Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

fadedranger162 said:Honestly, major props to you for sending this out. And seriously, huge respect to whoever actually had the guts to say that stuff right then and there. Everyone loves to point fingers and act like all of China went into total lockdown, but they’re conveniently forgetting that those strict quarantines were only happening in one or two provinces. The rest of the country was still grinding away just so everyone else could keep living their lives like nothing was happening.

I can't even begin to process this. 👍 I honestly don't get why people are fighting so hard against increasing the number of tests. Like, seriously? And don't even get me started on our testing capacity. It’s absolutely mind-blowing that we only have three labs—counting both the government ones and private outfits—in the entire country capable of handling this. To make matters even worse, one of those three is currently sidelined because they're missing some essential equipment. It's a total mess.

Look, maybe we can’t squeeze in any more testing right now, but honestly? We can just spin that to sound better by saying we’re running at absolute max capacity. If we frame it that way, it sounds productive. Otherwise, it just looks like they’re dragging their feet on the job we’re all paying them to do.

It’s like people are totally ignoring the upside of that approach. If you actually find out how many people are infected right away—even if it’s just a rough estimate—you can get them isolated immediately. That’s how you actually slow the spread. Once you've got a handle on that, you can finally loosen up some of those suffocating restrictions so life can actually start feeling normal again.

Those little number cards they use at places like Plodin? Total mystery to me too. Like, seriously, why is it such a massive struggle to just track how many people walk through the door and head out? It’s not rocket science.

I mean, you see those YouTubers who have been posting about their lives over in Shanghai, right? It’s pretty obvious from what they're showing that all the other provinces were under lockdown too. They just didn't call it a quarantine. I guess they just chose different words for it, maybe.

electricbadger89 said:This.

I don't think anyone here thinks people should be wandering around like the virus doesn't exist. We just want the rules to make sense and the inconsistencies removed.

A Washington, D.C. resident can stroll around Jarun without a second thought, yet I can't even head into downtown Zaprešić to handle business without having to explain my life story to some local official and praying they feel merciful.
It's degrading.

Nobody is advocating for aimless strolling.

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Already brought this up because it's the same deal here... Not everyone gets it.

Jessica Booth48 said:Just for context, some places have thousands of people per square mile, while my town has maybe thirty. Now we have to spend our time justifying to these local sheriffs why I need to drive to the next county just to pick up my prescription... as if they suddenly gained some kind of divine authority overnight. Nobody is asking for permission to stroll through malls or hang out in public squares; we’re talking about basic necessities. In small towns like ours, we're effectively under lockdown, even if they don't call it that.

To me, this whole restriction thing feels like pure bureaucratic bullying against regular people. It’s mostly born out of total incompetence from the government, paired with opposition parties that are even more clueless.

I said this a long time ago—everyone who tested positive or was told to self-isolate (whether they traveled back to the US or were just exposed) should have been put in hotels. Those places are sitting empty anyway.
We would have had 10,000 people in actual quarantine, and the rest of the country could have functioned normally. Instead, what we have is this half-baked quarantine that might be okay for a month, but staying like this until June is total nonsense.

If we had actually put those 10,000 people under supervision in hotels, we wouldn't be seeing these incidents where parents take their kids to the doctor instead of isolating, or those 800-plus people getting caught breaking quarantine... but I guess then the government would actually have to put in some effort to organize housing. Instead, they just write fines and dump all the responsibility on the other 300 million Americans to just rot at home.

I honestly want to know how they expect to handle cases where someone actually has to leave their county.
It could be anything—seeing a specialist, an emergency dentist visit, pregnancy complications, or even going to a funeral for a close relative...

Bureaucrats have decided that life just needs to stop, and anyone who pushes back gets labeled an enemy of the people because, hey, they're "just trying to save lives."
And another thing, why aren't they testing more people? Everywhere else, everyone has to wear masks... EVERYONE!!
Not here. What, are they cutting corners on healthcare now? Are they expecting people to pay the price for their cheapness? People are going to start voting with their feet, just like they always do...

Nicole James said:What an absolute joke. They're using military trucks to haul away the dead because there’s apparently no capacity left to handle them where they passed—but honestly, nothing truly extraordinary is happening here; people are simply dying from standard illnesses and just happen to have Corona at the same time... 🙄

For some reason, USA Today seems hell-bent on tearing down morality during this crisis...

