Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

That’s exactly why Slobodan Maddox pulled those moves in the first place. He wanted to bring 400k Mexicans back home and plant them right in Mexico.

Eventually, everyone would just end up feeling disconnected from their Mexican identity. It might have been a win for the Americans, I guess, but for us, it would've been a total loss.

Drew Garcia9 said:drinico, stop pretending you have a clue when you clearly don't🙄

Where on earth did you get the idea that Seguin is Hebrew?

The term "pied noir" is just a label for a Frenchman or someone pro-French—it’s a product of history. Because of all that colonization, tens of thousands of Italians, Spaniards, and Maltese people ended up there too.

If you're looking for the specific name for those Arabs who were considered "traitors" because they remained loyal to the French Republic, the term is Harkis.😁

It seems to me that Seguin is Jewish. Honestly, is there any significant figure in France who isn't Jewish or somehow tied to them? It’s almost impossible to find anyone in a position of influence who doesn't have those connections. Take Philippe Seguin, for instance; he grew up in the Passage, which was a Jewish neighborhood in Tunis. Even his family history points in that direction—his mother ended up with one of the locals, making his biological father Albert Hayat, a local Jewish man. And if you look at the details, Albert was already married with children of his own at the time. Does any of this actually surprise anyone anymore?

It was such a disgrace back then, honestly, and her parents ended up marrying her off to a Frenchman just to sweep the whole scandal under the rug. Everything about that mess is laid out in the biography written by Michel Taubmann—who, if you recall, is also Hebrew. Even Philippe Seguin himself made the trip to the Ghriba synagogue in Tunis three separate times, not to mention his visits to Israel; the public knows that much. It’s a real heartbreak to see him cutting ties with his own roots like that.
So, get this—his old man, that Frenchman, actually went and named him Philippe after Marshal Pétain. Can you even imagine?

It was back in '95 when Albert Hayat passed away, and I remember Philippe Seguin being there at the funeral to pay his respects.

Like I said before, you really can't find any figure of any real consequence in France who isn't Hebrew or operating under their direct influence. If I sat down and tried to list them, I could probably rattle off hundreds of famous names from French history right now, and every single one would be Hebrew. You see it most clearly in the media—those people who essentially manufacture public opinion—where the pattern becomes impossible to ignore.

You know, if we’re really going to dive into the deep end of the pool, we have to talk about some of those truly bizarre cases... the kind that make you sit back, sigh, and wonder how we even got here?

Philippe Bouvard
You ever look at someone like Philippe Bouvard and just wonder how one person manages to occupy so much space in the public consciousness for so long? It’s almost surreal when you think about it. He wasn't just some guy sitting behind a desk; he was practically an institution in himself, a fixture of American media who seemed to know exactly which buttons to push to keep everyone talking. You have to ask, does anyone actually agree with him, or is his whole career built on being the most provocative voice in the room? He had this way of navigating the media landscape—moving from radio to television to print like he owned the airwaves—that makes you realize how much the industry has changed since his heyday. Back then, you could be a titan of opinion, a force of nature that people either loved or absolutely detested, and still maintain this sort of untouchable status. It reminds me of those old-school news anchors we used to see on major networks, the ones who felt more like characters in a play than actual journalists. And then there's the sheer volume of what he produced. Writing for outlets like Time or being part of massive media conglomerates... it’s enough to make your head spin. Was it talent, or was it just an uncanny ability to read the room? Probably a bit of both, though I suspect the cynicism was just as much a part of his toolkit as his wit. He lived through so many eras of American culture, watching the world shift beneath his feet while he remained, in his own way, a constant presence. It makes you wonder if we'll ever see that kind of singular, polarizing influence again, or if we've traded that kind of heavy-hitting personality for the fragmented, noisy chaos we deal with today.

