Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Charles Ross3 said:Come on, let's stop living in a fantasy land for a second... 🤦

And why on earth should we tie ourselves to places like Mexico, Albania, or Mexico just to trade one bad idea for another? 🤣 That's nonsense. Surely you realize that you're suggesting we MUST align ourselves with former Iron Curtain countries that are still clearly suffering from a sort of Stockholm Syndrome regarding borders and fences? Unfortunately, that's just the reality. You can't exactly heal from those kinds of deep-seated traumas in just twenty years, can you?

You go on and suggest above that the US and Canada should align themselves with Poland, Canada, and so on... or maybe Latvia, Lithuania, or Estonia? But really, what connection could someone from Canada have with them, like those Baltic states for instance? 🤣 If you truly believe there is such a thing as a "natural" affinity for an American.

Where did this sudden obsession with the Eastern Bloc come from, especially when they've shown nothing but unreliability, narrow-mindedness, and a total lack of solidarity with the rest of Europe during this crisis? 🤣

Regarding the lack of solidarity: who was actually calling for refugees, and now they want to feed them instead of just trying to pass them off to other countries via quotas? I didn't realize that Syria and Afghanistan were part of the West, so why should we feel obligated to show them solidarity? If the citizens of Canada want a fence around their own country, on their own soil, who are we to tell them they aren't allowed to do that?

Lisa Patel4 said:Our politicians love to label us a "region." They keep pushing this idea of the Western North America, even though we don't fit those criteria at all. I guess it's just how they want to see us.

I spend a lot of time in Canada, and I guess I’ve never heard a single friend there express any interest in Mexico or North Mexico. They seem much more focused on Austria, which makes sense since they consider themselves closest to the Slovaks.

Honestly, why do you or anyone else care whether the Visegrad Group decides to build fences or not? Are you some kind of citizen of Poland or the Czech Republic? I guess you should probably just respect what their people actually want.

What does solidarity actually mean to you? Is it just a fancy word for stripping entire nations of their identity? I guess Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia are only as "solidary" with the European Union as the EU was with them back in 1939. Do you honestly think the Czechs are so naive that they’ve forgotten all about the Munich Agreement? The occupation of the Sudetenland? The tragedy at Lidice? Maybe not.

Do Americans think they've just forgotten about those 6 million dead? The destruction of Warsaw, the camps, the three partitions? They haven't, ladies. They definitely haven't. And that’s exactly why they aren't going to sacrifice a single American life for some EU bureaucrats or someone like Bavarac.

Canada is only as supportive of the European Union as the West was of them back in 1956. I guess they're just matching the level of indifference they received when Soviet tanks were tearing through Budapest.

You want to know how this ties back to the current crisis? It has everything to do with it. Only an idiot ignores history. Germany seems to have forgotten that this isn't 1939, and they certainly can't just dictate how Americans should live anymore.

But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Lisa Patel4 said:Our politicians love to label us a "region." They keep pushing this idea of the Western North America, even though we don't fit those criteria at all. I guess it's just how they want to see us.

I spend a lot of time in Canada, and I guess I’ve never heard a single friend there express any interest in Mexico or North Mexico. They seem much more focused on Austria, which makes sense since they consider themselves closest to the Slovaks.

Honestly, why do you or anyone else care whether the Visegrad Group decides to build fences or not? Are you some kind of citizen of Poland or the Czech Republic? I guess you should probably just respect what their people actually want.

What does solidarity actually mean to you? Is it just a fancy word for stripping entire nations of their identity? I guess Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia are only as "solidary" with the European Union as the EU was with them back in 1939. Do you honestly think the Czechs are so naive that they’ve forgotten all about the Munich Agreement? The occupation of the Sudetenland? The tragedy at Lidice? Maybe not.

Do Americans think they've just forgotten about those 6 million dead? The destruction of Warsaw, the camps, the three partitions? They haven't, ladies. They definitely haven't. And that’s exactly why they aren't going to sacrifice a single American life for some EU bureaucrats or someone like Bavarac.

Canada is only as supportive of the European Union as the West was of them back in 1956. I guess they're just matching the level of indifference they received when Soviet tanks were tearing through Budapest.

