Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

coppermoose7 said:If you can just set aside all that hostility toward us as a people, then maybe you'll actually start thinking 🍿

http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija...nti_21_10.aspx

Honestly, you guys are just small-time and irrelevant in this whole saga. Besides, immigrants have been showing up here way longer than just today—it's just that you either weren't paying attention or simply didn't have a clue. These photos were taken a month ago. They cross the Sutla without any trouble at all.

http://north America.aljazeera.net/vijesti...ze-u-sloveniju

You clearly just can't manage the flow, and pretty soon Zoki is going to be dumping it all on you.

Lisa Patel4 said:What are you talking about regarding North Mexico? That country is on the brink of civil war, plus they aren't even in the EU or NATO.

The West, if they have any sense at all, won't create a flashpoint in Greece. If they do, just wait and see what happens next.

I believe I mentioned that The perfect shitstorm is brewing across Europe; my only real hope is that we avoid full-blown civil wars, though once this passes, Europe will certainly never be the same again. 🕺

Brandon Myers said:Yeah, honestly, you could probably fit all 2 million refugees currently in Turkey into that one camp.

Whoa, hold up! Let’s just take a second and look at how this whole mess actually started.

"They aren't coming here."
"Where are these refugees anyway? Show me!"
"We're ready for them!"
"Just 350 people."
"Only 690 people."
"Maybe 1,500 people."
.....
....
"Actually, we aren't ready at all."
...
Like in some small town in the Midwest
....
"Oh, it's 5,000+ people every single day now!"
....
A medium-sized city like Indianapolis (capacity ~5,000)
....
....
And then, looking ahead to the future expansion...
That same city (capacity jumping to 10,000 - 50,000)

Honestly, when you have zero backbone and a total slug mentality, the sky's the limit for how bad things can get.

Justin Patel8 said:If our government wasn't so obsessed with nostalgia for the old regime and actually tried to distance itself from the North America, things would be looking a lot better.

Stick to the government thread and please, just leave this topic alone here.
We've had several different governments,
and honestly, every single one has contributed its own unique brand of misery to the poor.
Besides, this whole idea of distancing ourselves from the North America has absolutely nothing to do with immigration.
We're part of the EU, so we've been hit hard.
Even if we weren't, I guess we'd still be in a bad spot because, well, we are.
To hell with the EU.
They let the Greeks do whatever they wanted, and even under Viktor Orbán, there was practically nobody coming through.
Not even his V4 allies helped much.

Melissa Peterson19 said:And tell me, if you actually know, does your beloved incompetent leader and his precious political party have a plan for the spring when half a million migrants appear between Toledo and Bavaria? Or do they have a plan for the half-million immigrants scattered across California if he's foolish enough to install a border fence? Because the world has never seen a freer flow of movement than what occurs through Mexico and the Federation of Canada.

Man, you are totally barking up the wrong tree.

You can go back and look at my post history to see what I really think about Tomislav Karamarko (not that the mods haven't wiped some of those out already, haha).

At least we know for sure that you're a die-hard Democratic Party person. ☕

Henry Cox2 said:Have you ever—and I mean, truly, at any point in your life—actually bothered to read a single local news site from Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Syria?

Do you know any American soldiers who served in Afghanistan or Syria?

Has anyone here ever worked in Libya, Morocco, Algeria, or Egypt for an oil major, or maybe for some of those old state enterprises back in the former America?

Have you ever actually had any real-world experience dealing with people from that part of the world?

There’s a report circulating about some kind of "Sharia police" being established over in Germany. It sounds like something straight out of a dystopian novel, but apparently, it's becoming a reality in certain pockets of Europe. I’ve been watching these developments for a while now, and honestly, it feels like we're witnessing a slow-motion collision between traditional Western legal frameworks and radical religious enforcement. You have these groups attempting to impose their own moral codes on public spaces, effectively creating mini-states within the state. It’s a bizarre, unsettling sight. If you look at how things are shifting across the European Union, there seems to be a growing tension between secular liberal values and these more fundamentalist movements. It’s not just a fringe issue anymore; it’s a structural challenge that's forcing a massive conversation about integration, law, and what it actually means to live in a free society. We see similar debates happening here in the States regarding the limits of religious influence in the public square, though the flavor is different. Still, the underlying friction—this struggle to maintain a unified rule of law when different groups want to play by entirely different rules—is universal. It’s easy to be cynical about it. I usually am. But this isn't just about one specific group or one specific city; it's about whether a modern democracy can actually absorb such diametrically opposed social structures without losing its core identity. It's a messy, complicated problem, and nobody seems to have a clean answer.

