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Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#41 ·
Matthew Evans said:"Quote:"

It’s actually pretty simple: Once you finally return to the Source—once you actually wake up—you realize you are God.
When you finally cycle back from that state and reintegrate into experience—let's say, you’re just an ordinary guy again—you aren't starting from scratch. You emerge as someone with an upgraded awareness of the Self-God. It’s a heightened state of being that you keep sharp, all thanks to that specific process of pulling your attention back toward the Self-absolute.

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A bit more context:

First, you need the hunger to know, followed by the groundwork—basically, training the Being’s will and attention to slowly turn toward the Self. But when I say "toward the Self," I’m talking about that thing which can never be perceived through subjective imagery. I mean the true I. Once a Being is sufficiently prepared, the enlightenment of the absolute (the Self) happens exactly when you least expect it. Why? Because that's the only time you're actually free from striving. Every attempt at striving is just an exercise in concentrating attention through the intellect. You can't perceive something that doesn't vibrate using mere logic. As long as you remain conscious of the object you're chasing—as long as you're thinking and focusing on a vibrating thought—enlightenment won't happen. It means you have to be ready to voluntarily surrender everything that makes you a distinct creature, including Consciousness itself. This doesn't imply that, as a Being, you are totally unaware of what you're trying to achieve. Quite the opposite; you've simply placed your intention in the hands of the Self-God. Even before enlightenment, you've already had intuitive flashes of Consciousness (the spirit of the absolute), including glimpses of that "thing" you're searching for. But you could never truly conceptualize it; your intellect just couldn't grasp the absolute. This preparation is essentially an intuitive education in how to surrender unconditionally, placing total trust in that absolute spirit that has been feeding you instructions until now. By developing intuition, you arrive at inevitable Knowledge, which allows you to surrender with confidence. The path to total surrender is the path to total trust—which leads to an absolute freedom from the fear of loss, from death, and from the terror of non-existence. Through this kind of spiritual self-education, you become calm and composed, yet still driven by the desire for total Self-knowledge, ready to accept whatever Consciousness decides to offer you. When you are fully surrendered to Consciousness, that is the moment all barriers dissolve and the spirit of the creature returns to the absolute spirit. Truly, that is when the Being, through a will that is already surrendered to Consciousness, shifts its attention away from the projection of experience—away from the subject's intellect—and onto the absolute itself: onto what remains when the projection is "switched off." Onto the true Self.

It’s pretty simple, really. When a Being directs its entire focus inward toward the self—toward the absolute—that absolute becomes illuminated by an absolute spirit. That reflection of what truly is merges with the thing itself. In that moment, that initial core of what exists (the absolute) and the absolute spirit (Consciousness) become one single, absolute unit of Self-knowledge.

Look, I’m telling you, it all comes down to the Self-absolute. Think about it: if Knowledge itself is absolute, then that Absolute is absolute too. That means every single bit of individual Self-knowledge—which is really just a reflection of the quality of the absolute—acts as a container for every other piece of Self-knowledge out there. In this kind of absolute relationship, the Being becomes God. Once consciousness turns inward and excludes unconsciousness, the human spirit as we know it simply ceases to exist. It has to happen that way for the Source to reveal itself. At that point, the Being isn't some "creature" anymore; it's become the Self-absolute, or God.

If God is the absolute—the one who truly knows the Self—then that Knowledge contains everything necessary for what *is* to actually exist. It’s all there, sitting in that pool of potential. Within that same Consciousness, everything is already known. We're talking total Self-knowledge: every quality of the absolute, the mechanics of projection, the principles of existence, and pretty much anything else you could possibly wrap your head around. But here’s the thing: Knowledge isn't the manifestation itself. Because the Being understands this, it pulls its attention and will back into an individual projection. It carries that Knowledge along, expanding the spirit of creation and trying to fulfill that primal drive—the original intention of the soul to realize itself. That’s why that spiritual Knowledge gets funneled down into the human intellect. It has to be processed and understood so it can actually be put to work, attempting to refine reality until it mirrors the purest expression of the soul.


Thanks for providing such a detailed breakdown of your technique for awakening Man. So, this is the path you’ve walked to reach enlightenment.
It reminds me of how there’s a whole mountain of techniques cooked up by that one single local guru we have over here:

Peter Phillips32 said:Well, if you don't know how to frame your question and you keep getting useless answers, then maybe next time you should figure out how to word it so you don't end up with those same wrong answers you already know aren't helpful.

So, just ask it again in a way that won't trigger those incorrect responses you aren't looking for in the first place.
That's just how you handled it. You reached into your own little stash of knowledge and pulled out something that might sound like an answer, but it isn't. Because I know damn well what continuity is, and I'm fully aware of my own growth. I can look back at myself as a five-year-old kid who knew nothing and had certain emotions, and compare that to who I am today—a woman in her fifties who knows what she knows about the world, politics, people, nations, biology, economics... and so on.

You can only be aware of your own nature evolving in a theoretical sense; having the idea of such change is one thing. But thinking you actually know who you were as a five-year-old? That’s most likely just a manufactured memory mixed with a tiny bit of reality. Those generalizations about how five-year-olds act are just that—tiny bits of reality—and the rest is just making stuff up by stitching those generalizations onto fragments of childhood memories.

If you really want to convince me I wrote something wrong, you're going to have to try a lot harder than that. Nothing short of posing the "right question" and finding the right answer is going to move the needle for me. And honestly, just a heads-up: stop lecturing me on my "wrong beliefs" regarding how much of memory is made up, and just focus on finding the "right question." I mean, hey, it's your call which matters more to you.

Isn't it kind of weird how everyone who disagrees with him is automatically wrong, as if this "guru of humanity" simply must be right? It's almost like—dare I say it—he's just another spiritualist in a long line of guys delivering monologues about their own superior truth. If reverse psychology exists, then this guru of humanity is the first one to actually prove "reverse gurulism."

And please, for the love of God, stop throwing in convenient little stories about your anti-guru hero, K. g. U.

But look, I personally met Jesus, and I was hit with these heavy arguments about his Truth, his Path, and his Life back when I was just a kid. There was just one tiny little catch, though. Jesus turned out to be just some kid from the neighborhood.

I mean, when you finally come face-to-face with the most powerful figure in religious history—someone who's basically a guru that avoids anyone with a different opinion like Satan avoids frankincense—what happens?

Honestly, you've got pretty low standards if you're just one of those people who thinks, "Well, as long as at least one person finds happiness," and then you pat yourself on the back thinking you've accomplished your life's mission.

You're standing at a crossroads here, and you've got a choice: you can keep churning out these massive mountains of nonsense text just to reach one or two people who will become your mindless little cult followers, or you can actually try to explain your ideas concisely and clearly, aiming to foster some actual understanding through real conversation.

As for what he’s actually achieved or whether he’s being authentic—well, only he knows that. Honestly, you don't even need a special experience; you could just study the theory from spiritual literature, which isn't exactly hard to find in America these days.
He seems to feel this burning need to dump all this knowledge he supposedly pulled from transcendental sources onto us.
Whether it's authentic is hard to prove. All I see is that he's trying. Maybe he should have reflected on that Zen story from the link above regarding spiritual technologies:

A MOTHER'S ADVICE
Jiun, a teacher to a shogun, was a well-known expert in Sanskrit during the Tokugawa period. When he was young, he used to give lectures to his fellow students. His mother heard about this and wrote him a letter:
“Son, I don't think you became a follower of Buddha just because you wanted to become a walking dictionary for others. There is no end to teaching, interpreting, shining, and seeking glory.
I would like you to stop these lectures. Retreat to a small temple in a remote part of the mountains. Devote your time to meditation, and through that, attain true knowledge.”


To him, that advice probably holds no weight since he claims he's already enlightened. Though, to be fair, he hasn't exactly shared any concrete details about this supposed enlightenment of his.

