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Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

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Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#821 ·
Adam Collins4 said:🤣

You know that specific type of person—the kind who can barely survive forty-eight hours without their partner clinging to them—who suddenly decides this thing straining healthcare systems across the entire country is just some glorified flu...

It’s a funny dynamic, really. On one hand, you’ve got these codependent types who can't function solo, and on the other, you've got total idiots downplaying things people are actually dying from...

So, why don't you just go ahead? Go infect yourself and everyone you care about so you can finally build up some immunity. If your partner gets sick too, just stay tucked away in isolation together... I mean, if it's "just the flu," right?

Actually, it is basically the flu—just a strain we have zero immunity or vaccine for.

If I recall correctly, even Berosh mentioned that a standard flu would be way more lethal if we didn't have any existing immunity.

But keep talking—it doesn't matter that you don't have a clue what you're saying. Not that anyone expected anything better from you.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
502 messages
joined Apr 2013
#822 ·
wiredotter89 said:It isn't even weeks anymore; we're talking a matter of days now. 🤦 😵

Honestly, watching these mindless provocations is pathetic—it's what happens when people simply lack basic reading comprehension...

Yeah, it's only been a few days because at the exact moment he complained about being unable to move forward and trying to break through the blockade, it had only been 6 days since the ban was actually issued...

☕
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#823 ·
stormybadger8 said:What caused it was greed and theft baked right into the entire country, including the healthcare system itself...
That’s what happens when you have enough cash to buy insanely expensive equipment just to snag a 10-20% kickback, but then you can't cover payroll, so your medical staff starts jumping ship.
Then there's when you don't even have the basics like masks and sanitizer, or when you're dealing with hospitals that have a "new wing" built in 1962 and an old wing dating back to 1896...

And then, when something hits you suddenly—even just the flu—you’re in deep trouble. Imagine the mess when something like Covid shows up...
Honestly, we should probably call Covid "the disease of the healthcare system" or "the disease of society," because it perfectly strips everything down and exposes all the weak links...
But hey, it does a damn good job of highlighting the problems that usually stay hidden or get brushed under the rug...
It’s finally showing how incredibly senseless and idiotic these massive municipalities really are. I just hope we don't all collectively decide to forget about it and that something actually changes...

By that logic, it's the same story in other countries too, since everyone's healthcare system is under massive strain for those exact same reasons...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#824 ·
Kenneth Jones70 said:It’s a real drag that when you quote someone, you still see replies from blocked users. They really need to fix that—once you block some guy who’s basically just spreading diarrhea online, you shouldn't have to deal with his nonsense ever again.

👍

It’s wild how a few panic-mongers can try to spread fear to the entire country.

I don't know who’s running moderation here or why they’re letting a handful of people talk trash, but whatever—politics is always going to be the weak link in this whole system.

And as for those folks claiming that "bla bla" everyone is suddenly going to wise up or that we won't value material things as much—yeah, you can forget about that.

If someone has assets right now, they’re enjoying them. And they’ll keep enjoying them later, too. Nobody is coming for their luxury house or their penthouse apartment.

But once you lose your job, and then the federal minimum wage drops—well, the dollar is going to take a massive hit. When people start trading dollars for anything else just to survive, that's when the real questions start.

Honestly? You're probably better off living in an old, beat-up shack where you don't have to sink money into it your whole life. Because look, whenever someone decides to wreck the economy, they're gonna wreck it. It's one of those stupid situations that makes you wonder every single day—is it really going to go down like that?

Wait a second—you're talking about people panicking, yet you were just complaining about having to see blocked users because you couldn't ignore them for a few days...

That is the literal definition of panic right there...
Morgan Thompson12 Morgan Thompson12 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2016
#825 ·
Quick question...

I left New York City about 20 days ago, right before all these restrictions and the earthquake hit. I need to head back this week to check on my apartment, grab some paperwork, and pick up some work supplies before heading back down south.

Can I just issue myself a 2-3 day pass on behalf of my employer and travel normally? Do I need to provide a specific "convincing" reason for the pass, or how does that process actually work?

Do I need to have the pass on me while I'm traveling back to ZGB, or is it only required when leaving ZGB?

Is an electronic version of the pass sufficient, or do I need a physical printout? If I print it out here, will it be an issue that it doesn't have an original stamp?

