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Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#301 ·
feralmoose32 said:Boys and girls are night and day—whether they're 3, 6, 15, or even 30...😬

I have to respectfully disagree here. I have a son, and he’ll be turning six and a half in two years, so for us, delaying school isn't even a consideration. It's just not on the table.
If that were some kind of universal rule, I suppose every guy out there would be pushing his start date back by a full year just to stay ahead of the curve. It’s funny how those things work, isn't it? If everyone followed that logic, the whole timeline would just shift entirely.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#302 ·
Quinn:
feralmoose32 I guess I should probably start by saying that... well, things are shifting, aren't they? It feels like we're all just sort of watching the pieces move on the board, maybe waiting to see where the dust settles. I don't know, it’s hard to pin down exactly how one should feel about it all, but there's definitely a sense that the old ways of doing things might not hold up quite like they used to. Perhaps it's just my own perspective, or maybe I'm overthinking the whole situation, but I can't help but notice how much the landscape seems to be changing around us. It makes you wonder, I suppose, about what comes next and whether we're actually prepared for it, though I suspect most people are just trying to keep their heads down and carry on as usual.
I guess you could say that boys and girls are just everything, really—they’re like the sky and the earth all rolled into one, whether they’re three years old, six, fifteen, or even thirty. It’s funny how that works, I suppose, how that sense of being the center of the universe stays with you through every single stage of growing up. 😬
I suppose you could say I'm generalizing a bit, though I guess that’s just how my mind tends to wander when I'm trying to make sense of things. It’s easy to fall into those broad strokes, isn't it? Maybe I am being a little too sweeping with my observations, but sometimes it feels like the only way to capture the general shape of the argument without getting lost in every single tiny detail. I don't mean to be reductive, per se, but I tend to look at the bigger picture more than the individual pieces, I suppose.😁

Quinn:
Michelle Nelson4 I suppose I should probably mention that...
I don't know, I'm not sure I see it that way. I have a son, and since he’s going to be about six and a half in two years, the idea of delaying anything just isn't even on my radar, I guess.
I suppose if that were some kind of universal rule, every guy out there would probably just end up pushing their whole timeline back by a year, wouldn't they? It feels like that's how it would play out, I guess.
I suppose I’m inclined to agree with that.

I guess, if you ask me, deferrals should really be reserved for those folks who are actually facing some legitimate, objective hurdles. It feels like the burden of making that call shouldn't fall on the parents at all; instead, the responsibility ought to lie with a professional team of experts who can actually assess the situation properly.
So, he’s heading off to school next year, and if I’m being honest, it feels like that preschool phase was way past its expiration date for him in terms of actually learning anything new; he just wasn't being challenged there anymore, I guess.
He seems to have this curious little mind that’s already wandering far beyond what they cover in preschool—you know, things like reading, writing, basic math, languages, history, and just about everything else they haven't quite introduced in the classroom yet. I guess he's just naturally ahead of the curve, maybe.
So then, I suppose they just go ahead and handle things on their own, without really asking for any input or waiting for permission. I guess I'm just starting to realize that my own... well, everything, feels a bit unsettled lately. It’s hard to put a finger on it, really, but there's this sense of things being slightly out of alignment, if that makes any sense. Maybe it's just me overthinking things again, which I suppose is a bit of a habit of mine, but I can't help feeling like I'm still trying to find my footing in all of this. I was just sitting here thinking about those old work permits from back in '83... you know, those little slips of paper that used to dictate everything. It’s funny how much things have shifted since then, I guess. Everything felt so much more tactile, almost physical, back then. Now, everything is just digital noise, which I suppose is more efficient, but there was something about having those actual documents in hand. Maybe I'm just getting nostalgic for a time when bureaucracy actually required a filing cabinet instead of a cloud server. Anyway, just a random thought crossing my mind today.🤣
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#303 ·
I might be overgeneralizing here, but I just can't see my little one starting school in two years...
By next June, they'll be turning six—so technically, they’d be heading off to kindergarten at six and three months. Honestly, I don't see any harm in waiting an extra year, and I wouldn't even call that a delay, really...

To me, "delaying" would mean a child who is nearly seven and still isn't quite ready for the classroom, and then having to ask for more time...
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#304 ·
Wait, so the age limit is April 1st?!
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#305 ·
If my baby had been born at three months or so, I’d be considering postponing things regardless of how ready she felt.
If she had arrived earlier and was actually prepared, I definitely wouldn't be putting it off.
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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#306 ·
Susan James said:how it goes ☕
In my experience, one session lasted 12 minutes, then another 5 minutes with her and her dad.

