Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Adam Collins4 said:Listen, let’s clear the air—nobody here ever talks about actual war stories. If I actually started diving into what things were really like back then, you probably wouldn't get a wink of sleep. Honestly, if you're the kind of sensitive soul who gets worked up just thinking about someone being out of sight for a little while, you’d be running straight to the cops or trying to bust through police blockades at the first sign of trouble. You just aren't built for this stuff.

Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised by your take—it’s not exactly groundbreaking. We saw plenty of people acting just like this back during the early '90s—folks who were more concerned with looking out for their own skin than actually standing up for any real principles or bigger ideals. It’s the same old story, really.

People like you aren't ever going to get people like me—and honestly, I’m not sure we even want to. It’s just one of those things.

Look, I get it. I was eighteen once too—just a kid, really—living abroad when everything kicked off. And then, suddenly, I found myself back home, stepping up to defend my own country.

And no, I wasn't crying just because I won't be seeing someone for a while...

Nothing special? Just the usual.

Having some trouble with your internet connection or your cable signal?

Are you not getting the photos from Italy, Spain, or France?

Don't you ever just feel that sheer, overwhelming desperation coming off their medical staff? It’s palpable.

Look, I guess you’re probably tied up with something—or maybe just too busy to actually make time to see anyone...

And people should just drop dead if anyone dares to claim this isn't a big deal... honestly.

Honestly, it’s just painful watching how people can be this clueless and uninformed when we literally have the entire internet at our fingertips...

Yet here we go again, with more nonsense claiming this is just like the flu...

The R0 for the flu is around 1.4 to 1.7—but the R0 for this crap is pushing 4...

By all means, feel free to show me some photos or videos where "just the flu" causes this kind of total meltdown in the healthcare system or carries this much mortality...

Ten percent of the dead in Italy—and you're out here rambling about the flu...

If I recall correctly—and I remember pretty clearly because it totally floored me—our Secretary of Health actually compared Covid to the flu right when things were starting to spiral here in America. So, yeah... that tells you everything you need to know about the people running this place... 🤦

fadedranger162 said:Well, duh, they tightened restrictions across the rest of the country because once you have one neighborhood hit with cases, it would be a total disaster for a country our size if it spread, but they weren't going for a full-blown lockdown.

It’s like I wrote before—you could see the mess happening in China, and you could already see the chaos in Italy, yet here in America, they let a few thousand people fly back into the country and wander around freely. Plus, they keep them crowded at the border for hours just to get a stamp so they can go into isolation.

They could have put them all in hotels, one per room, so nothing spreads if someone is infected. Thank God we at least have hotels; just station a few cops around the place so nobody escapes and you're done. They were closed anyway, and at least people (cooks, cleaners, etc., even on a reduced scale) would still have jobs.

Just so we're clear and you don't come swinging at me, I'm not saying this is *just* the flu, and yeah, take care of yourself and everyone else. But with all that "above average intelligence" you claim to have, it seems like you've forgotten where you actually live. It's easy for you to talk when you've got a secure job and, luckily, enough work lined up for the long haul, as you put it.

Now, try putting yourself in the shoes of someone with five kids who loses their job because of all this. No savings, living paycheck to paycheck on near minimum wage. For us—meaning the quarter or fifth of the population living right on the edge—we're definitely about to fall over it.

You're also ignoring the other side of the picture. You see it on the news all the time, but they diagnose maybe 100 people with cancer every day; lately, that's dropped to 10 or 20 because nobody wants to go in for checkups. Cancer mortality is around 50%, whereas this is around 2%—and even that might be an underestimate since we don't know how many people are infected if they aren't getting tested. We might save a few hundred lives now, only to lose thousands later because of missed diagnoses for cancer or other illnesses if this drags on much longer.

Look, I’m with you on this—and honestly, I’m probably the first person to step up and say that we shouldn't just grind everything to a halt.

And we really need to get certain things back to normal—you know, the stuff that actually matters for the economy or the healthcare system... everything else is just noise.

Look, when people start whining that this is just like a bad case of the flu, or acting like their life is falling apart because they haven't seen their girlfriend in six days... honestly, those people have no idea what actual hardship looks like. They don't know the first thing about real struggle.

Look, these kinds of bans aren't just some local invention of ours—honestly, most countries are playing by the exact same playbook.

