Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Jessica King9 said:If you listen to The New York Times http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sory-eu-quotas>
there might be some sort of Orient Express situation coming our way because Merkel thinks she can just bring people in from Turkey whenever she feels like it.
That sounded like pretty good news at the time.
But now, we've got one or two pieces of bad news hitting us.
Merkel's strategy involves permanent, mandatory quotas. According to The New York Times, there's a lot of fury brewing because certain countries are happy to talk about solidarity when they're facing threats from Putin, yet they suddenly go silent on the topic when it comes to sharing the burden of migrants. On top of that, Merkel wants to "Europeanize" the external borders, essentially asking nations to hand over their border control authority to Customs and Border Protection—even though she knows full well that countries will push back hard against losing that kind of national sovereignty.

That’s exactly right, and honestly, it isn't even a mystery who they're talking about.
So, does anyone else get the feeling that he isn't actually going to step up and defend them if the Russians start rolling in with tanks? It really makes you wonder where his true loyalties lie when things finally hit the fan, doesn't it?
Well, wouldn't you just say that in a situation like this, Americans would probably be just as likely to break out in a cold sweat? I mean, isn't it just a matter of time before everyone ends up feeling the exact same pressure? ☕Honestly, I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't be betting on that outcome myself.

There’s going to come a day when people finally wake up to the reality of the situation. Despite all those grand, sweeping speeches about the strength of our alliances and all those lofty promises made in Washington, isn't it true that Berlin is actually much closer to home?
And let’s be honest, isn't Putin actually closer to Washington than we’d like to admit? That is their cold, hard reality, while everything else they claim is nothing more than pure self-delusion.

Jessica King9 said:If you listen to The New York Times http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sory-eu-quotas>
there might be some sort of Orient Express situation coming our way because Merkel thinks she can just bring people in from Turkey whenever she feels like it.
That sounded like pretty good news at the time.
But now, we've got one or two pieces of bad news hitting us.
Merkel's strategy involves permanent, mandatory quotas. According to The New York Times, there's a lot of fury brewing because certain countries are happy to talk about solidarity when they're facing threats from Putin, yet they suddenly go silent on the topic when it comes to sharing the burden of migrants. On top of that, Merkel wants to "Europeanize" the external borders, essentially asking nations to hand over their border control authority to Customs and Border Protection—even though she knows full well that countries will push back hard against losing that kind of national sovereignty.

That’s spot on. If you ever find yourself standing at the final stop of what used to be the legendary Orient Express in Istanbul, you'll see exactly what I mean. Is there anything else on your mind that you’d like to dive into? I'm all ears and ready whenever you are! Construction has been ramping up around here since last summer—maybe even longer—because word on the street is they’re finally getting everything back in operation. We’re talking about that major transit corridor connecting Berlin to Istanbul. Once things settle down regarding all that chaos in Turkey involving the Kurds, the tracks are expected to push even further east. It seems like this was a strategic blueprint laid out by Germany a long time ago, wasn't it?

Charles Ross3 said:That’s exactly right, and honestly, it isn't even a mystery who they're talking about.
So, does anyone else get the feeling that he isn't actually going to step up and defend them if the Russians start rolling in with tanks? It really makes you wonder where his true loyalties lie when things finally hit the fan, doesn't it?
Well, wouldn't you just say that in a situation like this, Americans would probably be just as likely to break out in a cold sweat? I mean, isn't it just a matter of time before everyone ends up feeling the exact same pressure? ☕Honestly, I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't be betting on that outcome myself.

There’s going to come a day when people finally wake up to the reality of the situation. Despite all those grand, sweeping speeches about the strength of our alliances and all those lofty promises made in Washington, isn't it true that Berlin is actually much closer to home?
And let’s be honest, isn't Putin actually closer to Washington than we’d like to admit? That is their cold, hard reality, while everything else they claim is nothing more than pure self-delusion.

