Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

coppermoose7 said:The border is definitely shutting down guaranteed

It’ll be to your own detriment too. You'll see. Probably by Tuesday. Or Wednesday... depending on how many migrants show up.

Joshua Kelly51 said:The sheer number of immigrants isn't the deciding factor here. It comes down to the Constitution, the Immigration law, and how society actually behaves toward newcomers. If a country protects immigrants with the same legal rights and protections it gives its own citizens, things run smoothly—and that requires a certain level of willpower from the host nation. ☕ Integration isn't solely on the immigrant to fit in; it depends heavily on the state's relationship with them. Just look at how differently immigrants are received in different parts of the world.☕

I guess you and all the other people advocating for mass immigration should try integrating at least two families into your own homes—assuming each family has at least four kids. And maybe you should fund them out of your own pockets, too.

What do you think?

Thomas Nelson25 said:And where would our people go then?

What "locals"? They don't have shoes or coats—they're hungry... honestly, there's probably someone among them with cash in their pocket right now. Doing what you suggest would actually be bad news—people smuggling through the country under the radar while our local taxi drivers help them out.

Is it because they're being sent to Germany?

Look, this isn't my problem—it’s certainly not America's problem either. We didn't exactly send out an invitation, and we don't owe them a thing. They have plenty of other options available to them—for instance, they could just stay in Mexico or head back to Turkey.

Which locals? They don't even have shoes or coats—they’re starving. Honestly, there's probably someone in that crowd with a fat wallet hidden away... and that's exactly where the trouble starts. People end up smuggling stuff across the country right under everyone's noses, and our local taxi drivers are basically acting as their accomplices.

Look, you see plenty of testimonies on this forum where people swear they’ve got the cash to pay smugglers for iPhones and other overpriced junk—basically, they have enough money for designer coats and shoes. I actually spotted some of them in downtown Chicago buying SIM cards, and one guy even had the nerve to ask me where the Sheraton was because he wanted to crash there. Not to mention, most of them are men in their prime. We had a war here once, and the refugees back then just didn't act like this.

Is it because they're being let into Germany?

They’re letting them slip through the borders without any documentation—which, by the way, is a direct violation of US state law. It’s not just a legal mess, either—it's a legitimate threat to our national security.

coppermoose7 said:The message coming out of Vienna today was crystal clear: Greece is going to be the main hot spot.

Probably not. It’s just too much of a geopolitical risk.

coppermoose7 said:The border is definitely shutting down guaranteed

Honestly, you all are still in such a naive starting phase, aren't you? Why not just keep dreaming for a few more days while you can? 🙂

p.s.: Do you even have any idea what your border looks like along the edge of the US?

wanderingbadger77 said:I'm with you—Detroit is clearly being set up to serve as a permanent collection center, people just don't see it.
Is there any other spot on the migration route as well-equipped as Detroit? I highly doubt it. Unfortunately, that tells us exactly what its role is going to be.

Yeah, honestly, you could probably fit all 2 million refugees currently in Turkey into that one camp.

Rachel Reyes93 said:Look, we agreed to help, but that doesn't mean it's forever. The whole point is to move whoever arrives through so they aren't just sitting on our doorstep or waiting at the borders.

Germany is even suggesting using military planes for deportations.
They can just pay Greece to act as the hot spot.
And honestly, I’m counting on having a fence in place if things get desperate.
Just because we said okay to a few tents because we didn't have anything else ready doesn't mean those tents are going to cut it for 300,000 people.

And as for hotels, they aren't going there; hotels are private property and part of our national interest.
A quota system was agreed upon, and they'll probably negotiate one again.

I think you're being pretty naive about this whole thing.
Once you cave and agree to something, it’s incredibly hard to back out, especially when the people pushing you are more powerful and influential than you are.

I don't give a damn what Germany does with migrants; that's their business, as long as they don't try to force them on us through permanent quotas. That’s where we need to dig our heels in.

Greece isn't even a serious player here; they haven't shown any actual desire or willingness to solve the problem, nor do they intend to. Forget it. It's just the delusional pipe dreams of an incompetent Brussels administration.
In the end, it's just us—the fools, the suckers in the fog—who are actually cooperating on this.