When you take our collective mindset into account—you know, the way we all operate—places like those local dive bars and the neighborhood betting parlors could easily spiral into a total disaster.

Anthony Jackson2 said:The argument is that any death where they find the virus in a throat swab gets labeled as Covid—mostly because they can't keep up with autopsies.

Death counts from cancer, heart disease, and chronic issues will probably drop to zero soon—which really just means their infection numbers aren't high enough (since they often don't catch it until someone dies), while the death toll looks inflated because everything is being blamed on Covid.

Right now, the mortality rate according to the data is around 10%, which is insane—China saw about 0.7-0.8% once things settled down. Sure, Italy will have higher rates due to a poor response and different age demographics, but they shouldn't be anywhere near 2%.

Even their own virologists are saying the recorded infection numbers are too low—they have no idea when the virus actually hit (some claim the first cases were mid-December)—and they won't know the true impact for quite some time.

So, are their doctors hitting a breaking point because of the virus itself, or because of all these people who aren't actually dying from it, but from other underlying issues?

I’ll say it again: until someone can prove that a completely different illness caused this kind of chaos across various countries and healthcare systems, we can't just sit here and claim this is just like the flu...

Jack Cook7 said:Come on, people, stop comparing this to the flu.

- This virus spreads way faster than the flu ever could.
- You’re contagious for days before you even feel sick, which just makes it tear through crowds even quicker.
- Most people have zero immunity to this thing, unlike the seasonal flu where we've got some baseline defense.
- There isn't a vaccine or a cure in sight, and honestly, it doesn't look like we're getting one for at least a year.
- So far, there’s no sign that weather—whether it's hot, dry, or humid—is going to chill it out like it does with the flu.
- It hangs around on surfaces way longer than flu germs. If I remember right, it takes ages for that fatty coating protecting the viral RNA to dry out and kill the thing off.
- As far as we know, the death rate is similar to the flu for certain groups, though the flu usually hits kids and young people harder.

So yeah, trying to call this "just a bad flu" is totally misplaced. Maybe if you're talking about scale, sure. But this? This isn't the flu.

I've seen firsthand what a "common virus" can do to a nursing home. It's a massacre. You see 10 to 15% of the residents end up in the ER overnight, and if they already had health issues, they barely make it out. It happens so fast. I don't even want to imagine the carnage if this thing hits a senior living facility; since everyone is packed together, the devastation is instant and obvious. When it's hitting people in their own homes, it's more spread out, so it's harder for an outsider to see the full scope while everyone is just busy dealing with their own crisis. We saw what happened to hospitals in Italy, and man, it was horrific. Entire wards wiped out in 48 hours. Oncology and pulmonary patients basically stood no chance, ventilator or not.

So please, quit saying "it's just a stronger flu." It really isn't. Maybe in a few years, who knows? Let's hope.

If those crazy lockdowns hadn't happened in China, Korea, Japan, and all over, we'd probably be looking at 300,000 deaths instead of 30,000 by now—and we're barely even getting started. This feels like the first pandemic with real Spanish Flu potential. And remember, that monster didn't even start killing people in earnest until the second wave hit.

It’s a flu. It’ll just be seasonal starting next year. We aren't making up the fact that it's a flu.

And it's just not accurate—if places all over the world are half-assing it like they are here because they lack enough tests, then the number of infected people isn't 734,000; it's probably ten times higher—closer to 7,340,000.

If it turns out the death toll isn't actually 34,781—meaning if we strip away the nonsense being pushed by idiots in Italy and their interpretations—then the numbers aren't even that scary.

We can spin whatever story we want until tomorrow. But the government? They're just playing games with the data.

Kenneth Jones70 said:It’s a flu. It’ll just be seasonal starting next year. We aren't making up the fact that it's a flu.

And it's just not accurate—if places all over the world are half-assing it like they are here because they lack enough tests, then the number of infected people isn't 734,000; it's probably ten times higher—closer to 7,340,000.

If it turns out the death toll isn't actually 34,781—meaning if we strip away the nonsense being pushed by idiots in Italy and their interpretations—then the numbers aren't even that scary.

We can spin whatever story we want until tomorrow. But the government? They're just playing games with the data.

Man, don't even bother with him. You give a guy actual facts and he just plugs his ears and keeps chanting "flu, flu, flu" like a broken record.

