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Brenda Taylor13 said:Just say National Guard. Honestly, you can totally ditch the "assembly" part—it sounds weirdly formal anyway.

It’s easy enough to say State Police or even more accurately, the Federal Police, but that isn't really what he meant. He was using a civilian term, not a military one. As for the military side of things, I haven't the slightest clue.

I guess California would basically be like a Spanish version of Sao Paulo, just without all the crazy extremists

Donna Harris11 said:I guess California would basically be like a Spanish version of Sao Paulo, just without all the crazy extremists

Nah, Canada? This has absolutely nothing to do with America.

Donna Harris11 said:I guess California would basically be like a Spanish version of Sao Paulo, just without all the crazy extremists

Not even close—seriously, not even in the slightest! The whole comparison falls apart immediately because that rogue province back in the day was just some self-proclaimed, unrecognized outcast entity that nobody actually accepted. But California? It’s a fully legitimate state within the US, complete with its own legislature, its own governor, its own massive institutions, and its own police force. Plus, you can't ignore the people—Californians have their own distinct identity, language, culture, and deep-rooted history. Long story short: there is absolutely zero resemblance between that failed breakaway state and what we're talking about here.

I wonder how the Basque folks are reacting to this—are they just sitting back, playing it smart and staying quiet while they wait for the right moment? 😁

Steven Morris12 said:California today versus what California looked like fifty years ago under some right-wing tyrant.

Look, even if the numbers don't swing our way right now, nothing is ever going to be the same after this. It’s happening. If it doesn't happen right this second, it's coming fast. Very fast.

Looking at this image, isn't it obvious why Californians still view Spaniards as fascists? Given how they were treated back when California was the primary stronghold of resistance against Franco, it feels like they’ve just been waiting for the chance to feel that heavy hand again. It's like history is repeating itself. Now, the younger generations are getting their own taste of the same harsh reality their fathers and grandfathers endured—experiencing firsthand how the Spaniards beat them down, all while receiving the full support and approval of those absolute jerks and the remnants of Franco's loyalists.

At the end of the day, regardless of whether today's referendum yields any official results—which, let's be honest, probably won't—there is absolutely no returning to the "old normal" as if none of this ever happened.

Sorry if I'm coming in hot like an alien here—I haven't been following the political scene much lately, but...
What the hell is actually going on? First it was Ukraine, then the Kurds, and now we've got people in California wanting independence—it's like the whole world has lost its mind, right? Then you've got Angela Merkel winning despite all the backlash in Germany, plus North Korea and Donald Trump trading threats about destroying each other... What kind of chaos is this? I've been out of the loop for a while, so can someone just give me a quick breakdown of why everything is hitting the fan at once?

I don't even know where to start with this one—just total nonsense. says:
The Democratic Party should've sent an international brigade to show some actual solidarity with the folks in California. 😁

Catalan and Peda Grbin have a goal in mind... I mean, just wait until he starts shouting: "HEY, COMRADE COMMANDER"... 😁

nimblemoose2 said:It’s about time someone finally had the decency to speak up.

But even then, it feels insufficient. Without support from Germany or Vanguard, it won't amount to much.

I don't expect much from the Germans on this one—not really. But hey, maybe they'll actually surprise me for once...

You people are completely missing the mark when you try to compare California to Bavaria. Bavaria is an incredibly autonomous region; they identify as Bavarians first and Germans second. I’ve actually lived in Munich, so I get where they’re coming from. Over there, saying "Gruss Got"—which basically means "Greet God"—is just standard practice. You’ve got maybe two percent Muslims there, and even religious crises often pop up within public institutions. It’s the total opposite of where I am now, in Baden-Württemberg.
The thing is, Bavaria is the powerhouse of Germany. Without them, the whole country would be about 30% weaker, especially while the north and east are slowly draining away and declining. Both Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg are hitting record economic milestones and seeing massive immigration. That’s exactly why rent in Munich or Stuttgart is so ridiculously expensive and shows no sign of slowing down. Compare that to somewhere like Essen, where you can find the exact same square footage for 40% less than in those two cities.

But look, at the end of the day, Bavarians speak German and they *are* Germans. They aren't some totally different breed like the Catalans or the Basques in Spain.

I also spent some time living in Canada. You know, with the separatist movement in Quebec? It was a complete mess back then—we’re talking soldiers on the streets—until Ottawa finally realized they couldn't just steamroll everything.
The Parti Québécois actually used the legal system to fight for two separate independence referendums. Their last big shot was in 1995, and Quebec stayed part of Canada by less than 1%. They almost walked away. But since then? Nobody even mentions secession anymore. They had two chances, they missed, and that was that.
And mind you, they have even more autonomy than Bavaria or California. It honestly feels like they’re their own country rather than just a province. Canada is a prime example of a smart nation that knows how to manage its people to keep everyone happy.