And regarding the whole "guruism" thing, it looks like gurus just can't stand each other, leading them to say things like this:

Zika is Senator Palpatine

Just look at what this guy Mihajlo Slavinski—better known as Zika—wrote. You'll see it's the exact same vibe as the ideas from our new guru here:

"The breadth and freedom of the Soul," "Love." Once my mind stops its initial struggle and resistance, I enter a state of bliss that is difficult to return from. At the same time, it feels entirely new, yet infinitely familiar—a sense
of belonging and connection to everything. Everything is so easy and natural... Every descent into Shunyata leads
me to a new level, a different one, showing me at first how easy it is to dissolve—to discretize—all
the problems and the heavy emotions I carry within myself. I feel a profound relief realizing that all these limitations
are not "Me" and that I can let them go completely, if only I decide to do so.
"I" becomes width, light, a feeling of simultaneously floating in the depths of the ocean and
distant cosmic expanses...
A massive sense of Love and Peace!"


So, there you have it—the actual experience of one participant from a Shunyata course!

The only thing that truly tripped me up when I crossed paths with Jesus—you know, that local kid from the neighborhood who spent all his time preaching about the self—was the question of where he actually went. Because after just a few months, it was like he vanished off the face of the earth; nobody had any clue where to find him anymore.

I once encountered a Christ myself:

The guy knows the entire Bible by heart and just spouts stuff left and right!!! Honestly, he’s even more intense than Matthew Evans
Matthew Evans Matthew Evans MemberOP
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#42 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:Thanks for providing such a detailed breakdown of your technique for awakening Man. So, this is the path you’ve walked to reach enlightenment.
It reminds me of how there’s a whole mountain of techniques cooked up by that one single local guru we have over here:

As for what he’s actually achieved or whether he’s being authentic—well, only he knows that. Honestly, you don't even need a special experience; you could just study the theory from spiritual literature, which isn't exactly hard to find in America these days.
He seems to feel this burning need to dump all this knowledge he supposedly pulled from transcendental sources onto us.
Whether it's authentic is hard to prove. All I see is that he's trying. Maybe he should have reflected on that Zen story from the link above regarding spiritual technologies:

A MOTHER'S ADVICE
Jiun, a teacher to a shogun, was a well-known expert in Sanskrit during the Tokugawa period. When he was young, he used to give lectures to his fellow students. His mother heard about this and wrote him a letter:
“Son, I don't think you became a follower of Buddha just because you wanted to become a walking dictionary for others. There is no end to teaching, interpreting, shining, and seeking glory.
I would like you to stop these lectures. Retreat to a small temple in a remote part of the mountains. Devote your time to meditation, and through that, attain true knowledge.”


To him, that advice probably holds no weight since he claims he's already enlightened. Though, to be fair, he hasn't exactly shared any concrete details about this supposed enlightenment of his.

And regarding the whole "guruism" thing, it looks like gurus just can't stand each other, leading them to say things like this:

Zika is Senator Palpatine

Just look at what this guy Mihajlo Slavinski—better known as Zika—wrote. You'll see it's the exact same vibe as the ideas from our new guru here:

"The breadth and freedom of the Soul," "Love." Once my mind stops its initial struggle and resistance, I enter a state of bliss that is difficult to return from. At the same time, it feels entirely new, yet infinitely familiar—a sense
of belonging and connection to everything. Everything is so easy and natural... Every descent into Shunyata leads
me to a new level, a different one, showing me at first how easy it is to dissolve—to discretize—all
the problems and the heavy emotions I carry within myself. I feel a profound relief realizing that all these limitations
are not "Me" and that I can let them go completely, if only I decide to do so.
"I" becomes width, light, a feeling of simultaneously floating in the depths of the ocean and
distant cosmic expanses...
A massive sense of Love and Peace!"


So, there you have it—the actual experience of one participant from a Shunyata course!

The only thing that truly tripped me up when I crossed paths with Jesus—you know, that local kid from the neighborhood who spent all his time preaching about the self—was the question of where he actually went. Because after just a few months, it was like he vanished off the face of the earth; nobody had any clue where to find him anymore.

I once encountered a Christ myself:

The guy knows the entire Bible by heart and just spouts stuff left and right!!! Honestly, he’s even more intense than Matthew Evans

As for me, I don't have much to do with the Bible... I'm not preaching its contents. Not everything in the Bible represents the truth... there's a lot in there designed for other purposes (controlling the mind).
Nancy Wilson2 Nancy Wilson2 Active Member
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#43 ·
It’s a beautiful concept—one that carries an inherent message of oneness and fundamental equality. If you look inward through introspection, you can conclude that consciousness itself lacks any defining characteristics that would allow one instance to be distinguished from another; in that sense, we are all essentially equal.

Throughout history, numerous traditions have been defined by this kind of idealistic philosophy—most notably Hinduism. You see it most clearly in the Upanishads, with their profound concepts of brahman and atman.

Even here in the West, there are specific currents within Islam and Christianity that touch upon this non-duality and the primacy of the mental state—think Gnosticism or Sufism. Even the Gospel of John possesses certain Gnostic and idealistic elements, primarily found within some of Jesus' statements. Of course, there are plenty of valid reasons to suspect that the real Jesus never actually uttered them.

That said, I am not aware of any compelling philosophical arguments against this brand of idealism—especially against the core idea of a single divine being residing within us all as our own consciousness or "I." The issues typically associated with idealism tend to arise elsewhere, but that really isn't the focus of this particular discussion.
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active Member
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joined Jun 2012
#44 ·
Nancy Wilson2 said:It’s a beautiful concept, really—one that carries this inherent message of oneness and equality. If you look inward through introspection, you realize consciousness doesn't have distinguishing features to set one person apart from another. In that sense, we are fundamentally equal.

Throughout history, many traditions have been defined by this kind of idealistic philosophy, especially Hinduism. You see it most clearly in the Upanishads with their concepts of Brahman and Atman.

Even here in the West, you find certain currents within Islam and Christianity that touch on non-duality and the primacy of the mental—think Gnosticism or Sufism. Even the Gospel of John contains those Gnostic, idealistic elements, primarily through certain statements attributed to Jesus. Of course, there are plenty of reasons to argue that the real Jesus never actually said them.

That said, I’m not aware of any solid philosophical arguments against this type of idealism, specifically against the idea of a single divine being living within us all as our own consciousness or "I." The real issues with idealism usually crop up elsewhere, but that isn't really what we're debating here.

Everything that exists = God
Everything is made of God, regardless of whatever labels we slap on it.
Every single cell in your body is God. Every thought is God. Your identity? It doesn't actually exist; it’s just a mental illusion. When you meditate, the mind settles, the thoughts stop, and our true nature reveals itself.
(that famous shift from the head down to the heart)

We are essentially cells that make up God, much like our own cells are units that make up our own "god"—because a balanced, self-actualized person eats well, stays at peace with their surroundings to maintain inner peace, nurtures their cells, and listens to them. Just one way to view the fractal nature of the universe.

Infinite love and infinite patience

Look, we could talk about this for years and never actually reach the truth.
But in the silence, it’s hard to miss. 😁
There's no point searching for truth in books, opinions, or research results; those are all just consequences of circumstances. Truth is right here, right now.

It's better to just sing and dance :P
Matthew Evans Matthew Evans MemberOP
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#45 ·
Jacob Sanchez7 said:Everything that exists = God
Everything is made of God, regardless of whatever labels we slap on it.
Every single cell in your body is God. Every thought is God. Your identity? It doesn't actually exist; it’s just a mental illusion. When you meditate, the mind settles, the thoughts stop, and our true nature reveals itself.
(that famous shift from the head down to the heart)

We are essentially cells that make up God, much like our own cells are units that make up our own "god"—because a balanced, self-actualized person eats well, stays at peace with their surroundings to maintain inner peace, nurtures their cells, and listens to them. Just one way to view the fractal nature of the universe.

Infinite love and infinite patience

Look, we could talk about this for years and never actually reach the truth.
But in the silence, it’s hard to miss. 😁
There's no point searching for truth in books, opinions, or research results; those are all just consequences of circumstances. Truth is right here, right now.

It's better to just sing and dance :P

God isn't everything that exists. If God were simply everything, then God wouldn't be unborn, uncreated, or unchanging. The mere fact that anything undergoes change proves it isn't God. God doesn't pass through change. God is unborn, uncreated, uncreatable, and immutable—absolutely absolute.

When you’re dealing with something absolute, that thing exists uniformly. It means every single "part" of it holds equal weight. Each fragment is just as much a container for all the other parts as the whole is. Look, Man isn't built like that. A human being doesn't carry the entire universe inside them; it's actually the other way around—the universe carries the human. And honestly? Even the universe doesn't hold God within itself.