Seriously though, I told him, go ahead—head down to a nursing home and catch a regular old flu (DON'T!) and just watch what happens over the next week.

Personally? I’d love to see them mandate two weeks of internship at nursing homes or social care facilities for every 8th grader and high schooler. Just get them in there so they can see what life actually looks like firsthand.

I bet 99% of you would come out of that with a totally different perspective on life and how you treat people.

And it's not even accurate. If places everywhere else are slacking off like they are here because they don't have enough tests—then the number of infected people isn't 734,000, it's probably ten times higher, maybe 7,340,000.

Look, things aren't being handled poorly here, at least not medically speaking. It's more about individual assessments getting lost in the shuffle. There aren't enough tests, so they only test (or should only test) the people showing heavy symptoms.

If it's not true that the death toll is 34,781 but actually less—if we ignore idiots like Italy and their interpretations—we get nothing scary at all.

We can spin whatever story we want until tomorrow. But the government is just playing games with the numbers.

We could talk about the numbers coming out of Japan too; you'd be surprised why they look so low (at least, that's the interpretation I found).

Forget all that—shrink the numbers however you want. We’re all stuck in this mess together, taking hits both financially and emotionally, but treating everything like just a game of percentages and statistics doesn't hold water. It’s easy to dismiss people by saying they’re "elderly" or "high-risk." But those individuals might still have years left to spend with their families, and every single death leaves behind an emotional and economic crater for a huge number of people. My mother is 77 and definitely in a high-risk category, but based on her current health, she’s doing great—it would be devastating if she were taken out just because I wanted some peace of mind...

This isn't the flu; it’s the first wave of this virus, and precisely because we don't know the long-term consequences or whether immunity even develops, precautions are necessary. Sure, we might get hammered financially, but it’s not our first time being broke. Honestly, maybe this is a necessary wake-up call for the entire world—because whether you're in a wealthy nation or a developing one, it forces a shift in perspective. Perhaps family, loved ones, and friends actually matter more than material possessions, despite the materialistic world we inhabit. A great steak can be just as satisfying as a hearty bowl of chili or some comfort food made with lard. Sometimes, sitting around a campfire with good company feels better than a fine-dining experience at a luxury restaurant surrounded by people who just grate on your nerves. Maybe once this isolation passes, we'll finally realize how much more important the people we love truly are compared to stuff.

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You know that specific type of person—the kind who can barely survive forty-eight hours without their partner clinging to them—who suddenly decides this thing straining healthcare systems across the entire country is just some glorified flu...

It’s a funny dynamic, really. On one hand, you’ve got these codependent types who can't function solo, and on the other, you've got total idiots downplaying things people are actually dying from...

So, why don't you just go ahead? Go infect yourself and everyone you care about so you can finally build up some immunity. If your partner gets sick too, just stay tucked away in isolation together... I mean, if it's "just the flu," right?

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

They don't track the real number of flu cases either, so those math equations don't hold water either.

I agree, taking a walk isn't going to put anyone in danger.

brightwolf48 said:Forget all that—shrink the numbers however you want. We’re all stuck in this mess together, taking hits both financially and emotionally, but treating everything like just a game of percentages and statistics doesn't hold water. It’s easy to dismiss people by saying they’re "elderly" or "high-risk." But those individuals might still have years left to spend with their families, and every single death leaves behind an emotional and economic crater for a huge number of people. My mother is 77 and definitely in a high-risk category, but based on her current health, she’s doing great—it would be devastating if she were taken out just because I wanted some peace of mind...

This isn't the flu; it’s the first wave of this virus, and precisely because we don't know the long-term consequences or whether immunity even develops, precautions are necessary. Sure, we might get hammered financially, but it’s not our first time being broke. Honestly, maybe this is a necessary wake-up call for the entire world—because whether you're in a wealthy nation or a developing one, it forces a shift in perspective. Perhaps family, loved ones, and friends actually matter more than material possessions, despite the materialistic world we inhabit. A great steak can be just as satisfying as a hearty bowl of chili or some comfort food made with lard. Sometimes, sitting around a campfire with good company feels better than a fine-dining experience at a luxury restaurant surrounded by people who just grate on your nerves. Maybe once this isolation passes, we'll finally realize how much more important the people we love truly are compared to stuff.