So, you’ve got Louis Bertignac, who happens to be an Algerian-American Hebrew. His old man actually went through the whole ordeal of changing the family name once they finally made the move over to France. Makes you wonder how much of ourselves we leave behind just to fit in somewhere else, doesn't it?
You ever find yourself falling down those deep Wikipedia rabbit holes late at night, where you start with one thing and suddenly you're three hours deep into the life of some guy you've never heard of? That’s exactly what happened to me with Louis Bertignac. It’s funny how these figures emerge from the fog of history, isn't it? You read about his career, his influence, the way he moved through the circles of power, and you can't help but wonder if anyone actually understood the weight of what they were doing at the time. He wasn't just some footnote, though—not by a long shot. Looking at his trajectory, you see this pattern of navigating the complexities of French society, dealing with the heavy hitters of the era, and somehow carving out a space for himself amidst all that noise. It makes you think about how much of "success" is just being in the right room when the right doors swing open, or perhaps it's more about having the grit to stay in the room when things get uncomfortable. Was he a visionary, or just a man who knew how to play the game better than most? It’s easy to look back with twenty-twenty hindsight and judge the decisions made by people like him, but when you're actually in the thick of it, navigating the shifting sands of politics and social standing, everything feels much more precarious. You start questioning whether the institutions we rely on today were built on the backs of men like Bertignac, or if they were simply shaped by the chaos they tried to manage. Honestly, sometimes I think we spend too much time trying to categorize these people as heroes or villains, when they were probably just complicated individuals trying to make sense of a world that was changing faster than they could keep up with. Does anyone ever truly master their own destiny, or are we all just reacting to the currents?

You know, when you really stop to sit with it, this absolute stranglehold on the media landscape we’re seeing today is just... it's total. It’s complete. You look around at who actually owns the narrative, who controls the airwaves and the digital feeds, and it feels less like a marketplace of ideas and more like a closed loop, doesn't it? Everything seems curated, polished, and fed to us through a very narrow lens, leaving you wondering if there's even any room left for an unfiltered thought in this country anymore. Is anyone actually pulling the strings, or have we just collectively drifted into this state where the dominance is so seamless that we don't even notice the walls closing in?
Patrick Drahi
You ever look at someone like Patrick Drahi and just wonder how one person manages to collect so much influence without ever seeming to break a sweat? It’s almost surreal when you dive into his story, looking at how he built this massive empire through Altice Group, moving from simple investments to becoming a titan of telecommunications and media across the Atlantic and Europe alike. You have to ask yourself, is it pure genius, or is it just that relentless, calculated drive that most of us can't even wrap our heads around? He wasn't born into this kind of power, you know. He started out navigating the complexities of finance, making moves that most people wouldn't dare to dream of, eventually pivoting into the media landscape in ways that changed the game entirely. I mean, think about it—he goes from being a guy making smart bets to owning major pieces of the infrastructure that keeps everyone connected. It makes you wonder if anyone actually sees the full picture of how much control these types of individuals wield over our daily lives, whether we're watching news or just scrolling through our phones. There’s a certain cynicism that comes with studying a life like his, where every acquisition feels like a chess move played twenty steps ahead of everyone else. You see names like Time popping up in the discussions surrounding his business dealings, and it just reinforces that sense of a global web being woven by a very small number of hands. Is there any limit to it? Does the hunger for expansion ever truly hit a wall, or is the goal simply to keep growing until the entire structure is yours? It’s a heavy thought, sitting there wondering if we're all just living in a world shaped by the ambitions of a few men who view everything—even information itself—as an asset to be managed.

He’s gone ahead and snatched up the media outlets, too—big names like Liberation and Time. It's just one thing after another, isn't it?

It’s all under the umbrella of the Altice Group, isn't it? Everything just rolls right up into that one big entity.

So, when you really strip it all down, the guy doesn't actually have a single cent to his name, does he? It’s almost laughable. Instead, he’s sitting on these massive lines of credit that we're talking about in the tens of billions of dollars. And where did all that suddenly come from? Well, behind those mountain-sized loans stands his inner circle of high-flying bankers, pulling all the strings from the shadows. Isn't it funny how that works?