So, does that mean the universe isn't God?
Not quite.

God is the essence—the absolute Being that possesses Knowledge-of-Self. That specific Knowledge-of-Self-as-absolute (Consciousness) is itself absolute. Because of that, every single individual instance of knowledge-of-self (every "I") acts as a container for all other instances of knowledge-of-self. It’s like a fractal where every part holds the whole. In this sense, the One and Oneness are essentially equal.
So, The absolute (Being) plus consciousness-of-the-Self-absolute equals God.

Think of it this way: there’s a distinction between God, who exists solely within that absolute aspect of the Being, and the Being itself, which is omnipresent. The Being isn't just tucked away in that absolute state; it’s right there in the thick of experience and creation, too. When the Being shows up in the realm of creation, it generates a spirit of creation—essentially a reflection of its own projected state. And just like in the absolute, that reflection always curves back toward the self. It’s a closed loop. So, when the Being projects experience, it creates this consciousness-of-becoming-self, or a creative spirit, through which the Being comes to know itself as a created thing.

Look, when it comes to making sense of the whole mess of existence, most people just can't tell the difference. They struggle to distinguish between what is truly, absolutely present—that Being that permeates everything in existence—and that which is absolute within itself.



Jacob Sanchez7 said:Everything that exists = God
Everything is made of God, regardless of whatever labels we slap on it.
Every single cell in your body is God. Every thought is God. Your identity? It doesn't actually exist; it’s just a mental illusion. When you meditate, the mind settles, the thoughts stop, and our true nature reveals itself.
(that famous shift from the head down to the heart)

We are essentially cells that make up God, much like our own cells are units that make up our own "god"—because a balanced, self-actualized person eats well, stays at peace with their surroundings to maintain inner peace, nurtures their cells, and listens to them. Just one way to view the fractal nature of the universe.

Infinite love and infinite patience

Look, we could talk about this for years and never actually reach the truth.
But in the silence, it’s hard to miss. 😁
There's no point searching for truth in books, opinions, or research results; those are all just consequences of circumstances. Truth is right here, right now.

It's better to just sing and dance :P

Not everything is made of God, but everything that exists—creation itself—is God’s creation. It is built from Knowledge-of-Self, which God projects from Consciousness into individualized experiences. Think of it like this: God projects Ideas (souls) out of Consciousness, but God doesn't project Himself outside of the Self-God. That’s why the absolute, as Being, exists without absolute Knowledge-of-Self (without Consciousness), positioning itself within these individual Knowledges. It does this to create an experience, to actually manifest its own potential through those specific fragments of Knowledge-of-Self. In the process, the absolute (Being) also creates the consciousness-of-becoming-self (creation). Now, within this creation, Being—which is fundamentally the same as what is in GOD—strives toward the Ideal (the Self-God) that it separated from through individualization. But you can only reach that Ideal when your consciousness rises to a level where you can totally surrender to it. You have to let that Ideal strike you, pull you out of the projection, and bring you back to the Self-absolute. I've touched on this in my earlier comments.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#46 ·
Matthew Evans said:As for me, I don't have much to do with the Bible... I'm not preaching its contents. Not everything in the Bible represents the truth... there's a lot in there designed for other purposes (controlling the mind).

I honestly thought Lawrence Novosel was pushing the Bible just like you push that New Age spirituality.😬
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
577 messages
joined Apr 2017
#47 ·
Matthew Evans said:God isn't everything that exists. If God were simply everything, then God wouldn't be unborn, uncreated, or unchanging. The mere fact that anything undergoes change proves it isn't God. God doesn't pass through change. God is unborn, uncreated, uncreatable, and immutable—absolutely absolute.

When you’re dealing with something absolute, that thing exists uniformly. It means every single "part" of it holds equal weight. Each fragment is just as much a container for all the other parts as the whole is. Look, Man isn't built like that. A human being doesn't carry the entire universe inside them; it's actually the other way around—the universe carries the human. And honestly? Even the universe doesn't hold God within itself.

So, does that mean the universe isn't God?
Not quite.

God is the essence—the absolute Being that possesses Knowledge-of-Self. That specific Knowledge-of-Self-as-absolute (Consciousness) is itself absolute. Because of that, every single individual instance of knowledge-of-self (every "I") acts as a container for all other instances of knowledge-of-self. It’s like a fractal where every part holds the whole. In this sense, the One and Oneness are essentially equal.
So, The absolute (Being) plus consciousness-of-the-Self-absolute equals God.

Think of it this way: there’s a distinction between God, who exists solely within that absolute aspect of the Being, and the Being itself, which is omnipresent. The Being isn't just tucked away in that absolute state; it’s right there in the thick of experience and creation, too. When the Being shows up in the realm of creation, it generates a spirit of creation—essentially a reflection of its own projected state. And just like in the absolute, that reflection always curves back toward the self. It’s a closed loop. So, when the Being projects experience, it creates this consciousness-of-becoming-self, or a creative spirit, through which the Being comes to know itself as a created thing.

Look, when it comes to making sense of the whole mess of existence, most people just can't tell the difference. They struggle to distinguish between what is truly, absolutely present—that Being that permeates everything in existence—and that which is absolute within itself.



Not everything is made of God, but everything that exists—creation itself—is God’s creation. It is built from Knowledge-of-Self, which God projects from Consciousness into individualized experiences. Think of it like this: God projects Ideas (souls) out of Consciousness, but God doesn't project Himself outside of the Self-God. That’s why the absolute, as Being, exists without absolute Knowledge-of-Self (without Consciousness), positioning itself within these individual Knowledges. It does this to create an experience, to actually manifest its own potential through those specific fragments of Knowledge-of-Self. In the process, the absolute (Being) also creates the consciousness-of-becoming-self (creation). Now, within this creation, Being—which is fundamentally the same as what is in GOD—strives toward the Ideal (the Self-God) that it separated from through individualization. But you can only reach that Ideal when your consciousness rises to a level where you can totally surrender to it. You have to let that Ideal strike you, pull you out of the projection, and bring you back to the Self-absolute. I've touched on this in my earlier comments.

But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.
Matthew Evans Matthew Evans MemberOP
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#48 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.



Before there was ever heaven or earth, there was Mind. Without Mind, nothing else can exist—there are no manifestations, period. In all honesty, Mind is the very first movement of the absolute. It’s the true beginning.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.


What’s unclear, silent, and empty—that void—is the constant background for everything that ever emerges within it or through it. Think of the sky, the earth, or anything else that takes shape; they all spring from this same stillness. That is the Mind. The Mind is present in every single shift, yet the Mind itself remains untouched by change. It acts as the medium for all transformation, facilitating every movement while appearing to evolve, though in reality, it stays exactly as it is. What actually changes are just the relationships between things within it—the endless variables, like an infinite set of equations constantly shifting their values.

So, when the Being within a person finally manages to break free from thought—from those fleeting appearances in the void or the manifestation of equations—what's left? You’re looking at an emptied Mind. There is nothing inside it. It’s just a state of total emptiness, facing nothing but the Mind itself, which is perceived only as that very void.

That isn't what God is.

God is experienced in the next stage of liberating your attention. Once you turn that focus back toward the self-observer—when your attention is finally pointed inward at the self—the emptiness begins to fall away. It just vanishes. In its place, the absolute emerges within the spirit. That’s when Being is experienced as God.

God equals absolute plus Consciousness. Knowledge-of-Self-absolute—or perhaps just the spirit of the absolute.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.


Yeah, like I just said—the Mind is the medium. It’s the mechanism, the matrix, and the cradle for everything that exists.

The "Thing" is just the sum of the I and the Mind.

So, here’s how it works: Every Knowledge-of-Self—that core "I" from the Center of Consciousness—has to project itself through the Mind to actually become an experience. You can't project anything without the Mind; it's the only tool we have for that. When that happens, it creates a "vibration" with its own specific frequency. It’s called a vibration because that direct, individual connection with the Mind is where the first consciousness-of-becoming-self takes place. It's essentially an exchange between two types of Knowledge-of-Self: the knowledge of your individual "I" and the knowledge of the other "I." In this setup, the Mind acts as the medium—the absolute container holding all other forms of Knowledge-of-Self within the self.