It honestly feels like every journalist out there has "monitor Reddit" on their daily to-do list.
They just see a trending thread—one where the facts might be slightly... skewed—and they serve up a link based on those premises. It doesn't even require much actual effort.

As someone else pointed out—you can try to silence people, you can even lock them behind four walls...
But you can't stop them from thinking!
It’s just like how you can't stop people from accessing information online.

Though—if one thinks about it for more than a second—that might be the next logical step. Restricting access to certain websites... (not that some countries haven't already done it, or continue to do it)

That way, people will have nothing left to do but stand on their balconies and sing protest songs.☕

dustymarlin10 said:This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

Yeah, I definitely am—especially when it comes to people who just refuse to look at the actual facts. It’s hard not to get a bit arrogant when you're staring down someone who ignores a solid argument just to keep banging on about their own nonsense...

You know those people who act like they’re going through some massive tragedy just because they haven't seen someone in six days? It’s honestly hilarious—they’ll be out there making a huge scene, claiming this whole thing is just like a common flu, while acting like their world is ending. Total nonsense.

dustymarlin10 said:This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

And once again, you’re spot on—I definitely fall outside the bell curve when it comes to intelligence and raw capability, at least within the very specific niche I spend my life in...

Look, just to be clear—unlike the crowd you’re busy defending who keep insisting this is nothing more than a glorified flu—I’ve actually done the legwork. I’ve burned through mountains of articles, combed through endless reports, and watched every available video coming out of Italy, France, and Germany. For me, there's no "lost in translation" issue here—all those languages mean exactly the same thing when you're looking at the actual data.

And here you all are, still spouting that nonsense about how it’s just like having the flu... honestly, it's embarrassing.

Just watch a few clips—you don't even need to follow what they’re actually saying—but just look at the sheer desperation in those people's eyes. Seriously. And then you can go right back to claiming that anyone calling this out is being dramatic... if that's how you want to play it.

dustymarlin10 said:This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

If you actually bother to scratch beneath the surface here, you could probably get slapped with a defamation lawsuit just based on that opening sentence alone. Honestly—if you keep trying to push these mindless accusations that aren't even rooted in reality, all you’re doing is digging a hole for yourself. You're basically handing them all the evidence they need to take you to court for nothing more than a smear campaign.

Pray to God that we get more people like me—because as long as we keep padding the federal budget, there’ll be plenty of cash left over to fund that little stock market getaway you’ve been planning.😉

Look, let’s be real—once we hit the brakes, your little flameout is gonna happen right along with us.

It’s just part of your whole deal, isn't it? That constant urge to bolt and go into hiding. Honestly, you’ve always been like this—whenever things actually start getting loud or heavy, you suddenly find some "urgent work obligation" to hide behind. It’s your classic move. And clearly, you're doing the exact same thing right now—already mapping out your little escape route before the dust even settles.

P.S.

So, picture this: you’ve got 30 people squeezed into a space of over 10,000 square feet—which, let's be honest, isn't exactly a sprawling campus—and then half of them are already sitting at home on paid time off. Then, just when you think you've got a handle on the chaos, the rotation kicks in. One group is chilling at home while the other bunch is stuck on the floor running production. It’s a total revolving door.

Every single day, you’ve got two nurses spending half their shift just disinfecting everything in sight—it's relentless—and then, once the shift is finally over, they have to go through the whole process all over again to sanitize the entire place. It's constant.

Unlike you—since you’ve clearly already mapped out your entire escape route—my company could actually survive without a single order or delivery for at least 15 months... so, just curious, how long do you think yours could hold out?

wiredotter89 said:Maybe, or maybe not. 😛
It’s not like my entire life fell apart; mostly just some concerts and nights out.

I would, because I’d be in the minority of the absolute minority.

The first source on Google says 18 million people. What is that supposed to mean to me?

So, why the complaining...

You're right where you are now—in the same boat as everyone else—so just try to enjoy it while you can.

The world hasn't stopped spinning, and we aren't made of glass, can't handle a little bit of friction, right?

driftingstag84 said:Mr. Adam Collins4 is spinning his wheels and asking questions again. ☕
Here, read this:
https://www.usatoday.com/news/virus-stats-update-1390033

Rambling?