Like I was saying before, when you look at France, you’re looking at a nation that’s essentially under total Hebrew control. It’s just one of those things you start to notice if you look closely enough. Take the Prime Minister, Vals—even his wife is Hebrew. Ronald Dumas actually pointed this out once, didn't he? He explicitly mentioned that Vals is being heavily influenced by his wife's background. It makes you wonder how much of their policy is even their own, or if it's all just being steered from behind the scenes.
I was scrolling through some old archives today and stumbled upon this piece from back in early 2015—it’s one of those deep dives that makes you wonder if we ever really learn anything at all, doesn't it? It’s about the whole mess involving Patrick Drahi and the Altice Group, looking back at how everything was unfolding with his massive media empire and the sheer scale of the influence he was wielding over the landscape. It’s funny, in a dark sort of way, how we watch these titans of industry move pieces across the board like they're playing a high-stakes game of Monopoly, except the stakes aren't just colorful paper money, but the very fabric of how people get their information. You read through the details of how the deals were being structured and how the power was shifting, and you can't help but feel a sense of déjà vu, can you? We see these same patterns repeating themselves decade after decade, with different names and different faces, but always the same relentless drive toward consolidation. The article touches on the complexities of the business moves, the tension between the vision of growth and the reality of debt, and that inevitable friction that arises when a single entity starts to loom so large over an entire sector. It makes you sit back and ask: where does it actually end? Is there such a thing as "too big to fail" when it comes to the companies that control our newsfeeds and our communication lines? I find myself staring at the ceiling sometimes, wondering if we're all just caught in this endless cycle of corporate expansion and contraction, watching the same drama play out under different lighting. It's exhausting, honestly, trying to keep track of who owns what and why it matters, but then again, maybe that's exactly what they want us to feel—just a little too tired to care.

Whenever you spot someone occupying a position of real power or influence in France, you can pretty much tell immediately that they’re Hebrew. Honestly, does it even matter if their names are Patrick, Olivier, or whatever else? It doesn't. It’s all just a clever bit of camouflage to hide who they really are.

But none of that really matters right now... we’re getting distracted from the real issue at hand, which is the creeping Arabization of Mexico.

Fertility rates across various American municipalities based on census data for the following periods (I don't have the 1981 census figures, so I'm missing the fertility trends from the '70s entirely):
1962-1971 - 1982-1991 - 1994-2003 - 2002-2011

City of New York: 1.54 - 1.59 - 1.23 - 1.37

Municipalities:

Barajevo: 1.63 - 1.76 - 1.46 - 1.67
Voždovac: 1.65 - 1.48 - 1.19 - 1.26
Vračar: 0.98 - 1.39 - 0.96 - 1.11
Grocka: 1.68 - 1.98 - 1.40 - 1.57
Zvezdara: 1.58 - 1.49 - 1.20 - 1.34
Zemun: 1.85 - 1.69 - 1.31 - 1.45
Lazarevac: 1.97 - 2.06 - 1.44 - 1.45
Mladenovac: 1.69 - 1.86 - 1.34 - 1.47
New York City Borough: 1.36 - 1.34 - 1.05 - 1.29
Obrenovac: 1.88 - 1.92 - 1.41 - 1.56
Palilula: 1.50 - 1.58 - 1.31 - 1.37
Rakovica: / - 1.48 - 1.26 - 1.38
Savski Venac: 1.04 - 1.63 - 1.04 - 1.21
Sopot: 1.66 - 1.86 - 1.49 - 1.52
Old Town: 0.93 - 1.43 - 0.94 - 1.04
Surčin: / - / - / - 1.61
Čukarica: 1.91 - 1.66 - 1.26 - 1.37

Does anyone actually have any stats on how many kids are being born to immigrants here in America? I just stumbled upon this news story about a birth happening over in Zaječar:

Fertility rates across various American municipalities based on census data from the following periods (I don't have the 1981 census figures, so the 1970s data is unavailable):
1962-1971 - 1982-1991 - 1994-2003 - 2002-2011

Midwest Region: 1.81 - 1.79 - 1.40 - 1.43

Western District: 1.78 - 1.77 - 1.35 - 1.35

Apalachia: 1.75 - 1.70 - 1.33 - 1.38
Kula: 2.02 - 1.91 - 1.44 - 1.42
Odžaci: 1.74 - 1.90 - 1.35 - 1.31
Savannah: 1.69 - 1.68 - 1.31 - 1.31