So, here’s the thing: Um is absolutely present within projected reality alongside every other projected I. It’s basically the backbone of the rest of the Self, making it possible for things to individualize through it and for its... through the realization of the rest of the Self (the subject-I + MIND + object-I). In this process, every single insight becomes its own thing—a specific, individualized, PERSONAL experience.

So, when a 'Man' empties his mind (or more accurately, when a Being does), everything goes quiet. The mental images of objects vanish, space itself disappears because there are no objects left to define it. What remains is a void. You become aware of that primal creation within the 'self,' but you haven't yet reached the true Self, the God-WHO-IS...the absolute.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.

Call him whatever you want. Manifestation unfolds within him; manifestation unfolds through him. He is the primary manifestation. Most people aren't clear on this, but he is commonly known as the MIND.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.

Infinity is just a trait of the represented Mind—a characteristic of projected emptiness. You can't put boundaries on it.

Unlike the infinite Mind, the absolute is finite—it is God.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.

I don't agree with that at all. See, being all-encompassing means you encompass EVERYTHING. That isn't a "beginning"; it’s an attribute of the spirit that exists at the start, the middle, and the end. If we are suggesting that the Mind is a projection of the absolute personality, then yes, the Mind encompasses the rest of the projected Self within itself. I say *projected* Self, because there is also a non-projected, unmanifested Self which is the spirit of the absolute. But the Mind, by its nature, encompasses every phenomenon during manifestation. All those phenomena and manifestations constitute the Universe.

The Mind is a projection of the absolute personality, which means it leaves out other characteristics of the absolute; grandeur and impersonality.
The single Mind is the manifestation of the individual absolute personality, whereas all Minds (of every universe) are the manifestation of the grandeur of the absolute. So, every single "I" within the Self acts as the MIND to the rest of the projected Self.

When the absolute is experienced as grandiose, it isn't experienced as just one Mind containing a single universe; rather, it is experienced as all Minds and all their universes simultaneously—as the various manifestations of all absolute personalities.

When the absolute is experienced as an impersonal manifestation, then it is experienced as the Multiverse—the complete manifestation of all universes combined.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.

That's just a human perspective. The truth is that every "thing" possesses its own Mind. By that logic, everything would be considered massive, not just those four specific examples mentioned.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.

Everything that comes to be, everything that evolves and grows, follows the blueprint of that initial creation—the Tao.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But this particular school of thought approaches the concept of God quite differently:

The Great Tao

Born before heaven and earth,
there exists something—vague, yet complete,
silent, empty,
always the same amidst all shifts,
eternally changing, yet eternally the same.

It can be viewed as the mother of all things.
I do not know its name,
so I call it the Tao.
In the absence of a better word, I call it "Great."
Great implies infinite.
Infinite means all-encompassing.
All-encompassing means returning to the beginning.

Therefore:
The Tao is great.
Heaven is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
In existence, there are four great things,
and Man is one of them.

Man follows the earth,
the earth follows heaven,
heaven follows the Tao,
and the Tao follows its own nature.

The mind is just a projection. Absolute personalities. His "nature" is absolute.
Matthew Evans Matthew Evans MemberOP
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#49 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:I honestly thought Lawrence Novosel was pushing the Bible just like you push that New Age spirituality.😬

Look, I’m not some New Age cheerleader. I’m explaining existence from the perspective of the Self, straight from the source, rather than following someone else's script. I live in this era—that much is obvious. I am HERE and NOW, which is why there's naturally going to be some overlap with what people call the 'New Age' movement. Our connection isn't ideological; it's linguistic. I use a vocabulary that makes sense to the modern American, but we all draw from the same source. That same source is what connects us to Taoists and everyone else talking about the same thing. The only difference is that instead of using the terminology used by Bedouins, Romans, or ancient Chinese thinkers two millennia ago, I’m using the language of my contemporaries—the way people actually talk in everyday life today.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
577 messages
joined Apr 2017
#50 ·
Matthew Evans said:Look, I’m not some New Age cheerleader. I’m explaining existence from the perspective of the Self, straight from the source, rather than following someone else's script. I live in this era—that much is obvious. I am HERE and NOW, which is why there's naturally going to be some overlap with what people call the 'New Age' movement. Our connection isn't ideological; it's linguistic. I use a vocabulary that makes sense to the modern American, but we all draw from the same source. That same source is what connects us to Taoists and everyone else talking about the same thing. The only difference is that instead of using the terminology used by Bedouins, Romans, or ancient Chinese thinkers two millennia ago, I’m using the language of my contemporaries—the way people actually talk in everyday life today.

By definition, New Age is just contemporary spirituality that hasn't been packaged into a formal religion or a rigid philosophical school.
And that puts you right in that category. Just like it puts this Australian colleague of yours—the one people constantly confuse you with—right in the middle of it:

It’s actually a good thing when two people are saying the same thing, even if their delivery is a bit different.

The real headache, though, is how does one even approach this transcendental knowledge? Some people claim we absolutely need spiritual guides:

But these "guides" often hide their true intentions, much like a snake hides its legs.😁

Sadly, sometimes what shows up isn't a guide at all, but an "anti-spiritual" guide. I suppose those are the ones sent by the late Friedrich Nietzsche:
"If you can't teach someone how to swim, teach them how to sink as fast as possible" :😬

Take my neighbor, a decent guy I knew, for example:

The man was genuinely trying his best to grasp the Supreme Mind—to let it take hold of him. And the poor soul, instead of achieving transcendence of consciousness, ended up getting beaten senseless by people and finishing up in a psychiatric ward.
So, it really makes you wonder: why do certain guides appear to some people without even being summoned? And why do others, despite screamingly loud calls for help, find themselves met by "anti-guides"—people who, instead of offering grace, just rub salt in the wound? 😲 😁 😲

Essentially, a person acts according to this:

But they end up with http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
hollowpuma762 hollowpuma762 Active Member
190 messages
joined Feb 2015
#51 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:By definition, New Age is just contemporary spirituality that hasn't been packaged into a formal religion or a rigid philosophical school.
And that puts you right in that category. Just like it puts this Australian colleague of yours—the one people constantly confuse you with—right in the middle of it:

It’s actually a good thing when two people are saying the same thing, even if their delivery is a bit different.

The real headache, though, is how does one even approach this transcendental knowledge? Some people claim we absolutely need spiritual guides:

But these "guides" often hide their true intentions, much like a snake hides its legs.😁

Sadly, sometimes what shows up isn't a guide at all, but an "anti-spiritual" guide. I suppose those are the ones sent by the late Friedrich Nietzsche:
"If you can't teach someone how to swim, teach them how to sink as fast as possible" :😬

Take my neighbor, a decent guy I knew, for example:

The man was genuinely trying his best to grasp the Supreme Mind—to let it take hold of him. And the poor soul, instead of achieving transcendence of consciousness, ended up getting beaten senseless by people and finishing up in a psychiatric ward.
So, it really makes you wonder: why do certain guides appear to some people without even being summoned? And why do others, despite screamingly loud calls for help, find themselves met by "anti-guides"—people who, instead of offering grace, just rub salt in the wound? 😲 😁 😲

Essentially, a person acts according to this:

But they end up with http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Or maybe you're just overgeneralizing.

The guy clearly wrote that he isn't part of some New Age setup, yet the elements he's bringing up didn't even originate from those "modern spirituality" movements.

Your whole interpretation—your way of valuing things and deciding "where someone belongs"—that's strictly your own reality playing out.
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active Member
79 messages
joined Jun 2012
#52 ·
God doesn't argue with Himself, nor does He condemn the parts of Himself that are sleeping. There is only infinite love and infinite patience.
hollowpuma762 hollowpuma762 Active Member
190 messages
joined Feb 2015
#53 ·
Andrew Hayes8 said:Yes, I am inclined to agree.
The rest are just fragmented pieces.
However, how do you explain why certain expressions, manifestations, or experiences are so saturated with evil that they effectively harm both the individual and the whole?
What if something like human disease is an example of this?

You're looking for an answer to a question that's fundamentally flawed.

Evil, as humans interpret it, is just the byproduct of uncontrolled choice held by an undeveloped Human Being, a group, or an environment.

