, the ones who didn't even show symptoms but only got flagged because someone else in their circle was feeling sick—then maybe we can start taking this flu threat seriously.

So, I'm guessing I was definitely exposed, but my immune system pretty much stepped up and handled business. It turns out—well, this is how the whole knot slowly starts to unravel.

I’m guessing the actual number of people carrying the virus is way higher—maybe even double what they're saying?

This testing thing is honestly the biggest load of nonsense ever.

So you're living with someone who tested positive, but you don't have any symptoms yet—well, they won't even bother testing you until you actually start feeling sick. Just great.

Honestly, having a test like that would be a total game-changer—you know, one that shows the percentage of people who test positive for the virus but won't actually end up getting sick. Plus, you could use those results to feel way more confident about being safe the next time around.

In the end, we’re basically building herd immunity through this whole mess—but everyone's just going to give the credit to the quarantine.

Some idiots in front of Target are handing out entry numbers to people, and then when you leave Target, you just hand the same number right back. It’s ridiculous—it's like handing someone a tray covered in germs.
🤣

And that little bit that sprays onto your hand—it's like it's not even there.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Excerpt:

- To actually serve the public, the order restricting travel from one's residence should have been drafted better. They should define residential areas based on former county lines rather than current ones. This means places like Miami, Kaštela, and Solin—including Podstrana—should be treated as one single unit. Similarly, Brač should be its own entity, followed by Trogir, Marina, Okrug, and Seget, then the Makarska Riviera...

There's no logic in trapping folks in villages of 80 people while everyone in Washington, D.C. can zip around freely. I believe this decision needs to be fixed and adjusted to reflect how people actually live.

This is something the Government, if not Congress, should handle, not FEMA. We're talking about limiting a constitutional right to freedom of movement. While such a measure might be justified, it has to follow proper procedure, and the decision could have gone into effect immediately.

The bolded part: Someone basically wrote out, almost word-for-word, what I’ve been sending in my emails (to a few specific addresses...).

I'm glad if this helps clear up these ridiculous inconsistencies—but you don't have to come over and sing on my balcony about it... 😛☕

This.

I don't think anyone here thinks people should be wandering around like the virus doesn't exist. We just want the rules to make sense and the inconsistencies removed.

A Washington, D.C. resident can stroll around Jarun without a second thought, yet I can't even head into downtown Zaprešić to handle business without having to explain my life story to some local official and praying they feel merciful.
It's degrading.

Nobody is advocating for aimless strolling.

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briskjackal5 said:Man, it’s always so easy to talk about 2% of the population "dying off" when you're assuming you won't be one of them, right?

I guess death doesn't seem so heavy when it's just a statistic.

And tell me this—if 2% is such a tiny, insignificant amount, what percentage of the American population do you think "died off" during the entire last war?

-Stipe

Speak for yourself, man. Look, any illness carries a risk of complications or even death—that's just reality. But if you're asking me whether I'd rather spend the next year or two stuck in this kind of quarantine nightmare or take a 2% gamble on potentially kicking the bucket? I'll take my chances with the latter. #BetterDeadThanTrapped

Honestly, even if that probability jumped to 20%, I'd probably make the same call. This isn't really living. Sure, being locked down might be a decent novelty for a week or two, but once you realize we could be facing this for months—maybe even years—and things are only getting worse? There isn't much to weigh there.

We’re headed toward a massive wave of suicides driven by the economic collapse and depression anyway; maybe it’ll be a mercy if the virus gets us first...

About 1% of the American population passes away every single year, so when you look at it that way, a 2% figure isn't exactly some earth-shattering anomaly.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Excerpt:

- To actually serve the public, the order restricting travel from one's residence should have been drafted better. They should define residential areas based on former county lines rather than current ones. This means places like Miami, Kaštela, and Solin—including Podstrana—should be treated as one single unit. Similarly, Brač should be its own entity, followed by Trogir, Marina, Okrug, and Seget, then the Makarska Riviera...

There's no logic in trapping folks in villages of 80 people while everyone in Washington, D.C. can zip around freely. I believe this decision needs to be fixed and adjusted to reflect how people actually live.

This is something the Government, if not Congress, should handle, not FEMA. We're talking about limiting a constitutional right to freedom of movement. While such a measure might be justified, it has to follow proper procedure, and the decision could have gone into effect immediately.

The bolded part: Someone basically wrote out, almost word-for-word, what I’ve been sending in my emails (to a few specific addresses...).

I'm glad if this helps clear up these ridiculous inconsistencies—but you don't have to come over and sing on my balcony about it... 😛☕

Honestly, major props to you for sending this out. And seriously, huge respect to whoever actually had the guts to say that stuff right then and there. Everyone loves to point fingers and act like all of China went into total lockdown, but they’re conveniently forgetting that those strict quarantines were only happening in one or two provinces. The rest of the country was still grinding away just so everyone else could keep living their lives like nothing was happening.

Kenneth Jones70 said:Oh, come on, how could I not?

First off—I've been there too, dealing with a trashed apartment—and honestly, common sense dictates you just get out of a sketchy neighborhood.

It’s been over a week now—still shaking, and the kids are still waking up screaming in the middle of the night.

When are we all actually going to get tested if we've been around people who were positive? You know, the ones who didn't even show symptoms but only got flagged because someone else in their circle was feeling sick—then maybe we can start taking this flu threat seriously.