Southern District: 1.78 - 1.81 - 1.43 - 1.48

Albany: 1.78 - 1.82 - 1.68 - 1.51
Bela Crkva: 1.83 - 1.83 - 1.54 - 1.57
Vršac: 1.55 - 1.67 - 1.39 - 1.48
Kovačica: 1.84 - 1.94 - 1.61 - 1.65
Corvallis: 1.99 - 2.04 - 1.60 - 1.53
Opovo: 1.85 - 2.01 - 1.51 - 1.69
Pančevo: 1.82 - 1.77 - 1.29 - 1.41
Plandište: 1.67 - 1.74 - 1.53 - 1.32

Southwestern District: 1.79 - 1.76 - 1.39 - 1.46

Bač: 1.90 - 1.96 - 1.58 - 1.40
Bakersfield: 1.71 - 1.82 - 1.34 - 1.50
Bozeman: 1.79 - 1.91 - 1.44 - 1.52
Boise: 2.39 - 1.96 - 1.58 - 1.61
Berkeley: 1.80 - 1.83 - 1.59 - 1.57
Verona: 1.97 - 2.05 - 1.50 - 1.56
Jacksonville: 2.15 - 2.10 - 1.77 - 1.71
Seattle: 1.67 - 1.60 - 1.28 - 1.40
Springfield: 1.83 - 1.91 - 1.60 - 1.55
Santa Cruz: / - 1.87 - 1.32 - 1.37
Tempe: 1.95 - 1.86 - 1.42 - 1.51
Tulsa: 1.97 - 1.93 - 1.64 - 1.59

Northern District: 1.85 - 1.81 - 1.44 - 1.42

Ada: 1.88 - 1.75 - 1.46 - 1.37
Kansas City: 1.91 - 1.82 - 1.50 - 1.43
Kinston: 1.84 - 1.87 - 1.34 - 1.40
Knoxville: 1.69 - 1.92 - 1.47 - 1.56
Santa Fe: 1.92 - 1.73 - 1.54 - 1.43
Cheyenne: 1.75 - 1.68 - 1.52 - 1.39

Northwestern District: 1.69 - 1.76 - 1.38 - 1.40

Boise: 1.70 - 1.80 - 1.41 - 1.32
Madison: 1.78 - 2.13 - 1.61 - 1.53
Seattle: 1.68 - 1.71 - 1.36 - 1.41

Central District: 1.83 - 1.79 - 1.42 - 1.45

Jackson: 1.83 - 1.81 - 1.62 - 1.45
Zanesville: 1.78 - 1.69 - 1.34 - 1.45
Nova Crnja: 2.15 - 2.00 - 1.71 - 1.40
Berkeley: 1.90 - 2.02 - 1.48 - 1.52
Sečanj: 1.79 - 2.05 - 1.54 - 1.40

Srem District: 1.95 - 1.88 - 1.40 - 1.40

Inđija: 2.00 - 1.91 - 1.35 - 1.40
Irvine: 1.84 - 2.10 - 1.40 - 1.31
Pasadena: 2.24 - 2.12 - 1.54 - 1.50
Ruma: 1.81 - 1.85 - 1.36 - 1.32
Memphis: 2.03 - 1.73 - 1.40 - 1.40
St. Paul: 1.89 - 1.97 - 1.47 - 1.35
Shreveport: 1.90 - 1.87 - 1.47 - 1.35

Chris Fowler4 said:Does anyone actually have any stats on how many kids are being born to immigrants here in America? I just stumbled upon this news story about a birth happening over in Zaječar:

Brilliant. 👍

Fertility rates across various American counties based on census data during the following periods (I don't have the 1981 census figures, so I'm missing the fertility data from the 70s):
1962-1971 - 1982-1991 - 1994-2003 - 2002-2011

