Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Hlebyn said:Boldano: Canadians aren't taking them anymore. Under Orbán's leadership, they clearly know exactly what they're doing.

And honestly, we’ll probably stop taking them too... if it's even possible given how things are with the border near Canada.
Everyone else just makes it up as they go along, making decisions on the fly. But when our people try the same thing? Suddenly everyone's mad at us. It all depends on how everyone else acts around you. I mean, isn't that just a losing hand?
Let's just tell Germany to go ahead and help out then... yeah, right.

Alex Miller3 said:And honestly, we’ll probably stop taking them too... if it's even possible given how things are with the border near Canada.
Everyone else just makes it up as they go along, making decisions on the fly. But when our people try the same thing? Suddenly everyone's mad at us. It all depends on how everyone else acts around you. I mean, isn't that just a losing hand?
Let's just tell Germany to go ahead and help out then... yeah, right.

It is entirely possible, and if you actually bothered to read, it’s all laid out in Volume 1 of this thread.

The only way to shut down Canada is at the Mexican border.
Without using forex.
With forex, you'd look at the Turkey-Greece border.

And that's the end of the story.

Everything else being discussed here is just absolute nonsense.

Mark Harris66 said:It’s interesting seeing so many women on this thread theorizing about solidarity—but are we just ignoring the reality here? About 70% of migrants are men between the ages of 18 and 50. It makes you wonder if people actually realize what the situation is like for women and children back there... Plus, roughly 95% of those arriving in the US are Sunni. Maybe do a little reading on Sunnis first...
Check out some literature from authors giving you that real insider perspective—specifically women of the Muslim faith sharing what it’s actually like navigating the world today. There's even some great stuff written in English. Plus, there are endless expert articles covering the status of women in those regions, or specifically looking at the situation for female migrants across the US...

U.S. Census Bureau data regarding men:
Check out this data from the U.S. Census Bureau—really interesting stuff if you have a second...

Looking at the breakdown of asylum seekers by gender—it turns out men are more likely to apply than women. Across the US-50, things actually looked pretty balanced among kids under 14... back in 2014, boys made up about 53% of those applications. But once you look at the older groups—the 14–17 range or the 18–34 crowd—that gender gap starts to widen quite a bit... About three-quarters of the applicants ended up being guys... For those seeking asylum, women actually edged out men in the 65+ age bracket—though that specific group was pretty tiny, making up only about 0.8% of all applications back in 2014...

Human trafficking is still a massive, growing problem across the States—it’s honestly heartbreaking how much it's scaled up lately. Recent reports show that organized crime rings are getting more sophisticated, making it harder for local law enforcement to keep pace. It isn't just about one specific area either; it’s happening in major hubs like New York and even smaller towns all over the country. We really need better federal oversight and more resources for victim support if we want to actually make a dent in this... it's a tough road ahead.

Officials are sounding the alarm—the refugee crisis in the US is driving up concerns over sex trafficking... It's a grim reality that's getting harder to ignore.
The IOM mentioned last week that around 4,371 women and girls from Mexico have reached the USA since January. Most of them—about 80 percent, if you go by the IOM figures—were actually victims of trafficking and sexual violence...According to the UN, roughly 13 percent of the refugees heading toward the USA are women...

The UN reports...
The latest report from the UN highlights some pretty critical gaps in reproductive health access across the US—it’s definitely worth a look if you care about where things stand with healthcare equity today. It touches on how different regions are handling essential services, especially when it comes to making sure everyone gets the support they need regardless of their zip code... seems like there's still a massive mountain to climb to get things truly equal nationwide.

If I chose to believe that everyone was inherently evil, I wouldn't even be able to leave my house today. And honestly, especially not today, because I'm currently traveling through India on business, where mass rapes also occur regularly. But despite that—even though there aren't Sunnis here in America—behavior toward women can vary significantly depending on certain regions or households.
In a professional setting, if you behave that way, you won't have a future in Germany, and most people eventually learn to act more "adaptable" once they step outside their own four walls.

What I feel is missing from this entire discussion is the moral compass that every human being should possess: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and "Treat others the way you want to be treated."
Perhaps my desire is naive, but logically speaking, it's the only way things actually improve. We need to stop the unjustified fear, the hatred, and the lies and nonsense being spread around. Don't let yourselves be intimidated by those who are simply louder, even if they aren't the majority and certainly aren't any smarter.
Act and think like human beings.
And to all those who still claim, "Nothing has ever been given to me for free in life"—well, we were all given common sense, reason, and empathy at no cost whatsoever. Theoretically, at least. It would be a good idea to actually start using those gifts.