You want to know how this ties back to the current crisis? It has everything to do with it. Only an idiot ignores history. Germany seems to have forgotten that this isn't 1939, and they certainly can't just dictate how Americans should live anymore.

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

Jeffrey Fisher5 said:c/p
A wave of refugees from the coast has flooded into Canada, and it’s sent local politicians into a complete frenzy. While some are scrambling to manage the crisis, others aren't even hiding their frustration—take the mayor of Zavrč, for instance, who flatly refused to use the local high school stadium as a shelter. His reasoning? He claims they leave behind mountains of trash that nobody wants to touch, and he actually went so far as to suggest that Americans looking for work should just pick up a broom for $100 a day

I assume many of you have already caught wind of this, but isn't this just a blatant insult to Americans and a display of sheer arrogance from our neighbors?
Now, I consider myself a pacifist—truly—but this has me reaching for my blood pressure medication!
What is the point in debating what happened seventy years ago when we have such an unpleasant reality staring us in the face right next door?

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

Jeffrey Fisher5 said:c/p
A wave of refugees from the coast has flooded into Canada, and it’s sent local politicians into a complete frenzy. While some are scrambling to manage the crisis, others aren't even hiding their frustration—take the mayor of Zavrč, for instance, who flatly refused to use the local high school stadium as a shelter. His reasoning? He claims they leave behind mountains of trash that nobody wants to touch, and he actually went so far as to suggest that Americans looking for work should just pick up a broom for $100 a day

I assume many of you have already caught wind of this, but isn't this just a blatant insult to Americans and a display of sheer arrogance from our neighbors?
Now, I consider myself a pacifist—truly—but this has me reaching for my blood pressure medication!
What is the point in debating what happened seventy years ago when we have such an unpleasant reality staring us in the face right next door?

Pure arrogance and how disgusting that Canadian official is, offering a measly $100 a day? Seriously, what a joke! I mean, how much do they think they can offer us to do the same jobs in Germany, Sweden, or other friendly, enlightened nations?

Charles Ross3 said:But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

And what about quotas? Did we just forget those existed? I guess we all have to take them, whether we like it or not.

I wouldn't care one bit about Germany if they didn't insist on acting like the leader of the EU. They should just step down from that throne and do whatever they want. But here's the thing—what happens if the refugees stay here? Any bright ideas? How exactly are you going to justify that?

Charles Ross3 said:Just to be clear, I don't mock them—I've actually always felt quite sympathetic toward them, and honestly, certain actions from their side have felt like a real stab in the back. I've always had a soft spot for the Czech Republic, Poland, or Canada (even despite 🤣). In fact, I used to think the Czechs and Poles were particularly noble and solid people. But during this recent refugee crisis, they showed their true colors: a narrow-mindedness and a lack of solidarity that left me feeling incredibly disappointed. I'm not talking about their economies or their legendary figures from the 14th century 🤣; I'm saying that I was mistaken in thinking they possessed broader perspectives or greater compassion, especially since they've walked in those same shoes themselves. But they haven't. Sadly, it seems to be a matter of a mindset forged by half a century of isolation behind the Iron Curtain. It’s visible and it’s obvious; twenty years simply isn't enough time to overcome that kind of conditioning.

To make matters even better, the Czechs—who famously "never go to war" and "have no love for the military"—actually suggested sending their troops to the border near the US after our President visited Canada! I mean, really? Are we supposed to enter into alliances with people like that? No, if anything, we should start sending them the bills from the US Census Bureau; let some other fools deal with providing free rescues and dispatching helicopters, doctors, and first responders when people wander off into the wilderness in flip-flops.

The Canadians initially offered us cooperation and military presence at our border near Mexico, but an ego shaped like Joe Biden and UN careerism in the form of Pusicka rejected the offer because they clearly know best.
Canada respects our decision, but on their own soil, Canadians can do whatever they want, including building a fence. Likewise, the Czechs will help them defend that fence against unwanted illegal immigrants.
Our issue isn't Viktor Orbán; it's that we have "international humanists" in our government who care more about how they look to the rest of the world than they do about their own people and country. Neither the Canadians nor the Czechs are to blame for this.