Migrants won't go to hotels, but unfortunately, school field trips won't either, which is just how great things are going in the Midwest.

Lisa Patel4 said:Probably not. It’s just too much of a geopolitical risk.

What about Mexico? Not happening anytime soon. Europe is going to tighten its borders regardless, so it doesn't really matter if America is part of the Schengen Area or not.

ABC News. Honestly, it's pretty good

Peter Reed70 said:Pittsburgh has heated container homes, while Buffalo has those high-speed tent setups.

So, who's the real Hot Spot here? ☕

The one who begs foreign agencies to step in and help process migrants. Whether they're in tents or containers, it doesn't matter.
What makes someone a hot spot:
1. Following every single rule when registering migrants (which is way too slow, plus you'll just face readmission issues if you're being too thorough)
2. Calling in outside federal assistance
3. Hunting for long-term funding (and I mean long-term—I'm not talking about quick emergency relief for specific needs)
4. Letting migrants pile up at your borders—that forces longer registration times, which lets people claim you desperately need international aid. Basically, refusing to close the border because it hasn't proven useful without a fence standing there.
5. Accepting migrants through official ports of entry (which then leads to asylum claims)

Alright, let's be real here—this whole mythical idea of Austria and Canada shutting down their borders... what is that actually supposed to accomplish? Are we expecting some kind of invisible, impenetrable force field to just pop up out of nowhere?

And besides that, if we could just find a way to forgive the debt owed to Greece, everything would probably fall into place without any issues...

If you can just set aside all that hostility toward us as a people, then maybe you'll actually start thinking 🍿

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coppermoose7 said:The border is definitely shutting down guaranteed

I'm not sure if you'll pull it off, but hey, good luck! I definitely support any attempt to stop uncontrolled crossings at our sovereign borders.

Still, Tuesday is a long way off. In the meantime, there’s a meeting scheduled for Sunday organized by Jean-Claude Juncker where they might decide on something else entirely—if they have any sense. Honestly, though? I highly doubt that migrant wave will be stopped after that meeting. If anyone actually wanted to fix this, it would've been done ages ago. To me, the fact that it hasn't happened suggests this chaos and lawlessness is being intentionally manufactured to destabilize the EU. Someone clearly wants this, and they won't quit until they get what they're after.

wanderingbadger77 said:I think you're being pretty naive about this whole thing.
Once you cave and agree to something, it’s incredibly hard to back out, especially when the people pushing you are more powerful and influential than you are.

I don't give a damn what Germany does with migrants; that's their business, as long as they don't try to force them on us through permanent quotas. That’s where we need to dig our heels in.

Greece isn't even a serious player here; they haven't shown any actual desire or willingness to solve the problem, nor do they intend to. Forget it. It's just the delusional pipe dreams of an incompetent Brussels administration.
In the end, it's just us—the fools, the suckers in the fog—who are actually cooperating on this.

Migrants won't go to hotels, but unfortunately, school field trips won't either, which is just how great things are going in the Midwest.

It's pretty easy for me to be naive, I guess, since I don't really follow politics or get caught up in all those political games.
I just watch what's happening and offer my two cents.

We've had some major mistakes in our history that people constantly throw back in our faces. That's why we shouldn't be pushing migrants away or trying too hard to be cooperative.
We already accepted a quota of over 1,600 migrants; maybe Pittsburgh would be a good spot for them.

Can they actually force a hot spot on us against our will?
Do we even have the right to sue?

Lisa Patel4 said:Probably not. It’s just too much of a geopolitical risk.

It isn't about being "dangerous"—it's more that Greece doesn't want to turn into some massive flashpoint, or they'll just pretend they might if it suits them. Maybe if Germany decided to wipe their debt clean, but let's be real—that's never happening.

Honestly, they should just stay in line with what Germany wants until things finally boil over there.