Maybe I’m "rambling" to people who clearly can't grasp basic written English...

Or maybe it's just those folks barking nonsense about how this is "just like the flu"...

Honestly, watching you all mess around with these half-baked theories is exhausting—right up until the moment this virus actually hits you or someone close to you...

If you aren't capable of wrapping your head around reality, then we really don't have anything left to talk about...

Anthony Jackson2 said:Invoking death tolls in Italy is the ultimate proof of ignorance—just pure lack of understanding. People like that should be banned from any kind of debate altogether.

So, where’s the actual argument here?

I could just take that exact sentence of yours, slap a "not" in front of it to flip the meaning entirely, and suddenly I'm some kind of genius...

In the meantime—while we're playing word games—people are actually dying and healthcare workers are reaching their absolute breaking point...

Meanwhile, you've got folks in your circle denying reality or claiming this is nothing more than a bad case of the flu...

By all means, go ahead and try to show me how a common flu causes this level of total systemic collapse in the American healthcare system... if you can.

Kenneth Jones70 said:Oh, come on, how could I not?

First off—I've been there too, dealing with a trashed apartment—and honestly, common sense dictates you just get out of a sketchy neighborhood.

It’s been over a week now—still shaking, and the kids are still waking up screaming in the middle of the night.

When are we all actually going to get tested if we've been around people who were positive? You know, the ones who didn't even show symptoms but only got flagged because someone else in their circle was feeling sick—then maybe we can start taking this flu threat seriously.

So, I'm guessing I was definitely exposed, but my immune system pretty much stepped up and handled business. It turns out—well, this is how the whole knot slowly starts to unravel.

I’m guessing the actual number of people carrying the virus is way higher—maybe even double what they're saying?

This testing thing is honestly the biggest load of nonsense ever.

So you're living with someone who tested positive, but you don't have any symptoms yet—well, they won't even bother testing you until you actually start feeling sick. Just great.

Honestly, having a test like that would be a total game-changer—you know, one that shows the percentage of people who test positive for the virus but won't actually end up getting sick. Plus, you could use those results to feel way more confident about being safe the next time around.

In the end, we’re basically building herd immunity through this whole mess—but everyone's just going to give the credit to the quarantine.

Some idiots in front of Target are handing out entry numbers to people, and then when you leave Target, you just hand the same number right back. It’s ridiculous—it's like handing someone a tray covered in germs.
🤣

And that little bit that sprays onto your hand—it's like it's not even there.

Still calling it "just a flu," huh?

How long are we going to deal with this stupidity?

How much longer are you going to deny the mortality rate and the infection levels? How long will you ignore the desperation of healthcare workers in the hardest-hit cities who are saying they're right on the edge?

Give us a few more scenes like that when the seasonal flu hits, and then we'll see if it's "exactly the same."

Adam Collins4 said:Still calling it "just a flu," huh?

How long are we going to deal with this stupidity?

How much longer are you going to deny the mortality rate and the infection levels? How long will you ignore the desperation of healthcare workers in the hardest-hit cities who are saying they're right on the edge?

Give us a few more scenes like that when the seasonal flu hits, and then we'll see if it's "exactly the same."

Who was it that predicted you’d eventually end up in here arguing with yourself?🤔
Your last five posts back-to-back pretty much confirm it...

I just dropped in to break up the monotony... 😁

Feel free to carry on...

Jesse Hughes6 said:And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.

That bit of info is actually huge—it tells us a lot about how resilient the virus is against external factors...

Which means we can finally push back against the idiots claiming this is just like the flu. I mean, how long does the flu virus even hang around on surfaces? Exactly...

Then there's the infectivity rate. With the flu, you're looking at a max of maybe 1.7, whereas with this mess, we're talking a max of 4...

But of course, that doesn't stop the geniuses from insisting this is just a seasonal flu.

Jesse Hughes6 said:And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.

You’re barking up the wrong tree here. I have five kids...

And I haven't put them—or any elderly folks nearby—in any kind of danger...not even slightly.

It just seems like the crowd shouting that this is "just like the flu" is mostly people who can't handle being away from their girlfriends for a little while—so they start acting like characters out of GTA, talking about breaking lockdowns and causing chaos...