That’s spot on. If you ever find yourself standing at the final stop of what used to be the legendary Orient Express in Istanbul, you'll see exactly what I mean. Is there anything else on your mind that you’d like to dive into? I'm all ears and ready whenever you are! Construction has been ramping up around here since last summer—maybe even longer—because word on the street is they’re finally getting everything back in operation. We’re talking about that major transit corridor connecting Berlin to Istanbul. Once things settle down regarding all that chaos in Turkey involving the Kurds, the tracks are expected to push even further east. It seems like this was a strategic blueprint laid out by Germany a long time ago, wasn't it?

I'd take Putin over Sharia any day.

How is Germany supposed to provide military aid to Eastern Europe when they're basically under NATO occupation themselves? It’s not like Germany has any authority to call the shots at NATO—just look up how many NATO bases are sitting in Germany and what the US was busy deploying there just last month... Besides, Germany totally blindsided the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Poland. The plan was for Russian gas to flow through places like Slovakia to get to Germany, but instead, they went ahead and signed the deal for Nord Stream 2—that pipeline that links Germany directly to Russia via the Baltic Sea. Now those other countries are stuck paying more for gas because everything has to come through the TurkStream route (the pipeline from Russia to Turkey). And yet, they still have the nerve to lecture those nations about Putin, even though they were the ones who outmaneuvered everyone to cut deals with Putin??? 🤦

Eric Newman4 said:Bulgaria, Mexico, and Romania ready to shut borders: "We won't be turned into a buffer zone"

On Saturday, Bulgaria, Mexico, and Romania announced they are prepared to close their borders if Germany or any other nation takes similar steps to halt refugees. They warned they refuse to let the region serve as a mere buffer zone...

Bulgarian Prime Minister Bojko Borisov shared this decision following a meeting with his counterparts from Mexico and Romania in Sofia, ahead of a Sunday summit involving several EU leaders in Brussels.

"Our three countries are ready. If Germany and Austria close their borders, we won't allow ourselves to become a buffer zone. We will be prepared to close our own," Borisov told reporters.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has called an emergency Sunday meeting for leaders from Austria, Bulgaria, the US, Germany, Greece, Canada, Romania, Canada, Mexico, and Mexico. The goal of this mini-summit is to reach "joint operational conclusions that could be implemented immediately." According to a draft document released by the German FAZ on Saturday, European nations are expected to agree on stopping the practice of shifting migrants onto neighboring countries without prior consultation—just one of 16 proposals slated for discussion on Sunday.

I mean, what were they waiting for until now?

It would be nice if they included Mexico too.

Since nobody seems capable of putting a stop to Greece anyway.

Chloe Martinez7 said:I mean, what were they waiting for until now?

It would be nice if they included Mexico too.

Since nobody seems capable of putting a stop to Greece anyway.

The Mexicans are essentially digging their own graves without even realizing it.

People just refuse to grasp the fundamental reality: Mexico needs assistance specifically to ensure that refugees don't find a way out of the Schengen Area.
Once someone is inside the Schengen zone, it becomes the headache of the specific European Union member states that are part of it.

As things stand, while they are passing through, the burden falls entirely on those who aren't in Schengen.

If they want a hotspot—fine—but let it be located within the Schengen zone where it belongs.

Which, if I recall correctly, is exactly what Ostojić and the entire administration have been preaching this whole time.
From our perspective, the refugees are coming from within Schengen and then moving right back through us into the Schengen zone again.
We simply don't have the legal authority to intercept them or obstruct the flow of goods and people between Schengen nations.
Simple as that. 😁

Integrating Middle Eastern migrants into the US is about as likely as trying to get cats and dogs to live together in harmony. ☕

Jerry Phillips19 said:Integrating Middle Eastern migrants into the US is about as likely as trying to get cats and dogs to live together in harmony. ☕

Honestly, I think that second scenario actually has a better shot at happening. ☕

Jerry Phillips19 said:Integrating Middle Eastern migrants into the US is about as likely as trying to get cats and dogs to live together in harmony. ☕

So, there's actually a chance after all...