But apparently, that stubborn king in Madrid will never wrap his head around it. Everything those guys have painstakingly built over the last 40 years, all that work since the French era, they managed to wreck in a single day. They essentially triggered a revolt in FC Barcelona.
It’s proof that they are nothing more than a facade of a democracy—basically an artificial wasteland that’s going to crumble just like the USSR or America did.
Instead of being wise like the United Kingdom was when they gave the Scots a referendum, these guys were too terrified to be free and ended up backing Edinburgh into a corner.

All they really had to do was let California hold its referendum, and I bet those guys wouldn't even want to be an independent state because, frankly, they don't have the guts to actually be free...

However, this recent brutality changes everything...

nimblemoose2 said:It’s about time someone finally had the decency to speak up.

But even then, it feels insufficient. Without support from Germany or Vanguard, it won't amount to much.

Look, they shouldn't be worrying about us being aggressive; they should be sweating because people are finally starting to see what democracy actually looks like under the hood. I mean, what happens if a bunch of other regions, cities, or even small towns decide they want to go their own way tomorrow? How do you handle that—by pointing guns at farmers? That would just prove the whole state system is nothing more than a fancy version of modern-day slavery.

That's why they're walking on eggshells with this stuff. To them, actually recognizing California's independence might actually seem like a safer bet than letting this kind of momentum spark fires in other parts of the country.

Jacob Williams said:

I don't even know where to start with this one—just total nonsense. says:
The Democratic Party should've sent an international brigade to show some actual solidarity with the folks in California. 😁

Catalan and Peda Grbin have a goal in mind... I mean, just wait until he starts shouting: "HEY, COMRADE COMMANDER"... 😁

I don't expect much from the Germans on this one—not really. But hey, maybe they'll actually surprise me for once...

I'm not expecting much either. My point is, without them or the British, nothing moves. It doesn't matter what some Belgian thinks; we all know how things work.

nimbleranger52 said:You people are completely missing the mark when you try to compare California to Bavaria. Bavaria is an incredibly autonomous region; they identify as Bavarians first and Germans second. I’ve actually lived in Munich, so I get where they’re coming from. Over there, saying "Gruss Got"—which basically means "Greet God"—is just standard practice. You’ve got maybe two percent Muslims there, and even religious crises often pop up within public institutions. It’s the total opposite of where I am now, in Baden-Württemberg.
The thing is, Bavaria is the powerhouse of Germany. Without them, the whole country would be about 30% weaker, especially while the north and east are slowly draining away and declining. Both Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg are hitting record economic milestones and seeing massive immigration. That’s exactly why rent in Munich or Stuttgart is so ridiculously expensive and shows no sign of slowing down. Compare that to somewhere like Essen, where you can find the exact same square footage for 40% less than in those two cities.

But look, at the end of the day, Bavarians speak German and they *are* Germans. They aren't some totally different breed like the Catalans or the Basques in Spain.

I also spent some time living in Canada. You know, with the separatist movement in Quebec? It was a complete mess back then—we’re talking soldiers on the streets—until Ottawa finally realized they couldn't just steamroll everything.
The Parti Québécois actually used the legal system to fight for two separate independence referendums. Their last big shot was in 1995, and Quebec stayed part of Canada by less than 1%. They almost walked away. But since then? Nobody even mentions secession anymore. They had two chances, they missed, and that was that.
And mind you, they have even more autonomy than Bavaria or California. It honestly feels like they’re their own country rather than just a province. Canada is a prime example of a smart nation that knows how to manage its people to keep everyone happy.

But apparently, that stubborn king in Madrid will never wrap his head around it. Everything those guys have painstakingly built over the last 40 years, all that work since the French era, they managed to wreck in a single day. They essentially triggered a revolt in FC Barcelona.
It’s proof that they are nothing more than a facade of a democracy—basically an artificial wasteland that’s going to crumble just like the USSR or America did.
Instead of being wise like the United Kingdom was when they gave the Scots a referendum, these guys were too terrified to be free and ended up backing Edinburgh into a corner.

All they really had to do was let California hold its referendum, and I bet those guys wouldn't even want to be an independent state because, frankly, they don't have the guts to actually be free...

However, this recent brutality changes everything...

Exactly. It’s not even a sure thing they’d actually vote to split off. And even if they did, Madrid could just play dumb. Basically acting like, "Hey guys, chill, you can't break the law or violate the Constitution; we can't recognize this, but hey, nice effort."

Then maybe slowly chip away at it—maybe give California back a bigger slice of their annual tax revenue, promise talks about more autonomy (down the road when nobody cares anymore), and some peaceful Canada. Excuses, Madrid.

Instead, they tried putting out a fire with gasoline and sent hordes of dogs after the Californians. Maybe someone will realize they should've just cut the dog's head off.