Some people on this board would probably trade their own parents for a cheap pint at a dive bar and $1000.

In the Town of Brtonigla, over in Istria—where we actually lost someone to Covid—they are supposed to be processing pass requests between 8 AM and 12 PM.

?!?!

So, some local government employee just decided his workday should only last four hours? The entire country is at a standstill because of this—there are actual deaths happening right there in that town—and yet a local official decides he’s only working four hours a day?

To make matters worse, the application process changes every single day! If you look at that municipality's official website, it's a mess. Tuesday: here are the instructions. Wednesday: new rules—you can only apply via email. Thursday: more changes—now you can call them too. Half the town is still following Tuesday's rules. It's just total misinformation.

quietviper22 said:Some people on this board would probably trade their own parents for a cheap pint at a dive bar and $1000.

And for some of the older folks, hitting up the local bar is their main source of joy—something quarantine completely stripped away from them.

Adam Collins4 said:🤣

You know that specific type of person—the kind who can barely survive forty-eight hours without their partner clinging to them—who suddenly decides this thing straining healthcare systems across the entire country is just some glorified flu...

It’s a funny dynamic, really. On one hand, you’ve got these codependent types who can't function solo, and on the other, you've got total idiots downplaying things people are actually dying from...

So, why don't you just go ahead? Go infect yourself and everyone you care about so you can finally build up some immunity. If your partner gets sick too, just stay tucked away in isolation together... I mean, if it's "just the flu," right?

It isn't even weeks anymore; we're talking a matter of days now. 🤦 😵

silverwalker27 said:In the Town of Brtonigla, over in Istria—where we actually lost someone to Covid—they are supposed to be processing pass requests between 8 AM and 12 PM.

?!?!

So, some local government employee just decided his workday should only last four hours? The entire country is at a standstill because of this—there are actual deaths happening right there in that town—and yet a local official decides he’s only working four hours a day?

To make matters worse, the application process changes every single day! If you look at that municipality's official website, it's a mess. Tuesday: here are the instructions. Wednesday: new rules—you can only apply via email. Thursday: more changes—now you can call them too. Half the town is still following Tuesday's rules. It's just total misinformation.

That's because 99% of the people handling these permits have never worked a high-volume help desk where they have to churn out standardized results fast, find solutions for exceptions, classify those exceptions, and then fix the standard stuff. Plus, the actual mandates are super vague, and there aren't even any real implementation guidelines.

Honestly, you could fix all of this in 48 hours if the person running the entire national permit system actually knew what they were doing and knew exactly who was working on this at every local municipality.

Adam Collins4 said:So, are their doctors hitting a breaking point because of the virus itself, or because of all these people who aren't actually dying from it, but from other underlying issues?

I’ll say it again: until someone can prove that a completely different illness caused this kind of chaos across various countries and healthcare systems, we can't just sit here and claim this is just like the flu...

What caused it was greed and theft baked right into the entire country, including the healthcare system itself...
That’s what happens when you have enough cash to buy insanely expensive equipment just to snag a 10-20% kickback, but then you can't cover payroll, so your medical staff starts jumping ship.
Then there's when you don't even have the basics like masks and sanitizer, or when you're dealing with hospitals that have a "new wing" built in 1962 and an old wing dating back to 1896...

And then, when something hits you suddenly—even just the flu—you’re in deep trouble. Imagine the mess when something like Covid shows up...
Honestly, we should probably call Covid "the disease of the healthcare system" or "the disease of society," because it perfectly strips everything down and exposes all the weak links...
But hey, it does a damn good job of highlighting the problems that usually stay hidden or get brushed under the rug...
It’s finally showing how incredibly senseless and idiotic these massive municipalities really are. I just hope we don't all collectively decide to forget about it and that something actually changes...

Adam Collins4 said:Look, I’m with you on this—and honestly, I’m probably the first person to step up and say that we shouldn't just grind everything to a halt.

And we really need to get certain things back to normal—you know, the stuff that actually matters for the economy or the healthcare system... everything else is just noise.

Look, when people start whining that this is just like a bad case of the flu, or acting like their life is falling apart because they haven't seen their girlfriend in six days... honestly, those people have no idea what actual hardship looks like. They don't know the first thing about real struggle.