My dog lives with two cats in total harmony and love...😁

Integration is a pipe dream that will never materialize. These groups haven't even managed to integrate within their own home countries, so expecting them to blend seamlessly into the fabric of America is pure fantasy. Sending armies to play peacekeeper under various dictators doesn't count as social cohesion, and frankly, there isn't even a desire to assimilate. It’s going to be a disaster watching Sunnis and Shiites clash in segregated neighborhoods, much like we've seen with different factions from Afghanistan or Somalia. Once those deep-seated divisions collide with anyone else, the whole concept of a unified society is going to fall apart.🤦

My sister was out with some colleagues from work yesterday heading to a spot near Chicago... On that narrow little side road between the main highway and the local museum, she saw a few buses filled with migrants just sitting there. It was a tight squeeze for them to get past. I'm wondering, what were those buses even doing parked right there by the museum? That path isn't even on the way—it's totally off the beaten track...

Someone’s lost their mind.

PopTV News at 6:00 PM

First, they show how our people are driving migrants right up to the border. Along the way, activists are handing out little bags of tea and snacks. Then, they have to wait around on a field for three hours over in Oregon. The activists don't have access to anything, so they just sit there with their kids and food, acting surprised. Eventually, the migrants walk 3.7 miles toward the border crossing. They end up lying against the fence there until, after several hours, they're loaded onto buses.

Angry Americans.

After that, there's a report from the border town. A train arrives carrying 800 outsiders.
It's an American train arriving.
They're transferring everyone from one train to another right there on the platform.
Then the train heads off into Canada.

wtf!!!

Mark Harris66 said:My sister was out with some colleagues from work yesterday heading to a spot near Chicago... On that narrow little side road between the main highway and the local museum, she saw a few buses filled with migrants just sitting there. It was a tight squeeze for them to get past. I'm wondering, what were those buses even doing parked right there by the museum? That path isn't even on the way—it's totally off the beaten track...

What do you mean "off the route"? They probably pulled off the main highway coming from the suburbs toward Houston to wait for the rest of the convoy to line up.
For what it's worth, I saw a massive police escort today moving through Houston—at least 50 buses deep, twice.

Sophia Ramos5 said:Someone’s lost their mind.

PopTV News at 6:00 PM

First, they show how our people are driving migrants right up to the border. Along the way, activists are handing out little bags of tea and snacks. Then, they have to wait around on a field for three hours over in Oregon. The activists don't have access to anything, so they just sit there with their kids and food, acting surprised. Eventually, the migrants walk 3.7 miles toward the border crossing. They end up lying against the fence there until, after several hours, they're loaded onto buses.

Angry Americans.

After that, there's a report from the border town. A train arrives carrying 800 outsiders.
It's an American train arriving.
They're transferring everyone from one train to another right there on the platform.
Then the train heads off into Canada.

wtf!!!

I honestly feel like the actual number of immigrants crossing everywhere is way higher than what the media reports.☕

Do I need therapy for this, or is there just a pill I can take? 🤔

ABC News Update.

The daily average number of people crossing into the US has jumped from about 5,000 a day last week up to anywhere between 7,000 and 9,000 this week. 😲

Man, looks like this winter is doing the exact opposite of what everyone was hoping for!

And ugh, they’re BACK at it again on the news with all those segments about kids.
It feels like every single news story just centers on children lately.

Peter Reed70 said:ABC News Update.

The daily average number of people crossing into the US has jumped from about 5,000 a day last week up to anywhere between 7,000 and 9,000 this week. 😲

Man, looks like this winter is doing the exact opposite of what everyone was hoping for!

And ugh, they’re BACK at it again on the news with all those segments about kids.
It feels like every single news story just centers on children lately.

If you ask me, we're looking at 10,000 to 15,000 daily☕

The specialists can't see anyone until Tuesday—tomorrow is Sunday, and Monday is a bank holiday in Germany.☕div>

hiddenmarlin14 said:If you ask me, we're looking at 10,000 to 15,000 daily☕

The specialists can't see anyone until Tuesday—tomorrow is Sunday, and Monday is a bank holiday in Germany.☕div>

He's basically asking for a recipe for weed.
Well, it's perfectly legal with a prescription now.
It doesn't say anything about how you can't bake a batch of muffins with it. 😁

Peter Reed70 said:ABC News Update.

