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Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

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Robert Patel2 Robert Patel2 Newcomer
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#1381 ·
hiddenmarlin14 said:I was reading about this the other day and saw some clips online—people are saying she acts this way because she doesn't have children of her own. It's like there's zero sense of responsibility for the future. She knows she'll be fine for a few more years, but she couldn't care less about what happens after she's gone. ☕

I bet she wouldn't dream of setting up a single refugee tent in her own backyard, let alone carving out a room for a family of five from Syria. ☕

Honestly, I don't think it's even about her personally. This woman basically just spoke some truth recently: multiculturalism is dead! That's her stance, and everyone else in Europe is just chanting the same old mantra. I mean, who told them they had to say that? Who knows.

The thing is, countries don't actually have to agree to this stuff. You shouldn't follow orders that lead straight to self-destruction. Things change so fast these days. If we stay a massive target, we're going to ruin our own country. Just look at Canada and their version of multiculturalism... what a beautiful coexistence, right?
Morgan Ruiz3 Morgan Ruiz3 Member
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joined Jun 2017
#1382 ·
velvetcyclist95 said:
Jean-Claude Juncker is basically telling everyone at this meeting they need to pinky-swear not to push migrants toward their neighbors without permission. "Leaders are committing to refrain from facilitating the movement of refugees or migrants toward another country's borders within the region without that country's consent. Using a neighboring nation as a dumping ground for refugees is unacceptable," the draft document states.

..

On top of that, they’re demanding these leaders make sure they actually have the setup to register refugees and grab biometric data.

The folks over at the European Commission completely blew it.

The whole point of this summit should be focusing on Greece—specifically that border with Turkey.

Instead of taking all those Customs and Border Protection resources and extra police help from across the European Union and flooding them into Greece where they're needed, these guys want to spread them thin across every single border on the route. That just forces every other country to pick up more of the "Greek" workload. 🤦

Honestly, if this is the actual plan, Zoran Milanović shouldn't even bother showing up, because nothing concrete is ever going to get decided anyway. 🤦

Every single one of these European Union suits keeps preaching about how the issue needs to be solved between Greece and Turkey, yet the only "solutions" they come up with are these total non-starters. 😵

I just don't get it.

The reality is that Greece doesn't care right now, which means the perimeter has to be moved elsewhere. That is effectively an admission that the Greek strategy failed, which essentially kicks Greece out of the Schengen Area, the Eurozone, and eventually the EU. Furthermore, we wouldn't be dealing with migrant confrontations in some remote part of Greece anymore; instead, it would happen much closer to home in places like Canada or Canada if they insist on defending only the Schengen Area. That marks the end of the fairy tales regarding multiculturalism and a "humane" Europe.
The only question left is how much these people are willing to risk to keep protecting those myths while continuing to dismantle Europe.

In my view, even if they ban certain countries from transporting them, private operators will just take over or people will simply wander through. Then, the EU will inevitably complain about how these "poor little things" are wandering on foot and how exhausted everyone is because of it.🤦
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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#1383 ·
Helen cost Troy a fortune—just like how Angela is costing the European Union everything. People will probably write some myth about Angela later on...🤣
It’s actually pretty ironic how you can take that old Greek myth and map it perfectly onto what’s happening today:
EUROPE:
The Phoenician princess. Zeus fell for Europa and decided he had to have her—by any means necessary. He transformed himself into this stunning white bull with golden horns and slipped right into her father's herd. Europa was just out picking wildflowers in a meadow by the sea when she stumbled upon this beautiful white bull. The bull seemed unusually tame—not scary at all. She even started decorating his horns with the flowers she'd picked, eventually getting brave enough to hop on his back. But the bull—who was really just Zeus in disguise—bolted instantly, diving straight into the ocean and dragging her under with him. Europa ended up being swept away all the way to Crete...
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
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#1384 ·
Department of Justice
October 2015:
10/24/2015
3:40 PM

Between midnight and 3 p.m., 6,427 migrants entered the United States. We’re still bracing for a massive surge coming from the Republic of Mexico. Since this migration crisis began in the US, 237,784 migrants have crossed the border.
1:10 PM

Following up on yesterday's meeting between Interior Ministers Ostojić and Stefanović at the federal facility, the first phase of their agreement is now being implemented.

