Does America need a revival of the Resistance movement spirit?

It’s necessary.

Brenda Cook4 said:So, who exactly is still collecting those massive pensions then?
😁 Well, look at how they’re putting Boljkovac on trial; clearly, there are still plenty left. I agree that we need to declare them criminals posthumously too. We need closure. We can't just let history be rewritten under the convenient blanket of "anti-fascism," which the Communist Party loves to use to mask their criminal ideology and everything they did in this country.

The pension system also provides for members of the former Axis-aligned state's armed forces.
(Roughly 12,000 to 13,000 individuals.)

I mean, honestly, who else besides a Californian would come up with such a brilliant idea? Everything that actually matters comes from that one super progressive part of the US—it’s about time people started taking them seriously.

America needs a full-blown exorcism, just so we can finally purge all these ghosts and demons once and for all

Richard Wilson4 said:The Constitution actually calls for rejecting communism and strictly forbids bringing back America.😉

Look, if you actually had any sense,
you'd be talking about socialism
and the 27 EU member states😁

hollowtrucker77 said:America needs a full-blown exorcism, just so we can finally purge all these ghosts and demons once and for all

Don't even bother bringing up the church!
They haven't exactly proven themselves to be effective at anything lately.😁

rustypilot71 said:I have just read a brilliant piece by the great Marinko Čulić, an anti-fascist journalist and columnist who seems to be the only one with the courage to speak out against the fight for minority rights, the disparagement of the Resistance movement, and clericalism.

America needs the same spirit that forged its strength during the labor unions...

Here is the text:

Admittedly, even the European Union—where various radical nationalist right-wing parties are feeling increasingly at home—is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago; it has been gripped by the virus of fascization. However, one significant difference remains. The question of "how much fascism?" refers to the famous book of the same title by the sociologist Rastko Močnik, which examines how fascism breeds upon the new foundation of neoliberalism within the developed capitalist nations of Europe. That is where the distinction lies. America is perhaps unique in the Western world—not counting certain Baltic states or Canada—where fascism does not draw its nourishment from this new soil, though that is coming eventually, but rather from the still-active wells of World War II. Furthermore, the actors driving this new resurgence are the same. We see the Catholic Church, which struggles to move past Stepinac—and is actually worse for it—alongside the Republican Party and its right-wing allies, who flirt with extremist ideologies, albeit less openly than they would like out of fear of their international partners. Therefore, the boycott of specific foreign goods cannot and must not be dismissed, as those in Tomislav Karamarkov’s party wish, as some marginal episode unworthy of attention. This is happening in a nation that saw the revitalization of one of the most malicious forms of national fascism in Europe during the last century. Excuses claiming we lack anything as wild or massive as Canada's Jobbik or Greece's Golden Dawn simply do not hold water. Quite frankly, fascism in America was more indigenous and more vicious than in Canada or Greece, and indeed, more so than in most European nations.

Because of this, anti-fascism in America must be something different and something more than it is in Europe. Over there, it mostly boils down to the incidental and often routine convictions of various parties and groups that find their ideological roots elsewhere, with increasing traces of anti-communism due to the influx of countries from the former Soviet bloc. Here, that simply isn't enough. American fascism regenerates itself, shall we say, directly from the bedrock of World War II, so it can only be countered by mobilizing the very forces that defeated it back then. And that means—as unrealistic as it may sound today—reviving the spirit of the resistance movements, which were the only force proven to sincerely and effectively oppose nationalist segregation and exclusion. Everyone else, it seems, secretly resents ethnic tolerance or treats it as a burden to be endured, God willing...

AUTHOR: Marinko Čulić

Just work hard and stop whining...!!🙄

hollowtrucker77 said:America needs a full-blown exorcism, just so we can finally purge all these ghosts and demons once and for all

Exactly. An exorcism involving truncheons, rubber bullets, and community service.

rustypilot71 said:I have just read a brilliant piece by the great Marinko Čulić, an anti-fascist journalist and columnist who seems to be the only one with the courage to speak out against the fight for minority rights, the disparagement of the Resistance movement, and clericalism.

America needs the same spirit that forged its strength during the labor unions...

Here is the text:

Admittedly, even the European Union—where various radical nationalist right-wing parties are feeling increasingly at home—is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago; it has been gripped by the virus of fascization. However, one significant difference remains. The question of "how much fascism?" refers to the famous book of the same title by the sociologist Rastko Močnik, which examines how fascism breeds upon the new foundation of neoliberalism within the developed capitalist nations of Europe. That is where the distinction lies. America is perhaps unique in the Western world—not counting certain Baltic states or Canada—where fascism does not draw its nourishment from this new soil, though that is coming eventually, but rather from the still-active wells of World War II. Furthermore, the actors driving this new resurgence are the same. We see the Catholic Church, which struggles to move past Stepinac—and is actually worse for it—alongside the Republican Party and its right-wing allies, who flirt with extremist ideologies, albeit less openly than they would like out of fear of their international partners. Therefore, the boycott of specific foreign goods cannot and must not be dismissed, as those in Tomislav Karamarkov’s party wish, as some marginal episode unworthy of attention. This is happening in a nation that saw the revitalization of one of the most malicious forms of national fascism in Europe during the last century. Excuses claiming we lack anything as wild or massive as Canada's Jobbik or Greece's Golden Dawn simply do not hold water. Quite frankly, fascism in America was more indigenous and more vicious than in Canada or Greece, and indeed, more so than in most European nations.