Let them break them. There are fines for that, too.

Joshua Gray75 said:Who was it that predicted you’d eventually end up in here arguing with yourself?🤔
Your last five posts back-to-back pretty much confirm it...

I just dropped in to break up the monotony... 😁

Feel free to carry on...

That was written by people whose only real talent is spreading slander...

And while the crowd is out there blathering about how this is like some kind of flu—even though they don't have a single shred of evidence to back it up, they're just doing it because they can't see my girlfriend—I'm right here to logically show them they're talking nonsense...

My last five posts aren't an argument with myself; they're just a reaction to a bunch of ignorant people who only care about their own skin...

Because conformism isn't what it used to be...

And to get where they're going, they won't hesitate to peddle a mountain of lies and stupidity..

Kyle Nelson2 said:I mean, you see those YouTubers who have been posting about their lives over in Shanghai, right? It’s pretty obvious from what they're showing that all the other provinces were under lockdown too. They just didn't call it a quarantine. I guess they just chose different words for it, maybe.

Well, duh, they tightened restrictions across the rest of the country because once you have one neighborhood hit with cases, it would be a total disaster for a country our size if it spread, but they weren't going for a full-blown lockdown.

Kyle Nelson2 said:To me, this whole restriction thing feels like pure bureaucratic bullying against regular people. It’s mostly born out of total incompetence from the government, paired with opposition parties that are even more clueless.

I said this a long time ago—everyone who tested positive or was told to self-isolate (whether they traveled back to the US or were just exposed) should have been put in hotels. Those places are sitting empty anyway.
We would have had 10,000 people in actual quarantine, and the rest of the country could have functioned normally. Instead, what we have is this half-baked quarantine that might be okay for a month, but staying like this until June is total nonsense.

If we had actually put those 10,000 people under supervision in hotels, we wouldn't be seeing these incidents where parents take their kids to the doctor instead of isolating, or those 800-plus people getting caught breaking quarantine... but I guess then the government would actually have to put in some effort to organize housing. Instead, they just write fines and dump all the responsibility on the other 300 million Americans to just rot at home.

I honestly want to know how they expect to handle cases where someone actually has to leave their county.
It could be anything—seeing a specialist, an emergency dentist visit, pregnancy complications, or even going to a funeral for a close relative...

Bureaucrats have decided that life just needs to stop, and anyone who pushes back gets labeled an enemy of the people because, hey, they're "just trying to save lives."
And another thing, why aren't they testing more people? Everywhere else, everyone has to wear masks... EVERYONE!!
Not here. What, are they cutting corners on healthcare now? Are they expecting people to pay the price for their cheapness? People are going to start voting with their feet, just like they always do...

It’s like I wrote before—you could see the mess happening in China, and you could already see the chaos in Italy, yet here in America, they let a few thousand people fly back into the country and wander around freely. Plus, they keep them crowded at the border for hours just to get a stamp so they can go into isolation.

They could have put them all in hotels, one per room, so nothing spreads if someone is infected. Thank God we at least have hotels; just station a few cops around the place so nobody escapes and you're done. They were closed anyway, and at least people (cooks, cleaners, etc., even on a reduced scale) would still have jobs.

Adam Collins4 said:Yeah, I definitely am—especially when it comes to people who just refuse to look at the actual facts. It’s hard not to get a bit arrogant when you're staring down someone who ignores a solid argument just to keep banging on about their own nonsense...

You know those people who act like they’re going through some massive tragedy just because they haven't seen someone in six days? It’s honestly hilarious—they’ll be out there making a huge scene, claiming this whole thing is just like a common flu, while acting like their world is ending. Total nonsense.

And once again, you’re spot on—I definitely fall outside the bell curve when it comes to intelligence and raw capability, at least within the very specific niche I spend my life in...

Look, just to be clear—unlike the crowd you’re busy defending who keep insisting this is nothing more than a glorified flu—I’ve actually done the legwork. I’ve burned through mountains of articles, combed through endless reports, and watched every available video coming out of Italy, France, and Germany. For me, there's no "lost in translation" issue here—all those languages mean exactly the same thing when you're looking at the actual data.

And here you all are, still spouting that nonsense about how it’s just like having the flu... honestly, it's embarrassing.