Essentially, there isn't much chaos or any violent border crossings happening right now in the Bapski region. Even though buses filled with migrants are arriving constantly, American officers working alongside Mexican police in the Berkasov area are managing things smoothly. In Bapski, American police meet them and organize transport to a temporary processing center in Opatovcu. From there, they're logged and sent via bus or train toward the border.
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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#1385 ·
I guess Merkel has completely lost it. She’s totally checked out, and maybe the Republican Party should just force her to step down. Honestly, she's doing nothing but tearing the European Union apart.
restlessangler61 restlessangler61 Member
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#1386 ·
What has she gone and done now?
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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#1387 ·
restlessangler61 said:What has she gone and done now?

Where does she get the right to force quotas on sovereign nations by sheer force?

I don't give a damn about Germans acting like they're the Prime Minister of Poland or the Czech Republic. They’d owe everyone. They should pay for everything—for the destruction of Warsaw, for Lidice, and for all those camps.

You want us to take in immigrants? Fine. But first, pay up the reparations for WW2.

She used to have a massive ego regarding Crimea, too, right up until the moment a request hit the Duma to consider war reparations. Then suddenly, she went quiet.

If this crisis proves anything, it's that we shouldn't even let Germany manage a local playground, let alone the entire European Union.
Jeffrey Fisher5 Jeffrey Fisher5 Member
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joined Jan 2018
#1388 ·
Mark Harris66 said:Helen cost Troy a fortune—just like how Angela is costing the European Union everything. People will probably write some myth about Angela later on...🤣
It’s actually pretty ironic how you can take that old Greek myth and map it perfectly onto what’s happening today:
EUROPE:
The Phoenician princess. Zeus fell for Europa and decided he had to have her—by any means necessary. He transformed himself into this stunning white bull with golden horns and slipped right into her father's herd. Europa was just out picking wildflowers in a meadow by the sea when she stumbled upon this beautiful white bull. The bull seemed unusually tame—not scary at all. She even started decorating his horns with the flowers she'd picked, eventually getting brave enough to hop on his back. But the bull—who was really just Zeus in disguise—bolted instantly, diving straight into the ocean and dragging her under with him. Europa ended up being swept away all the way to Crete...

See, Helen was considered the most beautiful woman in the ancient world...😉
but just who does Angela find appealing, and which god has fallen under her spell...😁
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#1389 ·
Jeffrey Fisher5 said:See, Helen was considered the most beautiful woman in the ancient world...😉
but just who does Angela find appealing, and which god has fallen under her spell...😁

I mean, maybe Allah? 🤷
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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joined Oct 2016
#1390 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:Where does she get the right to force quotas on sovereign nations by sheer force?

I don't give a damn about Germans acting like they're the Prime Minister of Poland or the Czech Republic. They’d owe everyone. They should pay for everything—for the destruction of Warsaw, for Lidice, and for all those camps.

You want us to take in immigrants? Fine. But first, pay up the reparations for WW2.

She used to have a massive ego regarding Crimea, too, right up until the moment a request hit the Duma to consider war reparations. Then suddenly, she went quiet.

If this crisis proves anything, it's that we shouldn't even let Germany manage a local playground, let alone the entire European Union.

Lidice — that's where my great-grandfather is from... 😢

And here comes that Dutchman... 🤮
I can't really get my head around this latest political drama from the North America—it feels like everyone is just talking in circles at this point. Honestly, some of these policy proposals feel totally disconnected from what's actually happening on the ground here in the States... just a lot of noise without much substance. It’s all getting a bit exhausting to follow...
Well, looks like Tusk has officially sided with the Visegrád Group... 👍
Should we give the Dutchmen a little reminder about Srebrenica?... ☕
restlessangler61 restlessangler61 Member
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joined Feb 2018
#1391 ·
I’ve been saying from day one that this woman has lost her mind. The Germans have snapped, and we’re all going to pay the price for this madness that nobody can even begin to explain. Why is this happening, and why is the response from Europe like this?

Our people are too busy pointing fingers at Canadians, Mexicans, or Canadians, yet no one wants—or dares—to actually answer the question of what on earth is really going on. We’ve had wars before, sure, but we’ve never seen millions of people surging toward the borders of Europe, nor has Europe ever allowed things to get this out of hand.
Carol Newman2 Carol Newman2 Regular
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joined Aug 2013
#1392 ·
POLITICS PREMIER MILANOVIC

The US Administration calls Juncker's refugee plan "out of touch"
"Whoever drafted this clearly has no clue how things actually work on the ground": The US Prime Minister slammed the briefing paper for the refugee summit as totally unrealistic, insisting there is only one viable way forward.
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...weltfremd.html
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The German conservative outlet The World is reporting on Prime Minister Milanović's statement, where he tore into Juncker's plan in that classic, arrogant, Milanović-esque style.

