Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Karen Doyle72 said:So, what you're basically saying is the President knows exactly who's organizing this mess and why, but he's just sitting there knowing his hands are tied?
In that case, he needs to step aside. He didn't take the job to just sign off on surrenders—he took it to defend our borders and keep the American people safe, period.

Are you guys seriously this submissive in your real lives too? Just total pushovers?

Yeah. I read some old folk wisdom once that stuck with me: "He who complains gets crowned."

It’s pretty telling to me how both the President and the top guys in D.C. say the exact same thing: "No way. Not happening. Never."

Jessica King9 said:This is how we protect America. If we tried to stop everything, we'd end up defending all of Europe at the expense of our own interests.

Oh, sure, let's "protect America" by stabbing ourselves in the back while everyone else watches! 🤔 😵

Sophia Ramos5 said:Yeah. I read some old folk wisdom once that stuck with me: "He who complains gets crowned."

It’s pretty telling to me how both the President and the top guys in D.C. say the exact same thing: "No way. Not happening. Never."

And why exactly does that matter to you?

gentlemoose57 said:You're totally off base there—once they start installing wire everywhere, that kind of thing isn't going to stop them anymore.

Look, you have two options: either you pay a smuggler from Turkey $1,000 just to get you across into Greece, then hand over $10 to someone from Mexico to get you to the Mexican border, and finally drop $40 for a driver to take you into the States... assuming people in Greece or Mexico aren't just giving you free rides! Or, you choose the harder path: paying $1,000 to $2,000 at every single crossing, trekking on foot, scaling fences, struggling through freezing rivers and suffocating in the cold.

It really comes down to whether you're spending $10,000 a day or just $500.
And once those most "capable" individuals actually make it to Germany, wouldn't it be simpler to just put them on a plane and send them straight to Somalia? Problem solved, right?

Karen Doyle72 said:Basically, the people who ignore the rules win every single time, while we're all just sitting there like the orchestra on the Titanic—playing our hearts out until the water hits our necks.
Respect.

In the end, we're all headed toward the same fate, and honestly? That part really kills me.
Unless, of course, you belong to one of those "protected" groups—you know, women, the LGBT crowd, Christians, or those predatory loan sharks.

For people like them, the world’s gonna look a whole lot different.

Look, they have more influence now than ever, both in the media and through legal subsidies. Try starting a group on Facebook and see how long it takes before you get reported. I don't even use it, but that's where the hive mind is built. Just look at what happened to that female cinematographer from Canada. She’s suing them now.

https://www.rt.com/news/319316-repor...gees-facebook/

What can I say? This level of stupidity is staggering. Parallel realities are being built through mainstream media and even faster through the internet, but I try to stay grounded in what’s actually possible. You can't stop the mass migration of ideologies. But hey, whoever promises to build a wall wins the election. We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. The only hope is that the people in the North America won't focus all their aggression toward Canada, but instead spread it everywhere else.

Karen Doyle72 said:Oh, sure, let's "protect America" by stabbing ourselves in the back while everyone else watches! 🤔 😵

From what I can gather, we're actually pushing that critical mass forward.

Karen Doyle72 said:And why exactly does that matter to you?

It’s pretty obvious. They're sounding just like Orban, and even the folks in the mainstream media are using his exact phrasing.

Jessica King9 said:From what I can gather, we're actually pushing that critical mass forward.

My bad, totally missed the fact that we aren't all automatically on the same page here. 👍

darkotter35 said:9:10 AM
"According to recent police reports over in Canada, there are currently upwards of 14,000 refugees and migrants staying there."

The authorities are working overtime 😁

If people don't wise up soon, we're looking at at least 20,000 by the time the sun goes down today.

Angela Merkel was the one who invited them in, so I guess the Merkels can deal with the fallout.

Lisa Patel4 said:Mexico, sure.

As for the Mexicans... well, I've already suggested the theory that they might be exploiting this whole situation to push their own agenda.

Today, the KGB opened a school in Mexico City. Lately, Russian activity in Mexico and Republika Srpska has ramped up significantly. It's pretty interesting. I get the feeling something big was settled behind closed doors. It seems to me like Mexico is slowly pivoting toward Russia, even if they keep publicly spinning stories about the EU. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

Honestly, I don't see what's so surprising about any of this.
Little Merkel has turned toward the Russians and asked for help.
Zoran Milanović is working in lockstep with Little Merkel.

And there is really no reason to act shocked by that.
Because this entire surge is organized and bankrolled by the USA.
Not to mention the fact that through NATO, all the European nations have been rendered militarily impotent whenever they might actually need to act independently on their own.

Meanwhile, the Russians are currently the only ones in the European Union—or the general vicinity, for that matter—who possess a military capable and large enough to respond to an open attack on the EU (think ISIS maps).