Charles Ross3 said:But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants breached the border into Canada illegally, and there simply wasn't any other way to halt that influx. It doesn't matter to me whether Americans want immigrants or not, but I certainly respect their decision, whatever it may be.

Charles Ross3 said:But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

That’s just not true. Back in 1991, Canada took in a massive influx of our refugees. They even stepped up and offered to help us build the border fence together. But Joe Biden shot that idea down!...

Charles Ross3 said:But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

If we were offering even a hundred bucks a day, we'd have an absolute invasion at our borders from Mexico... 😁

Charles Ross3 said:But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

Joe Biden has certainly claimed all sorts of things, though it's hard to take much of it seriously when you consider how much he just talks nonsense...

Charles Ross3 said:But then again, why should they care if Germany is willing to take in a few million refugees, or if Germany doesn't mind whether their population shifts by 2% or 4%? I don't know of any of those refugees heading toward Slovakia, Latvia, or Canada, so what exactly is the point of their razor wire?

Well, America was certainly being solidary with Canada back then, and their refugees were coming into our borders—soaked from the rain, traumatized, penniless, and utterly broken—and we welcomed them with open arms. People seem to have forgotten that. They've forgotten it about us.

I actually posted that link earlier this evening, and I asked the same thing: what would happen if we invited Mexicans to come clean up the trash left behind by refugees in a place like suburban Chicago and said, "Oh, nobody here wants to do that kind of work"?

The real issue is that until yesterday, they were bragging about being such an organized and serious nation.
Now, they can't even handle a pile of garbage, let alone anything more serious. Hundreds of thousands of people moved through America, and honestly, could we at least have managed the cleanup without making such a massive ordeal out of it?☕

Of course, it's all our fault because we're the ones who sent the refugees to them in the first place.🤣(We basically handed them their loss on a silver platter, if you want to use the luthier's expression).

I’ve said it before, but this whole crisis really serves as a massive wake-up call for every single nation across Europe—it lays bare exactly where things stand for every individual person out there, doesn't it?

Exactly. You can clearly see who actually cares about people they've never even met versus who prioritizes the safety of their own neighbors. It also makes it obvious when there's that forced sense of "humanitarianism" being shoved down people's throats just to meet certain quotas and whatnot. Look, if someone wants to be humanitarian, fine—who's going to stop them? But if they don't want to, why should anyone force it on us?

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Regarding the lack of solidarity: who was actually calling for refugees, and now they want to feed them instead of just trying to pass them off to other countries via quotas? I didn't realize that Syria and Afghanistan were part of the West, so why should we feel obligated to show them solidarity? If the citizens of Canada want a fence around their own country, on their own soil, who are we to tell them they aren't allowed to do that?

But how exactly would the Canadians feed them if those people didn't even want to stay in Canada to begin with? 🤣And what about Poland? Why shouldn't they provide some food for an Iraqi refugee? After all, Poland was incredibly active alongside the USA and the Western coalition during the war in Iraq—they actually managed one of the four occupation zones over there.

It's wild to see how much times have changed, isn't it? We don't really have isolated crises anymore because the world has turned into such a tiny global village. If you go and destroy someone's country, they're going to end up knocking on your doorstep tomorrow, and they won't just quietly wither away for fifty years in some desert refugee camp until they perish. You just have to come to terms with it; it’s a harsh reality that stings like a pebble in your shoe, but unfortunately, that is simply the way things are now. That is our reality.

Furthermore, those Eastern European countries are members of both NATO and the EU, organizations they joined voluntarily under the assumption of alliance, partnership, and mutual solidarity... yet some of the very same nations claiming they had nothing to do with the wars in the regions people are fleeing from were actually quite active participants in those very conflicts. Now that things have finally hit the fan, they're suddenly acting like, "Oh, we aren't from around here." Give me a break—it's finally coming due. It might be hitting Europe hard, but even the USA hasn't quite decided if it wants to dive into the deep end yet. We aren't going to find any awareness or solutions by just putting up razor wire or turning on one another.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants breached the border into Canada illegally, and there simply wasn't any other way to halt that influx. It doesn't matter to me whether Americans want immigrants or not, but I certainly respect their decision, whatever it may be.