Illness? That’s just the result of neglect, carelessness, ignorance, and a total lack of responsibility toward the physical bodies of the Human Being.

Evolution utilizes intelligent Forces that influence the processes within human life.
When someone falls out of harmony, the Human Being finds themselves caught in the path of those very Forces through their own actions.

Think of it like this: you can surf a wave or sail on it, but if you lose control, you’re going to get smashed against the rocks.

If a person decides to run down a highway with their eyes blindfolded, ignoring the roar of engines and the blare of horns, and then gets hit by a semi-truck... well, the momentum of that truck isn't an "evil Force." It’s just that the Man chose to go against the Force he is subject to, and he’s being filtered out by the natural evolutionary process.
Jerry Bishop73 Jerry Bishop73 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2014
#54 ·
Matthew Evans said:A Being, when viewed as an absolute—since an absolute is essentially its own "whole"—is fundamentally incapable of being harmed. The only kind of "harm" that actually exists is what manifests as a lived experience. So, really, you can only "damage" the quality of a single experience. But even that isn't true damage; it’s just the potential of Idea and Choice unfolding through a "negative" manifestation from Unconscious Corp.

Look, when a Being faces the sensation of being "harmed," and they start feeling like someone else’s actions—or even just the very framework that defines them as a subject—have turned them into a "victim," it tells you something specific. It’s a sign that the Being is first and foremost Self-unaware. Beyond that, it shows they lack an understanding of the underlying principles and the actual mechanics by which Self-Being constructs its own experience.

So, if I’m feeling like a "victim" right now, it’s just a sign that I’m hitting the realization phase of an initial Idea. Here’s how it works: you start with a pure intention or a soul-level plan, you distort that intention, and then you mistake that distortion for reality itself. That twist in the original Idea manifests as nothing but negativity or negation in our actual experience. The only way we manage to warp an intention is by fully identifying with the subject. When we go all-in on the subject, our Will and our attention get sucked into that central point—into the subject's own reason. From there, everything else—every object, every event—is perceived as being "outside" of us. It becomes something external to our intellect, something that either serves our pleasure or poses a direct threat to our existence. In this state, a Being doesn't actually have the freedom of Idea and Choice regarding the possibilities life throws at them. Instead, they fall into a sort of Unconscious Corp state, merely reacting to whatever motive hits them the hardest. We call that "necessity," but it's really just a lack of perspective. At the same time, every report of an action taken in this little drama gets processed through that centralized mind. The subject takes those reports, filters them through their specific mental framework, and generates reactions designed to justify their interpretation of the whole process. In this headspace, a Being becomes purely emotional. As long as the projection aligns with their existing beliefs, they feel fine. But the moment the balance shifts—the moment they start fearing for their own survival—something that was once a close friend can instantly turn into a blood enemy.

When you look at an action report within a projection, you always end up facing the Being. It doesn't matter where that Being decides to set up its Center. But here’s the thing: that report only hits you as a "feeling" when the Being positions its center *above* the subject-object relationship projection. Now, don't confuse this with basic emotions. Emotions can be positive or negative, sure, but their purpose is different. Typical emotionality is just a defense mechanism—it's the mind trying to shield the Being from the "outside world" when things get uncomfortable. This feeling isn't about protection. Its sole purpose is to act as an instant red flag. When a negative feeling arises, it's a signal that the projection of the intended soul has become distorted. It means the Being has fallen headfirst into its own projection, identifying so deeply with the subject of the action that the distinction is lost. Once that happens, free choice is effectively dead.

In that scenario, the Being instantly pulls itself out of the subject position. It looks down at the entire subject-object projection from above—viewing it all as a single result of its own Idea and Choice. This shift drags the individual back into a state of consciousness where, within a timeless existence, they can actually make a new, conscious choice. A conscious choice is one where you understand the consequences; it’s the kind of manifestation where the Being feels a sense of harmony with everything else in existence. Any choice that results in chaos, or causes "harm" to someone or something, suggests that the Being has fallen into a deep sleep. It means those core ethical values—the ones an individual always carries within themselves—have been forgotten or suppressed. In their place, new values have been installed. These aren't true values; they are just logical conclusions built without any Absolute Knowledge present in the individual's Consciousness. They exist solely to serve the systems of belief that rule over a Being stuck in that lower state.

Illness is just what happens after an Unconscious Corp makes a choice—specifically, a long string of them. It’s a disruption in the balance of the body's energy field. These disruptions come from blockages, and those blockages? They’re just fear manifesting at a cellular level. But here’s the thing: just as sickness builds itself up, it can be dismantled. To get rid of illness, you have to focus on BALANCING THE ENERGY FIELD. Instead of chasing symptoms, you should have a routine for balancing that field—essentially, maintaining HEALTH. Balancing keeps the system running at its peak. When the body is operating optimally, energy flows through it without hitting any walls. That’s when a person feels Healthy; they don't feel their "physicality" as a burden, but rather use it as a seamless tool to interact with the world around them.

Pain, for instance, isn't actually a disease. I'm talking about initial pain. Pain is designed to be an alarm—a signal that a Being needs to instinctively trigger a period of BALANCING. It's a sign that a blockage has formed. It’s also a sign that we’ve neglected our energy field, perhaps for a long time or maybe never at all. It means our thoughts have convinced our cells that their survival is under threat. Fear is an active architect of these blockages; it tries to protect an isolated cell, but instead of shielding it, it causes the cell to withdraw from the rest of the organism. By choosing to shut down, it kills the natural flow of energy. When energy can't find its natural path from point A to point B, it tries to force an alternative route, creating a conflict between two energy directions—and that conflict is the pain itself. In that moment, the "person" needs to drop everything and immediately move toward balance. Balancing the energy field is true healing. Healing, by its very definition, is the process of returning closed cells to an open state. Through this balancing, cells that lost faith in the organism as a whole regain that lost trust. This "convincing" process takes anywhere from thirty seconds to a few minutes, and the results are measurable in terms of HEALTH. We'll get to that later.

Matthew Evans said:A Being, when viewed as an absolute—since an absolute is essentially its own "whole"—is fundamentally incapable of being harmed. The only kind of "harm" that actually exists is what manifests as a lived experience. So, really, you can only "damage" the quality of a single experience. But even that isn't true damage; it’s just the potential of Idea and Choice unfolding through a "negative" manifestation from Unconscious Corp.

Look, when a Being faces the sensation of being "harmed," and they start feeling like someone else’s actions—or even just the very framework that defines them as a subject—have turned them into a "victim," it tells you something specific. It’s a sign that the Being is first and foremost Self-unaware. Beyond that, it shows they lack an understanding of the underlying principles and the actual mechanics by which Self-Being constructs its own experience.

So, if I’m feeling like a "victim" right now, it’s just a sign that I’m hitting the realization phase of an initial Idea. Here’s how it works: you start with a pure intention or a soul-level plan, you distort that intention, and then you mistake that distortion for reality itself. That twist in the original Idea manifests as nothing but negativity or negation in our actual experience. The only way we manage to warp an intention is by fully identifying with the subject. When we go all-in on the subject, our Will and our attention get sucked into that central point—into the subject's own reason. From there, everything else—every object, every event—is perceived as being "outside" of us. It becomes something external to our intellect, something that either serves our pleasure or poses a direct threat to our existence. In this state, a Being doesn't actually have the freedom of Idea and Choice regarding the possibilities life throws at them. Instead, they fall into a sort of Unconscious Corp state, merely reacting to whatever motive hits them the hardest. We call that "necessity," but it's really just a lack of perspective. At the same time, every report of an action taken in this little drama gets processed through that centralized mind. The subject takes those reports, filters them through their specific mental framework, and generates reactions designed to justify their interpretation of the whole process. In this headspace, a Being becomes purely emotional. As long as the projection aligns with their existing beliefs, they feel fine. But the moment the balance shifts—the moment they start fearing for their own survival—something that was once a close friend can instantly turn into a blood enemy.

