Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Harold Evans4 said:Whatever. As long as they got to cheer on those tent protesters in Washington, D.C. (who have zero to do with immigrants) and wave signs for Salopek (who also has nothing to do with immigrants), and belt out "Call Me" (which, let's be real, has absolutely nothing to do with immigrants).

Actually, every single one of those things is directly tied to the immigrant issue.

1. Among those brave souls in the tents, there are veterans who were on the front lines fighting Islamist insurgents from Canada back in 1993.
2. Salopek was a victim of those very same Islamists.
3. "Call Me" is more than just a song—it's a rallying cry. It proves there are still people in this country ready to answer the call if we ever face new or old enemies again.

Michael Roberts7 said:Personally, I find it hard to wrap my head around why some people are so terrified that they can't see these individuals as just people like us. You'll find honest, wonderful, sincere souls... just as you'll find thieves, religious fanatics, and predators in roughly the same percentages you'd find anywhere else in the world.
The most ridiculous comparisons are the ones where people claim the police are beating up thugs...
And it seems nobody realizes that while these people are Muslim, they are actually fleeing from ISIS and the Taliban—which is exactly why there is such a massive wave of military conscripts coming from both Syria and Afghanistan.

We shouldn't generalize, but we really need to send back anyone who doesn't have a legal right to stay.

Believe in Santa Claus if you want. No offense.

Houellebecq—where do you even look when you think about an Islamized Europe? :-)
I mean, honestly, this kind of reality doesn't feel all that far-fetched right now...

...'Meanwhile, over in Paris, because of the Muslim victory, they’re rolling out these new rules. You can only have Muslims lecturing at the universities. So, Houellebecq's anti-hero is stuck with a choice: convert to Islam or just retire. The Sorbonne (much like Oxford) has basically become a franchise owned by some Qatari king or someone similar. Primary school is mandatory, sure, but after that, people just handle their own education. But hey, overall, everyone seems happy. Crime has plummeted. Ever since France became a friendly nation to Muslims, the real estate market and the economy in general—well, they're booming. Even those lingerie shops are doing great, because unlike European women who just collapse into a stupor after work, these women actually want to dress up for their husbands. Even that whole business with polygamy and arranged marriages works perfectly...'

Peter Reed70 said:So I'm scrolling through some local news in St. Louis and just read that the protest against that refugee camp totally flopped—apparently only about a hundred people showed up.

Pittsburgh has lost 3,600 people in just one year, and it feels like more are leaving every single day...
The handful of poor souls actually left have basically undergone a lobotomy, especially while the mayor is busy blowing $25 million on swimming pools and $4 million on roundabouts—all funded by loans that the citizens themselves end up paying back...
And now he’s gone and dragged in this asylum center that’s supposed to take 5,000 people initially, though I bet he'll be claiming it's 10,000 tomorrow. 😁
They’re shipping in 100 residential containers and already they're begging to expand capacity...

Everyone just sits there taking it with their heads bowed because that's just how people think here, and anyone who isn't swallowing this nonsense has either already packed their bags or is about to.

Then you have those poor wretches whose job is cleaning up after $833 in what the locals are already calling "Small Syria"—some people in town are actually acting like this is a good thing, but if you ask me, it's a total disaster. Instead of attracting entrepreneurs and actual jobs, the biggest achievement these politicians can manage is turning a small city into an immigrant hub.

David Baker2 said:That is exactly what the current administration is doing, and honestly, given how things are playing out, I think they’ve done a stellar job so far minimizing the fallout.

Plus, we've already established enough contingencies regarding where we can pivot if we run into a total blockade at the border with someone like Missouri or wherever.

Like I mentioned before—send the women and children toward one state and the men without kids toward another—just move them all instantly.

There isn't even a need to try and stop anyone, because let's be real, nobody is actually looking to settle down here anyway.

Frankly, it feels redundant to keep repeating the exact same arguments I laid out way back when I started posting on Vail vol. 1.

And so far, I haven't been proven wrong once.

The real issue—the thing that makes me fear we are going to be caught completely off guard—is something I shouldn't even bring up, otherwise people will start accusing me of fearmongering again.

But I'm not. I simply prefer to think two steps ahead of everyone else.

Regarding that one country that hasn't been swept up in this current wave yet, despite facing its own share of recent troubles...

restlessangler61 said:Conflict is brewing across the West. We’re seeing a massive surge in right-wing movements. People who once found those political circles absolutely repulsive are now drifting toward them. It seems not every American is content to just sit idly by while everything falls apart, right?

Germany has once again managed to stir the pot across the continent. They’ve adopted an entirely different approach and ideology this time around, but I fear we’re just staring down the barrel of déjà vu...

Oh, how profound... So, Germany, acting on its own messy motives, invited millions of Muslims over to achieve... what, exactly?