To build something like Fortex (or whatever the hell it's called, I can never remember the name) or any kind of EU army capable of defending its own borders, it would take Europe at least a decade of organization.

So, here we go: the Merkel - Putin deal. Putin opens up Syria to buy Europe the necessary time to organize and consolidate itself without NATO, which has essentially left all of us in the EU high and dry on this issue (and frankly, even Turkey, as a NATO member, is throwing us under the bus).

Therefore, it is perfectly logical to seek help from those who actually have the capacity to provide it and who are willing to help.

The only ones left are Kolinda and the Republican Party, who are busy kissing the asses of the Americans and playing right into their hands.
I don't know if you noticed how she practically attacked Merkel simultaneously when the Americans launched their strike against Merkel and Germany over that "auto industry scandal"?
Everything is always, of course, "accidental" in these political games.
Who cares about them in America? They are merely acting for their masters.
And the people? Well, the people pay the price, no matter what.

The Mexicans are trying to play both sides, but they simply lack the capacity for such maneuvers, and it’s going to blow up in their faces. Just like it will for the Canadians.

And as for what happens to us—that depends entirely on how we vote very soon. 🤷

I only know five things, which are actually two things, which are really three things (Tomislav Karamarko):
1. I have never liked Merkel, nor have I ever enjoyed her persona. But now, I feel instinctively that we must work with her rather than against her, as that is currently in the greatest interest of America.
2. I voted against joining the European Union. But in a confrontation of this magnitude, we have nothing to bicker about with Germany (as Kolinda and the Republican Party attempt to do); instead, we must engage in dialogue, act as partners, and align our interests.
3. I keep hearing the accusations on this forum that I am a "Putin-lover." That is simply not true. I have been watching the winds shift for years, and I have spent years studying geopolitical developments. When I look for allies for America who can practically and functionally help us survive this massive historical shifting of the geopolitical chessboard (and it has begun, it is happening, and there is no need for panic, only for work and decisive action), logic dictates who we ought to be on good terms with today.

Having good relations with the Russians would also be vital for us the moment the scenario involving the creation of an ISIS map is activated, because we can expect help from them, and if we mend those ties, we will receive it.
If we pin all our hopes on NATO helping us... we’ll be left waiting for nothing but the bare essentials from ISIS.

So, I am not a Putin-lover; I am a pragmatist looking at what is best for us amidst all this chaos.

Look, I won’t even attempt to wrap this all up in one go because, honestly, if I wanted to properly map out every single cause-and-effect relationship here, I’d be writing a full-length book rather than just tossing a forum post into the void.
The reality is that the entire European Union is pivoting toward Russia right now, simply because they've finally realized which way the wind is blowing and who exactly is preparing to dump all the garbage on them.

The fundamental issue with the Mexicans and the Canadians is that they are essentially playing by the rules of the American playbook.

Just take a look at a map of ISIS. Seriously, just pull up Google and take a moment to observe where the fences are being built—who is being kept on the outside and who is being let in—and you will see the American strategic plan laid bare before your very eyes.
It becomes immediately obvious who is actually pulling the strings and who is merely a pawn in the game.

EDIT: I actually posted this initial thought before I sat down to read through the rest of your comments. Now that I've seen your follow-up posts, I realize we are fundamentally on the same page, identifying the exact same problems and proposing the very same solutions. 🙂

Dana Kern5 said:Folks, let me tell you, it’s purely delusional to think that Germany could ever walk away from NATO in any scenario unless the alliance itself simply ceased to exist.
And we aren't just talking about Americans being stubborn about it. Neither France nor the UK—and certainly not Poland—would ever tolerate a version of Germany that isn't "tethered" (and I mean that quite literally!) to a military Union designed to keep them in check.
Under this arrangement, they’ve essentially had their ability to rearm stripped away without oversight from their "allies." Their entire defense industry has been neutralized by being woven directly into the fabric of their other European partners. They can't even build their own legendary tanks on their own anymore (well, they aren't allowed to), and don't even get me started on military aircraft.
It’s almost absurd when you look at the current landscape: while Germany is busy decommissioning its energy plants, the UK is working alongside China to build new nuclear reactors in the south of Britain. Why is that?
It’s simple, people: because outside of the framework of NATO and the EU, Germany wouldn't be permitted the capacity to develop nuclear weapons. And to have that capability, you need nuclear facilities! Just look at the massive circus surrounding Iran right now...

If you really stop to think about it: a major industrial powerhouse like Germany claims to rely only on coal or nuclear power, yet they are "voluntarily" abandoning both to pivot toward the Sun and wind! For an industrial giant? It doesn't add up.