These are probably trivial questions, but honestly, trying to wrap my head around American bureaucracy is giving me more of a headache than the actual virus.
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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joined Aug 2017
#826 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:Actually, it is basically the flu—just a strain we have zero immunity or vaccine for.

If I recall correctly, even Berosh mentioned that a standard flu would be way more lethal if we didn't have any existing immunity.

But keep talking—it doesn't matter that you don't have a clue what you're saying. Not that anyone expected anything better from you.

Gonna go pluck a few more hairs out of my head. I haven't seen a barber in a month anyway, so what the hell, might as well.
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#827 ·
Just so we're clear—back in 2018, 16,000 people in Italy died from the standard flu, and even with these inflated COVID numbers, they aren't anywhere near that yet.
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#828 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:Just so we're clear—back in 2018, 16,000 people in Italy died from the standard flu, and even with these inflated COVID numbers, they aren't anywhere near that yet.

Let me set the record straight. In the Chicago area between 2012 and 2019, about 850 people passed away during the month of March. In just the last thirty days, 1,617 people in the Chicago area have died from coronavirus alone.
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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joined Jan 2016
#829 ·
quietviper22 said:Look, you guys do it because it's your job, not because you're some kind of saintly, altruistic heroes. It's just like how cashiers at Walmart work for a paycheck, not out of some deep sense of solidarity over selling toilet paper.

Exactly. We all work our jobs. Unlike you guys, who aren't working because a decision was made for you—since your roles apparently aren't vital to keeping the country running.
And if I have to go in, I shouldn't have to deal with entitled, self-centered people whining about being stuck at home.
We can swap tomorrow—I'll stay home, even if it's for minimum wage, and you can take my job.

Anthony Jackson2 said:Nobody actually knows what's coming—we'll just have to see if these measures actually work by looking at the fallout.

And honestly, closing the borders when there's a global outbreak is just a standard call.

Except we don't have closed borders.

Melissa Ward said:Speak for yourself, man. Look, any illness carries a risk of complications or even death—that's just reality. But if you're asking me whether I'd rather spend the next year or two stuck in this kind of quarantine nightmare or take a 2% gamble on potentially kicking the bucket? I'll take my chances with the latter. #BetterDeadThanTrapped

Honestly, even if that probability jumped to 20%, I'd probably make the same call. This isn't really living. Sure, being locked down might be a decent novelty for a week or two, but once you realize we could be facing this for months—maybe even years—and things are only getting worse? There isn't much to weigh there.

We’re headed toward a massive wave of suicides driven by the economic collapse and depression anyway; maybe it’ll be a mercy if the virus gets us first...

About 1% of the American population passes away every single year, so when you look at it that way, a 2% figure isn't exactly some earth-shattering anomaly.

Look, nobody is stopping you from finding a job where you actually run the risk of catching something instead of sitting on your couch. There are industries looking for people right now... I saw an ad from Spar the other day—they need staff. Students, workers, whatever. So go for it.
One more thing—if you do catch something, don't go clogging up the hospital and straining the healthcare system. Just be consistent and stay home while you're dying.

I don't know how old you are or if you're just being immature, but the fact that you said this was "okay" at first shows exactly why certain people start crying about how they're going to "snap." You all treated this like an extra vacation—you got to chill for a bit, take some walks in the fresh air, and call it a day.
Honestly, that's on you. Maybe try recalibrating your perspective.

Jesse Hughes6 said:And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.

I definitely agree that sticking to a diet is tough—I never assumed it would be easy—but you really have to frame it for him in a way that makes sense for his age. Just tell him it's what needs to happen, plain and simple. It's a phase, and he'll get through it.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2012
#830 ·
vividranger8 said:If I recall correctly—and I remember pretty clearly because it totally floored me—our Secretary of Health actually compared Covid to the flu right when things were starting to spiral here in America. So, yeah... that tells you everything you need to know about the people running this place... 🤦

02/26/2020:

"This is a disease on par with the common flu. Over 80 percent of those infected show mild symptoms."

Just in case someone decides to scrub the article above:

http://archive.is/7SfQ3
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#831 ·
mellowotter36 said:Let me set the record straight. In the Chicago area between 2012 and 2019, about 850 people passed away during the month of March. In just the last thirty days, 1,617 people in the Chicago area have died from coronavirus alone.