Just watch a few clips—you don't even need to follow what they’re actually saying—but just look at the sheer desperation in those people's eyes. Seriously. And then you can go right back to claiming that anyone calling this out is being dramatic... if that's how you want to play it.

If you actually bother to scratch beneath the surface here, you could probably get slapped with a defamation lawsuit just based on that opening sentence alone. Honestly—if you keep trying to push these mindless accusations that aren't even rooted in reality, all you’re doing is digging a hole for yourself. You're basically handing them all the evidence they need to take you to court for nothing more than a smear campaign.

Pray to God that we get more people like me—because as long as we keep padding the federal budget, there’ll be plenty of cash left over to fund that little stock market getaway you’ve been planning.😉

Look, let’s be real—once we hit the brakes, your little flameout is gonna happen right along with us.

It’s just part of your whole deal, isn't it? That constant urge to bolt and go into hiding. Honestly, you’ve always been like this—whenever things actually start getting loud or heavy, you suddenly find some "urgent work obligation" to hide behind. It’s your classic move. And clearly, you're doing the exact same thing right now—already mapping out your little escape route before the dust even settles.

P.S.

So, picture this: you’ve got 30 people squeezed into a space of over 10,000 square feet—which, let's be honest, isn't exactly a sprawling campus—and then half of them are already sitting at home on paid time off. Then, just when you think you've got a handle on the chaos, the rotation kicks in. One group is chilling at home while the other bunch is stuck on the floor running production. It’s a total revolving door.

Every single day, you’ve got two nurses spending half their shift just disinfecting everything in sight—it's relentless—and then, once the shift is finally over, they have to go through the whole process all over again to sanitize the entire place. It's constant.

Unlike you—since you’ve clearly already mapped out your entire escape route—my company could actually survive without a single order or delivery for at least 15 months... so, just curious, how long do you think yours could hold out?

Just so we're clear and you don't come swinging at me, I'm not saying this is *just* the flu, and yeah, take care of yourself and everyone else. But with all that "above average intelligence" you claim to have, it seems like you've forgotten where you actually live. It's easy for you to talk when you've got a secure job and, luckily, enough work lined up for the long haul, as you put it.

Now, try putting yourself in the shoes of someone with five kids who loses their job because of all this. No savings, living paycheck to paycheck on near minimum wage. For us—meaning the quarter or fifth of the population living right on the edge—we're definitely about to fall over it.

You're also ignoring the other side of the picture. You see it on the news all the time, but they diagnose maybe 100 people with cancer every day; lately, that's dropped to 10 or 20 because nobody wants to go in for checkups. Cancer mortality is around 50%, whereas this is around 2%—and even that might be an underestimate since we don't know how many people are infected if they aren't getting tested. We might save a few hundred lives now, only to lose thousands later because of missed diagnoses for cancer or other illnesses if this drags on much longer.

Come on, people, stop comparing this to the flu.

- This virus spreads way faster than the flu ever could.
- You’re contagious for days before you even feel sick, which just makes it tear through crowds even quicker.
- Most people have zero immunity to this thing, unlike the seasonal flu where we've got some baseline defense.
- There isn't a vaccine or a cure in sight, and honestly, it doesn't look like we're getting one for at least a year.
- So far, there’s no sign that weather—whether it's hot, dry, or humid—is going to chill it out like it does with the flu.
- It hangs around on surfaces way longer than flu germs. If I remember right, it takes ages for that fatty coating protecting the viral RNA to dry out and kill the thing off.
- As far as we know, the death rate is similar to the flu for certain groups, though the flu usually hits kids and young people harder.

So yeah, trying to call this "just a bad flu" is totally misplaced. Maybe if you're talking about scale, sure. But this? This isn't the flu.

I've seen firsthand what a "common virus" can do to a nursing home. It's a massacre. You see 10 to 15% of the residents end up in the ER overnight, and if they already had health issues, they barely make it out. It happens so fast. I don't even want to imagine the carnage if this thing hits a senior living facility; since everyone is packed together, the devastation is instant and obvious. When it's hitting people in their own homes, it's more spread out, so it's harder for an outsider to see the full scope while everyone is just busy dealing with their own crisis. We saw what happened to hospitals in Italy, and man, it was horrific. Entire wards wiped out in 48 hours. Oncology and pulmonary patients basically stood no chance, ventilator or not.