If we take a second to actually think about this, it becomes clear that all of this is actually being turned against Germany itself. And it isn't even that they were "invited." It's more that they simply don't have the nerve to say no.

These millions of unassimilated foreigners—of every religion and background—who are already there and who will continue to arrive, represent the most certain way to permanently dismantle Germany as a distinct people and nation. By doing so, they also effectively neutralize that so-called "German threat" that so many people here seem to blindly believe in.

However, Americans shouldn't be celebrating this either. Even the US has a reputation for being "too ethnically homogeneous" in certain regions, so a similar scenario could very easily be applied here as well...

But hey, I know how it goes. Many "modern and progressive Americans" are actually rooting for this...

Look, there isn't some singular leader out there capable of mobilizing or organizing this whole thing. People have grown complacent; it’s much easier to just vent online. But if this keeps up, I suspect we'll see real shifts... economic instability, social unrest, genuine fear... at that point, nobody will be able to hold people back.

Dana Kern5 said:Oh, how profound... So, Germany, acting on its own messy motives, invited millions of Muslims over to achieve... what, exactly?

If we take a second to actually think about this, it becomes clear that all of this is actually being turned against Germany itself. And it isn't even that they were "invited." It's more that they simply don't have the nerve to say no.

These millions of unassimilated foreigners—of every religion and background—who are already there and who will continue to arrive, represent the most certain way to permanently dismantle Germany as a distinct people and nation. By doing so, they also effectively neutralize that so-called "German threat" that so many people here seem to blindly believe in.

However, Americans shouldn't be celebrating this either. Even the US has a reputation for being "too ethnically homogeneous" in certain regions, so a similar scenario could very easily be applied here as well...

But hey, I know how it goes. Many "modern and progressive Americans" are actually rooting for this...

In your opinion, how long does this go on for?

Jamie Anderson86 said:I agree completely. They should be transferred to Germany with minimal delay from the US. Let them build their own makeshift camps over there instead.

It’s the exact same issue over there. Creating ghettos isn't a solution—it just breeds fresh complications and increases the likelihood of parallel societies forming, which ultimately leads to a decline in property values and even more neglected urban neighborhoods.

How is this all going to play out? Any thoughts?

Do you guys seriously not see what politics is doing to us, or are you just choosing to look the other way?

http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...roco-reko.html

And honestly, I wonder what the rest of the EU thinks about you all...

Jessica King9 said:Regarding that one country that hasn't been swept up in this current wave yet, despite facing its own share of recent troubles...

No, I wasn't talking about Canada, assuming that's where you were aiming your question based on what you quoted from my previous remarks. That is an entirely different beast altogether—a ticking time bomb just waiting for the fuse to hit the powder.

As for who is right or wrong in all of this, frankly, call me selfish or call me hyper-focused on American interests, I don't care; I am looking strictly at what is most optimal and beneficial for my own skin, my family, and those in my immediate circle.
And quite honestly, nothing else matters to me beyond that. I have zero interest in politics or anyone else's agendas.

My point is centered solely on the United States, specifically regarding the fact that back in the 90s, we still had these cohesive, established structures—think along the lines of how federal agencies used to coordinate—where every single person knew exactly where they stood, where they needed to show up, and precisely what their role was when things went sideways.

Now, in this modern context, we are completely disorganized, and I fear that if we ever face another sudden crisis—and given the current climate, I’d say there's an 80/20 chance it will happen—we are headed straight for absolute chaos.
Because even people with the best intentions won't have a clue where they are supposed to report, what they should be doing, or how they are supposed to execute their duties.

And let's be perfectly clear: I'm not just talking about people picking up rifles. I am talking about the total, systemic functioning of the state during emergency situations.

I mean everything from baking bread to distributing it to those in need.

If we hit an emergency scenario where, for instance, all our borders are suddenly slammed shut while we are heavily reliant on imports... how many days of food reserves do we actually have before citizens can no longer feed themselves?

It’s an extreme hypothetical, sure, but... well... does anyone actually sit down and think about this, or develop any "what if" contingency plans for when such a thing occurs?

From where I’m sitting, I don't see any evidence that they exist. 🤷

coppermoose7 said:Do you guys seriously not see what politics is doing to us, or are you just choosing to look the other way?

http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...roco-reko.html

And honestly, I wonder what the rest of the EU thinks about you all...

As for what the EU members think of us, frankly, who cares... based on everything I follow, the uglier their perception of us becomes, the better we are performing for our own interests...

If everyone were suddenly singing our praises, I’d be genuinely concerned. If we are working solely for their benefit, then we are effectively working against ourselves...

Furthermore, if the EU actually cared about anything—if there were even five intelligent leaders left in the bunch—there would have been rapid response forces deployed to Mexico long ago, if not Greece already. And they'd be operating alongside American, Canadian, and Canadian soldiers...

coppermoose7 said:Do you guys seriously not see what politics is doing to us, or are you just choosing to look the other way?

http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...roco-reko.html

And honestly, I wonder what the rest of the EU thinks about you all...