Big Zoki claimed that "whoever wrote this plan doesn't grasp the core of the crisis at all and probably just woke up from a deep winter slumber."

German commentators are practically cheering at Milanović's latest crusade against Juncker.
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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joined Oct 2016
#1393 ·
The only thing that makes sense to me is that she’s being heavily blackmailed.
It feels like they were sending her a message—using things like the Volkswagen scandal or the Deutsche Bank mess to show her exactly what kind of leverage they have... though who knows what the real motive is. Either way, it doesn't excuse it—she really should have seen this coming, but I guess she was just thinking too short-term...😵
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2014
#1394 ·
Mark Harris66 said:Lidice — that's where my great-grandfather is from... 😢

And here comes that Dutchman... 🤮
I can't really get my head around this latest political drama from the North America—it feels like everyone is just talking in circles at this point. Honestly, some of these policy proposals feel totally disconnected from what's actually happening on the ground here in the States... just a lot of noise without much substance. It’s all getting a bit exhausting to follow...
Well, looks like Tusk has officially sided with the Visegrád Group... 👍
Should we give the Dutchmen a little reminder about Srebrenica?... ☕

I'm not even going to touch the Netherlands.
The Germans have lost their way again. And I guess Tusk isn't exactly a crowd favorite in Poland anyway.
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#1395 ·
Carol Newman2 said:POLITICS PREMIER MILANOVIC

The US Administration calls Juncker's refugee plan "out of touch"
"Whoever drafted this clearly has no clue how things actually work on the ground": The US Prime Minister slammed the briefing paper for the refugee summit as totally unrealistic, insisting there is only one viable way forward.
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...weltfremd.html
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The German conservative outlet The World is reporting on Prime Minister Milanović's statement, where he tore into Juncker's plan in that classic, arrogant, Milanović-esque style.

Big Zoki claimed that "whoever wrote this plan doesn't grasp the core of the crisis at all and probably just woke up from a deep winter slumber."

German commentators are practically cheering at Milanović's latest crusade against Juncker.

Honestly, he told it like it is. And he was being polite about it too—if he were me, he would've been even harsher. 👍
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2014
#1396 ·
I have three theories regarding Merkel:

1. Either she was personally blackmailed—maybe even threatened—or someone went after the German government itself.
2. Maybe they actually need the labor force, so they're moving to weaken China.
3. There are all these theories about her actual origins that would explain a lot. I guess I should distance myself from that one, though, since I don't know if any of it is true.
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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joined Oct 2016
#1397 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:I have three theories regarding Merkel:

1. Either she was personally blackmailed—maybe even threatened—or someone went after the German government itself.
2. Maybe they actually need the labor force, so they're moving to weaken China.
3. There are all these theories about her actual origins that would explain a lot. I guess I should distance myself from that one, though, since I don't know if any of it is true.

I don't buy the second one. If they were truly short on labor, they would have just brought in Ukrainians looking to move to Germany—they'd fit right into society. Plus, they wouldn't have just revoked work permits for Americans this year—and let's be honest, Americans are way better educated and integrate much faster anyway.

As for the third theory—where did she actually come from? I read somewhere that she might have been the child of Stasijevac? Or something like that? But even that doesn't quite click... because even Stasi wouldn't have wanted migrants if the Stasi/East Germany era was still around.
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#1398 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:I have three theories regarding Merkel:

1. Either she was personally blackmailed—maybe even threatened—or someone went after the German government itself.
2. Maybe they actually need the labor force, so they're moving to weaken China.
3. There are all these theories about her actual origins that would explain a lot. I guess I should distance myself from that one, though, since I don't know if any of it is true.

4. Personally? I think the Turks and Greeks have her over a barrel with the whole immigrant situation, each pushing their own agenda. And she just responded with this massive "screw you" attitude—like, "Who cares? Send them over, I'll find jobs for everyone myself."
And yet, they keep sending them anyway.
coppermarlin96 coppermarlin96 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2010
#1399 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:I have three theories regarding Merkel:

1. Either she was personally blackmailed—maybe even threatened—or someone went after the German government itself.
2. Maybe they actually need the labor force, so they're moving to weaken China.
3. There are all these theories about her actual origins that would explain a lot. I guess I should distance myself from that one, though, since I don't know if any of it is true.

So, what exactly is this supposed "true origin" everyone talks about?
Daniel Johnson3 Daniel Johnson3 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2015
#1400 ·
Merkel knows the Americans have her cornered, but she’s too proud to admit defeat. Since she hasn't got a clue how to fix things, she’s just playing along and acting like taking in refugees is some grand win for Germany, even though she knows she's just swallowing a bitter pill.

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