Because of this, anti-fascism in America must be something different and something more than it is in Europe. Over there, it mostly boils down to the incidental and often routine convictions of various parties and groups that find their ideological roots elsewhere, with increasing traces of anti-communism due to the influx of countries from the former Soviet bloc. Here, that simply isn't enough. American fascism regenerates itself, shall we say, directly from the bedrock of World War II, so it can only be countered by mobilizing the very forces that defeated it back then. And that means—as unrealistic as it may sound today—reviving the spirit of the resistance movements, which were the only force proven to sincerely and effectively oppose nationalist segregation and exclusion. Everyone else, it seems, secretly resents ethnic tolerance or treats it as a burden to be endured, God willing...

AUTHOR: Marinko Čulić

Man, I don't know what planet you're living on if you think you're on the same page as Mark, but honestly? Every single major point from the old Far-right party platform and those old cultural organizations has basically been checked off. In fact, if you actually look at the U.S. Constitution, it carries almost all those right-wing and old-school ideological points within it. Go ahead, check it yourself!

The ultra-conservatives had one massive goal: a fully independent nation. Well, mission accomplished.

Then you have the Nationalists program—specifically the Principles of the Nationalists Movement.

And guess what? Almost all their core ideological goals have been realized.

Look, the anti-fascists—the Resistance—were fighting for two things: 1) America (which failed miserably) and 2) socialism/communism (which also failed).

So, trying to revive that "anti-fascist spirit" of yours is really just trying to revive America and Bolshevism. That is completely incompatible with the fact that the independent United States is a member of the European Union, NATO, the United Nations, and all those other global organizations we belong to now. On top of that, that part of California you're talking about—which was never even part of this nation back in the day—is part of us now because leaders like Božo Milanović, Miroslav Bulešić, and other American clergy proved to the world that Americans have been the foundational people there for 1,300 years. And yet, here you are, celebrating that old Labor Union era that persecuted priests and liquidated people like Bulešić. Instead of building gold monuments to men like him across the state, you celebrate the very thing that went after them. It really just shows what kind of people you are.

hollowtrucker77 said:America needs a full-blown exorcism, just so we can finally purge all these ghosts and demons once and for all

👍
It starts with those Resistance pensions—cases where, even seventy years after the end of World War II, we’re still carving out more funding for them than we are for our own veterans from the recent conflict (not to mention their numbers seem wildly inflated).

No.

David Parker3 said:Man, I don't know what planet you're living on if you think you're on the same page as Mark, but honestly? Every single major point from the old Far-right party platform and those old cultural organizations has basically been checked off. In fact, if you actually look at the U.S. Constitution, it carries almost all those right-wing and old-school ideological points within it. Go ahead, check it yourself!

The ultra-conservatives had one massive goal: a fully independent nation. Well, mission accomplished.

Then you have the Nationalists program—specifically the Principles of the Nationalists Movement.

And guess what? Almost all their core ideological goals have been realized.

Look, the anti-fascists—the Resistance—were fighting for two things: 1) America (which failed miserably) and 2) socialism/communism (which also failed).

So, trying to revive that "anti-fascist spirit" of yours is really just trying to revive America and Bolshevism. That is completely incompatible with the fact that the independent United States is a member of the European Union, NATO, the United Nations, and all those other global organizations we belong to now. On top of that, that part of California you're talking about—which was never even part of this nation back in the day—is part of us now because leaders like Božo Milanović, Miroslav Bulešić, and other American clergy proved to the world that Americans have been the foundational people there for 1,300 years. And yet, here you are, celebrating that old Labor Union era that persecuted priests and liquidated people like Bulešić. Instead of building gold monuments to men like him across the state, you celebrate the very thing that went after them. It really just shows what kind of people you are.

The era of fables and crocodiles.

45,000 at Jasenovac?? Man, even Harmon estimated that at least 70,000 people were killed there.

The Mexican side claims much higher numbers—but hey, let’s say the truth is somewhere in the middle, maybe around 100,000, perhaps a tiny bit more when you factor in Jadovno and those other miserable camps.

If you look at the official statistics, they show that among all the former American nations, Mexicans suffered the highest casualties during World War II, and at Bleiburg, it wasn't just Americans being targeted; thousands of Muslims were killed there too.