So please, quit saying "it's just a stronger flu." It really isn't. Maybe in a few years, who knows? Let's hope.

If those crazy lockdowns hadn't happened in China, Korea, Japan, and all over, we'd probably be looking at 300,000 deaths instead of 30,000 by now—and we're barely even getting started. This feels like the first pandemic with real Spanish Flu potential. And remember, that monster didn't even start killing people in earnest until the second wave hit.

Hey everyone, I’m seeing talk here about needing proof of leaving one's residence. Does that mean I also need some kind of official paperwork just to arrive at my destination, or is showing up somewhere considered fine without any documentation? I flew into the US via an airport and was ordered into a 14-day quarantine. I decided to spend that time in Washington, D.C., staying in a rental apartment—which I reported to the local police—just to be safe and avoid spreading anything if I happen to be carrying the virus. Once this mandatory quarantine period is over, I plan on heading back to my permanent home.
If I actually do need this proof, do I go down to the local precinct or municipal office near my rental in the Thorn area?
Thanks in advance

Adam Collins4 said:That bit of info is actually huge—it tells us a lot about how resilient the virus is against external factors...

Which means we can finally push back against the idiots claiming this is just like the flu. I mean, how long does the flu virus even hang around on surfaces? Exactly...

Then there's the infectivity rate. With the flu, you're looking at a max of maybe 1.7, whereas with this mess, we're talking a max of 4...

But of course, that doesn't stop the geniuses from insisting this is just a seasonal flu.

You’re barking up the wrong tree here. I have five kids...

And I haven't put them—or any elderly folks nearby—in any kind of danger...not even slightly.

It just seems like the crowd shouting that this is "just like the flu" is mostly people who can't handle being away from their girlfriends for a little while—so they start acting like characters out of GTA, talking about breaking lockdowns and causing chaos...

Let them break them. There are fines for that, too.

Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

Adam Collins4 said:That bit of info is actually huge—it tells us a lot about how resilient the virus is against external factors...

Which means we can finally push back against the idiots claiming this is just like the flu. I mean, how long does the flu virus even hang around on surfaces? Exactly...

Then there's the infectivity rate. With the flu, you're looking at a max of maybe 1.7, whereas with this mess, we're talking a max of 4...

But of course, that doesn't stop the geniuses from insisting this is just a seasonal flu.

You’re barking up the wrong tree here. I have five kids...

And I haven't put them—or any elderly folks nearby—in any kind of danger...not even slightly.

It just seems like the crowd shouting that this is "just like the flu" is mostly people who can't handle being away from their girlfriends for a little while—so they start acting like characters out of GTA, talking about breaking lockdowns and causing chaos...

Let them break them. There are fines for that, too.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

Adam Collins4 said:That bit of info is actually huge—it tells us a lot about how resilient the virus is against external factors...

Which means we can finally push back against the idiots claiming this is just like the flu. I mean, how long does the flu virus even hang around on surfaces? Exactly...

Then there's the infectivity rate. With the flu, you're looking at a max of maybe 1.7, whereas with this mess, we're talking a max of 4...

But of course, that doesn't stop the geniuses from insisting this is just a seasonal flu.

You’re barking up the wrong tree here. I have five kids...

And I haven't put them—or any elderly folks nearby—in any kind of danger...not even slightly.

It just seems like the crowd shouting that this is "just like the flu" is mostly people who can't handle being away from their girlfriends for a little while—so they start acting like characters out of GTA, talking about breaking lockdowns and causing chaos...

Let them break them. There are fines for that, too.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

@Kenneth Nelson9 Look, I heard some talk that you don't even need official confirmation to head back, but honestly? Don't risk it. Just double-check with the local authorities in your home state before you do anything. You get your paperwork from your actual place of residence, not wherever you happen to be hanging out right now. That’s a lesson I learned the hard way recently.

Time for some good news: total mortality rates in the US actually dropped once the COVID-19 outbreak kicked off, compared to the same stretch last year!

