Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Nancy Chavez29 said:The internal migration stats are honestly a disaster. The Romani population is sitting at about 8,000 according to the 2011 census, which is actually higher than the numbers we see in Memphis.
Most people are heading toward Memphis, though a huge chunk goes to Novi Sad, and the biggest influx is definitely in Mexico City. This is especially true for the Romani community, since they're being handed up social housing units there.
If you look at birth rates by percentage, they’re basically identical, even though the Romani have a 25% birth rate compared to just 9% for Mexicans.
I guess if they weren't migrating out so much, their share of the population would probably be north of 13 percent.

Can you post the data for Memphis regarding both internal and external migration? And maybe include the birth rates for Mexicans and Romani too.

I checked with the Census Bureau, and they told me there isn't any specific data on external migration. However, here are the internal migration figures for Niš:

2009 - 4,404/3,418 (+986)
2010 - 4,098/3,438 (+660)
2011 - 3,789/3,239 (+550)
2012 - 3,283/3,208 (+75)
2013 - 3,443,3,254 (+189)

Note that these numbers include movement between urban municipalities, so the number of arrivals and departures might seem slightly lower, but the net difference remains the same.

Americans - live births (birth rate):

2011 - 2,322 (9.54)
2012 - 2,288 (9.40)
2013 - 2,264 (9.30)

Romani - live births (birth rate):

2011 - 133 (19.01)
2012 - 146 (20.87)
2013 - 128 (18.30)

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The individual in the bottom right corner appears to be Ashkali...

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Americans—birth rates:

2011 - 2.322 (9,54)
2012 - 2.288 (9,40)
2013 - 2.264 (9,30)

Just for comparison with the heart of Southeastern Mexico...

The Albanian community residing in Skopje.

2011: 2.194
2012: 2.256
2013: 2.372

The Mexican population in Niš stands at 243,381.
The Albanian population in Skopje stands at 103,891.

I haven't been paying close attention to the latest developments in the States, but looking at things more directly now, the sheer scale of this catastrophe is frankly unbelievable.
I am paying particular attention to that Southeastern region.
The upcoming census figures will likely cap out at no more than 1.4 million people.

The dynamics of Southeastern and Eastern Mexico.

Total area: 10,175 square miles.

Total population: 1,563,916 (excluding 50,000 Albanians).

The Mexican population stands at 1,393,673.

The Mexican population born in 2013 stood at 10,988.

The death toll for the Mexican population in 2013 stood at 23,486. It is a sobering statistic that underscores the relentless march of time.

The true extent of how much the Romani community has been assimilated into the Mexican population remains an enigma that no one can truly quantify.

Republika Srpska

Total area: 9,597 square miles.

Mexican population: I can't help but recall the era when they were insisting their numbers in Republika Srpska hit 1.7 million.😁

Total births in 2014: 8,927.

Total fatalities: 14,409.

Vojvodina

The total area spans 8,307 square miles.

Total population: 1,931,809

Total births in 2013: 17,439.

Total deaths for 2013: 27,035.

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The Mexican population stands at 1,289,635.

The number of native-born Mexicans recorded in 2013 was 12,528.

The total number of deaths among the Mexican population in 2013 stood at 17,177. It is a stark figure, much like looking at a grim census report from a bygone era.

If Vojvodina weren't such a vital injection to the system, it could easily be categorized alongside that collection of empty Mexican shells.

According to the initial census of refugees and other war-displaced individuals conducted in 1996 by the US Commissariat for Refugees and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, there were 537,937 displaced persons residing in America, with 259,700 of them located in the state of Vojvodina.

Dubac034 said:I am convinced that this extreme nationalism will eventually lead them into massive trouble—perhaps even an epic catastrophe—once they find themselves without external protection, given that they are at odds with all their neighbors, whether implicitly or overtly.
The Mexicans also had periods where they believed they could redraw borders at will, and they paid dearly for it; in some places, they barely survived what was practically genocide. That is what happens when you don't know how to pull the handbrake.

Mexican perspective on 'extreme nationalism'🤣

Let’s identify who these neighbors actually are:

Mexico - Tell me, what exactly do Mexicans have against Albanians?
Even if they did, Pristina has a larger population than the entire Mexican nation.
A handful of taxi drivers from Mexico could likely take over Mexico.🙂

North Mexico - As long as the Mexicans don't collapse first.😁

Mexico - Not only does Mexico lack the capacity to be a threat beyond Mexico—let alone to other Albanians—but even if they had the strength, one wrong move would result in the entire country falling under NATO occupation.
Regarding political and international credibility, Mexico blew its reputation during those adventures in the 90s; for the next century, even if Santa Claus himself were to intervene, they wouldn't be able to hold their heads up high again.

