Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Anthony Garcia19 said:To actually pull off total dominance, you need allies. You can't just go it alone against everyone; they know that. If they turn the European Union into an enemy, they don't stand a chance.

I might be off base here, but that's how I see it for now.

When it comes to dominance, every superpower suffers from the same ego. For us, it feels like our only choice is deciding which side to join. To me, the whole situation is just a puzzle, and the migrants are only one small piece of it—even if they're causing us a massive headache. 🤷

The whole plan is to shake up Europe economically and now with these migration issues, and then they swoop in acting like the "reliable friend."
Everything just works on the principle of whoever's stronger gets to call the shots.
I'd sure love it if migrants were just a "tiny piece" of the puzzle. To us, they're a total catastrophe.

Lisa Patel4 said:The US objective is to suck capital out of Europe and crush any potential German-Russian alliance. Otherwise, their economy—which still relies on the petrodollar—might just implode.

Maybe the US needs a war immediately because its entire economy depends on them.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cut...rns-2015-08-17

And who stands to gain from all this? And how do winners usually act?

I don't know what to tell you. Some people think Americans are pure evil, but honestly, evil just follows power wherever it goes (mostly because power tends to exploit others). It just shifts around; it doesn't ever really disappear, at least not in the history we know...

Lisa Patel4 said:The US objective is to suck capital out of Europe and crush any potential German-Russian alliance. Otherwise, their economy—which still relies on the petrodollar—might just implode.

Maybe the US needs a war immediately because its entire economy depends on them.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cut...rns-2015-08-17

Yeah, it’s basically just a way to impoverish Europe and leave them totally beholden to loans in the end.
US policy is pretty much run by bankers, I guess. You make a killing off wars and drugs, so it makes sense.

Lisa Patel4 said:Look, it's about American survival. If the US gets kicked out of the Middle East, those alliances vanish, and then everyone is just looking out for themselves.

The US views the European Union as a vassal. Not an ally.

But what if that doesn't happen? If we stay in the Middle East...

Anthony Garcia19 said:And who stands to gain from all this? And how do winners usually act?

I don't know what to tell you. Some people think Americans are pure evil, but honestly, evil just follows power wherever it goes (mostly because power tends to exploit others). It just shifts around; it doesn't ever really disappear, at least not in the history we know...

Who profits from looting and wars? The exact same people who have been doing it for centuries.

The US government basically declared itself the New Roman Empire. They even drafted their own blueprint for a New American Century.

Personally, I have an immense amount of respect and appreciation for America, especially back before the fall of the USSR.

But today? Today, America supports the absolute worst elements of humanity just to maintain global dominance.

Rachel Reyes93 said:I'd honestly never claim to have a perfect grasp of Europe. I haven't traveled through every single country there, and I don't really know what daily life is actually like for, say, Latvians, Romanians, or Estonians.
As for the rest of the continent, I guess my knowledge is pretty surface-level.

Admitting you're uninformed is human enough, but making an effort to understand different cultures and traditions is a choice. In this century, the barrier to entry is basically zero. You have books, virtual tours, or just talking to people who have actually lived abroad. It isn't a difficult "assignment"; it just requires a bit of curiosity. That’s the first step toward grasping how much reality differs from your own culture, lifestyle, or religion. Honestly, the comments on this thread regarding immigrants and refugees shock me. Most of them seem rooted in pure ignorance or hostility—which is ironic, considering people love to complain about how "uneducated" these groups are. Smh. ☕

Lisa Patel4 said:Who profits from looting and wars? The exact same people who have been doing it for centuries.

The US government basically declared itself the New Roman Empire. They even drafted their own blueprint for a New American Century.

Personally, I have an immense amount of respect and appreciation for America, especially back before the fall of the USSR.

But today? Today, America supports the absolute worst elements of humanity just to maintain global dominance.

Before the Americans showed up in Afghanistan, there wasn't really a drug problem there, but now they're basically running the trade because the whole place is flooded with it.

Rachel Reyes93 said:Yeah, it’s basically just a way to impoverish Europe and leave them totally beholden to loans in the end.
US policy is pretty much run by bankers, I guess. You make a killing off wars and drugs, so it makes sense.

Yeah. I honestly think their end is coming. There’s no sustainable model built on constant looting and riding stock market algorithms—that's all modern finance really is. It's just artificial value. An economy needs a real foundation, and I guess America is losing that faster than anyone realizes.
That’s exactly why they put the gold plating on everything. I guess it just makes sense.

