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Daniel Gomez10 Daniel Gomez10 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#821 ·
Susan James said:What do you mean by overcrowding at the school?
Do they have so many kids enrolling that they suggest deferrals for those on the edge of the age cutoff? 😕
So they'll just show up next year when there might be even more applicants? Or did they already defer 14 students last year, so now they need to defer another 14 just to balance the numbers? 😂

A parent who "insists" usually ends up exaggerating the situation, which isn't something you can really verify during a quick 15-minute screening (I sometimes wonder why these assessments aren't longer or more thorough...)
Trying to point them toward a second opinion is mostly a lost cause anyway. By the time a child goes in for an assessment in April or May, by the time they actually get an appointment at a clinic, they're already finishing the first semester or even the whole first grade.
So, yeah, it's a bit of a mess. 🤷
And for what it's worth, preschool opinions still don't seem to carry much weight. Since they're under orders from the School District to clear spots for new enrollments, they often skip over certain issues, meaning kids get enrolled without any deferral. In my opinion, that’s actually a bigger problem than the kids who actually do get their schooling delayed.

How did he finish without any trouble if he ended the year with anything less than a 4.0? 😕
Just one B on a report card sends a message that maybe he should have been deferred, and anything more than that suggests you've set him up for failure. 😬 🐔

Man, you really went after me there... 🙂 😁
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#822 ·
urbantinker8 said:whether you believe it or not—whenever there’s a year where the student count gets a bit overwhelming and they can't really manage it properly (you know, massive class sizes or just an inability to organize after-school care effectively)—they just start handing out deferrals whenever they feel like it.
in neighborhoods like that, I guess the schools stay somewhat "in sync" with the local preschools to get a rough idea of how many toddlers are coming their way, and they use that to adjust things if they absolutely have to.
plus, there's this general trend across the country toward declining birth rates, so maybe they're just hoping these delays won't totally mess up next year's numbers.

it's just the reality of dealing with a handful of older, underfunded schools and all that...
honestly, it doesn't surprise me one bit.🤷

I'm not surprised either, though it definitely makes me angry.
Because, if a school can just delay a child's entry because they don't have the space to house them (meaning instead of expanding classrooms or hiring more teachers, they just tell the kid they aren't "mature" or "ready" enough and dump all the responsibility on the parents 🙄), then it’s no wonder parents feel forced to jump through hoops to make sure their child starts at age eight. Given that context, it feels unfair to judge them for doing what they have to do.

To me, it sends a terrible message from the system. While I doubt this is the norm everywhere, I think it happens way more often than people realize—especially when a kid actually *needs* to start school, but the local district is short on students and is trying to fill seats.
John James5 John James5 Newcomer
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#823 ·
Brian Jones8 said:I know this isn't the main topic, but I'm curious—what are you all doing to tackle this?

Regarding the delay... I'd love to hear from parents whose kids are already in school after being held back a year. Did that extra year actually make a difference?

The teachers at our preschool are being pretty harsh; they're convinced he'll be struggling forever. ☕Fine, I hear you. I’ll work with him and stay on top of his lessons, but I'm really hoping one more year of preschool gives him a chance to catch up on his speech and sharpen his focus a little.

I know this question popped up back in March, but maybe my experience will help someone out. I stumbled onto this thread and started scrolling through from page 25...

I have two kids.

For my oldest—who was a handful, honestly—we decided to hold them back from starting kindergarten based on what all the specialists said, plus the input from the school testing team when they turned five. Emotionally, she just wasn't there yet. Plus, back then, she had zero interest in memorizing things that didn't matter to her at the time (like reciting the seasons or days of the week). I don't think she needed to know that stuff right then—that's first-grade level stuff—but her whole vibe was just refusing to engage or try to remember anything. She couldn't even count to 10 without skipping a number every single time. So, delaying was the call we made as parents, and honestly, we felt a massive sense of relief once the decision was made, even though we had no clue what first grade would actually look like.

And man, I can’t even describe how much that extra year helped her mature and get ready for school. It was night and day. A year later, she walked into those tests totally confident, prepared, and motivated. She was actually excited to finally be a first grader. For my kid, motivation was everything because, with after-school programs, she was basically doing homework every single day anyway—especially in the second half of the year when they started teaching cursive and harder math.