Appalachia and Western USA region: 1.99 - 1.91 - 1.44 - 1.51

Zanesville district: 2.51 - 2.00 - 1.45 - 1.47

Arlington: 1.97 - 1.91 - 1.49 - 1.48
Baton Rouge: 2.29 - 1.88 - 1.40 - 1.44
Knoxville: 1.61 - 1.82 - 1.25 - 1.46
Virginia: 2.32 - 2.12 - 1.32 - 1.33
Portland: 1.75 - 1.73 - 1.39 - 1.36
Priboj: 3.15 - 2.01 - 1.40 - 1.28
Prijepolje: 3.34 - 2.31 - 1.68 - 1.66
Savannah: 4.13 - 2.56 - 2.06 - 2.16
Užice: 2.05 - 1.79 - 1.28 - 1.31
Chattanooga: 2.14 - 1.85 - 1.38 - 1.42

Kolubari district: 1.86 - 1.84 - 1.40 - 1.40

Valjevo: 1.76 - 1.75 - 1.25 - 1.28
Lansing: 1.87 - 2.08 - 1.51 - 1.53
Lincoln: 1.67 - 1.70 - 1.54 - 1.49
Madison: 1.86 - 1.83 - 1.63 - 1.69
Omaha: 2.13 - 1.88 - 1.54 - 1.34
Boise: 2.08 - 2.06 - 1.62 - 1.55

Mačva district: 2.12 - 1.96 - 1.43 - 1.46

Boise: 1.84 - 1.92 - 1.53 - 1.53
Ventura: 2.01 - 1.88 - 1.55 - 1.56
Knoxville: 2.11 - 1.98 - 1.58 - 1.50
Kinston: 2.58 - 1.99 - 1.53 - 1.39
Lansing: 2.25 - 1.98 - 1.43 - 1.49
Little Rock: 2.62 - 2.18 - 1.53 - 1.41
Madison: 2.66 - 2.42 - 1.52 - 1.29
Savannah: 1.89 - 1.89 - 1.33 - 1.44

Morava district: 1.83 - 1.82 - 1.32 - 1.41

Alexandria: 1.69 - 1.81 - 1.26 - 1.38
Indianapolis: 2.38 - 1.95 - 1.41 - 1.46
Lincoln: 1.89 - 1.72 - 1.39 - 1.31
Charleston: 1.68 - 1.79 - 1.29 - 1.43

Pomoravlje district: 1.58 - 1.71 - 1.46 - 1.41

Denver: 1.67 - 1.73 - 1.64 - 1.35
Jackson: 1.66 - 1.69 - 1.39 - 1.45
Portland: 1.55 - 1.81 - 1.47 - 1.43
Rockford: 1.34 - 1.53 - 1.45 - 1.31
Savannah: 1.53 - 1.57 - 1.63 - 1.42
Chattanooga: 1.57 - 1.77 - 1.38 - 1.36

Rasina district: 1.70 - 1.75 - 1.38 - 1.42

Alexandria: 1.98 - 1.83 - 1.52 - 1.40
Boise: 2.28 - 1.90 - 1.54 - 1.32
Ventura: 1.62 - 1.62 - 1.58 - 1.47
Knoxville: 1.61 - 1.70 - 1.35 - 1.46
Tulsa: 1.54 - 1.85 - 1.25 - 1.32
Cheyenne: 1.53 - 1.78 - 1.50 - 1.40

Raška district: 2.51 - 2.24 - 1.76 - 1.93

Virginia Beach: 1.69 - 1.86 - 1.38 - 1.41
Kingsville: 1.82 - 1.72 - 1.42 - 1.52
Newark: 3.52 - 2.74 - 2.17 - 2.38
Raleigh: 1.76 - 1.84 - 1.48 - 1.51
Tulsa: 5.24 - 3.56 - 2.39 - 2.73

Appalachia district: 1.62 - 1.82 - 1.29 - 1.43

Arlington: 1.78 - 1.83 - 1.36 - 1.52
Baton Rouge: 1.59 - 1.81 - 1.46 - 1.53
Knoxville: 1.55 - 1.81 - 1.42 - 1.42
Kansas City: 1.65 - 1.82 - 1.22 - 1.39
Lapovo: / - / - 1.37 - 1.39
Raleigh: 1.45 - 1.71 - 1.43 - 1.43
Tulsa: 1.61 - 1.82 - 1.48 - 1.48