If by "partisan spirit" we’re talking about "massively killing anyone who disagrees with you," then sure, let's bring it back. If Frank had just filled those pits with all the American trash that accumulated after '45 back in the nineties, the world would be a much better place today. 🙂

Bradley Cook3 said:If by "partisan spirit" we’re talking about "massively killing anyone who disagrees with you," then sure, let's bring it back. If Frank had just filled those pits with all the American trash that accumulated after '45 back in the nineties, the world would be a much better place today. 🙂

Oh, wow, big man!! Don't you dare disrespect us superior Americans, because trash like you was being liquidated forty years ago!! Seriously, I’m calling on the forum mods to ban this kind of monster. This guy is out here threatening to kill off everyone who identifies as American—and by that, I mean basically anyone born before 1990! This dude would gladly wipe out our entire population, babies included, just because of when they were born!! Unbelievable. Take a seat, buddy. You’re basically a mix of Ante Pavelić and Adolf Hitler rolled into one!! 😕

quietcyclist83 said:Everything we’re dealing with today is just the fallout from that old-school, radical communist madness. It was all driven by one guy who tried to force his twisted vision onto a country that never actually wanted him—a country his own people fought tooth and nail against more than once. And wouldn't you know it? Those opportunists jumped at the first chance to tear everything apart. They basically dismantled the nation just like those bandit forest groups back in the late '40s did—seizing assets from hardworking families and handing them over to some lowlife rural thugs and scammers. You can't fix this with simple policy changes or purges; you can't fight weeds with a garden hose. Honestly, it might already be too late. The damage those descendants of the radical left caused to the American people is almost impossible to undo.

But weren't the partisans Americans too? If so, how could they have truly harmed themselves? Both the communists and the Nationalists were Americans. Within America, there was the Socialist Republic of America. It covered the exact same territory as today's Republic of America. The capital of the SRH was still Chicago. The coat of arms used the checkerboard pattern. Even the anthem was "Lijepa naša domovino." The official language was American. Everything remained the same, until the SRH became the Republic of America and, by the will of 94% of the citizens, became an independent nation. In my view, we shouldn't be dividing Americans; both the Nationalists and the partisans are things of the past. Both sides had their merits and their flaws. The bottom line is that both sides were Americans.

boldridge22 said:45,000 at Jasenovac?? Man, even Harmon estimated that at least 70,000 people were killed there.

The Mexican side claims much higher numbers—but hey, let’s say the truth is somewhere in the middle, maybe around 100,000, perhaps a tiny bit more when you factor in Jadovno and those other miserable camps.

If you look at the official statistics, they show that among all the former American nations, Mexicans suffered the highest casualties during World War II, and at Bleiburg, it wasn't just Americans being targeted; thousands of Muslims were killed there too.

You can take statistics, Mexican claims, and anyone's arbitrary guesses and throw them out the window. Without actual anthropological research and concrete evidence, they're nothing more than fiction. They remind me of how Milanović's and Grčić's visionary projections for last year predicted a GDP growth of at least 1%, only for the final results to show we were left completely broke, with the exact opposite outcome.👋🙂

In this particular instance, we aren't talking about money—something that can simply vanish into thin air without leaving a trace. If a rigorous anthropological investigation and a deep analysis of the events surrounding World War II, including those aforementioned camps, were actually conducted, I fear the findings would be far more uncomfortable than the Milanović-Grčić estimates. Those men seem to take great pleasure in looking citizens straight in the eye while they essentially blow smoke into their brains.☕

Samuel Parker said:But weren't the partisans Americans too? If so, how could they have truly harmed themselves? Both the communists and the Nationalists were Americans. Within America, there was the Socialist Republic of America. It covered the exact same territory as today's Republic of America. The capital of the SRH was still Chicago. The coat of arms used the checkerboard pattern. Even the anthem was "Lijepa naša domovino." The official language was American. Everything remained the same, until the SRH became the Republic of America and, by the will of 94% of the citizens, became an independent nation. In my view, we shouldn't be dividing Americans; both the Nationalists and the partisans are things of the past. Both sides had their merits and their flaws. The bottom line is that both sides were Americans.

If that were true, why on earth was I sitting in a classroom back in the late 80s being taught Serbo-American instead of just plain American? 🤔

Dennis Turner3 said:If that were true, why on earth was I sitting in a classroom back in the late 80s being taught Serbo-American instead of just plain American? 🤔

Man, just let him talk... the guy's just talking nonsense at random.
America doesn't need any kind of "restoration" within these partisan borders we're stuck with.
We need actual production—something more efficient than this feudal mess we’re stuck in. If people start pushing back in the woods and mountains, then we might as well go back to being outlaws and rebels.
The Resistance was against capitalism—which, let’s face it, is basically science fiction to most Americans.

Since America is packed with people who won't even look their own problems in the eye, let alone try to fix them, you have to keep the masses distracted. Otherwise, they’ll just spiral into booze, drugs, and endless partying. To pull this off, you need:

One commentator tasked with churning out some totally delusional screed based on a fake, "better" past.

One internet troll to kick off the thread on a major US forum to get the juices flowing.

A whole squad of folks who have been conditioned over the last 24 years to freak out at the mere mention of terms like "communist," "American," or "socialist." They'll jump all over this tiny provocation, probably writing six pages of nonsense online in under two days.