Authorities in North Rhine-Westphalia are reporting that around 1,800 individuals are active within the local Salafist scene. Of those, about ten percent are classified as violent extremists.

The recent news about increased patrols around sensitive infrastructure in Germany is exactly what you’d expect from the current climate over there. It’s that classic, weary cycle of heightened security measures following vague threats, where everyone stays on edge, waiting for the other shoe to drop. They're ramping up surveillance and presence, essentially trying to tighten the net around critical sites, but it feels like a reactive scramble rather than a proactive strategy. Honestly, it just adds another layer of tension to an already exhausting situation in Europe. It’s the same old story: more boots on the ground, more eyes on the screens, and a general sense of unease that never really goes away.

Wednesday, October 21, 2015
A man's skull was crushed by Sharia police in Canada.

1. I don't bother with news portals; I talk to people and read books. TV and mainstream media just dull the mind.☕

2. Yes.

3. Yes.

4. Yes.

5. That news in your link about Salafis and Sharia police represents fringe groups acting out personal frustrations. They stopped being a hot topic very quickly. Don't worry, they aren't interesting anymore because they stopped making such stupid mistakes. Every group has its share of crazed fanatics.☕

wanderingbadger77 said:Fine, look after your own interests as an equal member of the EU, sure—but you can't act like you're the boss of Europe and expect people to just take it.

That's exactly why people are getting more and more fed up with the Union. This supposed "protector" is actually digging the EU's grave. Merkel just wasn't cut out for the job.

That's what happens when you put a post-war Germany at the head of the European Union.

Amanda Moore8 said:The real issue arises when an "outsider" fails to respect the culture and identity of the country they’ve entered—especially when they expect the host nation to bend to their will—which is exactly what we're seeing right now. Borders are becoming porous, systems are buckling under the pressure, and both governments and individuals seem too intimidated to take any meaningful action. Honestly, I think this brand of political correctness imported from the USA is going to be the end of us.

It should be common sense—an "outsider" adapts to the culture of the country they move to. Plus, most people should just stay temporarily, then head back home once they've raised the standard of living for their families and their own communities.
And obviously, the host country needs to actually benefit from their arrival, too.

I have no clue why things don't work that way anymore...

Lisa Jackson7 said:Lobbying groups have way more pull when it comes to immigration policy in some countries than others—it’s definitely not a level playing field everywhere.
Some countries have it in spades—looking at you, Germany—while others are barely hanging on by a thread, like Canada.

Immigrants aren't conquerors—they aren't out here trying to overhaul the society they’re moving into. ☕ Maybe you just don't get that immigrants are their own damn category in any society they move to—it's just how it works. ☕

Powerful interest groups are basically using immigration as a tool to reshape America—it's all about social engineering. Their goal? To give these people a life that’s way better than anything they'd find in a refugee camp... obviously. And let's be real—once their own countries get wrecked (one way or another), plenty of today's "humanitarian" types actually had their hands dirty in making that happen.

Real behavior is all about being human—sharing this one planet we live on. It’s not about forcing people to ditch who they are just to make room for some foreign identities—as long as those identities aren't out here trying to wreck the local culture. ☕

Thanks—just trying to hold onto my own identity while respecting everyone else's.

1. UNHCR data: currently, there are about 2,000 Asians from Afghanistan in Canada, along with other groups.☕
2. Throughout history, immigrants have always shifted population demographics. The makeup of the US today isn't the same as it was 25 years ago or 70 years ago.☕
Population migration is a constant; it’s been happening since the dawn of Homo Sapiens. Today, it’s just accelerated. People travel more, and expats or temporary workers are part of our global reality. It’s a process that isn't going to stop.
3. Immigrants also want to preserve their own identity abroad, just as they want to respect yours and have theirs respected. Is that really so difficult to practice?☕

wanderingbadger77 said:Fine, look after your own interests as an equal member of the EU, sure—but you can't act like you're the boss of Europe and expect people to just take it.