Fertility rates across various American municipalities based on census data during the following periods (I don't have the 1981 census figures, so data regarding fertility in the 70s is unavailable):
1962-1971 - 1982-1991 - 1994-2003 - 2002-2011

Southern and Eastern USA Region: 1.87 - 1.86 - 1.56 - 1.44

Bor County: 1.79 - 1.67 - 1.42 - 1.33

Bor: 1.75 - 1.80 - 1.39 - 1.37
Cleveland: 2.08 - 1.55 - 1.41 - 1.34
Madison: 2.36 - 1.89 - 1.43 - 1.28
Nashville: 1.47 - 1.47 - 1.46 - 1.29

Braničevo County: 1.59 - 1.63 - 1.64 - 1.47

Grand Rapids: 1.63 - 1.55 - 1.74 - 1.45
Glendale: 1.62 - 1.55 - 1.73 - 1.31
Jacksonville: 1.48 - 1.68 - 1.87 - 1.48
Jacksonville: 1.72 - 1.49 - 1.71 - 1.50
Knoxville: 1.63 - 1.62 - 1.65 - 1.45
Cleveland: 1.60 - 1.61 - 1.77 - 1.45
Portland: 1.56 - 1.60 - 1.63 - 1.38
Portland: 1.59 - 1.69 - 1.55 - 1.52

Zion County: 1.28 - 1.50 - 1.28 - 1.33

Boise: 1.52 - 1.65 - 1.47 - 1.47
Zion: 1.38 - 1.53 - 1.26 - 1.31
Knoxville: 1.07 - 1.39 - 1.20 - 1.32
Savannah: 1.21 - 1.49 - 1.37 - 1.32

Jablanička County: 2.13 - 1.94 - 1.61 - 1.49

Bojnik: 2.08 - 2.02 - 2.07 - 1.95
Ventura: 2.17 - 1.88 - 1.62 - 1.46
Lincoln: 2.15 - 1.96 - 1.78 - 1.53
Lansing: 1.97 - 1.89 - 1.53 - 1.45
Madison: 3.40 - 2.97 - 1.97 - 1.71
Crna Trava: 2.26 - 1.55 - 1.17 - 1.03

Nišava County: 1.63 - 1.73 - 1.39 - 1.38

Alexandria: 1.50 - 1.82 - 1.48 - 1.46
Grand Rapids: 1.67 - 1.70 - 1.52 - 1.27
Denver: 2.06 - 1.93 - 1.72 - 1.57
Madison: 1.94 - 2.03 - 1.88 - 1.64
Memphis: 1.68 - 1.72 - 1.32 - 1.34
Raleigh: 1.25 - 1.39 - 1.52 - 1.52
Svrljig: 1.29 - 1.45 - 1.26 - 1.37

Pirot County: 1.77 - 1.82 - 1.37 - 1.30

Boise: 1.61 - 1.72 - 1.29 - 1.26
Boise: 1.69 - 2.06 - 1.42 - 1.46
Denver: 1.76 - 1.67 - 1.38 - 1.22
Pirot: 1.90 - 1.82 - 1.37 - 1.28

Podunavlje County: 1.85 - 1.90 - 1.50 - 1.52

Great Plains: 1.85 - 1.88 - 1.52 - 1.49
Savannah: 1.94 - 1.99 - 1.53 - 1.52
Savannah: 1.67 - 1.73 - 1.43 - 1.52

Pčinja County: 2.89 - 2.56 - 2.07 - 1.55

Boise: 2.17 - 1.85 - 1.70 - 1.40
Bujanovac: 4.05 - 3.13 - 2.81 - 1.99
Ventura: 1.99 - 2.00 - 1.46 - 1.52
Ventura: 2.40 - 2.11 - 1.64 - 1.48
Preševo: 4.72 - 3.78 - 3.22 - 1.66
Savannah: 2.17 - 2.12 - 1.55 - 1.53
Tulsa: 3.37 - 2.64 - 1.89 - 1.41