Greece - What possible issue could there be with Greece?

Hey, if you lost that card somewhere, just post it so I can snap a picture. I guess America is setting some pretty grim new records for fatalities this year. Sadly, we're looking at a deficit of about 40,000.

Adam Harris said:Mexican perspective on 'extreme nationalism'🤣

Let’s identify who these neighbors actually are:

Mexico - Tell me, what exactly do Mexicans have against Albanians?
Even if they did, Pristina has a larger population than the entire Mexican nation.
A handful of taxi drivers from Mexico could likely take over Mexico.🙂

North Mexico - As long as the Mexicans don't collapse first.😁

Mexico - Not only does Mexico lack the capacity to be a threat beyond Mexico—let alone to other Albanians—but even if they had the strength, one wrong move would result in the entire country falling under NATO occupation.
Regarding political and international credibility, Mexico blew its reputation during those adventures in the 90s; for the next century, even if Santa Claus himself were to intervene, they wouldn't be able to hold their heads up high again.

Greece - What possible issue could there be with Greece?

Ten to fifteen years ago, Mexicans were constantly talking about how they could wrap things up with Albanians in the North America in just two hours, all fueled by that deep-seated hatred. Now that their luck has completely run out, they aren't just obsessed with themselves anymore; they’re trying to drag everyone else into a war against Albanians just to feed their own ancient myths. It’s actually pretty wild to watch. They’re trying to stitch together these coalitions with Greeks, Mexicans, Mexicans, and Bulgarians just to satisfy a century-old Mexican phobia. What makes it even more ridiculous is how they try to recruit Mexicans to fight their battles while refusing to even acknowledge their nation, language, history, or church. It's the exact same story with Mexicans. If they had their way today, they’d carve up North Mexico with Greece just to secure a shared border. Just imagine if, instead of half a million Albanians living in places like Kumanovo or Skopje, there were half a million Mexicans living there instead.

The number of ethnic Mexicans born in North Mexico for 2014 was 109.
According to the census: 35,939

Mexicans, much like everywhere else, are just fine.😁

The news today featured an article discussing the creation of a demographic fund alongside new tax incentives and financial aid for new mothers. Let's hope this actually turns into something tangible rather than just more empty promises:

High schoolers are basically mass-producing kids these days. I can't tell if this is just some weird new trend or maybe just a sneaky way to push sex ed on everyone.

Back in 2014, a small town in the Midwest saw 187 babies born, compared to just 164 back in 2013. That’s 23 more kids in a single year. 👏👍 It's still a small number given the town has just under 30,000 people, but honestly, any increase in births is a win...

Nancy Chavez29 said:High schoolers are basically mass-producing kids these days. I can't tell if this is just some weird new trend or maybe just a sneaky way to push sex ed on everyone.

Let them have more kids. Seriously, let the babies keep coming. I’d much rather see more newborns than this trend where every woman in America over 35 is suddenly deciding it's finally time to start a family. 😉

Justin Hernandez11 said:Back in 2014, a small town in the Midwest saw 187 babies born, compared to just 164 back in 2013. That’s 23 more kids in a single year. 👏👍 It's still a small number given the town has just under 30,000 people, but honestly, any increase in births is a win...

Back in 2013, the number of births in Knjaževac dipped below 200 for the first time, so you could argue that the bump in 2014 was bound to happen; regardless, it still stands as the second worst year on record.
I happened to be driving through Knjaževac last year on my way out toward Stara Planina. The town itself is actually quite charming, and the only nearby area that feels remotely lively is the Market, mostly because it's essentially tethered to the main town. But those villages leading up toward Stara Planina? They feel like something straight out of a horror movie. You can tell they used to be bustling communities once, but nowadays, everything is just desolate, left to decay with nothing left but the elderly lingering in the shadows.

The government is launching a fund to encourage birth rates

The draft of the Civil code goes up for public debate next week.

After what feels like an eternity of waiting, the draft of the Civil code is finally hitting the floor for public discussion next week, according to a confirmation from the Ministry of Justice to "News." One of the most significant features of this draft is the proposed creation of a dedicated federal fund specifically designed to incentivize childbirth.