Alex Miller3 said:And honestly, we’ll probably stop taking them too... if it's even possible given how things are with the border near Canada.
Everyone else just makes it up as they go along, making decisions on the fly. But when our people try the same thing? Suddenly everyone's mad at us. It all depends on how everyone else acts around you. I mean, isn't that just a losing hand?
Let's just tell Germany to go ahead and help out then... yeah, right.

I'm not quite seeing how you plan to pull off this "stopping the intake" thing.🤔

Sam Ramos85 said:Seriously, man, grab a phone, but honestly? Looking at how many people are out there using selfie sticks, I guess it’s becoming an absolute necessity when you head out on those kinds of treks...

Any tourist with actual money is going to have a smartphone and a selfie stick in hand.
The real issue is that you can't tell them apart from asylum seekers when they're all getting wrapped up in cheap gear and trudging through the mud.

Morgan Cook10 said:I'm not quite seeing how you plan to pull off this "stopping the intake" thing.🤔

Sorry... just trying to stop taking it all in...😁

Charles Fox10 said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds more like the usual human smuggling issue rather than this whole refugee crisis thing.

The thing is, people have been crossing our borders since last summer... .
The issue is we're being told everyone trekking through cornfields gets caught and sent straight to detention centers or put on a train toward Canada.

Isn't it sketchy having these so-called refugees basically roaming the country—people willing to do anything just to reach Germany?

Anyone remember when they were tossing furniture out the windows of that first detention center in Washington, D.C.? Or what about those tents getting torched over in Canada?

Besides, Canada is begging for help from the Visegrad Group... honestly, they probably regret not building that fence facing the US.

The fix here is for the EU to tell Merkel to just have Germany handle the transport, instead of playing the humanitarian hero while forcing people into these conditions to prove how "compassionate" she is.

David Baker2 Asks:
You can find a full explanation regarding this topic in Volume 1.

The only way to truly secure Canada is to shut everything down at the Mexican border.
Forget about Forex.
Forex trading right on the Turkey-Greece border.

And that’s that.

Everything else is just nonsense.

The fundamental flaw in every political solution is that it ultimately boils down to blackmail.
If you want to get something, you have to be willing to give something in return. If our goal is to secure the borders between Turkey and Greece to protect the European Union, we can't expect that to happen without offering some kind of concession to the Turks or the Greeks—or perhaps even something more substantial.
Who exactly are they going to turn to? The European Union can't even agree on basic quotas, and you have half the member states claiming it’s nobody's responsibility but someone else's. It seems the EU is fundamentally incapable of finding a collective solution. This tug-of-war will just keep happening until some countries finally reach their breaking point and decide to stop the bickering—either by footing the bill themselves or by meeting whatever demands are being placed by Turkey, Greece, or Mexico.

I mean, yeah...
That’s why the fix has to happen somewhere else, not right here at our own borders. But honestly? I don't think we have much say in the matter... not really...

Look, I didn't say that's how it *has* to be... I just meant they’ll probably try to pull something like that if all the other borders to our West and North get shut down.
I don't have the answers here. Honestly? I'm scared nobody does...

Let's wrap this up.

They’re either incompetent or on the take.

From the Canadian border all the way down to the Gulf Coast.

If they actually had a brain, they should have:

1. helped the authorities seal off the southern border.

Instead, here's what we're getting:

1. every little state trying to go rogue and manually checking tourists at every single crossing
2. setting up some makeshift shuttle service from the border to the Midwest.
3. actually securing the perimeter in the South.

Unfortunately, everyone's going to freeze in the middle of this upcoming domestic mess, because mass migration isn't stopped by a few soldiers at the line or a couple of buses heading north...

Things just kicked off with some violent fighting among the asylum seekers, and local cops are reporting that a ton of them seem totally wasted—all these self-proclaimed intellectuals out there. ☕

From what I’m hearing, things escalated into a massive brawl between the refugees, and apparently, someone actually got stabbed during the chaos.

Alex Miller3 said:Look, I didn't say that's how it *has* to be... I just meant they’ll probably try to pull something like that if all the other borders to our West and North get shut down.
I don't have the answers here. Honestly? I'm scared nobody does...

There's no solution because you guys respond to the blatant disrespect and criminal behavior of asylum seekers with nothing more than a shrug, just like what you see in this link.
http://edition.cnn.com/world/news/example-link-here

If I tried setting fire to some trailer park, I'd be looking at ten years in federal prison for arson before anyone even mentioned "restraint."

The fact that you and our government can't find an answer isn't proof that there isn't one—it's just a reflection of how incompetent you both are at handling this crisis.