That’s just not true. Back in 1991, Canada took in a massive influx of our refugees. They even stepped up and offered to help us build the border fence together. But Joe Biden shot that idea down!...

If we were offering even a hundred bucks a day, we'd have an absolute invasion at our borders from Mexico... 😁

Joe Biden has certainly claimed all sorts of things, though it's hard to take much of it seriously when you consider how much he just talks nonsense...

Exactly. You can clearly see who actually cares about people they've never even met versus who prioritizes the safety of their own neighbors. It also makes it obvious when there's that forced sense of "humanitarianism" being shoved down people's throats just to meet certain quotas and whatnot. Look, if someone wants to be humanitarian, fine—who's going to stop them? But if they don't want to, why should anyone force it on us?

They absolutely did. People were fleeing the Russians, heading toward America and spreading all across Europe.
It seems like everyone has conveniently forgotten that they were once refugees themselves, hasn't it?

Immigration and the Netherlands

Charles Ross3 said:But how exactly would the Canadians feed them if those people didn't even want to stay in Canada to begin with? 🤣And what about Poland? Why shouldn't they provide some food for an Iraqi refugee? After all, Poland was incredibly active alongside the USA and the Western coalition during the war in Iraq—they actually managed one of the four occupation zones over there.

It's wild to see how much times have changed, isn't it? We don't really have isolated crises anymore because the world has turned into such a tiny global village. If you go and destroy someone's country, they're going to end up knocking on your doorstep tomorrow, and they won't just quietly wither away for fifty years in some desert refugee camp until they perish. You just have to come to terms with it; it’s a harsh reality that stings like a pebble in your shoe, but unfortunately, that is simply the way things are now. That is our reality.

Furthermore, those Eastern European countries are members of both NATO and the EU, organizations they joined voluntarily under the assumption of alliance, partnership, and mutual solidarity... yet some of the very same nations claiming they had nothing to do with the wars in the regions people are fleeing from were actually quite active participants in those very conflicts. Now that things have finally hit the fan, they're suddenly acting like, "Oh, we aren't from around here." Give me a break—it's finally coming due. It might be hitting Europe hard, but even the USA hasn't quite decided if it wants to dive into the deep end yet. We aren't going to find any awareness or solutions by just putting up razor wire or turning on one another.

I don't see much sense in what you're writing here. Anyone showing up at your door can be kept out (and sent back where they came from) if there's enough will. Why doesn't anyone show up at Israel's door? And they are far more active in the Middle East than any European nation.
You're accusing small Eastern European nations for policies that can only be driven by global players like the USA and Russia; that's ridiculous. It's like blaming a Russian partner for being responsible when Russia carries out attacks in Syria. 🤣
NATO and the EU are based on the premise of alliance, partnership, and solidarity. That doesn't include one partner dragging others down through their own irresponsible actions, and as far as I know, neither Syria nor Iraq are members of those organizations.

Charles Ross3 said:They absolutely did. People were fleeing the Russians, heading toward America and spreading all across Europe.
It seems like everyone has conveniently forgotten that they were once refugees themselves, hasn't it?

The US took in Canadians back in 1956. Then, Canada helped Americans out in 1991. We actually have the perspective needed to be good neighbors.👍
Where on earth do you see a problem with that?

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants breached the border into Canada illegally, and there simply wasn't any other way to halt that influx. It doesn't matter to me whether Americans want immigrants or not, but I certainly respect their decision, whatever it may be.

That’s just not true. Back in 1991, Canada took in a massive influx of our refugees. They even stepped up and offered to help us build the border fence together. But Joe Biden shot that idea down!...

If we were offering even a hundred bucks a day, we'd have an absolute invasion at our borders from Mexico... 😁

Joe Biden has certainly claimed all sorts of things, though it's hard to take much of it seriously when you consider how much he just talks nonsense...