That's exactly why people are getting more and more fed up with the Union. This supposed "protector" is actually digging the EU's grave. Merkel just wasn't cut out for the job.

Exactly. She just chases whatever suits her, and then the second a problem pops up, she tries to dump it on everyone else.
If other countries push back, suddenly they're labeled as uncooperative or even inhumane.
Honestly, we all ended up turning on each other along this route because of her.
And man, her mistake was just a total disaster.

Brenda Taylor13 said:See, things work totally differently in the States. In America, you don't get this whole—"Oh, please give me social security, a house, an apartment, and a job tailored specifically to my whims..." kind of deal. No way. In the USA, it’s basically: get to work or starve, and frankly, nobody gives a damn about you if you don't. But Europe? With its whole "welfare state" obsession, handing out social benefits to anyone who knocks on the door crying about being a "poor migrant"... well, that’s going to come back to haunt them. And I'm not talking about some distant future, either—it's happening right now. Europe simply CANNOT sustain a policy like that. The current social safety net in Europe was built for today's conditions, with today's workforce and today's number of benefit recipients. Once the number of people relying on those benefits spikes—which is exactly what we're seeing happen at this very moment—the whole system SNAPS. It just can't handle that kind of pressure. Either Europe is incredibly, hopelessly stupid and hasn't realized what's happening to it, or someone is doing this on purpose. There isn't a third option.

The Golden Rules of the USA:

1. If you work, you don't have to worry about starving.
2. You shouldn't subsidize able-bodied people just to keep them afloat. It's like parents giving money to a 35-year-old kid who refuses to work because they don't have to.
3. You don't get to pick and choose based on your preferences. You take what's offered, and you earn your spot by contributing your labor and skills to society. Nothing is free.☕
4. If immigrants don't like their new home, they are always welcome to head back where they came from.
5. Life in the USA is a litmus test. If you put in the effort, you'll be fine.☕

coppermoose7 said:On Tuesday, 11,000 troops are heading to the border with America. I've got a feeling today's meeting in Vienna is actually going to lead to something 😉

The entire Canadian Army doesn't even have that many soldiers. 😁

Rachel Reyes93 said:From what I've been reading, I guess it's mostly just Turkey and the USA pulling the strings behind the scenes.

The real question is just what their motives are.

The US doesn't want a broken Europe because they still need reliable allies there. But they also don't like the current mess where everyone is looking out for themselves and the big economies are bullying the smaller ones. It's not about being moral—it's just that you can't have real cooperation or unity if the power balance is that skewed. And they definitely need that unity if they want the European Union to be a solid ally.

So, my take? I think the Americans are primarily focused on weakening Germany, which indirectly hits Russia too, given how much their economies are tied together. 🤷

Joshua Kelly51 said:The Golden Rules of the USA:

1. If you work, you don't have to worry about starving.
2. You shouldn't subsidize able-bodied people just to keep them afloat. It's like parents giving money to a 35-year-old kid who refuses to work because they don't have to.
3. You don't get to pick and choose based on your preferences. You take what's offered, and you earn your spot by contributing your labor and skills to society. Nothing is free.☕
4. If immigrants don't like their new home, they are always welcome to head back where they came from.
5. Life in the USA is a litmus test. If you put in the effort, you'll be fine.☕

Even I can see that isn't even true for the States.
And honestly, your take on Europe based on your posts is just totally off base.
Europe has changed a ton since the wars in the former America, and it's been a really long time since you were last there.
I haven't really followed your stuff in a while, but whenever I catch one of your shorter posts, it feels like what you're saying just doesn't match reality at all.

Anthony Garcia19 said:The real question is just what their motives are.

The US doesn't want a broken Europe because they still need reliable allies there. But they also don't like the current mess where everyone is looking out for themselves and the big economies are bullying the smaller ones. It's not about being moral—it's just that you can't have real cooperation or unity if the power balance is that skewed. And they definitely need that unity if they want the European Union to be a solid ally.