By the end of the first semester, she had mastered printing both uppercase and lowercase letters. She could also handle addition and subtraction up to, if I remember correctly, 7 or 8 (at least according to the curriculum they use at our local elementary school).
In the second semester, they move on to cursive. They're expected to know when to use capital letters, and they start paying attention to things like "i" vs "ie" type spelling nuances, as well as "ch" and "sh" , "j" and "dg" sounds. By the start of the second semester, adding and subtracting up to 10 needs to be automatic, because by the end of the year, they're doing numbers up to 20.
The final math exam at the end of the year covers everything from the start of the year, including word problems like: "Anne picked 15 strawberries, and Ivy picked 11 fewer than Anne. How many did they pick altogether?" (Just making that up to show you the kind of math we're talking about).

I didn't care what anyone thought about us holding her back, and my kid didn't care that she was a year behind her old preschool buddies. If we hadn't taken that extra year, she wouldn't have been able to keep up with the pace of first grade. It would have been a disaster for her emotionally and socially, and her attitude toward school—which is actually positive now despite the workload—would probably have been ruined for the long haul.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#824 ·
Susan James said:I'm not surprised either, though it definitely makes me angry.
Because, if a school can just delay a child's entry because they don't have the space to house them (meaning instead of expanding classrooms or hiring more teachers, they just tell the kid they aren't "mature" or "ready" enough and dump all the responsibility on the parents 🙄), then it’s no wonder parents feel forced to jump through hoops to make sure their child starts at age eight. Given that context, it feels unfair to judge them for doing what they have to do.

To me, it sends a terrible message from the system. While I doubt this is the norm everywhere, I think it happens way more often than people realize—especially when a kid actually *needs* to start school, but the local district is short on students and is trying to fill seats.

Yeah, it definitely sends a bad message from the system.
but personally, I find it equally aggravating—the officials who refuse to build new schools, upgrade existing ones, or hire more staff, combined with the helicopter parents who exploit the situation without much cause.
No matter how you look at it, the actual purpose behind delaying enrollment gets completely lost, which I think is just really, really bad for everyone involved.
John James5 John James5 Newcomer
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#825 ·
urbantinker8 said:Yeah, it definitely sends a bad message from the system.
but personally, I find it equally aggravating—the officials who refuse to build new schools, upgrade existing ones, or hire more staff, combined with the helicopter parents who exploit the situation without much cause.
No matter how you look at it, the actual purpose behind delaying enrollment gets completely lost, which I think is just really, really bad for everyone involved.

Total agreement here.

I'm honestly floored by what I just read on the last few pages. We're talking about a kid who is psychophysically healthy, advanced, zero diagnoses, looks like they have above-average abilities—someone who can pick up two languages before age six, gets the green light from school doctors, psychologists, and speech therapists saying they need more time, all because the mom decided that the moment she gave birth?
Either this story doesn't add up, or it's a perfect example of a system that's completely broken.
My own kid had developmental delays from day one—high neuro-risk. No matter the therapy—physical, occupational, sensory integration, speech, preschool programs, intensive work at home before testing—they couldn't even count to ten or name our city. But thanks to delaying enrollment, my kid actually became ready. With massive extra effort from me at home, they caught up with kids who are a year or more older, while most parents of those kids don't even have to lift a finger to get them straight A's—or so they claim.

We never even got a call from NASA regarding the approved delay, nor did two other moms I know whose kids also had delays (one a year before us, one last year at a different Elementary School) due to issues they'd been tackling with specialists for years. I don't know a single case where a delay wasn't justified. This is New York City we're talking about. So, the idea that a kid can just skip a grade/year without any diagnosis is disappointing. It's a failure of the system. If it's true that employees there act like this, then yeah, it's a mess. Because now people are claiming everyone in that department was incompetent because they judged the kid ready, only to change their minds later. And then NASA jumps in just to have a parent sign a statement saying they wanted the delay for a "perfectly healthy child" based on a commission's recommendation. Why would the commission recommend the delay in the first place if the kid is fine?
Brian Jones8 Brian Jones8 Member
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#826 ·
John James5, can you give me the lowdown? How exactly did you guys prep for the baby that year? I’m talking about everything—speech therapists, specialists, any specific supplements?