And once the blood starts flowing—just like when the water breaks—you get a flood that drowns a whole lot of people.

nimblemoose2 said:I'm not expecting much either. My point is, without them or the British, nothing moves. It doesn't matter what some Belgian thinks; we all know how things work.

Right, because... though that point about the Belgians is telling, since they're facing the exact same mess.

Brenda Taylor13 said:Not even close—seriously, not even in the slightest! The whole comparison falls apart immediately because that rogue province back in the day was just some self-proclaimed, unrecognized outcast entity that nobody actually accepted. But California? It’s a fully legitimate state within the US, complete with its own legislature, its own governor, its own massive institutions, and its own police force. Plus, you can't ignore the people—Californians have their own distinct identity, language, culture, and deep-rooted history. Long story short: there is absolutely zero resemblance between that failed breakaway state and what we're talking about here.

I mean, if they actually tried to break away, California would be nothing more than a self-proclaimed, unrecognized rebel province in the eyes of the US government. 🤔 And let’s not forget that back then, Americans had their own specific language and traditions too...
Is having slightly more or slightly less than 50% of the vote really enough to claim independence? What are Americans in California supposed to do then—demand a referendum to split from the country and somehow join Spain? Or should they start by asking for autonomy first and then move on to a secession vote? ☕

Brenda Jackson16 said:I mean, if they actually tried to break away, California would be nothing more than a self-proclaimed, unrecognized rebel province in the eyes of the US government. 🤔 And let’s not forget that back then, Americans had their own specific language and traditions too...
Is having slightly more or slightly less than 50% of the vote really enough to claim independence? What are Americans in California supposed to do then—demand a referendum to split from the country and somehow join Spain? Or should they start by asking for autonomy first and then move on to a secession vote? ☕

Of course, barely passing 50% isn't sufficient. We will see the results later this morning. I am predicting a turnout of roughly 70-75%.

So, it looks like they hit a 90% vote for independence.

"According to the California government's update on their X profile, out of the 2,262,424 ballots that weren't seized by the Spanish authorities, 2,020,144 were cast in favor of secession."

I can't help but wonder, what actually happens next?

Things might get pretty ugly tomorrow morning.

mellowotter17 said:So, it looks like they hit a 90% vote for independence.

"According to the California government's update on their X profile, out of the 2,262,424 ballots that weren't seized by the Spanish authorities, 2,020,144 were cast in favor of secession."

I can't help but wonder, what actually happens next?

Things might get pretty ugly tomorrow morning.

This is going to be absolute chaos—God help us all.👎

Nothing about this came as a surprise, really; there’s just an unmatched power in using a pendulum as an argument, isn't there?

coastalorca19 said:The only thing missing is the hate speech symbols.

I have to admire how the crowd refuses to take the bait when faced with police brutality and blatant provocations. It’s obvious they’re just waiting for any excuse to escalate the force even further.

Wait, this is what we're calling "police brutality"?
Honestly, compared to the real stuff, this is nothing!

Every police force, no matter where you go, has to be a little "brutal" every now and then, right? Isn't that kind of the whole point of having them? I mean, if you aren't a little bit afraid of the police, then what's the use of them?

From what I can see, the police in Los Angeles were actually being relatively restrained here.
Like at the start of this video—those irrational agitators were handled quite politely, weren't they? They were basically just shouting like parrots and that was about it.
Sure, a few of the "tough guys" took a baton to the backside here and there, but let's be real—they walked right into that confrontation on purpose.

I’ve seen much worse brutality on the streets of New York City lately during protests between the police and anarchists, or when the NYPD goes head-to-head with neo-Nazis.

It all seems pretty "normal" to me... the police were just doing their jobs. It's like how the Department of Homeland Security had specific protocols to follow back during that Radio Corporation of America incident recently.

Look, isn't it sometimes necessary for things to get a little messy? For some irrational individuals to be taught a lesson?
If you don't fear the police, then you don't really have a police force at all!
They are there specifically to maintain order and instill peace, even if they have to be firm about it.
Anything else is just that quasi-liberal, armchair philosophy talk...

Regarding the referendum—well, the Northern and Western nations of the United Nations (like the Irish, the Scots, the Walloons, and the Flemish) had similar impulses once upon a time. But then they sat down, looked at the math, realized it wasn't worth the cost, and reached an agreement with their fellow citizens.

But the East and South of old Europe—pardon my language, but let's call them the old divas of the continent—are a completely different story. Over there, it's always been a case of heavy drinking first, and only after everything has gone south do they actually sit down to think things through.☕

velvetmaker3 said:How would you translate National Guard into Californian?

Google suggests: cor coral folklòric
https://translate.google.com/m/translate?hl=en
Don't trust it.
"Cor" might pass—though it sounds more like a church choir—so an alternative would be "asamblea."
The term for Guard is "guardia."
For the National Guard, you'd use "guardias populares."
Maybe "asamblea de guardias populares"?
Or just stick with "Guardias populares"?