So, I'm guessing I was definitely exposed, but my immune system pretty much stepped up and handled business. It turns out—well, this is how the whole knot slowly starts to unravel.

I’m guessing the actual number of people carrying the virus is way higher—maybe even double what they're saying?

This testing thing is honestly the biggest load of nonsense ever.

So you're living with someone who tested positive, but you don't have any symptoms yet—well, they won't even bother testing you until you actually start feeling sick. Just great.

Honestly, having a test like that would be a total game-changer—you know, one that shows the percentage of people who test positive for the virus but won't actually end up getting sick. Plus, you could use those results to feel way more confident about being safe the next time around.

In the end, we’re basically building herd immunity through this whole mess—but everyone's just going to give the credit to the quarantine.

Some idiots in front of Target are handing out entry numbers to people, and then when you leave Target, you just hand the same number right back. It’s ridiculous—it's like handing someone a tray covered in germs.
🤣

And that little bit that sprays onto your hand—it's like it's not even there.

I can't even begin to process this. 👍 I honestly don't get why people are fighting so hard against increasing the number of tests. Like, seriously? And don't even get me started on our testing capacity. It’s absolutely mind-blowing that we only have three labs—counting both the government ones and private outfits—in the entire country capable of handling this. To make matters even worse, one of those three is currently sidelined because they're missing some essential equipment. It's a total mess.

Look, maybe we can’t squeeze in any more testing right now, but honestly? We can just spin that to sound better by saying we’re running at absolute max capacity. If we frame it that way, it sounds productive. Otherwise, it just looks like they’re dragging their feet on the job we’re all paying them to do.

It’s like people are totally ignoring the upside of that approach. If you actually find out how many people are infected right away—even if it’s just a rough estimate—you can get them isolated immediately. That’s how you actually slow the spread. Once you've got a handle on that, you can finally loosen up some of those suffocating restrictions so life can actually start feeling normal again.

Those little number cards they use at places like Plodin? Total mystery to me too. Like, seriously, why is it such a massive struggle to just track how many people walk through the door and head out? It’s not rocket science.

Just for context, some places have thousands of people per square mile, while my town has maybe thirty. Now we have to spend our time justifying to these local sheriffs why I need to drive to the next county just to pick up my prescription... as if they suddenly gained some kind of divine authority overnight. Nobody is asking for permission to stroll through malls or hang out in public squares; we’re talking about basic necessities. In small towns like ours, we're effectively under lockdown, even if they don't call it that.

Adam Collins4 said:Look, once you stop cutting my posts short, maybe we can actually have a conversation...

Until then, bye-bye...

The DP isn't a valid comparison because the sample size is way too small...

People who keep banging their heads against the wall—like you, and whoever else is trying to draw parallels to the flu—are basically ignoring every single fact that proves this has nothing to do with the flu...

From the spread velocity and contagiousness levels to the mortality rates and how fast it progresses... not to mention how long this crap lingers on surfaces...

Since when does any strain of influenza stick around for 9 days?

And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

hollowmason64 said:Exactly, that's just how it is—there’s almost nothing left.
I honestly think about everything people have to endure in life when they're actually pushed to their limits. Here, though, it feels like all this drama is just because people are hitting a breaking point simply because they're back home.
Honestly, the people who complain most are the ones whining about going crazy at home with their kids because "the kids are bored." For crying out loud, entertain them yourself. Talk to them, play with them, read to them... It’s always the same thing. Everyone is constantly bellyaching about work hours or whatever else, claiming they "never have any time for family," but then the second they're actually stuck at home with that very same family, they act like they're losing their minds.

I really, truly hope you're right about this. But honestly, looking at what's happening right in front of me every single day, I can't help but worry that they might actually be correct.
I mean, honestly, folks, I think it should have been pretty obvious from the get-go when the Government immediately decided to provide pay for workers who aren't going to be working for at least three months—with the option to extend that, too. What were people thinking? Did they suddenly assume the government was just going to start throwing money around like they've got endless pockets?

I'm not a medical professional—thank God, because it sounds like they’ve got it even worse than the rest of us—but my work is tied closely to transportation and everything involved in logistics, including all the cross-border stuff.
Every single semi-truck rolling into the country to restock the shelves passes right by my place. Every one of those drivers is coming from out of state, and honestly, any one of them could be carrying the virus. But here’s the thing—they do this job, and I do this job, just so you can have the luxury of picking out specific brands of ground beef or whatever other junk you feel like buying. We keep things moving so you can walk down an aisle and hand-pick exactly which chicken breast you want, yet people still act like staying home is some impossible task.
None of you have any clue how much of a grind it is for people doing jobs like this, but jbte, you just have to try and keep things as normal as possible.
Those poor drivers are on the road for days on end, practically forbidden from even stepping out of their cabs, and they haven't seen their families in ages—who knows how much longer it'll be. They’re essentially living through something reminiscent of the early '90s, except nobody is shooting at them. But still, nobody gives them credit and nobody seems truly grateful for what they're doing.
What do you think? Would they swap places with those who are about to "snap"?
I'm pretty sure they'd make the switch in a heartbeat.

I get that people are scared for their livelihoods, but most people actually have some kind of safety net, even if it's just the bare minimum.
Honestly, nobody is going to starve, because at the very least, we are a really empathetic nation and someone will always find food for someone in need. Everything else can just wait.
Let's just get through this.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.