And what was his working memory like back then?
John James5 John James5 Newcomer
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#827 ·
Brian Jones8 said:John James5, can you give me the lowdown? How exactly did you guys prep for the baby that year? I’m talking about everything—speech therapists, specialists, any specific supplements?

And what was his working memory like back then?

That gap year was mostly just speech therapy and a ton of homework, but we also played through different scenarios every single day—basically whatever popped into my head. Walking through the park, waiting in line at Target, lounging on the beach, riding the bus or subway... everything was an excuse to count things, analyze stuff, or learn through play.
Analyzing and breaking down words. Spelling, syllable splitting. We’d play games trying to remember as many words as possible starting with a certain sound, or what sound a word ended with. Something like "calodont," but at first, just one sound, not whole syllables. We read words letter by letter, then syllables, then blended them together.
We counted whenever I felt like it. Like folding napkins to put four on the table. Or having her hand me five eggs. Counting how many railroad tracks were under the crosswalk. Then there was the whole more vs. less thing—like, if she had 5 pieces of candy and I had 3, who has more? Or if she has 3 candies and gives 1 to a friend, how many are left? If she has 3 and a friend gives her 1, how many does she have now? Using fingers. Using candy. Anything. That’s even how we learned the < and > symbols through games (she remembered that the bigger side is where the sign "opens up") and she never messed those up once in first grade.
She worked through preschool workbooks I picked up at newsstands and bookstores—different quality levels 😁, various types of exercises; I bought a few different ones. Every single day, if she couldn't do more, we did at least one task. I also printed out exercises from the web (I see there are even new ones here now). We used them for concentration, fine motor skills, spatial orientation, understanding quantities, etc. On the recommendation of our speech therapist, Eve, I got her software called "World of Letters," which she did on the computer and absolutely loved. We played "what's the opposite" (night-day, deep-shallow, high-low, young-old...) while walking. She’d retell stories I read to her, and we’d talk about them. She wrote short texts, like birthday cards for friends, drawing them herself, and generally did a lot of drawing and coloring, focusing on being precise.

I think for people asking for a gap year, all this sounds trivial or easy because their kids just "got it" or picked it up on the fly. But our kid had developmental delays, actual issues with comprehension, short attention span, motor restlessness, etc., and nothing happened just by accident or without constant stimulation and repetition. And if you're wondering why we didn't do this sooner, the answer is—we did. We tried, but it didn't work. She'd refuse. Or if she wasn't refusing, she'd just look at me and simply wouldn't understand. Later on, she actually became more prepared and interested than average kids. Even with the speech therapy checkups and the exercises her two therapists recommended in the years prior, it wasn't a lack of effort; she just couldn't grasp those basic concepts. I have another child who has always been a quick learner and picks things up easily "on the go," so I see the difference firsthand.

As for supplements, I bought So this fish oil, my pediatrician suggested it, but man, getting her to swallow it was a total nightmare. Apparently, they market it as having a strawberry flavor, but that’s a load of crap.
Brian Jones8 Brian Jones8 Member
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#828 ·
Thanks for getting back to me! 🙂

We’re also wrestling with working memory issues, restlessness, speech struggles, and focus...
My little guy still isn't really interested in cooperating, so everything is an uphill battle. Motivating him is basically impossible right now.
You gave me some great ideas regarding < and > and addition/subtraction—he actually gets those concepts, but I think we could see way better results if we framed them through play. He’s fine with synthesis and analysis, but opposites? Not so much.

Abstract stuff is a total disaster, and retelling stories is just as bad.