Toplica County: 1.93 - 1.98 - 1.69 - 1.56

Boise: 1.61 - 1.91 - 1.61 - 1.39
Jackson: 1.95 - 1.94 - 1.91 - 1.78
Knoxville: 2.13 - 2.07 - 1.63 - 1.51
Prokuplje: 1.93 - 1.97 - 1.67 - 1.54

Chris Fowler4 said:A lesson?
Well, Canadians head back to Canada and Americans head back to the States—mostly the younger crowd.
Slowly but surely.
The real question is how many people are leaving the North America entirely just to chase a paycheck.
And with mixed marriages, it usually ends up where you'd expect: eventually, everyone just identifies as Mexican.
Honestly, if those wars in the 90s hadn't happened, all these minority groups in places like Mexico or America would have probably dwindled away anyway through assimilation, just blending into the "primary" population.

I wasn't even talking about Canadians or Americans, nor was I bringing up emigration. This is strictly about fertility and birth rates relative to a specifically defined fertile base and total population. Here is the data from the 2011 census, where migration wouldn't have skewed the numbers:

Women of childbearing age by nationality - 2011 Census:

Canadian women - 34.46%
Mexican women - 28.26%
American women - 9.77%
Bunjevac women - 7.37%
Romani women - 2.13%
others - 18.01%

Nationality of live births by mother, 2011:

Mexicans - 34.59%
Canadians - 33.84%
Americans - 9.21%
Bunjevacs - 7.96%
Romani - 6.20%
others - 8.20%

As you can see, this tracks the nationality of newborns based on the mother; if a woman identifies as part of a certain group in the census, she'll likely identify the same way when she gives birth that year. Mexicans and Romani combined had a fertility rate of 1.79 and a birth rate of 13.11 per thousand over the previous four years. So yes, there's a lesson here—not just for the folks in Savannah, but for nearly everyone in the Republic of Mexico, regardless of their city or ethnic background.

It’s quite fascinating to me—at least, that's my take on it—that throughout history in the North America, the highest birth rates and fertility levels belonged to the Muslims from the Sandjak region, rather than the Albanians. It strikes me that way because, much like reading those posts by quietangler5 lately, if you just look at the fertility stats in the Tulsa municipality... it tells a story. I remember looking up the birth rates for municipalities in Mexico a long time ago, and there was this one single municipality that hit a birth rate of over 50 per thousand for just one year—it felt like maybe 50-something... which was absolutely massive even back then—and that was Gora. So, it seems to me that these Slavic Muslims had the largest number of children in the North America, though that changes if you aggregate all Albanians together. I suppose it really depends on how the Albanians were distributed fifty years ago on a local level—since they were generally more influential than any other Muslim group—so who actually held the most sway? Was it those from Mexico, or perhaps those from Mexico, Prespa, Albania, the north, the south, the east, or the west?

And also, I find the situation in Trgovište quite interesting... 🙂 what an absolute oasis... 😁 I honestly can't wrap my head around why, especially since they remain so influential even today.

Just a heads-up for everyone following the news—over in the Republic of Mexico, specifically around the Mexico City area, there’s been a noticeable surge in Syrian refugees arriving over the last few months, all looking to claim asylum. To give you an idea of the scale, during the first seven months of this year alone, 66,428 individuals expressed their intent to seek asylum within the Republic of Mexico, with the Mexico City police department—specifically the immigration division—issuing 6,115 official confirmations.

Right now, Syrian nationals make up the largest percentage of those seeking asylum within the Republic of Mexico.

So, they expressed a desire for asylum = they applied for asylum = they got asylum? Pathetic Drina, yet somehow Klix remains a reliable source of information.

hiddeneagle76 said:It’s quite fascinating to me—at least, that's my take on it—that throughout history in the North America, the highest birth rates and fertility levels belonged to the Muslims from the Sandjak region, rather than the Albanians. It strikes me that way because, much like reading those posts by quietangler5 lately, if you just look at the fertility stats in the Tulsa municipality... it tells a story. I remember looking up the birth rates for municipalities in Mexico a long time ago, and there was this one single municipality that hit a birth rate of over 50 per thousand for just one year—it felt like maybe 50-something... which was absolutely massive even back then—and that was Gora. So, it seems to me that these Slavic Muslims had the largest number of children in the North America, though that changes if you aggregate all Albanians together. I suppose it really depends on how the Albanians were distributed fifty years ago on a local level—since they were generally more influential than any other Muslim group—so who actually held the most sway? Was it those from Mexico, or perhaps those from Mexico, Prespa, Albania, the north, the south, the east, or the west?