Preschools here, especially in big cities like Chicago, seem to have better access to specialists like psychologists or speech therapists. It feels like the psychologists in these preschool settings have way more testing tools available than the elementary schools do.
At least for now, before they start cutting those budgets.
Plus, they get the benefit of daily observation within the classroom, which I think provides such valuable insight into a child's development.
Our school didn't even ask for the preschool's assessment, even though we had it ready (they basically told us we could bring it along if we felt it was necessary).

It’s actually quite rare for a preschool to proactively suggest a child stay back another year. Unless the parents notice it themselves and speak up, the school rarely initiates that conversation unless things are absolutely hitting the fan.
And honestly, you hear a lot of clichés. They'll say, "Well, everyone else in the group is moving on, so he should too."
Or, "Look how tall he is! Just imagine him in a year."
And parents often hesitate and just enroll them anyway because of that.

At the end of the day, an extra year won't ruin a kid's life. They'll make friends along the way, and even if they happen to be the tallest kid in class, they'll end up with better speech, better fine motor skills for writing, and a much easier time grasping the curriculum...

I'm speaking from experience seeing kids struggle with schoolwork simply because
they weren't truly ready for it. The more they struggle academically, the less happy they become, and that can really take a toll on their social and emotional well-being later on...

Now that I'm navigating this as a parent myself, I can tell you that these school entrance tests are pretty much useless.
(Setting aside the rare exceptions, of course.)

It doesn't surprise me at all that some kids slip right through the cracks without any real analysis—kids who still have the handwriting of a toddler or major speech impediments.

Yeah, that’s obviously a totally different story than what we deal with here in Cleveland.

Around our neck of the woods, several preschool centers are lumped together into one big administrative district, and they only assign one psychologist and one speech therapist to cover that entire cluster of five or six locations.
Because of that, if a kid shows signs of speech issues, they basically just point the parents toward the one specific center where the speech therapist happens to be stationed—though even then, the support is pretty minimal, and parents really should seek out private specialists outside the school system. I know this because I live next door to two families with kids struggling with speech; the parents haven't really been educated on how to spot the red flags or realize the long-term impact this could have on their schooling, so they just brush it off thinking, "Oh, they'll grow out of it."

As for the psychologists, there's zero actual observation happening within the classroom environment, let alone daily check-ins.
If someone requests an early assessment or asks to delay enrollment, the teachers might give their input based on the child's behavior, but the psychologist just pulls the kid out of the group for a quick session, runs some tests, and drops them back off. That's it.

feralmoose32 said:I might be overgeneralizing here, but I just can't see my little one starting school in two years...
By next June, they'll be turning six—so technically, they’d be heading off to kindergarten at six and three months. Honestly, I don't see any harm in waiting an extra year, and I wouldn't even call that a delay, really...

To me, "delaying" would mean a child who is nearly seven and still isn't quite ready for the classroom, and then having to ask for more time...

Like the others mentioned, since the rules say there's no such thing as a "delay" for a child who turns six after the April 1st cutoff—they're either in or they're not—the only option is to request early enrollment, since only those born before April 1st are legally required to attend.

Ultimately, this whole situation started with a mom whose child is technically due to start, but after testing, the recommendation was to hold off on school because of speech struggles.
Since clear pronunciation is the foundation for proper writing later on, I wouldn't spend a second worrying about which of my friends' kids are heading to class this fall.

The only thing that actually matters is determining if the speech issue is legitimate—meaning the parent needs to take an objective look at whether the child is communicating clearly or not—and then figuring out the best way to fix it.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#307 ·
It’s honestly pretty heartbreaking when a child starts school with speech impediments, only for us to realize that no specialists stepped in to help earlier.
I saw this happen in real life once—the pediatrician just brushed off a lisp, saying there was plenty of time for it to fix itself. Meanwhile, the preschool teachers didn't say a word to the parents.
Luckily, the kid was enrolled in an intensive program recently, and from what I hear, they're making really fast progress.
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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#308 ·
rowdypanther12 said:It’s honestly pretty heartbreaking when a child starts school with speech impediments, only for us to realize that no specialists stepped in to help earlier.
I saw this happen in real life once—the pediatrician just brushed off a lisp, saying there was plenty of time for it to fix itself. Meanwhile, the preschool teachers didn't say a word to the parents.
Luckily, the kid was enrolled in an intensive program recently, and from what I hear, they're making really fast progress.