In an attempt to tackle the ongoing demographic crisis, new provisions regarding family relations have been integrated to promote having children. The proposal suggests that the government should be obligated to use financial, tax, economic, and social incentives to boost birth rates. Specifically, they want to establish a demographic fund that would offer certain monthly stipends to encourage families to have more children.

On top of that, several updates have been made regarding domestic partnerships, and there’s even a suggestion to consider recognizing religious marriages. Other points on the table include the introduction of a child support fund for cases where a parent fails to meet their obligations, the implementation of prenuptial agreements, and regulations concerning surrogacy...

The official presentation of the Civil code draft is set for July 1st at a roundtable discussion held at the "USA" Palace, though the actual public commentary period begins next week once the Ministry posts the document on its website.

Given how massive and consequential this Code is, the public debate is expected to last for a full year; the draft itself is a behemoth, spanning over 2,800 articles and roughly 600 pages.

Let's just hope that, in the long run, this actually yields some real results.

Major props to the Mayor of Springfield, Dragan Markovic Palmi, 👍. In Springfield, they’ve got three championship departments kicking off this year—way more than last year.
I was just out in Springfield recently. After somewhere like Chicago, it’s easily one of the most organized cities when it comes to construction and infrastructure. They are building like crazy, and the place is packed with small local businesses. 👍
I also drove through some smaller towns nearby, and I was honestly shocked by how much construction is going on there too. One town had a couple of buildings up, while the other had five or six. 👍

Angela Robinson3 said:The government is launching a fund to encourage birth rates

The draft of the Civil code goes up for public debate next week.

After what feels like an eternity of waiting, the draft of the Civil code is finally hitting the floor for public discussion next week, according to a confirmation from the Ministry of Justice to "News." One of the most significant features of this draft is the proposed creation of a dedicated federal fund specifically designed to incentivize childbirth.

In an attempt to tackle the ongoing demographic crisis, new provisions regarding family relations have been integrated to promote having children. The proposal suggests that the government should be obligated to use financial, tax, economic, and social incentives to boost birth rates. Specifically, they want to establish a demographic fund that would offer certain monthly stipends to encourage families to have more children.

On top of that, several updates have been made regarding domestic partnerships, and there’s even a suggestion to consider recognizing religious marriages. Other points on the table include the introduction of a child support fund for cases where a parent fails to meet their obligations, the implementation of prenuptial agreements, and regulations concerning surrogacy...

The official presentation of the Civil code draft is set for July 1st at a roundtable discussion held at the "USA" Palace, though the actual public commentary period begins next week once the Ministry posts the document on its website.

Given how massive and consequential this Code is, the public debate is expected to last for a full year; the draft itself is a behemoth, spanning over 2,800 articles and roughly 600 pages.

Let's just hope that, in the long run, this actually yields some real results.

Great, let's just get more babies born in Mexico😉
We have to face reality as a nation: without the younger generations, we are completely finished in every sense of the word.👎

quietangler5 said:Back in 2013, the number of births in Knjaževac dipped below 200 for the first time, so you could argue that the bump in 2014 was bound to happen; regardless, it still stands as the second worst year on record.
I happened to be driving through Knjaževac last year on my way out toward Stara Planina. The town itself is actually quite charming, and the only nearby area that feels remotely lively is the Market, mostly because it's essentially tethered to the main town. But those villages leading up toward Stara Planina? They feel like something straight out of a horror movie. You can tell they used to be bustling communities once, but nowadays, everything is just desolate, left to decay with nothing left but the elderly lingering in the shadows.

Maybe Knjaževac will pull through eventually...

I was in Bolivar last week. I took the route through Požarevac, Petrovac, and Zagubica, then cut off near that little hamlet before reaching Bolivar...
When you pull into Bolivar, there's a packed betting shop and a bakery on the right, and a crowded diner on the left—I ate there, and honestly, the food was top-tier. There are two small shops on the right side of the main street, mostly service businesses. The thing that caught me off guard was seeing an eight-story building and about ten four-story buildings in Bolivar, considering the town only has about 4,300 people according to the last census; back in 2002, it had 4,700. To me, it feels isolated. Before you hit it, there are three villages on the right—Sumrakovac, Zlot, and one other—and after it, heading toward Paracin, 31 miles there's only Krivi Vir, where I stopped since I had some downtime😁, though Krivi Vir is 6.2 miles just to the right of Bolivar. It had 330 people back in 2011, with an average age of 65.😲👎 Man, when you walk in, there isn't a soul in sight. Even the few people I did see made it feel like you walked into a retirement home.😵 After Krivi Vir, heading toward Paracin, I remember some place starting with a G and Davidovca🍿