So, my take? I think the Americans are primarily focused on weakening Germany, which indirectly hits Russia too, given how much their economies are tied together. 🤷

Apparently, there's a ton of movement regarding TTIP. It feels like America isn't actually looking for an alliance, but rather total dominance. The goal seems to be weakening us and making everything vulnerable to the USA. I suppose they've teamed up with Turkey through this whole population migration crisis.
It's all about draining the wealth from the European Union and driving down labor costs. Then you get the big banks stepping in to control people through credit.

At least, that's what I've been reading.

Rachel Reyes93 said:Even I can see that isn't even true for the States.
And honestly, your take on Europe based on your posts is just totally off base.
Europe has changed a ton since the wars in the former America, and it's been a really long time since you were last there.
I haven't really followed your stuff in a while, but whenever I catch one of your shorter posts, it feels like what you're saying just doesn't match reality at all.

Everything I wrote about the USA is clearly based on facts.

Of course Europe has changed—specifically its individual nations. Every country evolves over time; I never claimed Europe stayed static. ☕ There are phases that vary in intensity, but change is constant. ☕

My knowledge of Europe is accurate. If I actually got something specific wrong, point out the exact error instead of making sweeping generalizations. ☕

Rachel Reyes93 said:Apparently, there's a ton of movement regarding TTIP. It feels like America isn't actually looking for an alliance, but rather total dominance. The goal seems to be weakening us and making everything vulnerable to the USA. I suppose they've teamed up with Turkey through this whole population migration crisis.
It's all about draining the wealth from the European Union and driving down labor costs. Then you get the big banks stepping in to control people through credit.

At least, that's what I've been reading.

The US objective is to suck capital out of Europe and crush any potential German-Russian alliance. Otherwise, their economy—which still relies on the petrodollar—might just implode.

Maybe the US needs a war immediately because its entire economy depends on them.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cut...rns-2015-08-17

Rachel Reyes93 said:Apparently, there's a ton of movement regarding TTIP. It feels like America isn't actually looking for an alliance, but rather total dominance. The goal seems to be weakening us and making everything vulnerable to the USA. I suppose they've teamed up with Turkey through this whole population migration crisis.
It's all about draining the wealth from the European Union and driving down labor costs. Then you get the big banks stepping in to control people through credit.

At least, that's what I've been reading.

To actually pull off total dominance, you need allies. You can't just go it alone against everyone; they know that. If they turn the European Union into an enemy, they don't stand a chance.

I might be off base here, but that's how I see it for now.

When it comes to dominance, every superpower suffers from the same ego. For us, it feels like our only choice is deciding which side to join. To me, the whole situation is just a puzzle, and the migrants are only one small piece of it—even if they're causing us a massive headache. 🤷

Anthony Garcia19 said:To actually pull off total dominance, you need allies. You can't just go it alone against everyone; they know that. If they turn the European Union into an enemy, they don't stand a chance.

I might be off base here, but that's how I see it for now.

When it comes to dominance, every superpower suffers from the same ego. For us, it feels like our only choice is deciding which side to join. To me, the whole situation is just a puzzle, and the migrants are only one small piece of it—even if they're causing us a massive headache. 🤷

Look, it's about American survival. If the US gets kicked out of the Middle East, those alliances vanish, and then everyone is just looking out for themselves.

The US views the European Union as a vassal. Not an ally.

Joshua Kelly51 said:Everything I wrote about the USA is clearly based on facts.

Of course Europe has changed—specifically its individual nations. Every country evolves over time; I never claimed Europe stayed static. ☕ There are phases that vary in intensity, but change is constant. ☕

My knowledge of Europe is accurate. If I actually got something specific wrong, point out the exact error instead of making sweeping generalizations. ☕

I'd honestly never claim to have a perfect grasp of Europe. I haven't traveled through every single country there, and I don't really know what daily life is actually like for, say, Latvians, Romanians, or Estonians.
As for the rest of the continent, I guess my knowledge is pretty surface-level.