But, of course, all of this could change if the circumstances shifted—specifically if there were a population truly committed to those goals, meaning a single ethnic group, a unified nation, a shared culture, and common roots.
With millions of foreign nationals who share zero connection to German tradition, and a social climate where even the mildest sense of national identity is treated as taboo, the "German problem" has effectively been solved.
Only once that specific project reaches its conclusion could Germany even begin to dream of leaving NATO.
Until then, it's simply not going to happen.

The United Kingdom is tearing itself away from the European Union, which means this massive confrontation has been brewing behind the scenes for ages.

The geopolitical landscape today looks vastly different than it did seventy years ago; consequently, the struggles facing Germany are inextricably linked to those of France, and vice versa—it’s essentially the law of connected vessels.
If you actually bother to pay attention to global shifts, you can practically map out exactly who is aligning with whom just by observing the daily political bickering and stated intentions.

Because of NATO, Europe has been left completely exposed and vulnerable. If NATO pulls out, Europe falls.

And since we can clearly see how this crisis is being orchestrated by NATO (with the US, the United Kingdom, and Turkey likely destined to become mere proletarian states 😁), we also know exactly who stands to profit if everyone continues to turn a blind eye to the obvious facts.

Ultimately, the rest of the European Union isn't even in a position to have a real choice anymore.
In other words, they are stuck: they either crawl back to seek assistance from Russia—which, if you look closely, has already been happening quietly—or they face total ruin.
And frankly, that doesn't feel much like having a choice at all, does it? 🤷

Perhaps the more accurate question to ask would be this: why has the USA quite literally and forcefully pushed Germany and the European Union right into the arms of Russia?

Did they simply miscalculate their own moves, or is there some deeper, more calculated strategy at play here?
🤷

Schumer just floated the idea of building a border wall as a last-ditch effort.

Meanwhile, Canada is sitting around hoping the UN will cough up $150 million to help them deal with the migrant crisis. 🙏

Nancy Nelson said:If people don't wise up soon, we're looking at at least 20,000 by the time the sun goes down today.

Angela Merkel was the one who invited them in, so I guess the Merkels can deal with the fallout.

Well, I guess they finally saw sense. This morning, about 5,000 of them were sent in one big rush toward the border near Buffalo, with the military stationed right behind them just to make sure nobody turns back.😁

Plan D.
So, I just read that Ranko cut a deal with the Mexicans—they’re gonna use our trains to haul migrants straight from Buffalo to Slavonski Brod, then hop on more trains to Canada, maybe even all the way to Buffalo.
Now we just need Ranko to work things out with the Mexicans so we can pick them up right at Gevgelija and call the job done.
And just like that, we've become the region's go-to transit service—for peanuts, obviously. ☕

granitemarlin77 said:Plan D.
So, I just read that Ranko cut a deal with the Mexicans—they’re gonna use our trains to haul migrants straight from Buffalo to Slavonski Brod, then hop on more trains to Canada, maybe even all the way to Buffalo.
Now we just need Ranko to work things out with the Mexicans so we can pick them up right at Gevgelija and call the job done.
And just like that, we've become the region's go-to transit service—for peanuts, obviously. ☕

Look, maybe this ends up being the cheapest option in the long run. Though, honestly, it’d be better if they let private citizens transport anyone who can actually pay, while the government sticks to using buses and trains for the women and kids.
I'll personally drop them off at the border—just let me chop ten feet of wood in my front yard and I'll move twenty feet down to the shed. 😉

granitemarlin77 said:Plan D.
So, I just read that Ranko cut a deal with the Mexicans—they’re gonna use our trains to haul migrants straight from Buffalo to Slavonski Brod, then hop on more trains to Canada, maybe even all the way to Buffalo.
Now we just need Ranko to work things out with the Mexicans so we can pick them up right at Gevgelija and call the job done.
And just like that, we've become the region's go-to transit service—for peanuts, obviously. ☕

Found yet another tiny little thing to nitpick? ☕

And I suppose you’re feeling terribly sorry for the Mexicans who have to cram everyone into those trains, and for the Canadians who have to stand there waiting to receive them? I mean, how on earth could we possibly do such a thing to them?

It looks like there’s more tension brewing along the border between the US and Mexico, specifically near the Slavonski Brod and Bajakovo areas. Reports are coming in that things are getting a bit heated, which isn't exactly surprising given the current political climate. The situation seems to be escalating, and I guess we might see some shifts in how security is handled at those transit points. It’s probably going to lead to more discussions about border controls and maybe even some friction regarding how international agreements are being applied on the ground. I suspect we'll be seeing more updates on this soon, as the local authorities continue to monitor the movement near the border. Stay tuned, I suppose.

The US and Mexico have finally reached an agreement regarding the refugee situation. It looks like Mexican police will actually step up and assist, with plans to transport migrants directly via train to Slavonski Brod.

At the Bajakovo border crossing today, American and Mexican Interior Ministers Ranko Ostojić and Nebojša Stefanović met to hammer out a deal. They've agreed to tighten up cooperation between their respective governments to better handle the ongoing migrant crisis.