When you look at an action report within a projection, you always end up facing the Being. It doesn't matter where that Being decides to set up its Center. But here’s the thing: that report only hits you as a "feeling" when the Being positions its center *above* the subject-object relationship projection. Now, don't confuse this with basic emotions. Emotions can be positive or negative, sure, but their purpose is different. Typical emotionality is just a defense mechanism—it's the mind trying to shield the Being from the "outside world" when things get uncomfortable. This feeling isn't about protection. Its sole purpose is to act as an instant red flag. When a negative feeling arises, it's a signal that the projection of the intended soul has become distorted. It means the Being has fallen headfirst into its own projection, identifying so deeply with the subject of the action that the distinction is lost. Once that happens, free choice is effectively dead.

In that scenario, the Being instantly pulls itself out of the subject position. It looks down at the entire subject-object projection from above—viewing it all as a single result of its own Idea and Choice. This shift drags the individual back into a state of consciousness where, within a timeless existence, they can actually make a new, conscious choice. A conscious choice is one where you understand the consequences; it’s the kind of manifestation where the Being feels a sense of harmony with everything else in existence. Any choice that results in chaos, or causes "harm" to someone or something, suggests that the Being has fallen into a deep sleep. It means those core ethical values—the ones an individual always carries within themselves—have been forgotten or suppressed. In their place, new values have been installed. These aren't true values; they are just logical conclusions built without any Absolute Knowledge present in the individual's Consciousness. They exist solely to serve the systems of belief that rule over a Being stuck in that lower state.

Illness is just what happens after an Unconscious Corp makes a choice—specifically, a long string of them. It’s a disruption in the balance of the body's energy field. These disruptions come from blockages, and those blockages? They’re just fear manifesting at a cellular level. But here’s the thing: just as sickness builds itself up, it can be dismantled. To get rid of illness, you have to focus on BALANCING THE ENERGY FIELD. Instead of chasing symptoms, you should have a routine for balancing that field—essentially, maintaining HEALTH. Balancing keeps the system running at its peak. When the body is operating optimally, energy flows through it without hitting any walls. That’s when a person feels Healthy; they don't feel their "physicality" as a burden, but rather use it as a seamless tool to interact with the world around them.

Pain, for instance, isn't actually a disease. I'm talking about initial pain. Pain is designed to be an alarm—a signal that a Being needs to instinctively trigger a period of BALANCING. It's a sign that a blockage has formed. It’s also a sign that we’ve neglected our energy field, perhaps for a long time or maybe never at all. It means our thoughts have convinced our cells that their survival is under threat. Fear is an active architect of these blockages; it tries to protect an isolated cell, but instead of shielding it, it causes the cell to withdraw from the rest of the organism. By choosing to shut down, it kills the natural flow of energy. When energy can't find its natural path from point A to point B, it tries to force an alternative route, creating a conflict between two energy directions—and that conflict is the pain itself. In that moment, the "person" needs to drop everything and immediately move toward balance. Balancing the energy field is true healing. Healing, by its very definition, is the process of returning closed cells to an open state. Through this balancing, cells that lost faith in the organism as a whole regain that lost trust. This "convincing" process takes anywhere from thirty seconds to a few minutes, and the results are measurable in terms of HEALTH. We'll get to that later.

Matthew Evans said:A Being, when viewed as an absolute—since an absolute is essentially its own "whole"—is fundamentally incapable of being harmed. The only kind of "harm" that actually exists is what manifests as a lived experience. So, really, you can only "damage" the quality of a single experience. But even that isn't true damage; it’s just the potential of Idea and Choice unfolding through a "negative" manifestation from Unconscious Corp.

Look, when a Being faces the sensation of being "harmed," and they start feeling like someone else’s actions—or even just the very framework that defines them as a subject—have turned them into a "victim," it tells you something specific. It’s a sign that the Being is first and foremost Self-unaware. Beyond that, it shows they lack an understanding of the underlying principles and the actual mechanics by which Self-Being constructs its own experience.

So, if I’m feeling like a "victim" right now, it’s just a sign that I’m hitting the realization phase of an initial Idea. Here’s how it works: you start with a pure intention or a soul-level plan, you distort that intention, and then you mistake that distortion for reality itself. That twist in the original Idea manifests as nothing but negativity or negation in our actual experience. The only way we manage to warp an intention is by fully identifying with the subject. When we go all-in on the subject, our Will and our attention get sucked into that central point—into the subject's own reason. From there, everything else—every object, every event—is perceived as being "outside" of us. It becomes something external to our intellect, something that either serves our pleasure or poses a direct threat to our existence. In this state, a Being doesn't actually have the freedom of Idea and Choice regarding the possibilities life throws at them. Instead, they fall into a sort of Unconscious Corp state, merely reacting to whatever motive hits them the hardest. We call that "necessity," but it's really just a lack of perspective. At the same time, every report of an action taken in this little drama gets processed through that centralized mind. The subject takes those reports, filters them through their specific mental framework, and generates reactions designed to justify their interpretation of the whole process. In this headspace, a Being becomes purely emotional. As long as the projection aligns with their existing beliefs, they feel fine. But the moment the balance shifts—the moment they start fearing for their own survival—something that was once a close friend can instantly turn into a blood enemy.

When you look at an action report within a projection, you always end up facing the Being. It doesn't matter where that Being decides to set up its Center. But here’s the thing: that report only hits you as a "feeling" when the Being positions its center *above* the subject-object relationship projection. Now, don't confuse this with basic emotions. Emotions can be positive or negative, sure, but their purpose is different. Typical emotionality is just a defense mechanism—it's the mind trying to shield the Being from the "outside world" when things get uncomfortable. This feeling isn't about protection. Its sole purpose is to act as an instant red flag. When a negative feeling arises, it's a signal that the projection of the intended soul has become distorted. It means the Being has fallen headfirst into its own projection, identifying so deeply with the subject of the action that the distinction is lost. Once that happens, free choice is effectively dead.

In that scenario, the Being instantly pulls itself out of the subject position. It looks down at the entire subject-object projection from above—viewing it all as a single result of its own Idea and Choice. This shift drags the individual back into a state of consciousness where, within a timeless existence, they can actually make a new, conscious choice. A conscious choice is one where you understand the consequences; it’s the kind of manifestation where the Being feels a sense of harmony with everything else in existence. Any choice that results in chaos, or causes "harm" to someone or something, suggests that the Being has fallen into a deep sleep. It means those core ethical values—the ones an individual always carries within themselves—have been forgotten or suppressed. In their place, new values have been installed. These aren't true values; they are just logical conclusions built without any Absolute Knowledge present in the individual's Consciousness. They exist solely to serve the systems of belief that rule over a Being stuck in that lower state.

Illness is just what happens after an Unconscious Corp makes a choice—specifically, a long string of them. It’s a disruption in the balance of the body's energy field. These disruptions come from blockages, and those blockages? They’re just fear manifesting at a cellular level. But here’s the thing: just as sickness builds itself up, it can be dismantled. To get rid of illness, you have to focus on BALANCING THE ENERGY FIELD. Instead of chasing symptoms, you should have a routine for balancing that field—essentially, maintaining HEALTH. Balancing keeps the system running at its peak. When the body is operating optimally, energy flows through it without hitting any walls. That’s when a person feels Healthy; they don't feel their "physicality" as a burden, but rather use it as a seamless tool to interact with the world around them.

Pain, for instance, isn't actually a disease. I'm talking about initial pain. Pain is designed to be an alarm—a signal that a Being needs to instinctively trigger a period of BALANCING. It's a sign that a blockage has formed. It’s also a sign that we’ve neglected our energy field, perhaps for a long time or maybe never at all. It means our thoughts have convinced our cells that their survival is under threat. Fear is an active architect of these blockages; it tries to protect an isolated cell, but instead of shielding it, it causes the cell to withdraw from the rest of the organism. By choosing to shut down, it kills the natural flow of energy. When energy can't find its natural path from point A to point B, it tries to force an alternative route, creating a conflict between two energy directions—and that conflict is the pain itself. In that moment, the "person" needs to drop everything and immediately move toward balance. Balancing the energy field is true healing. Healing, by its very definition, is the process of returning closed cells to an open state. Through this balancing, cells that lost faith in the organism as a whole regain that lost trust. This "convincing" process takes anywhere from thirty seconds to a few minutes, and the results are measurable in terms of HEALTH. We'll get to that later.