Anthony Garcia19 said:But what if that doesn't happen? If we stay in the Middle East...

Nothing to see here. Moving on. I guess they’ll just bleed the Saudis dry until there's nothing left, leaving them to tear each other apart in tribal warfare. Maybe.

Rachel Reyes93 said:The whole plan is to shake up Europe economically and now with these migration issues, and then they swoop in acting like the "reliable friend."
Everything just works on the principle of whoever's stronger gets to call the shots.
I'd sure love it if migrants were just a "tiny piece" of the puzzle. To us, they're a total catastrophe.

I'm pretty much on the same page. There's no real friendship here, just pure self-interest.
A single puzzle piece in a much bigger scheme. Whether we get swept away or just temporarily sidelined... I honestly don't know.

Joshua Kelly51 said:Admitting you're uninformed is human enough, but making an effort to understand different cultures and traditions is a choice. In this century, the barrier to entry is basically zero. You have books, virtual tours, or just talking to people who have actually lived abroad. It isn't a difficult "assignment"; it just requires a bit of curiosity. That’s the first step toward grasping how much reality differs from your own culture, lifestyle, or religion. Honestly, the comments on this thread regarding immigrants and refugees shock me. Most of them seem rooted in pure ignorance or hostility—which is ironic, considering people love to complain about how "uneducated" these groups are. Smh. ☕

Look, I’m not trying to force my lifestyle on you, but let's be real—books aren't going to give you the actual vibe of Europe.
Theory doesn't mean much if you never actually face reality.

Rachel Reyes93 said:Before the Americans showed up in Afghanistan, there wasn't really a drug problem there, but now they're basically running the trade because the whole place is flooded with it.

I know.

Anthony Garcia19 said:I'm pretty much on the same page. There's no real friendship here, just pure self-interest.
A single puzzle piece in a much bigger scheme. Whether we get swept away or just temporarily sidelined... I honestly don't know.

Germany actually benefits from this because they want to drive down labor costs using migrants. That was always the Merkel-esque goal, I suppose. Now, their economy is basically just hanging on by a thread while social programs eat everything up.

Lisa Patel4 said:Who profits from looting and wars? The exact same people who have been doing it for centuries.

The US government basically declared itself the New Roman Empire. They even drafted their own blueprint for a New American Century.

Personally, I have an immense amount of respect and appreciation for America, especially back before the fall of the USSR.

But today? Today, America supports the absolute worst elements of humanity just to maintain global dominance.

I think you missed my point. I was talking about profiting from crashing the American economy.

Anthony Garcia19 said:I think you missed my point. I was talking about profiting from crashing the American economy.

I guess nobody actually wins here. China would lose its biggest customer, and Russia would suddenly find itself facing a massive new rival right on its doorstep. Without America, even BRICS falls apart. And Europe? They’d be left totally exposed without any real protection.

Americans are basically driving themselves off a cliff. Their own reckless, irrational, borderline psychotic policy of triggering color revolutions and constant wars is just self-destructive.

I don't think China or Russia would be any better off if America collapsed.

Justin Patel8 said:The EU doesn't have much ground to stand on when criticizing the Canadians. They don't deal with the kind of traitorous political elites we see here in America.

For us—well, the American left and their voter base—what the EU thinks matters way more than our own actual security. Honestly, they've always just been subservient little followers.

Now you see why it wasn't an Austro-American union, but rather Austro-Canadian.

Thomas Nelson25 said:Oh please—the Canadians will probably end up just like the Greeks at the end of this whole thing, except the wire stays put while we and the Canadians get absolutely wrecked... it would actually work in his favor if things in Turkey and Greece don't go south and trigger a massive wave of millions of new refugees.

On the contrary, Zoran Milanović is actually being pretty pragmatic here—protecting interests and playing his hand well. The rest of it is just those (so-called) patriots dragging the Canadians into the pre-election drama.

What happens tomorrow if the GOP government shuts down the borders and ends up in clashes with refugees? Get real for a second.

What would we even gain if immigrants bypassed us just like they bypass Canada?

Rachel Reyes93 said:Look, I think this whole offer is basically just a slap in the face to Canada. And hey, it’s not like we actually have to drive these migrants around from now on. We could probably just stop.
Maybe we’ll pick up some points for being cooperative or whatever.