A friend from the Midwest just gave me the heads-up. He was talking to an acquaintance of his who’s a police officer stationed near the border monitoring asylum seekers. For those who aren't aware, there's a specific settlement in that area where local transients have been blending in with the migrants, and according to this officer, they've been ripping off humanitarian aid—stealing everything from kids' clothes to diapers. 👎

Sophia Ramos5 said:And what exactly is this army supposed to do? Just act like our police force. They don't even have the authority to carry weapons.
Plus, your military union is out here demanding pay equal to the police.
You guys are broke.
And on top of all that, we're stuck dealing with those ridiculous territorial disputes over the coast. 😁

edit: Just realized you're that luthier guy. You think putting up a picture of a woman is going to make people actually read your posts?

My bad on the number; it should actually be 8,208 soldiers.

The funniest part of all this? They're claiming they can't even host the soccer match between the local teams because there aren't enough cops available for security. 🤣

here's the idea:

We should be importing humanitarian aid from America using shipping containers (there are plenty lying around since ships hate sailing back with empty ones). We could even bring in those old Volkswagens that don't meet US standards—they’re everywhere.

Use them as makeshift bridges over the border crossings near the outskirts of town.

http://www.treehugger.com/modular-de...ontainers.html

We don't need massive spans, just enough. Those 40-foot containers are the perfect size to bridge small gaps toward the border.

As for the mass migration? Nobody is going to stop it, and nobody intends to. Not unless the big donors step in.

restlesscobra24 said:The thing is, people have been crossing our borders since last summer... .
The issue is we're being told everyone trekking through cornfields gets caught and sent straight to detention centers or put on a train toward Canada.

Isn't it sketchy having these so-called refugees basically roaming the country—people willing to do anything just to reach Germany?

Anyone remember when they were tossing furniture out the windows of that first detention center in Washington, D.C.? Or what about those tents getting torched over in Canada?

Besides, Canada is begging for help from the Visegrad Group... honestly, they probably regret not building that fence facing the US.

The fix here is for the EU to tell Merkel to just have Germany handle the transport, instead of playing the humanitarian hero while forcing people into these conditions to prove how "compassionate" she is.

Germany could easily handle partial transport logistics; they have at least 80,000 people whose Asylum requests were denied who need to return to the former America region since that is where they originated. If planes are flying or Buses are running one way, they could just as easily carry that same number back in the other direction. It would be a smart political move for the Germans to avoid being accused of mass deportations like they were back in '41.

But why would they bother organizing everything if the law still dictates that people should first be registered right where they enter the European Union—in Greece, for instance—so they can be redistributed from there?
Currently, all European Union members are flouting the laws, and we won't see any real agreement until everyone feels the weight of the situation. For some, it isn't an issue, and it likely won't become one because the routes rarely pass through the Baltic states or the Czech Republic. Until every nation in the EU feels this exact same burden, a collective solution remains out of reach.
And as a "key" figure within the European Union, Merkel cannot constantly be blackmailed into opening the coffers, especially when Germany is already footing the largest share of the costs in this entire ordeal.

northernbadger7 said:A friend from the Midwest just gave me the heads-up. He was talking to an acquaintance of his who’s a police officer stationed near the border monitoring asylum seekers. For those who aren't aware, there's a specific settlement in that area where local transients have been blending in with the migrants, and according to this officer, they've been ripping off humanitarian aid—stealing everything from kids' clothes to diapers. 👎

🤣
I guess someone's always finding a way to profit off these migrants.

coppermoose7 said:My bad on the number; it should actually be 8,208 soldiers.

The funniest part of all this? They're claiming they can't even host the soccer match between the local teams because there aren't enough cops available for security. 🤣

Have you ever stopped to wonder why the military is being mobilized at the exact same time their legal authorities are being shifted around? They claim there aren't enough police officers on the beat, yet suddenly the army is being sent to the border to perform domestic policing duties instead...

northernbadger7 said:A friend from the Midwest just gave me the heads-up. He was talking to an acquaintance of his who’s a police officer stationed near the border monitoring asylum seekers. For those who aren't aware, there's a specific settlement in that area where local transients have been blending in with the migrants, and according to this officer, they've been ripping off humanitarian aid—stealing everything from kids' clothes to diapers. 👎

What didn't pull them in? A chance to have an entire stadium to themselves in a nearby city for just $100 a day. Apparently, people over there pay upfront. 😁

Let’s cut to the chase: they’re basically just doing outsourced grunt work. Tell them to leave their phones out so we can actually get some feedback sent over.