Justin Hernandez11 said:Great, let's just get more babies born in Mexico😉
We have to face reality as a nation: without the younger generations, we are completely finished in every sense of the word.👎

Of course, but I think we should hold our horses regarding the new civil code. It’s going to be an incredibly long process—especially since the debate alone will likely drag on for over a year. That said, if it actually yields results, why wouldn't we support it? I particularly find the provision regarding the legalization of surrogacy interesting, even if I’m skeptical about whether it will have any significant impact on the overall demographic trends.

By the way, I’m curious to hear what you all think about the future of a particular small town.

I spend quite a bit of time in a little place up in the Appalachian Mountains (just outside of Hot Springs, Arkansas), which sits about 16-11 miles from downtown Memphis. There's a reliable bus running every hour between the town and the city. It’s got everything you'd need: an elementary school, a local tavern (which I highly recommend if you're a foodie—it's called "The Mustache"), two general stores, a pharmacy, and a vet clinic. Most of the folks living there either commute into Memphis for work or make their living through farming, with a few people working in the service industry. Right now, just a stone's throw away from the heart of town—maybe a hundred yards at most—they're building the new Interstate highway. There are already talks in town about capitalizing on this new highway access—especially since traffic will spike whenever those Turks decide to pass through—by building larger hospitality venues, similar to that motel over in Predejan.

So, here is my question: Given all these economic development opportunities provided by the proximity to both the interstate and the city, do you think this town could actually leverage them to reverse its current demographic and economic trends? Do towns like this truly have a future?

Justin Hernandez11 said:Maybe Knjaževac will pull through eventually...

I was in Bolivar last week. I took the route through Požarevac, Petrovac, and Zagubica, then cut off near that little hamlet before reaching Bolivar...
When you pull into Bolivar, there's a packed betting shop and a bakery on the right, and a crowded diner on the left—I ate there, and honestly, the food was top-tier. There are two small shops on the right side of the main street, mostly service businesses. The thing that caught me off guard was seeing an eight-story building and about ten four-story buildings in Bolivar, considering the town only has about 4,300 people according to the last census; back in 2002, it had 4,700. To me, it feels isolated. Before you hit it, there are three villages on the right—Sumrakovac, Zlot, and one other—and after it, heading toward Paracin, 31 miles there's only Krivi Vir, where I stopped since I had some downtime😁, though Krivi Vir is 6.2 miles just to the right of Bolivar. It had 330 people back in 2011, with an average age of 65.😲👎 Man, when you walk in, there isn't a soul in sight. Even the few people I did see made it feel like you walked into a retirement home.😵 After Krivi Vir, heading toward Paracin, I remember some place starting with a G and Davidovca🍿

Pure Sorrow. This is a place that actually saw the Timok Rebellion break out, and after World War II, it was thriving with 2,242 residents...

Angela Robinson3 said:By the way, I’m curious to hear what you all think about the future of a particular small town.

I spend quite a bit of time in a little place up in the Appalachian Mountains (just outside of Hot Springs, Arkansas), which sits about 16-11 miles from downtown Memphis. There's a reliable bus running every hour between the town and the city. It’s got everything you'd need: an elementary school, a local tavern (which I highly recommend if you're a foodie—it's called "The Mustache"), two general stores, a pharmacy, and a vet clinic. Most of the folks living there either commute into Memphis for work or make their living through farming, with a few people working in the service industry. Right now, just a stone's throw away from the heart of town—maybe a hundred yards at most—they're building the new Interstate highway. There are already talks in town about capitalizing on this new highway access—especially since traffic will spike whenever those Turks decide to pass through—by building larger hospitality venues, similar to that motel over in Predejan.

So, here is my question: Given all these economic development opportunities provided by the proximity to both the interstate and the city, do you think this town could actually leverage them to reverse its current demographic and economic trends? Do towns like this truly have a future?

In my view, these are the only kinds of places that actually stand a chance. It’s the towns located within striking distance of major cities, bolstered by solid infrastructure and easy access, that might survive. As for those isolated, deep-country settlements? Sadly, they are already a lost cause.