How exactly do you perform this balancing of the energy field? I’ve asked this before, but I haven't received an answer. I am unsure if you simply forgot amidst the heat of the debate, or perhaps...
nimbleranger5 nimbleranger5 Member
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#55 ·
This has been such an incredibly interesting and high-quality discussion,
really hats off to everyone here for providing such beautiful and thorough explanations!

Just sitting here, dwelling in the silence between these words—it’s pure bliss. 🙂

@Matthew Evans 👍

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Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#56 ·
Matthew Evans said:

Before there was ever heaven or earth, there was Mind. Without Mind, nothing else can exist—there are no manifestations, period. In all honesty, Mind is the very first movement of the absolute. It’s the true beginning.

What’s unclear, silent, and empty—that void—is the constant background for everything that ever emerges within it or through it. Think of the sky, the earth, or anything else that takes shape; they all spring from this same stillness. That is the Mind. The Mind is present in every single shift, yet the Mind itself remains untouched by change. It acts as the medium for all transformation, facilitating every movement while appearing to evolve, though in reality, it stays exactly as it is. What actually changes are just the relationships between things within it—the endless variables, like an infinite set of equations constantly shifting their values.

So, when the Being within a person finally manages to break free from thought—from those fleeting appearances in the void or the manifestation of equations—what's left? You’re looking at an emptied Mind. There is nothing inside it. It’s just a state of total emptiness, facing nothing but the Mind itself, which is perceived only as that very void.

That isn't what God is.

God is experienced in the next stage of liberating your attention. Once you turn that focus back toward the self-observer—when your attention is finally pointed inward at the self—the emptiness begins to fall away. It just vanishes. In its place, the absolute emerges within the spirit. That’s when Being is experienced as God.

God equals absolute plus Consciousness. Knowledge-of-Self-absolute—or perhaps just the spirit of the absolute.

Yeah, like I just said—the Mind is the medium. It’s the mechanism, the matrix, and the cradle for everything that exists.

The "Thing" is just the sum of the I and the Mind.

So, here’s how it works: Every Knowledge-of-Self—that core "I" from the Center of Consciousness—has to project itself through the Mind to actually become an experience. You can't project anything without the Mind; it's the only tool we have for that. When that happens, it creates a "vibration" with its own specific frequency. It’s called a vibration because that direct, individual connection with the Mind is where the first consciousness-of-becoming-self takes place. It's essentially an exchange between two types of Knowledge-of-Self: the knowledge of your individual "I" and the knowledge of the other "I." In this setup, the Mind acts as the medium—the absolute container holding all other forms of Knowledge-of-Self within the self.

So, here’s the thing: Um is absolutely present within projected reality alongside every other projected I. It’s basically the backbone of the rest of the Self, making it possible for things to individualize through it and for its... through the realization of the rest of the Self (the subject-I + MIND + object-I). In this process, every single insight becomes its own thing—a specific, individualized, PERSONAL experience.

So, when a 'Man' empties his mind (or more accurately, when a Being does), everything goes quiet. The mental images of objects vanish, space itself disappears because there are no objects left to define it. What remains is a void. You become aware of that primal creation within the 'self,' but you haven't yet reached the true Self, the God-WHO-IS...the absolute.

Call him whatever you want. Manifestation unfolds within him; manifestation unfolds through him. He is the primary manifestation. Most people aren't clear on this, but he is commonly known as the MIND.

Infinity is just a trait of the represented Mind—a characteristic of projected emptiness. You can't put boundaries on it.

Unlike the infinite Mind, the absolute is finite—it is God.

I don't agree with that at all. See, being all-encompassing means you encompass EVERYTHING. That isn't a "beginning"; it’s an attribute of the spirit that exists at the start, the middle, and the end. If we are suggesting that the Mind is a projection of the absolute personality, then yes, the Mind encompasses the rest of the projected Self within itself. I say *projected* Self, because there is also a non-projected, unmanifested Self which is the spirit of the absolute. But the Mind, by its nature, encompasses every phenomenon during manifestation. All those phenomena and manifestations constitute the Universe.

The Mind is a projection of the absolute personality, which means it leaves out other characteristics of the absolute; grandeur and impersonality.
The single Mind is the manifestation of the individual absolute personality, whereas all Minds (of every universe) are the manifestation of the grandeur of the absolute. So, every single "I" within the Self acts as the MIND to the rest of the projected Self.

When the absolute is experienced as grandiose, it isn't experienced as just one Mind containing a single universe; rather, it is experienced as all Minds and all their universes simultaneously—as the various manifestations of all absolute personalities.

When the absolute is experienced as an impersonal manifestation, then it is experienced as the Multiverse—the complete manifestation of all universes combined.

That's just a human perspective. The truth is that every "thing" possesses its own Mind. By that logic, everything would be considered massive, not just those four specific examples mentioned.

Everything that comes to be, everything that evolves and grows, follows the blueprint of that initial creation—the Tao.


The mind is just a projection. Absolute personalities. His "nature" is absolute.

Essential and useful treatises. The fundamentals. 👍
Matthew Evans Matthew Evans MemberOP
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#57 ·
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Pain, sickness, treatment, healing, and the METHOD OF HEALING (in short):

Most people—living without any real > or a way to maintain their own health—just look for a quick FIX that comes from the outside. They run to doctors, grab Aspirin, or lean on whatever else modern Big Pharma churns out, which truly DOES NOT HEAL
. Only after they’ve lost all faith in the MDs and those endless pharmaceutical cocktails being pushed by doctors (usually just for profit) do they go looking for "healers" as a final Hail Mary. If all these pills, physicians, and healers could actually "cure" the body, what exactly are they treating when we swallow those substances or surrender ourselves to a doctor or a "healer"?
It is FAITH that heals.

Healing is really nothing more than an attempt to return the energetic system to its normal operating state—a state where the system itself, once sufficiently supported (convinced), takes over the rest of the work by relying on the Self in self. Until then, the system can't see a way to reclaim its own efficient healing power (immunity) because its energy field has already undergone a frequency transformation occurring within the cells. This internal cellular struggle reflects destructively onto the organism, causing the physical condition to deteriorate. The outcome of this battle depends entirely on the balance between the cells tasked with defending the system and those that have succumbed to the influence of sickness. Naturally, everything formed on the inside eventually manifests on the outside. But by the time something becomes visible externally... it means the "sickness" has already taken hold. In that state, the body has manifested DISEASE as a material change within itself, meaning it has already crossed the line of what is "permissible." At that point, most "patients," in their lack of awareness, seek help from the outside... first from doctors, and only then from "healers" (and even then, only as a last resort, a desperate attempt at salvation)...
The > about sickness is that the individual, in their ignorance of self, allowed > to develop within their energy field. Essentially, the body's cells picked up the frequency of those vibrations (fear) that triggered the initial change. Since they neither knew nor heard how to prevent the development of disease (because no one ever taught them and they haven't reached that realization themselves), they bypassed the first messengers (warnings) of the disturbance (the first pains) as if those warnings never existed. From there, every disturbed cell becomes a vibrator of belief (a frequency transmitter) for the vibration it absorbed, spreading the > through the system. Eventually, once the > reaches proportions with enough mass and gravity to exist as isolated entities—with frequencies distinct from the body's frequency—the energy of the > becomes stronger than the surrounding vibrations in the energy field. That is when a simple disturbance easily escalates into full-blown disease. By then, it is too late for a simple >. But of course, that isn't the end of life, provided the balance of the energy field is returned to normal.

When is disease removed most effectively?

When the first traces of sickness appear in your energy field.

How do we recognize them?

Consciousness made an effort here; it gave us the simplest mechanism for recognizing the first signs of a disturbance. I say disturbance, because a disturbance in the energy field is NOT YET DISEASE. PAIN is the true messenger of disturbance. The first, smallest pain is the precursor to disease. It doesn't mean every pain will escalate into illness (that's why we have our energy field's immune system, which balances small disturbances on its own). But regardless of whether our immune system is in good shape or not, every noticed pain should instantly serve as an ALARM—a wake-up call telling us that the state of our projection has warped. Pain is truly a reminder, pointing back to everything I wrote above, and it should lead you, without hesitation, to stop (no matter what you are doing) and employ the method that follows. If you are working, stop what you are doing and balance your energy field immediately, wherever you are. If you are driving a car... pull over, park, and balance your energy field at the first opportunity. Balancing costs nothing. We all possess the power and plenty of time to use this gift of our nature, but few of us even realize we have it.