From what I’ve seen, a lot of kids don't even start preschool until they're older because parents tend to brush things off or flat-out deny there's an issue—you know, using excuses like, "Oh, little Peter from down the street has the same thing," or "Well, Dad didn't start talking clearly until he was five, and he turned out just fine."

Once the kid finally hits preschool, if the speech therapy services provided by the district are basically non-existent—since we're talking about one specialist trying to cover half a dozen different centers—the burden falls entirely on the parents to find private help. But if they still think the situation isn't a big deal, then nothing changes, and the child just keeps struggling.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#309 ·
rowdypanther12 said:It’s honestly pretty heartbreaking when a child starts school with speech impediments, only for us to realize that no specialists stepped in to help earlier.
I saw this happen in real life once—the pediatrician just brushed off a lisp, saying there was plenty of time for it to fix itself. Meanwhile, the preschool teachers didn't say a word to the parents.
Luckily, the kid was enrolled in an intensive program recently, and from what I hear, they're making really fast progress.

In our local daycare, we actually have a speech therapist on staff who is fantastic at spotting issues in kids as young as three. However, she really only works with them once they reach preschool age; before that, the responsibility falls entirely on the parents.
Basically, that means you either pay out of pocket for private sessions or you wait for public services. And waiting for public services often feels like waiting until the very last year of preschool, since those specialists have long waiting lists and usually prioritize the oldest kids right before they head to kindergarten.

I know quite a few cases where people discussed delaying school entry during the preschool years, but rarely while the child was already in school (including one instance at a school in a more rural area where enrollment was low😠). I won't even begin to tell you how much those kids struggle to keep up with the curriculum.
Not to mention, the decision most often goes toward sending the entire preschool group to school together just so no child feels isolated or left behind. Personally, I think having mixed-age groups in childcare is such a huge advantage—having two different ages in one room means if half the group moves on to school, the other half stays, which keeps things stable.

It really frustrates me when a parent visits the school nurse or counselor in April and gets told, "If you start speech therapy now, they'll be fine by the time school starts."
In reality, four or five months is a significant amount of time and a lot can be accomplished, but you have to factor in summer break and the fact that getting an appointment isn't always instant. Sometimes you can't even get an opening within those five months.

Regarding the maturity levels of boys versus girls... there are studies suggesting that, generally speaking, girls (around the 6 to 7-year-old mark) are a bit more ready for the classroom environment.
That’s a real factor to consider, especially regarding motor skills. Schools tend to be set up for girls who can sit still more easily, whereas boys are often still in high-energy, constant-movement mode.

Of course, I don't want to generalize too much. My daughter prefers climbing trees and being active, whereas urbantinker8's son is much more into sitting down with worksheets. There are plenty of exceptions on both sides, so you really have to weigh a child's specific strengths and weaknesses.
And, naturally, you have to look at everything the preschool environment offers the child during that final transition year.
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#310 ·
Our daycare doesn't have an on-site speech therapist. And just like nosorog mentioned, their therapists mainly work with the preschool crowd; they might glance at the younger kids, but really they're just there to spot potential issues and point parents in the right direction.
Regarding speech, pronunciation, and writing—as you guys know, my kid (5.5 years old) struggles with those. We've been doing speech therapy for two years now. Last year, he picked up syllable division incredibly fast. Now, he’s actually starting to read words using that method. Writing isn't too bad either, though we don't practice it much unless he really pushes for it. I can't say for sure how he'll handle elementary school or if things will improve, but for his age, considering we don't do much formal practice, he's doing great. He caught on quick. 🤷To me, the bigger hurdle seems to be free-form retelling—like book reports or summarizing stories. That's where he really hits a wall. Putting sentences together is a struggle, so we try to encourage that as much as possible. 😢
If I had listened to everyone else saying "it'll all work itself out," we still wouldn't be seeing a specialist today. 🙄
Richard Perez3 Richard Perez3 Active Member
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#311 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:I have to respectfully disagree here. I have a son, and he’ll be turning six and a half in two years, so for us, delaying school isn't even a consideration. It's just not on the table.
If that were some kind of universal rule, I suppose every guy out there would be pushing his start date back by a full year just to stay ahead of the curve. It’s funny how those things work, isn't it? If everyone followed that logic, the whole timeline would just shift entirely.