What grade is she in? And how is she holding up in school???
mistymoose48 mistymoose48 Newcomer
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#829 ·
Hey, I’m stuck. My 7-year-old is supposed to start school soon, but they’re telling us he should repeat preschool because his drawings are "underdeveloped." They also claim he’s too playful—basically, too childish. We went back for more testing, and this time his drawing was great, but they’re still pushing for him to wait a year. I talked to some other moms from the same elementary school and compared the test assignments; honestly, there isn't much difference between them. Some kids knew numbers, some knew letters, some knew nothing at all. My kid can write his full name, draw, holds his pencil correctly, and has an incredible memory and reasoning skills. He knows some numbers and letters, but he can't read yet. Well, for heaven's sake, that's why he's going to school. I have two girls in 3rd and 4th grade, and they weren't much ahead of him either, so it wasn't an issue then. The worst part is the school didn't even notify me about the board's decision. They said they'd call, but I ended up finding out by accident when I called the school myself. Classes are starting soon and we just feel helpless... especially since we know our son is ready. Who knows him better than his parents? Looking for any advice, or if anyone has dealt with something similar. Thanks.
Jacob Lopez2 Jacob Lopez2 Active Member
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#830 ·
mistymoose48 said:Hey, I’m stuck. My 7-year-old is supposed to start school soon, but they’re telling us he should repeat preschool because his drawings are "underdeveloped." They also claim he’s too playful—basically, too childish. We went back for more testing, and this time his drawing was great, but they’re still pushing for him to wait a year. I talked to some other moms from the same elementary school and compared the test assignments; honestly, there isn't much difference between them. Some kids knew numbers, some knew letters, some knew nothing at all. My kid can write his full name, draw, holds his pencil correctly, and has an incredible memory and reasoning skills. He knows some numbers and letters, but he can't read yet. Well, for heaven's sake, that's why he's going to school. I have two girls in 3rd and 4th grade, and they weren't much ahead of him either, so it wasn't an issue then. The worst part is the school didn't even notify me about the board's decision. They said they'd call, but I ended up finding out by accident when I called the school myself. Classes are starting soon and we just feel helpless... especially since we know our son is ready. Who knows him better than his parents? Looking for any advice, or if anyone has dealt with something similar. Thanks.

If everything you've described is accurate, I would absolutely insist that the child be enrolled in school this year.
Jack Gray6 Jack Gray6 Member
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#831 ·
Our preschool psychologist suggested we delay enrollment. He mentioned he’s willing to draft a formal recommendation if we decide to go that route. I'm just a bit lost on the logistics here. Does anyone know who actually needs to see that paperwork? Should I hand it to the school doctor or the educational specialist during the testing phase? We have the school evaluations scheduled for April, followed by the pediatrician appointment in May.
driftingheron70 driftingheron70 Newcomer
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#832 ·
Jack Gray6, mind if I ask why they’re recommending she wait a year? Is that on your call, or what?
I'm asking because my daughter is officially required to start, she was born late January, and I’ve done everything by the book—enrolled her, kept up with all the paperwork, the whole nine yards. But everyone keeps grilling me about this deferral thing. They’re basically asking why I didn't just request an extension... you know, nothing crazy, just letting her have one more year of playing around in preschool before things get serious.
Jack Gray6 Jack Gray6 Member
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#833 ·
I went back and forth on it because delaying seems to be the trend these days. Eventually, I just decided she’s going to school and that's that.
She's a sensitive kid, though. She actually refused to see the psychologist for testing; she just broke down crying. The specialist was caught off guard—she thought we were long past those kinds of meltdowns.
When she finally did go to the appointment with a friend, her performance wasn't great. Her handwriting was a bit shaky, and she struggled with some of the crossing-out tasks. But the real issue is her emotional insecurity. She admitted to me at home that she didn't want to go because the psychologist was a man, and he had a somewhat dominant personality.

I'm stuck. Maybe everything will go smoothly during the school evaluations and when she sees the doctor, simply because there will be women involved. 🤦
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#834 ·
driftingheron70 said:Jack Gray6, mind if I ask why they’re recommending she wait a year? Is that on your call, or what?
I'm asking because my daughter is officially required to start, she was born late January, and I’ve done everything by the book—enrolled her, kept up with all the paperwork, the whole nine yards. But everyone keeps grilling me about this deferral thing. They’re basically asking why I didn't just request an extension... you know, nothing crazy, just letting her have one more year of playing around in preschool before things get serious.