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Look, I get it—as a short-term headache, it makes sense. You’ve got sudden shifts in movement, logistics going haywire, all that stuff. But presenting this as some unsolvable, permanent disaster? That’s just plain wrong. Honestly, every problem has a solution. The real issue right now isn't that we can't fix things; it's that we haven't even established a way to address them yet. Realistically, emergencies shouldn't catch you off guard—they need to be planned for. It’s just basic business logic. Every major corporation has a playbook ready to go the second something goes sideways in a short window of time. At the end of the day, it all comes down to one thing: preparedness.

It all sounds wonderful in theory—really, it does—but the reality is that Europe just doesn't have the cash to back it up.
If we actually had some level-headed people running things over in the UK, France, and New Jersey, I wouldn't even be wasting my breath on this—it would be a non-issue.
Honestly, they might as well just go consult with former Australian PM Abbott and call it a day—it would be about as productive as trying to find peace in a war zone.

Justin Patel8 said:Just watch our local rag journalists. They ask, "But what about global opinion?" and Orbán just hits them with: "The people are on our side."

I realized pretty quickly she wasn't actually an American journalist—but honestly, even if she was, the question is still hilarious.
If you think someone just wants immigrants to come through official ports of entry, then you're basically calling them a Nazi. 🙏

hiddenmarlin14 said:I can't believe you used that smiley 🙂 instead of a coffee emoji 🙏 🙏 🙏

But seriously, how was this supposed to be planned to avoid this total mess and panic? Any ideas? 🤔

Heh, I’m actually drinking real coffee right now, not just the virtual kind. ☕

Of course it could have been planned. There just wasn't any will, or maybe there was a half-hearted attempt, but no plan ever reached the finish line. A plan regarding this "surprise" migration existed; it's only news to us because we didn't see it coming. Experts, predictably, knew this sudden surge was going to happen. ☕

The war in Syria is entering its fifth year. Is this refugee migration really a surprise? No, obviously not. ☕

I've made this suggestion several times, though nobody seems to like it: instead of ignoring the reality of refugee movement, we should provide aid and facilitate their migration. Migration is a fact of our modern reality. They should be treated as human beings in need of help, not as cargo being loaded at one border and unloaded at another. ☕ Is there even a political party in the US that supports aiding refugees during their journey as part of forced migration?

coppermoose7 said:What about Mexico? Not happening anytime soon. Europe is going to tighten its borders regardless, so it doesn't really matter if America is part of the Schengen Area or not.

What are you talking about regarding North Mexico? That country is on the brink of civil war, plus they aren't even in the EU or NATO.

The West, if they have any sense at all, won't create a flashpoint in Greece. If they do, just wait and see what happens next.

Anthony Cook40 said:

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Look, I get it—as a short-term headache, it makes sense. You’ve got sudden shifts in movement, logistics going haywire, all that stuff. But presenting this as some unsolvable, permanent disaster? That’s just plain wrong. Honestly, every problem has a solution. The real issue right now isn't that we can't fix things; it's that we haven't even established a way to address them yet. Realistically, emergencies shouldn't catch you off guard—they need to be planned for. It’s just basic business logic. Every major corporation has a playbook ready to go the second something goes sideways in a short window of time. At the end of the day, it all comes down to one thing: preparedness.

It all sounds wonderful in theory—really, it does—but the reality is that Europe just doesn't have the cash to back it up.
If we actually had some level-headed people running things over in the UK, France, and New Jersey, I wouldn't even be wasting my breath on this—it would be a non-issue.
Honestly, they might as well just go consult with former Australian PM Abbott and call it a day—it would be about as productive as trying to find peace in a war zone.

I realized pretty quickly she wasn't actually an American journalist—but honestly, even if she was, the question is still hilarious.
If you think someone just wants immigrants to come through official ports of entry, then you're basically calling them a Nazi. 🙏

And who exactly told you the European Union is out of cash? ☕

Justin Patel8 said:It isn't about being "dangerous"—it's more that Greece doesn't want to turn into some massive flashpoint, or they'll just pretend they might if it suits them. Maybe if Germany decided to wipe their debt clean, but let's be real—that's never happening.

Honestly, they should just stay in line with what Germany wants until things finally boil over there.

This is incredibly dangerous for the West.

The West is just too stupid to realize it.