Look, these kinds of bans aren't just some local invention of ours—honestly, most countries are playing by the exact same playbook.

When you take our collective mindset into account—you know, the way we all operate—places like those local dive bars and the neighborhood betting parlors could easily spiral into a total disaster.

It’s not just about six days, either. I’ve heard people saying this could drag on for up to six months. Look, we can draw parallels to Navy sailors and their wives being separated for months at a time, but let’s be real—how many people actually have the emotional stamina to pull that off? Sure, having high-speed internet and FaceTime makes things easier than they used to be, but most people aren't so socially detached that they can just cut ties with their loved ones overnight without it taking a massive toll.

Honestly, it’s actually worse when you’re only a few miles apart and she’s stuck in the next town over where you can't even get to her. That’s way more infuriating than if she were on the other side of the world.

Honestly, if you ask me, we should just make social distancing in grocery stores a permanent thing. I am totally fine with it. There is nothing worse than standing in line and having some stranger breathing down your neck or coughing right in your face because they think being all bunched up is somehow going to speed things up. It’s annoying as hell. As for the temporary shutdowns for restaurants and bars, I can get behind that too. With how much foot traffic there is, it makes sense. Honestly, most people are finally starting to wrap their heads around what's actually happening, so I don't think anyone would even complain about these extra precautions.

Honestly, this whole stay-at-home order is a total joke. It’s way too little, too late—everyone already scattered before they even got the paperwork sorted. And don't even get me started on how fragmented everything is here. Between all these tiny towns and counties acting like their own little kingdoms, nothing ever works together. Plus, you basically have to go beg some local small-town politician for permission every single time you need to cross a county line just to grab something. It's ridiculous.

So, take me for example—I'm one of those lucky people who falls right into the "small town" category, which basically means...9.3 miles Everything basically revolves around him, but let's be real—the kind of crowd gravitating toward that city is mostly people in their 30s...25 miles Look, most people out there have their entire lives and livelihoods tied up in this one hub. Everyone else is living in these tiny little rural towns nearby. Some might have a corner grocery store or maybe a local pharmacy if they're lucky, but for the most part, we're talking real small-town territory here. The whole area only has about 10,000 people between them, and now, all of a sudden, they're being told they need special permits just to go about their daily business. It’s ridiculous.

The idea isn't half bad, but honestly, it needs some work. If they’re going to roll this out, they should probably stick to major metropolitan areas or specific border counties. Otherwise, you're just going to screw over anyone living right on the line between two counties. I know people who live halfway between jurisdictions all the time—they'd end up getting caught in the middle of some bureaucratic mess because of how these boundaries are drawn.

Look, here’s how it works: say someone lives out in the Midwest or somewhere remote and they can't even get out to their own farmland unless they have an official farm business set up. So, what do they do? They just write themselves a pass. If that field happens to be in a different county, they just roll with it because that land is their entire livelihood. Meanwhile, you've got people hitting up a grocery store in Chicago or NYC who end up interacting with way more people in a single afternoon than that farmer does in an entire month.

Look, the measures themselves aren't necessarily bad, but trying to roll them out nationwide is a total joke because the situation isn't even the same from state to state. It’s honestly infuriating. We're basically punishing millions of regular people just because a handful of idiots can't follow the rules, and the folks in Washington are too incompetent to actually manage the crisis properly instead of just slapping a one-size-fits-all bandage on it.

Adam Collins4 said:What are the current infection numbers in Italy, and how many deaths have we seen so far?

Alright, let's keep this moving then—what's the actual mortality rate for the flu?

So, what's the next move then—trying to figure out which one is just a nasty case of the flu and which one is actually the Corona?

I mean, honestly, it really is just like the flu...

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What kind of absolute nonsense are they pulling out of their asses just to ensure that people over 70—who are already dealing with health issues—end up dying from some random virus?

Look, I personally have family members who are well over 70, and I don't want even a single percent of this... just because some people can't seem to stay put at home.

Look, I’m generally on your side here. Comparing Covid to the flu is pretty misplaced, but honestly, this specific argument you're making is just weak. If you actually want to "prove" your point, you'd be much better off dropping this line of reasoning entirely.