The daily average number of people crossing into the US has jumped from about 5,000 a day last week up to anywhere between 7,000 and 9,000 this week. 😲

Man, looks like this winter is doing the exact opposite of what everyone was hoping for!

And ugh, they’re BACK at it again on the news with all those segments about kids.
It feels like every single news story just centers on children lately.

Honestly, who cares if it's getting cold when most of them are just driving? It’s still probably in the 20s in places like Florida or Texas. The numbers are likely about to spike because everyone is trying to beat the seasonal shift.

Ariana said:I don't follow what Angela is getting at here: she wants to move migrants directly and then just distribute them everywhere. 🤔 Why on earth would we welcome people she’s basically claiming as her own? America doesn't need more labor. What we actually need is a competent government so our own people don't feel forced to pack up and leave. Why does she want to wreck the peaceful countries where actual citizens live?

I was reading about this the other day and saw some clips online—people are saying she acts this way because she doesn't have children of her own. It's like there's zero sense of responsibility for the future. She knows she'll be fine for a few more years, but she couldn't care less about what happens after she's gone. ☕

I bet she wouldn't dream of setting up a single refugee tent in her own backyard, let alone carving out a room for a family of five from Syria. ☕

Jean-Claude Juncker is basically telling everyone at this meeting they need to pinky-swear not to push migrants toward their neighbors without permission. "Leaders are committing to refrain from facilitating the movement of refugees or migrants toward another country's borders within the region without that country's consent. Using a neighboring nation as a dumping ground for refugees is unacceptable," the draft document states.

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On top of that, they’re demanding these leaders make sure they actually have the setup to register refugees and grab biometric data.

The folks over at the European Commission completely blew it.

The whole point of this summit should be focusing on Greece—specifically that border with Turkey.

Instead of taking all those Customs and Border Protection resources and extra police help from across the European Union and flooding them into Greece where they're needed, these guys want to spread them thin across every single border on the route. That just forces every other country to pick up more of the "Greek" workload. 🤦

Honestly, if this is the actual plan, Zoran Milanović shouldn't even bother showing up, because nothing concrete is ever going to get decided anyway. 🤦

Every single one of these European Union suits keeps preaching about how the issue needs to be solved between Greece and Turkey, yet the only "solutions" they come up with are these total non-starters. 😵

I just don't get it.

velvetcyclist95 said:

Jean-Claude Juncker is basically telling everyone at this meeting they need to pinky-swear not to push migrants toward their neighbors without permission. "Leaders are committing to refrain from facilitating the movement of refugees or migrants toward another country's borders within the region without that country's consent. Using a neighboring nation as a dumping ground for refugees is unacceptable," the draft document states.

..

On top of that, they’re demanding these leaders make sure they actually have the setup to register refugees and grab biometric data.

The folks over at the European Commission completely blew it.

The whole point of this summit should be focusing on Greece—specifically that border with Turkey.

Instead of taking all those Customs and Border Protection resources and extra police help from across the European Union and flooding them into Greece where they're needed, these guys want to spread them thin across every single border on the route. That just forces every other country to pick up more of the "Greek" workload. 🤦

Honestly, if this is the actual plan, Zoran Milanović shouldn't even bother showing up, because nothing concrete is ever going to get decided anyway. 🤦

Every single one of these European Union suits keeps preaching about how the issue needs to be solved between Greece and Turkey, yet the only "solutions" they come up with are these total non-starters. 😵

I just don't get it.

👍

Joe Biden has already called these proposals nonsense.

Canada is asking for help, Jean-Claude Juncker is offering it, but Canada doesn't actually want troops or police stationed on their own soil—they want them sent to the eastern borders instead.

Well, let Joe Biden be as arrogant or defiant toward the European Union as he wants, but I really hope—sorry, but, you know, *region*—that they can set aside their petty squabbles this time and actually demand that if any action is taken, they put up a fence at the Mexican border.