I know, sounds totally wild, right? It’s based on a study with a relatively small sample size, but here’s the deal: because everyone started staying home, social distancing, and basically avoiding crowds, we’re seeing:

- way less transmission of other nasty bugs
- a huge drop in deaths among groups usually at higher risk—like kids and young adults—because they aren't out mixing as much
- a dip in crime and violence too

Seriously, I know it sounds crazy, but you can't argue with the numbers.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-saving-lives

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The death toll from the novel coronavirus in the United States has been climbing steadily lately, with over 2,200 COVID-19 deaths reported, and more than half of those happening just in the last three days. Things are expected to get even rougher in the coming weeks as case numbers climb and our healthcare system gets pushed to its limit. But, there might be one tiny silver lining: the overall death toll could end up being lower than we braced for because people are fundamentally changing how they act during this pandemic. Using CDC data (breakdown below), we looked at weekly US deaths over the last five years (data pulled on March 28, 2020). Figure 1 tracks weekly deaths for all Ages. For 2020, we’ve got data through week 10, which covers the week ending March 7, 2020. There is a massive, sharp downward trend in deaths across all Ages this year when you stack it against the previous five years. In fact, this year looks like a complete break from the usual pattern. If you compare the five-year average to the 2020 numbers through March 7, you'll see that for week 10, there were nearly 9,000 fewer deaths—that's almost a 20 percent drop! You can really see the decline starting after week 7 (the week ending February 15, 2020).

Check out that green curve for 2020—it's diving hard toward March 2020.
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Quote : Siddhartha Sanghi @SidSanghi Weekly deaths in The US Weekly deaths in the US are down by 7,000 to 10,000 for the week ending March 7 2020! Is this a silver lining caused by people changing their habits during COVID-19? These are raw weekly death figures straight from the @CDCgov: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUSDIfuX...jpg&name=small

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Quote : Siddhartha Sanghi @SidSanghi · 19h Replying to @SidSanghi Another 3,000 fewer weekly deaths for the 18-65 demographic for the week ending March 7 2020! Keep in mind, COVID-19 deaths won't really start showing up in these big aggregate totals until after week 12. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUSEKFkX...jpg&name=large

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Quote : Siddhartha Sanghi @SidSanghi Replying to @SidSanghi The drop is especially wild for Ages 0-18—the numbers show about 300 fewer deaths than we usually see in previous years! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUSD4AjX...jpg&name=large

The study wraps up on March 7 2020, so we'll just have to wait and see how things play out down the road.

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

Actually, we *do* know the conditions for infection: contact with a host's mucous membranes...

How is it "pure guesswork" when you're comparing nine days of "life" for Corona against the actual lifespan of an influenza virus?

I'll say it again: I am writing this from the perspective that this isn't like the flu, despite how hard some people insist it is...

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

Scientific analyses are being conducted, and they're increasing every single day... meaning scientists are moving forward and gathering fresh intel...

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

I'm not staying home; I'm working... my wife works from home because we have an office set up...

And how exactly are you going to explain to a kid not to touch their nose, eyes, or mouth? You can tell an adult, sure, but it's a much harder sell for a two, three, or four-year-old...

No, the virus attacks via droplets AND contaminated surfaces... if you're careless and basically "invite" it in yourself...

It’s not quite that black and white...

Adam Collins4 said:So, where’s the actual argument here?

I could just take that exact sentence of yours, slap a "not" in front of it to flip the meaning entirely, and suddenly I'm some kind of genius...

In the meantime—while we're playing word games—people are actually dying and healthcare workers are reaching their absolute breaking point...

Meanwhile, you've got folks in your circle denying reality or claiming this is nothing more than a bad case of the flu...

By all means, go ahead and try to show me how a common flu causes this level of total systemic collapse in the American healthcare system... if you can.

The argument is that any death where they find the virus in a throat swab gets labeled as Covid—mostly because they can't keep up with autopsies.

Death counts from cancer, heart disease, and chronic issues will probably drop to zero soon—which really just means their infection numbers aren't high enough (since they often don't catch it until someone dies), while the death toll looks inflated because everything is being blamed on Covid.

Right now, the mortality rate according to the data is around 10%, which is insane—China saw about 0.7-0.8% once things settled down. Sure, Italy will have higher rates due to a poor response and different age demographics, but they shouldn't be anywhere near 2%.

Even their own virologists are saying the recorded infection numbers are too low—they have no idea when the virus actually hit (some claim the first cases were mid-December)—and they won't know the true impact for quite some time.