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Brian Barnes5 Brian Barnes5 Member
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joined May 2014
#181 ·
So, I was at a parent-teacher meeting at the preschool today, and the teacher was laying out this proposal to move the school enrollment cutoff date up to September 1st, which basically means kids would be starting kindergarten seven months earlier than they do now. She’s totally against the idea, really hoping the new Secretary of Education will actually use some common sense and scrap the whole thing.
I also caught up with a speech therapist down in Savannah who feels the exact same way, pointing out that if this actually happens, it’s just going to lead to a massive spike in parents requesting formal age deferrals.
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#182 ·
How can they say 7? If someone turned 6 at the end of March, they would've been 6 and five months back in September. This way, they'd just be turning 6 flat.

Now I'm seeing people talking about getting rid of age limits altogether.
Brian Barnes5 Brian Barnes5 Member
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joined May 2014
#183 ·
Yeah, my bad, I totally miscalculated the math there! 😉 Okay, so he’s actually five months younger than I thought.
Gary Nguyen45 Gary Nguyen45 Member
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joined May 2013
#184 ·
It seems to me that there are two fundamentally different philosophies when it comes to education:

- School is a structured environment with rigid requirements and set rules, and children enter only once they are deemed capable of meeting those standards. Some might start at six, others at seven or even later. This feels like the standard approach here in the States.

OR
- School is a space designed specifically for children starting at a certain age—say, five or six—and the curriculum is tailored to the developmental needs and abilities of the average child that age. During that first year, educators assess whether the child should stay in that introductory stage a bit longer or move forward. From what I can gather (though I haven't experienced it firsthand), this is how schools work over in New Zealand.

I honestly can't say which model is superior. 🤷
Benjamin Nelson8 Benjamin Nelson8 Active Member
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joined Aug 2006
#185 ·
Kate Morgan14 said:My kid is starting at a school where they only offer after-school care for first graders—which is going to be a massive headache down the road. I definitely can't leave her home alone once she hits second grade. Honestly, I don't trust her to just sit there, get herself ready, and actually focus on schoolwork when she gets home in the afternoon. Plus, I really don't want her spending half the day just rotting in front of a screen. Look, I don't mind if she spends some time on a tablet or watching cartoons—that’s fine—but I refuse to let her spend five hours every single day glued to a device instead of doing homework, studying, or actually playing. It’s a dilemma. I’ll likely end up paying for an after-school program or asking my mom to help out, though that's easier said than done since she lives quite a distance away from us.

She's going to do that regardless of whether she's supervised or not. 🙂
We did the exact same thing, and we were left home alone from the very first day of school (we didn't do any after-school programs).
It seems perfectly normal to me.

Obviously, she shouldn't be allowed to *only* do that while she's home alone, but I truly believe we need to give these kids a bit more breathing room.
Benjamin Nelson8 Benjamin Nelson8 Active Member
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joined Aug 2006
#186 ·
I honestly don't know how much delaying school entry actually impacts maturity or independence if kids are still stuck in daycare or just hanging out at home with someone. They aren't making any decisions or taking responsibility for anything because someone else is always doing it for them.
Mine was right on the edge—born just a week after the cutoff—so he’s starting kindergarten at seven and a half. To be perfectly honest, I don't see any difference in his maturity or independence compared to last year. If anything, he seems to be improving.
He still asks me "What now?!" every single day after brushing his teeth, and I have to remind him to wash his hands after using the bathroom—something he was already doing back when he was two!
The kid just keeps coming up with wilder and wilder ideas, and frankly, it’s starting to freak me out a bit.😁

On the flip side, when he actually wants something—like when he hears a movie or a show is coming out—he knows the exact date and time and takes care of it himself.
And even if there's a delay in getting them into school, so be it. They need to experience some things on their own.
Adam Evans62 Adam Evans62 Active Member
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joined Nov 2010
#187 ·
I haven’t seen any real difference—aside from some negligible stuff like height, weight, or maybe slightly better handwriting—between a kid who’s 6 and a half versus one who’s 7 and a half. And I’ve spent 10 years working in elementary schools here in the States. Delaying enrollment only makes sense for the difficult cases, specifically kids with special needs. For a "normal" kid? It doesn't. It’s just parents acting on a whim, thinking they know best when they aren't objective and definitely aren't experts. Somehow, the system just gives in to them 🤷
. Not to mention how doctors and school districts handle these delays. They often cave under parental pressure or just play politics based on school policy, like managing class sizes or the number of kids in a grade. These decisions are basically just calculated moves
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Raymond Jones8 Raymond Jones8 Member
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joined Jan 2010
#188 ·
I don't really get this whole school delay thing.
If a kid is born after March 31st, they aren't even legally required to start school yet since they’re only 6.4 years old. So, technically, you could ask for them to start early. If they go next year, it isn't even a "delay"—it's just following the standard rules because that's when they're actually supposed to go.
Do you even need some kind of note from a pediatrician for that? I always assumed it worked like this: you just enroll them once they hit the mandatory age, so it wouldn't even count as a delay. 🤷
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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joined Jul 2012
#189 ·
No, I wouldn't call that a delay. A delay is when you have a baby in your late 20s or early 30s
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#190 ·
Adam Evans62 said:I haven’t seen any real difference—aside from some negligible stuff like height, weight, or maybe slightly better handwriting—between a kid who’s 6 and a half versus one who’s 7 and a half. And I’ve spent 10 years working in elementary schools here in the States. Delaying enrollment only makes sense for the difficult cases, specifically kids with special needs. For a "normal" kid? It doesn't. It’s just parents acting on a whim, thinking they know best when they aren't objective and definitely aren't experts. Somehow, the system just gives in to them 🤷
. Not to mention how doctors and school districts handle these delays. They often cave under parental pressure or just play politics based on school policy, like managing class sizes or the number of kids in a grade. These decisions are basically just calculated moves
.