Melissa Ward said:Speak for yourself, man. Look, any illness carries a risk of complications or even death—that's just reality. But if you're asking me whether I'd rather spend the next year or two stuck in this kind of quarantine nightmare or take a 2% gamble on potentially kicking the bucket? I'll take my chances with the latter. #BetterDeadThanTrapped

Honestly, even if that probability jumped to 20%, I'd probably make the same call. This isn't really living. Sure, being locked down might be a decent novelty for a week or two, but once you realize we could be facing this for months—maybe even years—and things are only getting worse? There isn't much to weigh there.

We’re headed toward a massive wave of suicides driven by the economic collapse and depression anyway; maybe it’ll be a mercy if the virus gets us first...

About 1% of the American population passes away every single year, so when you look at it that way, a 2% figure isn't exactly some earth-shattering anomaly.

That’s pretty much the direction Sweden went in. (And who knows if they've already pivoted away from it.)

If we want to be brutally honest—bordering on cynical—Sweden is essentially "buying" economic stability (or at least avoiding the massive destabilization that most other countries are facing by implementing strict lockdowns like ours) and "paying" for it with the lives of its citizens, mostly the elderly.

Now, if we push past that cynicism, you have to wonder why we're waiting for Covid to push us in that direction. Why not just implement a permanent solution inspired by the movie "Logan," maybe with a slightly more "humane" age limit, say around 55 instead of 30?

Just imagine how much would be saved on Social Security! (Sweden might not save quite as much as you'd think if they stick to their current path, but they'll still see some savings... 👍)

Sure, some of us would call that inhumane, but honestly, who cares... 🙄

silverwalker27 said:In the Town of Brtonigla, over in Istria—where we actually lost someone to Covid—they are supposed to be processing pass requests between 8 AM and 12 PM.

?!?!

So, some local government employee just decided his workday should only last four hours? The entire country is at a standstill because of this—there are actual deaths happening right there in that town—and yet a local official decides he’s only working four hours a day?

To make matters worse, the application process changes every single day! If you look at that municipality's official website, it's a mess. Tuesday: here are the instructions. Wednesday: new rules—you can only apply via email. Thursday: more changes—now you can call them too. Half the town is still following Tuesday's rules. It's just total misinformation.

You're lucky you even 😁
Around here, they issue them from 10-11 and 2-3...so deal with it 😍
At least we have our own municipality, everyone gets their own 🎉

And no, he isn't the one to blame. We're the ones at fault for agreeing to this nonsense in the first place...
Some people even fought tooth and nail just to get their own local government, so here we are...

It isn't mine—aside from the fact that they live off my tax dollars—since I am currently on the other side of the country.

stormybadger8 said:You're lucky you even 😁
Around here, they issue them from 10-11 and 2-3...so deal with it 😍
At least we have our own municipality, everyone gets their own 🎉

And no, he isn't the one to blame. We're the ones at fault for agreeing to this nonsense in the first place...
Some people even fought tooth and nail just to get their own local government, so here we are...

If they were actually efficient, it would be worth all the fighting we did. You'd have fewer people to worry about and things would get done faster, but nope, it’s actually worse. I’m genuinely curious how many more examples like this are out there. Honestly, I’d bet money that all these bureaucrats are pulling full-time salaries while preaching to everyone else about how the private sector has to survive on minimum wage for months because they "can't" or "aren't allowed" to work right now.

It’s a real drag that when you quote someone, you still see replies from blocked users. They really need to fix that—once you block some guy who’s basically just spreading diarrhea online, you shouldn't have to deal with his nonsense ever again.

👍

It’s wild how a few panic-mongers can try to spread fear to the entire country.

I don't know who’s running moderation here or why they’re letting a handful of people talk trash, but whatever—politics is always going to be the weak link in this whole system.

And as for those folks claiming that "bla bla" everyone is suddenly going to wise up or that we won't value material things as much—yeah, you can forget about that.

If someone has assets right now, they’re enjoying them. And they’ll keep enjoying them later, too. Nobody is coming for their luxury house or their penthouse apartment.

But once you lose your job, and then the federal minimum wage drops—well, the dollar is going to take a massive hit. When people start trading dollars for anything else just to survive, that's when the real questions start.

Honestly? You're probably better off living in an old, beat-up shack where you don't have to sink money into it your whole life. Because look, whenever someone decides to wreck the economy, they're gonna wreck it. It's one of those stupid situations that makes you wonder every single day—is it really going to go down like that?