BALANCING THE ENERGY FIELD

Method:
Close your eyes. Take a deep breath, let it out—do this three or four times until you feel your mind finally settle down. Once you hit that point, look upward toward your third eye (somewhere above and between your eyebrows). While keeping both physical eyes directed upward, shift your focus to that "third eye" spot. Try to hold your focus right in the center of your field of vision, yet simultaneously take in everything within your peripheral view at once. A subtle, steady light-energy should begin to emerge in front of you, forming a circle or sphere that sits faintly against the darkness at the edges of your sight. Within this circle, a concentrated pocket of energy will appear, and this specific part will start rising toward the crown of your head on its own. Let it rise. When it does, use your mind to guide that ball of energy—or ring, however you perceive it—down through your head, neck, shoulders, torso, pelvis, legs, and feet, letting it flow out through your toes and into the ether. (Throughout this whole thing, if it helps, offer some gratitude to your Higher Consciousness, God, the universe, or whatever entity you feel connected to... it really makes a difference)
(To get a better handle on how to move this subtle energy through your field, think of an MRI scanner or a high-tech medical scan; imagine your body is being scanned by a ring positioned around you. As you pass that ring "from head to toe," visualize it as a visible light emanating from the scanner, passing through your body and having the power to record every single cell in the plane it travels through).
As the energy moves through your field, you'll feel waves. Your cells will vibrate as the energy passes through them, creating a sensation of fizzing or even chills. That’s the sign you’re doing it right—that you actually believe in what you're doing, that you are fully present in your body and with that energy, which is why you can feel it. Repeat this process until the energy of the ball (the "ring") and the energy of your own field merge into one, becoming indistinguishable. At that point, the process is complete; the energy field is balanced and the body is healed.


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This should be done routinely, every morning when you wake up and every night before you sleep. This routine is how we keep the body in a state of healing.

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Jerry Bishop73 Jerry Bishop73 Newcomer
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#58 ·
Much appreciated for the response.
You see, there have been moments where I found myself intuitively directing my focus—mentally speaking—upward, sensing a certain space that felt like an extension of myself; a place where everything could finally be brought into order. In those instances, my primary aim was simply to reach a state of emptiness, to find that quiet zero point within.
Betty Ramos Betty Ramos Member
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#59 ·
Matthew Evans said:"Quote:"

It’s actually pretty simple: Once you finally return to the Source—once you actually wake up—you realize you are God.
When you finally cycle back from that state and reintegrate into experience—let's say, you’re just an ordinary guy again—you aren't starting from scratch. You emerge as someone with an upgraded awareness of the Self-God. It’s a heightened state of being that you keep sharp, all thanks to that specific process of pulling your attention back toward the Self-absolute.

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A bit more context:

First, you need the hunger to know, followed by the groundwork—basically, training the Being’s will and attention to slowly turn toward the Self. But when I say "toward the Self," I’m talking about that thing which can never be perceived through subjective imagery. I mean the true I. Once a Being is sufficiently prepared, the enlightenment of the absolute (the Self) happens exactly when you least expect it. Why? Because that's the only time you're actually free from striving. Every attempt at striving is just an exercise in concentrating attention through the intellect. You can't perceive something that doesn't vibrate using mere logic. As long as you remain conscious of the object you're chasing—as long as you're thinking and focusing on a vibrating thought—enlightenment won't happen. It means you have to be ready to voluntarily surrender everything that makes you a distinct creature, including Consciousness itself. This doesn't imply that, as a Being, you are totally unaware of what you're trying to achieve. Quite the opposite; you've simply placed your intention in the hands of the Self-God. Even before enlightenment, you've already had intuitive flashes of Consciousness (the spirit of the absolute), including glimpses of that "thing" you're searching for. But you could never truly conceptualize it; your intellect just couldn't grasp the absolute. This preparation is essentially an intuitive education in how to surrender unconditionally, placing total trust in that absolute spirit that has been feeding you instructions until now. By developing intuition, you arrive at inevitable Knowledge, which allows you to surrender with confidence. The path to total surrender is the path to total trust—which leads to an absolute freedom from the fear of loss, from death, and from the terror of non-existence. Through this kind of spiritual self-education, you become calm and composed, yet still driven by the desire for total Self-knowledge, ready to accept whatever Consciousness decides to offer you. When you are fully surrendered to Consciousness, that is the moment all barriers dissolve and the spirit of the creature returns to the absolute spirit. Truly, that is when the Being, through a will that is already surrendered to Consciousness, shifts its attention away from the projection of experience—away from the subject's intellect—and onto the absolute itself: onto what remains when the projection is "switched off." Onto the true Self.

It’s pretty simple, really. When a Being directs its entire focus inward toward the self—toward the absolute—that absolute becomes illuminated by an absolute spirit. That reflection of what truly is merges with the thing itself. In that moment, that initial core of what exists (the absolute) and the absolute spirit (Consciousness) become one single, absolute unit of Self-knowledge.

Look, I’m telling you, it all comes down to the Self-absolute. Think about it: if Knowledge itself is absolute, then that Absolute is absolute too. That means every single bit of individual Self-knowledge—which is really just a reflection of the quality of the absolute—acts as a container for every other piece of Self-knowledge out there. In this kind of absolute relationship, the Being becomes God. Once consciousness turns inward and excludes unconsciousness, the human spirit as we know it simply ceases to exist. It has to happen that way for the Source to reveal itself. At that point, the Being isn't some "creature" anymore; it's become the Self-absolute, or God.

If God is the absolute—the one who truly knows the Self—then that Knowledge contains everything necessary for what *is* to actually exist. It’s all there, sitting in that pool of potential. Within that same Consciousness, everything is already known. We're talking total Self-knowledge: every quality of the absolute, the mechanics of projection, the principles of existence, and pretty much anything else you could possibly wrap your head around. But here’s the thing: Knowledge isn't the manifestation itself. Because the Being understands this, it pulls its attention and will back into an individual projection. It carries that Knowledge along, expanding the spirit of creation and trying to fulfill that primal drive—the original intention of the soul to realize itself. That’s why that spiritual Knowledge gets funneled down into the human intellect. It has to be processed and understood so it can actually be put to work, attempting to refine reality until it mirrors the purest expression of the soul.

I find myself wondering... is there actually a decision involved here? A sort of human "consent" to enter into Knowledge? We all talk about liberation or enlightenment, but (assuming such a thing exists) the question is how many people right now—here in this room—would uncompromisingly agree, no matter the cost, to "surrender" to it all. If they even had the choice, of course. It seems to me that most of us, as long as life is good and we're doing alright, just enjoy our little illusion—we read the books, we daydream... we'd love actual liberation or enlightenment, sure, but maybe tomorrow, or next year, or some fine day down the road. Then, I get the impression, the system collapses, the illusion loses its vibrant colors or completely dissolves to reveal its true illusory face, just so we might finally turn back to the self... and if we don't turn back, the cycle just repeats. Is there any mention of a consent, a surrender, a conscious "Thy will be done"—something truly decisive? Or does it all just happen on its own? Does "Consciousness" shape a decision, deciding to wake up, and then the person wakes up—willingly or not—pouring themselves into trust until they seemingly, voluntarily, "consent"? Or perhaps they never truly consent at all? Or maybe there is neither a decision nor a person 🙂?
Andrew Price3 Andrew Price3 Member
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#60 ·
Yes, solely from the self. There is only the Process. Every decision you make, every awakening, every "vicious cycle," every illusion you cling to—it all belongs to the Process. It is integrated into the Process. It is the Process itself.

Your physical body alone is the Process—the process of thinning and thickening the vibration of physical-metaphysical matter at the quantum level across various frequencies... higher or lower. Depending on the... Process. For truth, the Process must complete its work. The Process has nothing else to do but move forward—with "you" or without "you."

It is up to "you" to cease being "you." But even that isn't up to "you"—the Process will handle that. And it is happening right now.

Therefore, whatever you do, you are doing the PROCESS. Because there is nothing the Process is not "involved" in.

We are all Gods.

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