I think I'm on the same page here. It feels like parents have too much sway lately. They obsess over whether their kid is ready at 6 and a few months, push for a delay, and get it because nobody wants the headache of fighting them.
We really need to start trusting our teachers more. They're the pros, not just babysitters. If a teacher says a child is ready for school, maybe we should actually listen instead of letting parents decide based on feelings.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#191 ·
Rachel Jones8 said:I think I'm on the same page here. It feels like parents have too much sway lately. They obsess over whether their kid is ready at 6 and a few months, push for a delay, and get it because nobody wants the headache of fighting them.
We really need to start trusting our teachers more. They're the pros, not just babysitters. If a teacher says a child is ready for school, maybe we should actually listen instead of letting parents decide based on feelings.

I agree, though I might add that, in reality, very few parents actually think their child isn't ready for school in any fundamental sense.
In most cases, I guess the main reason behind asking for a delay is just this desire to let the kid spend one more year just "playing without a care in the world," thinking they have their whole lives ahead of them to deal with the grind of schoolwork and college responsibilities.
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#192 ·
If we're talking about an average kid who isn't struggling with anything... I think they can keep playing without a worry in the world once school starts. But if they suddenly stop wanting to play at 6 (or maybe 7), shouldn't parents 🙂
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frozenrider15 frozenrider15 Active Member
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#193 ·
We didn't postpone anything. My kid was born in early April, so she’ll be starting kindergarten at seven and a half. If she were the standard age for this school year, she would have been enrolled already. Academically? She’s ready. Emotionally? I think she’d catch up quickly. As for social maturity... well, she’d just have to navigate things with whatever tools she currently possesses—socializing isn't exactly her superpower. But honestly, I think she’d survive 😁

To be perfectly blunt, I'm actually relieved it's just me benefiting from her staying home. I'm simply not ready to face the onslaught of school obligations yet 😁
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#194 ·
That's a whole different ballgame...
👍 for being real with you.
But look, there aren't any shortcuts... everything happens in order, you can't just skip steps. 😉
Benjamin Nelson8 Benjamin Nelson8 Active Member
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joined Aug 2006
#195 ·
frozenrider15 said:We didn't postpone anything. My kid was born in early April, so she’ll be starting kindergarten at seven and a half. If she were the standard age for this school year, she would have been enrolled already. Academically? She’s ready. Emotionally? I think she’d catch up quickly. As for social maturity... well, she’d just have to navigate things with whatever tools she currently possesses—socializing isn't exactly her superpower. But honestly, I think she’d survive 😁

To be perfectly blunt, I'm actually relieved it's just me benefiting from her staying home. I'm simply not ready to face the onslaught of school obligations yet 😁

It was the exact same situation for us. He actually wanted to start school at six and a half; he even went to his preschool testing on his own and passed, but we decided it was better to wait until this year. We didn't even have to file for a deferment because he wasn't legally required to start last year since he was born in early April.
James Cox6 James Cox6 Active Member
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#196 ·
So, last year I was helping out a friend by dropping off some enrollment paperwork for her kid—her boss wouldn't give her the day off, so she asked me to handle the school registration. No big deal.
The office wasn't crowded, which actually worked out because I ended up chatting with a special education specialist. I started asking about early enrollment and maturity levels, and she told me everything you guys have been debating here, plus one thing nobody else mentioned. The conversation went like this:

"Mom, do you have a boy or a girl?" I told her—a girl. "Well, you know," she said, "if you enroll a child at 6 years and 3 months, they might meet the height and weight requirements, but don't mistake that for physical maturity. If they seem short for their age, it’s probably not just about height..."
"You need to realize right from the start that your child might be the least physically developed in the class. They might be at the very bottom of the pack—the last one in the grade to get their period or start developing physically."
"It might sound crazy to you, but these things weigh heavily on those little pre-pubescent minds. You have to remember there are kids in that same class who delayed starting until they were 7 or 8, while yours is starting at 6 and 3 months... Just try to imagine the psychological gap—sometimes up to two years in developmental stages—when hormones kick in and throw all that emotional stability out the window."