Look, for the record, you don't actually know the death toll—we've already established that.

The average number of flu deaths in the US is around 14,000 annually, looking back since 2013.

🤦

Which, frankly, doesn't mean a damn thing to them.
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#832 ·
Since we’re throwing numbers around—if I recall correctly, we lost about 760 people to the flu last season—it stands to reason our COVID stats should look significantly milder than what they saw in Italy.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#833 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:Actually, it is basically the flu—just a strain we have zero immunity or vaccine for.

If I recall correctly, even Berosh mentioned that a standard flu would be way more lethal if we didn't have any existing immunity.

But keep talking—it doesn't matter that you don't have a clue what you're saying. Not that anyone expected anything better from you.

Oh, please, as if you have a clue...

Every single flu season, we see this exact same chaos tearing through the healthcare system globally...

Whether it’s people sounding the alarm saying "this isn't just the flu"...

Or seeing social distancing measures put in place because of a flu outbreak...

But sure, go ahead and claim it's all just "like the flu." Once you actually stumble upon an argument that holds water—which, let's face it, isn't happening—let me know.
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#834 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Oh, please, as if you have a clue...

Every single flu season, we see this exact same chaos tearing through the healthcare system globally...

Whether it’s people sounding the alarm saying "this isn't just the flu"...

Or seeing social distancing measures put in place because of a flu outbreak...

But sure, go ahead and claim it's all just "like the flu." Once you actually stumble upon an argument that holds water—which, let's face it, isn't happening—let me know.

I already gave you the arguments—maybe try reading for comprehension next time so we can actually move this along.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#835 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:I already gave you the arguments—maybe try reading for comprehension next time so we can actually move this along.

Nah, once you realize that having an opinion isn't the same thing as having an argument, then maybe we can talk...☕

Where are all those examples of the world going into lockdown because of the flu?

And where are the examples of the healthcare system collapsing like this just because of a bad flu season?
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#836 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:Look, for the record, you don't actually know the death toll—we've already established that.

The average number of flu deaths in the US is around 14,000 annually, looking back since 2013.

🤦

Which, frankly, doesn't mean a damn thing to them.

What did we establish? I don't even remember posting here in the first place.

Over the last month, from the coronavirus in the Chicago area, 1,617 people have passed away. Between 2012 and 2019, the total number of deaths in March looks like this: 879, 768, 811, 956, 914, 887, 890, 886. Even if you count every single natural death as a COVID death, your theory still doesn't explain this massive anomaly.
velvetstag5 velvetstag5 Member
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joined Sep 2016
#837 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:Just so we're clear—back in 2018, 16,000 people in Italy died from the standard flu, and even with these inflated COVID numbers, they aren't anywhere near that yet.

Show me where you read that.

In America (with a population of about 330 million), we see around a hundred cases during bad seasons.

If you multiply that by 15, then Italy should be looking at 1,500,

not 15,000.

Something definitely doesn't add up here...
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#838 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Nah, once you realize that having an opinion isn't the same thing as having an argument, then maybe we can talk...☕

Where are all those examples of the world going into lockdown because of the flu?

And where are the examples of the healthcare system collapsing like this just because of a bad flu season?

In a scenario where there’s neither herd immunity nor a vaccine—which doesn't change the fact that the virus is effectively just the flu.

Drawing charts on a forum is a pain, but if you're that lost, I'll try to make it easy for you.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
502 messages
joined Apr 2013
#839 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:In a scenario where there’s neither herd immunity nor a vaccine—which doesn't change the fact that the virus is effectively just the flu.

Drawing charts on a forum is a pain, but if you're that lost, I'll try to make it easy for you.

When you run out of actual arguments, you resort to those mindless ad hominem attacks...

Which—let’s be clear—doesn't change the reality that your opinion isn't an argument...

When you actually find one, let me know...
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
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joined Nov 2015
#840 ·
wiredotter89 said:It isn't even weeks anymore; we're talking a matter of days now. 🤦 😵

Just ignore the troll.
They can't handle anyone having an opinion that isn't their own, so they just ramble on.
Plus, they get offended by anyone who doesn't bow down to His Majesty.

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