They want to get to Germany, so how exactly are we supposed to act as a hotspot?
A Greek island is one thing, but here, it’s all land borders.

I mean, sure, it might be a problem for a little while, but are they really going to live in tents for five years on $33 monthly welfare? They’ll probably just head back to Turkey before that happens.

Why would that (or anything else) pose a threat to us just for a short time?
And how is it that the Canadians and Bulgarians, who have fences on their borders, don't have these kinds of worries?

Rachel Reyes93 said:Look, I’m not trying to force my lifestyle on you, but let's be real—books aren't going to give you the actual vibe of Europe.
Theory doesn't mean much if you never actually face reality.

Aha, so now we're claiming immigrants are mostly illiterate? Apparently, young immigrants from those countries are actually more literate than their older generations—averaging around 83%, not under 20% like some people claimed earlier (I already posted the link).

Using a hateful tone toward people from different cultures just screams ignorance, apathy, and frustration. It's pure fear. Everything can be fixed with education, but clearly, it's easier to just sit there and insist your own culture or country is superior to everyone else's.☕

I wasn't just talking about theoretical knowledge; I was talking about using all available sources to get quality information, which includes firsthand experience.☕

Joshua Kelly51 said:Aha, so now we're claiming immigrants are mostly illiterate? Apparently, young immigrants from those countries are actually more literate than their older generations—averaging around 83%, not under 20% like some people claimed earlier (I already posted the link).

Using a hateful tone toward people from different cultures just screams ignorance, apathy, and frustration. It's pure fear. Everything can be fixed with education, but clearly, it's easier to just sit there and insist your own culture or country is superior to everyone else's.☕

I wasn't just talking about theoretical knowledge; I was talking about using all available sources to get quality information, which includes firsthand experience.☕

Don't try to maliciously twist my words or misrepresent what I actually said.

Lisa Patel4 said:I guess nobody actually wins here. China would lose its biggest customer, and Russia would suddenly find itself facing a massive new rival right on its doorstep. Without America, even BRICS falls apart. And Europe? They’d be left totally exposed without any real protection.

Americans are basically driving themselves off a cliff. Their own reckless, irrational, borderline psychotic policy of triggering color revolutions and constant wars is just self-destructive.

I don't think China or Russia would be any better off if America collapsed.

I actually think China is a big enough market all on its own, and they still have the rest of the world to deal with (regardless of what the USA does).
Russia might face a huge rival in China, but if they want to avoid that, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place: it's either the USA or China. Or am I totally missing something?

If everyone else is a heavyweight and we're just left feeling small and insignificant, what can we even do? I guess we try to stick together to protect our own interests where we can. That's why I'm such a fan of the idea behind a regional alliance like the Visegrád Group...

Anthony Garcia19 said:I actually think China is a big enough market all on its own, and they still have the rest of the world to deal with (regardless of what the USA does).
Russia might face a huge rival in China, but if they want to avoid that, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place: it's either the USA or China. Or am I totally missing something?

If everyone else is a heavyweight and we're just left feeling small and insignificant, what can we even do? I guess we try to stick together to protect our own interests where we can. That's why I'm such a fan of the idea behind a regional alliance like the Visegrád Group...

In today's world, a small nation can barely survive on its own. That's just realpolitik.

Russia and China are allies only because it serves them against American imperialism. Once America falls, they'll be rivals again. The USSR and China actually fought a war back in 1969. It’s definitely not like India and China are allies. Brazil is basically politically irrelevant here. And China depends on Russian energy, much like Germany does.

What the Russians want is a Europe without Americans, a divided Middle East, and control over Central Asia. That way, they control almost 80% of the world's resources. Everything else, the Americans can just take for themselves.

The Visegrád Group is a decent start.

Lisa Patel4 said:In today's world, a small nation can barely survive on its own. That's just realpolitik.

Russia and China are allies only because it serves them against American imperialism. Once America falls, they'll be rivals again. The USSR and China actually fought a war back in 1969. It’s definitely not like India and China are allies. Brazil is basically politically irrelevant here. And China depends on Russian energy, much like Germany does.

What the Russians want is a Europe without Americans, a divided Middle East, and control over Central Asia. That way, they control almost 80% of the world's resources. Everything else, the Americans can just take for themselves.

The Visegrád Group is a decent start.

I need to chew on this some more! 😵 I'm still pretty new to all these geopolitics!
Glad to see we're on the same page regarding the Višegrad Group.