So now I'm asking you moms—do you think this becomes a major issue for emotionally immature kids? (I'd prefer answers from moms of girls, since the specialist was specifically talking about female development)

Listening.🙂
David Foster80 David Foster80 Active Member
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joined Aug 2008
#197 ·
James Cox6 said:So, last year I was helping out a friend by dropping off some enrollment paperwork for her kid—her boss wouldn't give her the day off, so she asked me to handle the school registration. No big deal.
The office wasn't crowded, which actually worked out because I ended up chatting with a special education specialist. I started asking about early enrollment and maturity levels, and she told me everything you guys have been debating here, plus one thing nobody else mentioned. The conversation went like this:

"Mom, do you have a boy or a girl?" I told her—a girl. "Well, you know," she said, "if you enroll a child at 6 years and 3 months, they might meet the height and weight requirements, but don't mistake that for physical maturity. If they seem short for their age, it’s probably not just about height..."
"You need to realize right from the start that your child might be the least physically developed in the class. They might be at the very bottom of the pack—the last one in the grade to get their period or start developing physically."
"It might sound crazy to you, but these things weigh heavily on those little pre-pubescent minds. You have to remember there are kids in that same class who delayed starting until they were 7 or 8, while yours is starting at 6 and 3 months... Just try to imagine the psychological gap—sometimes up to two years in developmental stages—when hormones kick in and throw all that emotional stability out the window."

So now I'm asking you moms—do you think this becomes a major issue for emotionally immature kids? (I'd prefer answers from moms of girls, since the specialist was specifically talking about female development)

Listening.🙂

To be honest, I think that specialist is a bit much for 🤦 because their arguments don't really hold water when it comes to actual mental health.

My son started school at seven and a half, and my daughter started at six and a half (we didn't have much choice due to birth dates). Both were among the smallest kids in their classes—my son didn't really catch up physically until middle school. But both were top-tier athletes. My daughter is the smartest kid in her grade; she’s tiny, sure, but she's definitely the loudest 😁, and her teacher calls her CEO. She hates being called "little," which is fair, but asking to delay her enrollment just because she's small would be ridiculous. She was mature enough in every other way.

When it was time for my son to start, some people suggested we push for him to start earlier since he was a May baby. We didn't see the point. What, would he be late to something? Laws and age requirements usually exist for a reason based on expert opinion and experience 🤷
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What's even the point of pushing for early enrollment anyway? 🤷

And honestly, the issues that come with an emotionally immature child can be anything. I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would ever advocate for enrolling an emotionally immature kid early.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#198 ·
James Cox6 said:So, last year I was helping out a friend by dropping off some enrollment paperwork for her kid—her boss wouldn't give her the day off, so she asked me to handle the school registration. No big deal.
The office wasn't crowded, which actually worked out because I ended up chatting with a special education specialist. I started asking about early enrollment and maturity levels, and she told me everything you guys have been debating here, plus one thing nobody else mentioned. The conversation went like this:

"Mom, do you have a boy or a girl?" I told her—a girl. "Well, you know," she said, "if you enroll a child at 6 years and 3 months, they might meet the height and weight requirements, but don't mistake that for physical maturity. If they seem short for their age, it’s probably not just about height..."
"You need to realize right from the start that your child might be the least physically developed in the class. They might be at the very bottom of the pack—the last one in the grade to get their period or start developing physically."
"It might sound crazy to you, but these things weigh heavily on those little pre-pubescent minds. You have to remember there are kids in that same class who delayed starting until they were 7 or 8, while yours is starting at 6 and 3 months... Just try to imagine the psychological gap—sometimes up to two years in developmental stages—when hormones kick in and throw all that emotional stability out the window."

So now I'm asking you moms—do you think this becomes a major issue for emotionally immature kids? (I'd prefer answers from moms of girls, since the specialist was specifically talking about female development)

Listening.🙂

🤦

I actually started school when I was 6 and a half.
Back in first grade, I was always at the front of the line (so I definitely met that specialist's criteria! 😛)
By sixth grade, I was near the back, and by eighth grade, I was the very last one.
To be honest, my development stayed pretty delayed for a long time. 🥳

Anyway, someone has to be first and someone has to be last! ☕
David Foster80 David Foster80 Active Member
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joined Aug 2008
#199 ·
Susan James said:🤦

I actually started school when I was 6 and a half.
Back in first grade, I was always at the front of the line (so I definitely met that specialist's criteria! 😛)
By sixth grade, I was near the back, and by eighth grade, I was the very last one.
To be honest, my development stayed pretty delayed for a long time. 🥳

Anyway, someone has to be first and someone has to be last! ☕

🤣 That’s probably because you started school way too early.
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#200 ·
Honestly, growing up, I never really saw any real pattern between how old you were, how tall you were, or when you actually started your period. For instance, I was one of those kids who was pretty tall and sturdy back in elementary school, yet I didn't get my period until four years after my best friend, who was super tiny and petite—and she never even really developed much of a figure. Meanwhile, some girls who were way shorter and smaller than both of us were already going through it by the seventh grade 😁

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