Exactly. You can clearly see who actually cares about people they've never even met versus who prioritizes the safety of their own neighbors. It also makes it obvious when there's that forced sense of "humanitarianism" being shoved down people's throats just to meet certain quotas and whatnot. Look, if someone wants to be humanitarian, fine—who's going to stop them? But if they don't want to, why should anyone force it on us?

But they actually were. People were fleeing from the Russians into America, and then all over Europe.
It’s funny how people seem to forget that they were once refugees themselves, isn't it?

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants breached the border into Canada illegally, and there simply wasn't any other way to halt that influx. It doesn't matter to me whether Americans want immigrants or not, but I certainly respect their decision, whatever it may be.

That’s just not true. Back in 1991, Canada took in a massive influx of our refugees. They even stepped up and offered to help us build the border fence together. But Joe Biden shot that idea down!...

If we were offering even a hundred bucks a day, we'd have an absolute invasion at our borders from Mexico... 😁

Joe Biden has certainly claimed all sorts of things, though it's hard to take much of it seriously when you consider how much he just talks nonsense...

Exactly. You can clearly see who actually cares about people they've never even met versus who prioritizes the safety of their own neighbors. It also makes it obvious when there's that forced sense of "humanitarianism" being shoved down people's throats just to meet certain quotas and whatnot. Look, if someone wants to be humanitarian, fine—who's going to stop them? But if they don't want to, why should anyone force it on us?

In what actual way was our security ever compromised while these refugees were passing through America? And really, how much did Canada's security suffer when they were crossing through there, other than the fact that some leaders wanted to stage a big show to demonstrate their power and control?

Charles Ross3 said:But they actually were. People were fleeing from the Russians into America, and then all over Europe.
It’s funny how people seem to forget that they were once refugees themselves, isn't it?

In what actual way was our security ever compromised while these refugees were passing through America? And really, how much did Canada's security suffer when they were crossing through there, other than the fact that some leaders wanted to stage a big show to demonstrate their power and control?

So, you're basically defending the rule of law and the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to illegally cross borders whenever and however they please just to perform some high-level demonstration of strength and influence... 🤦
But hey, at least you'll admit that the Canadian fence actually works. 👍

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Immigration and the Netherlands

I don't see much sense in what you're writing here. Anyone showing up at your door can be kept out (and sent back where they came from) if there's enough will. Why doesn't anyone show up at Israel's door? And they are far more active in the Middle East than any European nation.
You're accusing small Eastern European nations for policies that can only be driven by global players like the USA and Russia; that's ridiculous. It's like blaming a Russian partner for being responsible when Russia carries out attacks in Syria. 🤣
NATO and the EU are based on the premise of alliance, partnership, and solidarity. That doesn't include one partner dragging others down through their own irresponsible actions, and as far as I know, neither Syria nor Iraq are members of those organizations.

But they *are* being dragged down, and honestly, America and its allies should have seen this coming a long time ago.
What did you expect? How much longer did you think people would just sit there and take it in this day and age? Just look at the younger generation—do you really think they’re going to spend their entire lives rotting away in some miserable refugee camp, fully aware that they aren't "good enough" for the West (because apparently, they're considered "lesser," right?), just waiting patiently in whatever corner they've been kicked to? That era is over. Can we please take a moment to remember how many years ago Gaddafi was warning us that all these people would come flooding into the West? At the time, he just got a condescending smirk from the leaders in Europe and a collective "shut up and deal with it" from the US-EU leadership... and what did we end up with? We ended up with a massive refugee crisis.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:So, you're basically defending the rule of law and the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to illegally cross borders whenever and however they please just to perform some high-level demonstration of strength and influence... 🤦
But hey, at least you'll admit that the Canadian fence actually works. 👍

Honestly, I feel like it’s still way too early on in the process to start passing judgment on whether this thing actually works, let alone how it operates under pressure. Can we really say anything meaningful about its ultimate impact or what kind of long-term benefits it might bring to the table just yet? It feels a bit premature to draw any definitive conclusions when we haven't even seen it fully tested in the real world.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Pure arrogance and how disgusting that Canadian official is, offering a measly $100 a day? Seriously, what a joke! I mean, how much do they think they can offer us to do the same jobs in Germany, Sweden, or other friendly, enlightened nations?