Yeah, honestly, I think starting earlier is better.
My kid was born right near that cutoff date—he was a May baby, and since they have to be in by April 1st, the school actually asked if I wanted to request an early enrollment because he’s right on the edge. They thought it might be good for him to get in now...but nah, no thanks. With him being 7 now, he’s totally ready to go. A year ago? Man, he was basically just a little puddle of mush. 😬
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#312 ·
My daughter was actually pretty ready for school last year, even though she wasn't technically due to start yet since her birthday is in April, so I didn't think twice about enrolling her then.
Yeah, while she might find some of it a bit more tedious now than she would have last year, she’s also much more capable of handling her own responsibilities. She can ask for help when things get confusing and generally take charge of her own studies much better than she could have back then.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#313 ·
rowdypanther12 said:If my baby had been born at three months or so, I’d be considering postponing things regardless of how ready she felt.
If she had arrived earlier and was actually prepared, I definitely wouldn't be putting it off.

Honestly, obsessing over an exact date feels totally crazy to me. It's not like a six or seven-year-old is going to undergo some massive developmental shift just because a month or two passed one way or the other.😁
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#314 ·
There really needs to be a set date 😁 though I think they should probably stay flexible within a 2-3 month window, if you ask me.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#315 ·
rowdypanther12 said:There really needs to be a set date 😁 though I think they should probably stay flexible within a 2-3 month window, if you ask me.

Yeah, I'm right there with you on that one.
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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#316 ·
rowdypanther12 said:There really needs to be a set date 😁 though I think they should probably stay flexible within a 2-3 month window, if you ask me.

Look, there actually is plenty of room for flexibility here; at my daycare center, we see kids starting early all the time, and then you have these little ones born in February or March who end up getting pushed back a bit even when they aren't showing any signs of needing the extra time.
Brenda Stewart59 Brenda Stewart59 Newcomer
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#317 ·
feralmoose32 said:I might be overgeneralizing here, but I just can't see my little one starting school in two years...
By next June, they'll be turning six—so technically, they’d be heading off to kindergarten at six and three months. Honestly, I don't see any harm in waiting an extra year, and I wouldn't even call that a delay, really...

To me, "delaying" would mean a child who is nearly seven and still isn't quite ready for the classroom, and then having to ask for more time...

This whole "delay" thing doesn't even apply to you.😁.

Your cutoff date is March 31st.

Based on the current age requirements, yours—just like mine—is set to start school during the 2019/2020 academic year, assuming the district doesn't change the rules before then.

🤦 I'm just hoping mine matures a little bit by then.🙄
Brenda Stewart59 Brenda Stewart59 Newcomer
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#318 ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Look, there actually is plenty of room for flexibility here; at my daycare center, we see kids starting early all the time, and then you have these little ones born in February or March who end up getting pushed back a bit even when they aren't showing any signs of needing the extra time.

True, there is definitely some flexibility there.
For a child who is exceptionally gifted or highly advanced—let's say they were born on August 3rd—you can petition for an early enrollment. Basically, if they haven't hit that official six-year mark by April 1st of the current school year, but they are clearly mentally and emotionally ready, you can make a case for them to start school early.
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#319 ·
Brenda Stewart59 said:This whole "delay" thing doesn't even apply to you.😁.

Your cutoff date is March 31st.

Based on the current age requirements, yours—just like mine—is set to start school during the 2019/2020 academic year, assuming the district doesn't change the rules before then.

🤦 I'm just hoping mine matures a little bit by then.🙄

I hope you at least get some peace and quiet soon😁...
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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#320 ·
Brenda Stewart59 said:True, there is definitely some flexibility there.
For a child who is exceptionally gifted or highly advanced—let's say they were born on August 3rd—you can petition for an early enrollment. Basically, if they haven't hit that official six-year mark by April 1st of the current school year, but they are clearly mentally and emotionally ready, you can make a case for them to start school early.

Like I mentioned before, you can request an early start, though I should note that when I was looking into enrollment back in Washington, D.C., I saw one form that allowed kids to jump in early if they were turning six by August 31st, even though the broader state guidelines or local district policies seemed to say the cutoff was closer to December 31st.

They also allow for a deferral for kids born before March 31st who don't seem to be quite ready, as long as the parent feels they aren't mature enough yet and can get a formal sign-off from their preschool's specialist team.

In my experience, the school districts here don't really make a fuss about delaying a year; honestly, it feels like they're much more open to letting a kid stay back than they are to letting a little kid skip ahead.

It’s pretty much the same way things worked when we were growing up. I ended up in classes with kids who were a full year older than me, but also mixed in with kids who were maybe six months younger—like a close friend of mine who was a November baby and started school just before she hit six.

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