Man, people really love to overanalyze the "emotional readiness" of American kids, don't they? 🙂
Jacob Lopez2 Jacob Lopez2 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#835 ·
Jack Gray6 said:Our preschool psychologist suggested we delay enrollment. He mentioned he’s willing to draft a formal recommendation if we decide to go that route. I'm just a bit lost on the logistics here. Does anyone know who actually needs to see that paperwork? Should I hand it to the school doctor or the educational specialist during the testing phase? We have the school evaluations scheduled for April, followed by the pediatrician appointment in May.

It doesn't matter who you give it to because they all coordinate their findings and reach a consensus anyway. It's best to hold onto it until the end so it doesn't bias their initial assessment.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#836 ·
post about delays

this one is my favorite:
Quincy:
'Most parents say their child just isn't ready for school yet, but they can't really put their finger on why.'
I don't see the point of articles like this, other than having a catchy headline. They can't even fill the first-grade classes because there's such a massive shortage of teachers—we're talking dozens of vacancies—so, yeah, we aren't exactly handing out deferrals right now.
I mean, if a kid doesn't want to spend all their time practicing handwriting in first grade, the curriculum is actually being simplified anyway. Honestly, the way things are going this year, it just doesn't make sense...
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#837 ·
post about delays

this part is my favorite:
Quincy:
'Parents most often say their child isn't ready for school, yet they can't quite put their finger on why.'
I honestly don't see the point of these articles. It feels like they just write catchy headlines because they can't figure out how to fill those first-grade classrooms—especially with all these extra teachers we have lying around—so they just decide we won't be granting any more deferrals.
What if a kid just isn't feeling the whole "writing letters" thing in first grade? Since the curriculum is being simplified anyway, it really feels like nothing makes sense this year...
quietviper22 quietviper22 Member
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#838 ·
I’m pretty sure that about 90% of the time when parents fight tooth and nail to delay school—even after experts have basically said, "Look, this kid is ready"—it isn't actually about the kid. It’s about the parents. They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that their child is going to have to be responsible for themselves and won't have them hovering over them all day. Honestly? It's because they haven't taught them even the bare minimum of how to be independent. Nowadays, everyone is just terrified of everything; people want to keep their kids living under a freaking glass dome. They're scared the kid won't know how to cross the street, or they're panicking because the kid forgot an assignment, so they start breathing down the teacher's neck and making life miserable for them. Or maybe they're losing sleep over a grade that isn't an A. In most cases, the earlier they get started, the better they handle the workload. And obviously, I'm not talking about kids with actual developmental delays who legitimately need an extra year to get ready for the classroom.
nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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#839 ·
I’m not sure if these delays are because of shifting from age 6 to 7, or moving from 7 to 8. If it’s the former, I get it completely—though I can find some common ground with the latter too.

As far as I'm concerned, my kid isn't starting school at 6 (thankfully they were born in August, so I won't have to fight this battle), because there is absolutely no reason to rush.

It isn't about a lack of independence or capability; I simply see no point in the hurry. We aren't all retiring by 65 or even 67. There is plenty of time to get work done. Even if they start at 7, they'll have more than enough time to finish school, go to college if they want, get a career, and do their part.

If some teacher doesn't have enough students to fill a classroom, they can surely find another job in the market that fits their skills and education. My child is not going to be used just to fill up someone's teaching hours.

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David Palmer5 David Palmer5 Active Member
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#840 ·
nimblelynx7 said:I’m not sure if these delays are because of shifting from age 6 to 7, or moving from 7 to 8. If it’s the former, I get it completely—though I can find some common ground with the latter too.

As far as I'm concerned, my kid isn't starting school at 6 (thankfully they were born in August, so I won't have to fight this battle), because there is absolutely no reason to rush.

It isn't about a lack of independence or capability; I simply see no point in the hurry. We aren't all retiring by 65 or even 67. There is plenty of time to get work done. Even if they start at 7, they'll have more than enough time to finish school, go to college if they want, get a career, and do their part.

If some teacher doesn't have enough students to fill a classroom, they can surely find another job in the market that fits their skills and education. My child is not going to be used just to fill up someone's teaching hours.

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I don't really get the point of this comment. Your kid is going to start school when they're 7 anyway; nobody is forcing you to enroll them at 6, especially since they wouldn't even be legally required to be in school then.🤔
Actually, around here, kids usually don't even start school until they're at least 6 and a half, not 6.

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