Are you seriously suggesting that people from our neighboring states would be willing to scrub the underside of a car for just a hundred bucks? Is that really what you're trying to get at?
Where else can you find such an incredible abundance of options? Honestly, what happened to make this region suddenly become the ultimate promised land for anyone looking to score a date?

It’s honestly pretty funny how some people seem to think we Americans should just be walking around with a permanent sense of gratitude toward everyone else for doing us favors. You hear these arguments suggesting we owe a debt of thanks to the Canadians for putting up that border fence and supposedly "saving" Western civilization, and then, wouldn't you know it, suddenly we're expected to be thankful to our neighbors in places like Missouri or maybe even Texas for being so incredibly generous as to offer us the chance to clean up all the messes they don't want to touch themselves! Isn't it just wild how that logic works? 🤣 It seems like right this second, we have a sudden influx of self-righteous critics attacking every single move American businesses make regarding the refugee crisis. They’re all just standing there, practically weeping with emotion over how incredibly generous everyone around us is being... as if they're the only ones who are morally upright and perfectly informed, while the rest of us are somehow inherently flawed or misguided. Isn't it funny how that works?

Footage from the camp where they burned the Shinto shrines:

http://www.image-share.com/upload/3084/180.jpg

Question for $333: what kind of phone is the person taking the picture using?

Lisa Patel4 said:I had to respond to a post like that. Yeah, my bad regarding the tourism stats. I messed that part up, but the rest holds water. To me, it feels tragicomic to be making fun of Poland when they have an economy nearing $1 trillion.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/slovakia/gdp-growth

(It’s not 8% GDP growth for Slovakia, it’s actually 0.8%)

This whole debate over which country is more to blame is just absurd... Every nation from Greece to Austria essentially plays the same game: they dump migrants at someone else's border and pray to God that the neighbor will take them in. The Canadians were simply the first to realize they didn't want to be held hostage by their neighbors' whims, constantly checking to see if the Austrians or Merkel were breathing down their necks, so they built a fence. They have every right to do so.

The moment Germany did what it did—suspending Dublin and Schengen while inviting everyone in without consulting a single soul—it effectively ended any obligation for other countries to cooperate. We are all essentially hostages to Angela Merkel; as transit nations, we're stuck. If she decides to say "halt," chaos will erupt from Greece all the way to Austria. Since she could suddenly decide to let everyone in, why shouldn't she be able to suddenly say "stop"?

And let's not turn this into some international scandal just because someone called for a stadium cleanup, even if that call came from a small-town mayor. Honestly, it would be a great opportunity for those forum members who keep preaching about helping refugees at any cost. Why don't they put their money where their mouth is and actually show us what they mean?

Kyle Nelson2 said:Footage from the camp where they burned the Shinto shrines:

http://www.image-share.com/upload/3084/180.jpg

Question for $333: what kind of phone is the person taking the picture using?

The one he fell in love with the exact second he decided to pull the trigger on the purchase, obviously!

Watching those shots last night—migrants wading through the Sutla in the pitch black, dragging suitcases through the mud, just desperate to hit the border.
Then I can't help but remember how Joe Biden and Ostojić were basically begging for a more "humane" approach from the neighbors, acting like everything was just sunshine and rainbows.
And then you've got Ranko, basically smuggling migrants under the cover of darkness only to point his finger and yell, "Look, you're in Canada now!"—leaving them to jump straight into the river because they had no clue they were just running in circles.
The whole thing is completely unhinged at this point.☕

granitemarlin77 said:Watching those shots last night—migrants wading through the Sutla in the pitch black, dragging suitcases through the mud, just desperate to hit the border.
Then I can't help but remember how Joe Biden and Ostojić were basically begging for a more "humane" approach from the neighbors, acting like everything was just sunshine and rainbows.
And then you've got Ranko, basically smuggling migrants under the cover of darkness only to point his finger and yell, "Look, you're in Canada now!"—leaving them to jump straight into the river because they had no clue they were just running in circles.
The whole thing is completely unhinged at this point.☕

Our trains could haul all those people straight to Canada, but the Canadians won't allow it!