Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Bryan Taylor6 said:That's exactly why they should just scrap these senseless restrictions altogether.

It would be better for us, not them, actually.😉

Kenneth Jones70 said:So I try to update my residency info, and the response is basically "sure, just show us proof of where you're staying and you can leave your current address."

Decided to see if anyone else was having luck reporting a secondary residence.

Bammmm—the site is down right now.

Honestly, I’m dying to know what would happen if someone actually showed up at the Department of Homeland Security office to file this in person. 🤣

Total joke.

Due to the high volume of inquiries regarding residency status updates, and to ensure strict compliance with FEMA mandates on movement restrictions and the Department of Homeland Security’s emergency operational protocols during this COVID-19 period, please be advised... All registration and deregistration services at police stations and local agencies across the United States are suspended until further notice. This will remain in effect until the current pandemic conditions subside...

That’s what everyone was thinking...

Melissa Phillips4 said:It’s absurd. You can’t even move within a small town of 2,000 people, yet in a massive metropolis like NYC with at least 8 million residents, everything is business as usual.
I’m forbidden from traveling to Washington, D.C., even though the city limits are barely 100 meters from my street. I can't even pull into a gas station because it’s located 1.2 miles, but somehow it counts as part of the city?
Absolutely terrifying. A total disgrace.

It turns out that in smaller towns, we’re nothing more than second-class citizens... just small fry to the elites.
I’m proposing a 100-meter radius limit from one's residence within major cities...

Jacob Alvarez said:They could probably just let people head home. But honestly? I doubt they'll ditch the rest of the restrictions.

Man, you can go home right now.

______________________________
(First Name and Surname)

______________________________
(address)

______________________________
(SSN)

CITY OF WASHINGTON, D.C.
NEIGHBORHOOD EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE
DISTRICT

______________________________

REQUEST
FOR ISSUANCE OF A PASSPORT
(pursuant to Section II.e. of the Decision by the American Emergency Management Agency regarding the prohibition of leaving one's residence and permanent domicile, CLASS: 810-06/20-01/7, REF NO: 511-01-300-20-14 dated March 23, 2020)

To whom it may concern,

I am requesting the issuance of a passport in accordance with Section II.e. of the Decision regarding the prohibition of leaving one's residence and permanent domicile in America for the following reason:

__________________________________________________ ________________________________
__________________________________________________ ________________________________

for the period: from ____________________ to ___________________.

I declare under penalty of perjury that the information provided in this Request is true, complete, and accurate, and that I have not been issued a quarantine order, which I hereby confirm with my signature.

Washington, D.C.,______________2020.

___________________________________________
Applicant's Signature

In accordance with Article 6, paragraph 1, point (a) of Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and the Council of April 27, 2016 (General Data Protection Regulation), Federal Register, I confirm that I consent to the use of my data for the purpose of issuing the requested document.

PASSPORT

Based on Articles II and III of the Decision regarding the prohibition of leaving one's residence and permanent domicile in America

dated March 23, 2020, the Neighborhood Emergency Management Office of _________________________________________

Authorized Person:

Name and Surname: __________________________________________________ _________________________

Reason for issuance: __________________________________________________ ____________

For the period: from_________________________ to_______________________________

Issued by: ______________________

CLASS:
REF NO:
Washington, D.C., __________________ 2020.

Chief of the Neighborhood Emergency Management Office

__________________________________signed

Deliver to:
1. FEMA (Washington, D.C. Emergency Management Center)
2. Archives

__________________________________________________ ___________

This is a sample passport.

Note: this is non-binding, illegal, etc.

But, fine. Circumstances force us to act against the law.
"In war, laws fall silent," says the Roman proverb.

But, I feel nothing but disgust and revulsion that anyone would restrict your movement..!
A society like this isn't worth existing!

Dana Smith2 said:I read the article and I honestly don't see the issue here.
Why exactly do you think this isn't going to work?
It seems like the same setup we've had before—just with more data points and better coordination between the agencies issuing the permits (at least, in theory).

Either I clicked the wrong link or they’ve already updated the piece.

Regardless, the report stated that the IRS is going to be cross-referencing everything to see how many employees a company actually has on the books (and presumably checking if the person holding the permit is properly registered too), which creates a massive headache for anyone working under a standard contract.

Jessica Booth48 said:Due to the high volume of inquiries regarding residency status updates, and to ensure strict compliance with FEMA mandates on movement restrictions and the Department of Homeland Security’s emergency operational protocols during this COVID-19 period, please be advised... All registration and deregistration services at police stations and local agencies across the United States are suspended until further notice. This will remain in effect until the current pandemic conditions subside...

That’s what everyone was thinking...

It turns out that in smaller towns, we’re nothing more than second-class citizens... just small fry to the elites.
I’m proposing a 100-meter radius limit from one's residence within major cities...

"Everyone"? Is that right? Did they really think about the people working in a different city whose residency permits just expired? Or those folks who just landed a new job and signed a lease, only to find themselves blocked by these sudden mandates before they could even step foot in an office?

If they had actually put any real thought into the consequences, they would have simply allowed for residency extensions for those already registered, or perhaps created an exception allowing for new registrations if you showed up with a valid lease agreement and a letter from an employer—honestly, that would be a much more sensible approach than encouraging people to just drive back and forth across state lines every single day.

This is absolutely appalling. You have some FEMA entity issuing mandates that carry the weight of law, yet if those orders lack actual legal standing, they ought to be considered completely void. The Supreme Court has already made it crystal clear that this kind of overreach is unacceptable.

From a purely legal and procedural standpoint, this is a total disaster.