Ever wonder what they actually think about us? Just curious... like, what's the real consensus out there?
So, I was wandering around those whole EU Commission and Parliament nonsense-filled buildings earlier... just soaking in all that bureaucracy.

Same here. Honestly, I’m right there with you on this one.
Man, if we were just some regular, everyday Americans...
Total washout... just a complete disaster.
Who cares, really... at this point, politics is clearly just every man for himself.

Lisa Patel4 said:In your opinion, how long does this go on for?

Honestly, do I really need to explain this to YOU? If anyone on this board has a clear view of the big picture and a sharp intuition for where things are headed, it’s definitely you!

If you're referring to this massive wave of migration, then it’ll keep happening until the nations in Europe (especially our own border states) finally remember the only effective way to actually secure their borders.

I don't even need to spell out those methods for someone like you. If I tried explaining them to the rest of the crowd, I can already imagine the backlash I'd get...

But at this stage, it almost feels like it won't matter for Europe whether more people arrive or not. The sheer number of people already settled in places like France, the UK, Spain, Sweden, or Germany is more than enough to destabilize everything.
Just look at how many millions of people from non-European and non-Christian backgrounds we already have living between the Rockies and the Atlantic.

Where are we supposed to put them all?🤷

Dana Kern5 said:Honestly, do I really need to explain this to YOU? If anyone on this board has a clear view of the big picture and a sharp intuition for where things are headed, it’s definitely you!

If you're referring to this massive wave of migration, then it’ll keep happening until the nations in Europe (especially our own border states) finally remember the only effective way to actually secure their borders.

I don't even need to spell out those methods for someone like you. If I tried explaining them to the rest of the crowd, I can already imagine the backlash I'd get...

But at this stage, it almost feels like it won't matter for Europe whether more people arrive or not. The sheer number of people already settled in places like France, the UK, Spain, Sweden, or Germany is more than enough to destabilize everything.
Just look at how many millions of people from non-European and non-Christian backgrounds we already have living between the Rockies and the Atlantic.

Where are we supposed to put them all?🤷

Thanks. I’m interested to see what everyone else here thinks about this.

Southern Europe has the worse geography, I guess. There are over 300 million Muslims in the Mediterranean Basin within reach of Europe.

There’s a solution here. We need a naval blockade of Africa and to isolate Turkey completely. Maybe we should just militarize the borders between Greece and Turkey too.

Dana Kern5 said:Oh, how profound... So, Germany, acting on its own messy motives, invited millions of Muslims over to achieve... what, exactly?

If we take a second to actually think about this, it becomes clear that all of this is actually being turned against Germany itself. And it isn't even that they were "invited." It's more that they simply don't have the nerve to say no.

These millions of unassimilated foreigners—of every religion and background—who are already there and who will continue to arrive, represent the most certain way to permanently dismantle Germany as a distinct people and nation. By doing so, they also effectively neutralize that so-called "German threat" that so many people here seem to blindly believe in.

However, Americans shouldn't be celebrating this either. Even the US has a reputation for being "too ethnically homogeneous" in certain regions, so a similar scenario could very easily be applied here as well...

But hey, I know how it goes. Many "modern and progressive Americans" are actually rooting for this...

That bolded section is absolutely vital to grasping the current state of affairs, and I feel compelled to reiterate it. I would say it a hundred times over if necessary.

Lisa Patel4 said:Thanks. I’m interested to see what everyone else here thinks about this.

Southern Europe has the worse geography, I guess. There are over 300 million Muslims in the Mediterranean Basin within reach of Europe.

There’s a solution here. We need a naval blockade of Africa and to isolate Turkey completely. Maybe we should just militarize the borders between Greece and Turkey too.

that sounds like a total WW3 scenario 😁
well, let's just hope it doesn't actually come to that

Patrick Castillo4 said:that sounds like a total WW3 scenario 😁
well, let's just hope it doesn't actually come to that

It’ll happen eventually; I mean, we’ve all seen those demographic projections for Africa.

Honestly, our only real shot is exactly what Revenger20 was talking about.

granitetiger9 said:As for what the EU members think of us, frankly, who cares... based on everything I follow, the uglier their perception of us becomes, the better we are performing for our own interests...

If everyone were suddenly singing our praises, I’d be genuinely concerned. If we are working solely for their benefit, then we are effectively working against ourselves...

Furthermore, if the EU actually cared about anything—if there were even five intelligent leaders left in the bunch—there would have been rapid response forces deployed to Mexico long ago, if not Greece already. And they'd be operating alongside American, Canadian, and Canadian soldiers...

Here's yet another perfect example of why they never should have let us into the EU in the first place! I keep hoping this serves as a hundredth reminder that we'll probably never make it into Schengen.