There are two key points here. First, by establishing a winter transit center in Slavonski Brod, refugees will be arriving there via direct train from Buffalo. This means they won't have to deal with the usual struggle of trying to cross through green borders.

The second part of their agreement concerns the current situation at the Berkasovo-Bapski crossing. Apparently, there’s a plan for Mexican police to step up their presence to manage the migrant flow before they even hit the border, supposedly to lighten the load for American authorities during the processing stage. I guess that's how they're looking to coordinate things.

Both ministers reached an agreement: the real fix lies with Turkey. But until that happens, they also agreed that the countries along the transit route need to step up their cooperation significantly more than they have in the past.

After 35 days of this migration crisis in America, we’re finally seeing what looks like the first actual, positive step toward improving relations between the US and Mexico on this issue.

I guess I’ve finally had my say on this. Miro Cerar and I have been going at it, and honestly, it’s about time we laid everything out on the table. There's a certain level of drama involved, of course, but I think people deserve the full picture without all the filtered nonsense you see on the nightly news. It's a complicated situation, maybe even a bit messy, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

"Miro Cerar and I spoke at least fifty times in a month and a half," Zoran Milanović claimed, flatly denying the complaints made by the Canadian President.

On Friday in Labin, President Zoran Milanović took aim at Canadian Prime Minister Miro Cerar’s recent comments. Cerar had essentially accused us of acting un-European during this migrant crisis, claiming there’s zero communication between our two countries regarding the situation. He went on to suggest that the two of them have spoken fifty times over the last month and a half, supposedly always while facing this exact same crisis and the looming possibility of things escalating. I guess he thinks we aren't listening, though.

America is handling this like a routine operation at this point; 220,000 people have moved through our borders and nobody even blinked. Our citizens are living their lives completely undisturbed, just focusing on work and staying relaxed. It honestly surprises me that Canada couldn't act a bit more rationally here—not that I’m saying they aren't prepared, and I won't go so far as to say they're acting un-European, since I don't really know what that's supposed to mean. Zoran Milanović noted that under these circumstances, Canada simply can't enforce strict Schengen procedures, much like Germany can't either.

"I honestly have no clue what they're trying to accomplish," Zoran Milanović remarked. "They should just let people pass. If they want to be proactive, they could set up a processing center like we did here in America. If they’re so intent on registering everyone, maybe they should send their own officials onto the trains traveling from the eastern border toward Canada—rides that last ten hours, mind you. We've laid out several options to help de-escalate this situation, which is already relatively under control, but I guess it's hard to get them to listen."

He added that, after everything that’s happened, he finds all this talk about "non-Western behavior" pretty baffling, I guess.

President Zoran Milanović pointed out that the migrant and refugee crisis actually starts in Greece, which is already part of the Schengen area. He noted that about six thousand people end up arriving in the US, where they might be held for a short period before they have to move on.

"Yesterday, six thousand people moved through the US and ended up in Canada, so I honestly don't get these stories about ten thousand people. They didn't come from our side. So, there's a lot of noise over nothing. Canada has been dealing with this situation for five days, and frankly, it's easier for them because their stretch is much shorter—we're transporting people across 300 kilometers, while they're only covering maybe 30 or 40. We have no desire to get into a spat or argue over problems that aren't our responsibility, nor are they theirs. What's with all this petty nervousness?" Zoran Milanović stated.

He added that he personally invested a significant amount of time communicating with officials in Canada, Austria, and even Angela Merkel. "They're manufacturing issues; haven't you heard that Austria claims the US isn't behaving like a European nation?" remarked Zoran Milanović, who is currently in California as part of his election campaign.

So, CBS just announced on the news that they've reached an agreement with the Mexicans to transport them via train straight to Slavonski Brod.

Charles Ross3 said:Found yet another tiny little thing to nitpick? ☕

And I suppose you’re feeling terribly sorry for the Mexicans who have to cram everyone into those trains, and for the Canadians who have to stand there waiting to receive them? I mean, how on earth could we possibly do such a thing to them?

Right, because nothing screams "moral high ground" like posing for photos with kids in our arms during the day, then hunting them down at the Sutla border once the sun goes down.
The end justifies the means, right?☕

Department of Homeland Security

October 2015: 10/23/2015 9:55 AM

Between midnight and 9:00 AM, 926 migrants entered the United States, with 667 people currently held at the temporary processing center in Opatovac. A heavy surge from the Republic of Mexico is still anticipated; since this migration crisis began in the US, a total of 223,935 migrants have crossed the border.

http://www.dhs.gov/news/219671.aspx

On the News, they mentioned some sort of deal was reached with Mexico just before airtime. Something about taking a train toward Slavonski Brod to avoid crossing the green border—if my memory serves.