On a practical level, it’s just mind-numbingly stupid. We’re seeing a situation where some people are granted total freedom to roam all over Washington, D.C., while others are essentially trapped in a tiny town of maybe 80 people. If someone living in one of those rural spots needs to head into a larger city just to grab basic necessities, what are they supposed to do? Pick a fight with the Department of Homeland Security? Ignore directives that are legally invalid? Just pray they don't run into a patrol car? This measure is completely detached from reality and shows a blatant disregard for the actual needs of citizens. If they were serious about this, they could have at least limited movement restrictions to the county level.

A Supreme Court Justice isn't the Supreme Court.

So, what kind of de iure mess are we actually in right now?

It’s pretty obvious. We're looking at total lawlessness.

Legalizing movement within the county is the only logical move here. Besides, they track infection rates based on where people live anyway. If the numbers spike disproportionately, then you just restrict travel to major metropolitan hubs—think Washington, D.C., San Francisco, or Chicago. Only if those measures fail should you start tightening things down to the municipal level. Honestly, just sticking to your place of residence should be enough.

Jacob Alvarez said:A Supreme Court Justice isn't the Supreme Court.

Exactly. Someone really ought to file a petition with the Supreme Court to force them to rule on this pattern where local emergency management directors are issuing regulations that carry the weight of law while simultaneously violating the Constitution.

Maybe we need the Democrats... but they’re out here pushing ideas about year-long mortgage moratoriums instead of actually doing anything useful...

nimbleharbor10 said:Exactly. Someone really ought to file a petition with the Supreme Court to force them to rule on this pattern where local emergency management directors are issuing regulations that carry the weight of law while simultaneously violating the Constitution.

Even that judge has already signaled that the Supreme Court isn't planning on stepping into the fray while the crisis is actually unfolding; they’re just going to wait until everything settles down to decide whether or not things were handled according to the Constitution. It’s the same old story with us—we aren't some stable, functioning nation; we’re more like a chaotic circus where the clowns are running the show. I remember reading about how Rojs was a true visionary who actually understood the underlying mechanics of how power works in a system like this...

Well... if we can actually trust Wikipedia—this is how it looks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_the_United_States

The US has thousands of municipalities.
The smallest municipality by population is a tiny small town in a rural county with just 137 residents. Meanwhile, the smallest by land area is a small town in the Midwest covering only about 6.1 square miles...

A whole municipality spanning just 6 square miles... almost every neighborhood in Washington, D.C. (except for Downtown, which is larger...) would dwarf that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neighborhoods_in_Washington,_D.C.

Perhaps it’s becoming clearer to some people just how extreme these movement restrictions have become...

Kyle Nelson2 said:Maybe we need the Democrats... but they’re out here pushing ideas about year-long mortgage moratoriums instead of actually doing anything useful...

Has anyone actually reached out to the Democratic Party here?
Well—I just did. I sent over the exact same thing I included in my previous post...

☕

Kyle Nelson2 said:Maybe we need the Democrats... but they’re out here pushing ideas about year-long mortgage moratoriums instead of actually doing anything useful...

They probably think they can score some easy political points by doing that, while simultaneously painting themselves as the opposition to the "heroes of Corona."

Americans couldn't care less about "paperwork"; there's an obsession with overreacting, and a general feeling that laws are just things meant to be broken. It’s no wonder that American business doesn't function properly and likely never will, because there is absolutely no legal certainty here. It’s like trying to raise cattle in a swamp full of crocodiles.

Joshua Gray75 said:Well... if we can actually trust Wikipedia—this is how it looks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_the_United_States

The US has thousands of municipalities.
The smallest municipality by population is a tiny small town in a rural county with just 137 residents. Meanwhile, the smallest by land area is a small town in the Midwest covering only about 6.1 square miles...

A whole municipality spanning just 6 square miles... almost every neighborhood in Washington, D.C. (except for Downtown, which is larger...) would dwarf that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neighborhoods_in_Washington,_D.C.

Perhaps it’s becoming clearer to some people just how extreme these movement restrictions have become...

I still think the concept itself is fine. The issue isn't about setting limits—it's about how they're defining what a municipality even is.

Perhaps the most damaging consequence—though one could argue it's the most beneficial, depending on one's perspective—of this decision is that it handed local sheriffs the power to dictate freedom of movement. It seems many of them are quite enjoying these newly acquired authorities. Take, for example, this individual:

The senseless chief of the pointless Municipality of Podstrana near Split. The image at this link speaks volumes: he has ironed his uniform, cleared his desk, and even positioned himself so that his face completely obscures our greatest general in the photo behind him! All he's missing now are the epaulets. Of course, you wouldn't dare challenge him, would you? You simply cannot leave the territory of the magnificent Municipality of Podstrana just to take a child for a walk, visit a partner, or run to the bank... after all, he isn't just anyone; he is the Chief and the commander of the headquarters! To all you unfortunate souls who didn't have the money to buy property in Split and were forced to settle in the ring of suburbs surrounding Split—like Dugopolj, Podstrana, or Kaštel—just stay in your place.
Long live our system of local government and our hundreds of tiny, uniformed sheriffs!

I actually had to laugh at my buddy's situation.
His girlfriend has been living with him for five years now, yet her official address is still listed at her parents' place—apparently, they’re waiting until they actually get married to deal with all the paperwork, change of address, and everything else...

So, if she heads out to the grocery store, she can't exactly head "home"—she has to go back to her folks, and if she wants to get home, she needs an e-Passport. It's quite a show 🤣

James Chavez91 👍>😁 It’s honestly staggering—just how much people are willing to sacrifice just to save a few bucks or shave a little time off their day. 🙏