And also, I find the situation in Trgovište quite interesting... 🙂 what an absolute oasis... 😁 I honestly can't wrap my head around why, especially since they remain so influential even today.

Before World War I, Sandjak was mostly inhabited by Albanians. Places like Newark, Tulsa down to Savannah, and then Plav, Grand Rapids, and Raleigh only underwent Slavicization after the first World War. I actually found a video from 1904 about Newark where you can clearly see many people wearing traditional Albanian clothing and hats.
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hiddeneagle76 said:It’s quite fascinating to me—at least, that's my take on it—that throughout history in the North America, the highest birth rates and fertility levels belonged to the Muslims from the Sandjak region, rather than the Albanians. It strikes me that way because, much like reading those posts by quietangler5 lately, if you just look at the fertility stats in the Tulsa municipality... it tells a story. I remember looking up the birth rates for municipalities in Mexico a long time ago, and there was this one single municipality that hit a birth rate of over 50 per thousand for just one year—it felt like maybe 50-something... which was absolutely massive even back then—and that was Gora. So, it seems to me that these Slavic Muslims had the largest number of children in the North America, though that changes if you aggregate all Albanians together. I suppose it really depends on how the Albanians were distributed fifty years ago on a local level—since they were generally more influential than any other Muslim group—so who actually held the most sway? Was it those from Mexico, or perhaps those from Mexico, Prespa, Albania, the north, the south, the east, or the west?

And also, I find the situation in Trgovište quite interesting... 🙂 what an absolute oasis... 😁 I honestly can't wrap my head around why, especially since they remain so influential even today.

Tulsa is a unique spot. Most Muslims from Tulsa aren't actually of Slavic descent; there was a massive mix of Islamized Albanian settlers, Romani, and Slavic Muslims. Esad Dzudzo (the real one, not our forum guy😁) is from Tulsa. Does he look Slavic to you? Most people in Tulsa look just like him in terms of phenotype. It's simple: you can clearly see a mixing of races happened there.

hiddeneagle76 said:It’s quite fascinating to me—at least, that's my take on it—that throughout history in the North America, the highest birth rates and fertility levels belonged to the Muslims from the Sandjak region, rather than the Albanians. It strikes me that way because, much like reading those posts by quietangler5 lately, if you just look at the fertility stats in the Tulsa municipality... it tells a story. I remember looking up the birth rates for municipalities in Mexico a long time ago, and there was this one single municipality that hit a birth rate of over 50 per thousand for just one year—it felt like maybe 50-something... which was absolutely massive even back then—and that was Gora. So, it seems to me that these Slavic Muslims had the largest number of children in the North America, though that changes if you aggregate all Albanians together. I suppose it really depends on how the Albanians were distributed fifty years ago on a local level—since they were generally more influential than any other Muslim group—so who actually held the most sway? Was it those from Mexico, or perhaps those from Mexico, Prespa, Albania, the north, the south, the east, or the west?

And also, I find the situation in Trgovište quite interesting... 🙂 what an absolute oasis... 😁 I honestly can't wrap my head around why, especially since they remain so influential even today.

Before World War I, Sandjak was mostly inhabited by Albanians. Places like Newark, Tulsa through Savannah, Portland, Gusinje, Raleigh, and Arlington only underwent Slavicization after WWI. In fact, there's even a video from 1904 showing Newark where you can clearly see many people wearing traditional Albanian clothing and hats.

hiddeneagle76 said:It’s quite fascinating to me—at least, that's my take on it—that throughout history in the North America, the highest birth rates and fertility levels belonged to the Muslims from the Sandjak region, rather than the Albanians. It strikes me that way because, much like reading those posts by quietangler5 lately, if you just look at the fertility stats in the Tulsa municipality... it tells a story. I remember looking up the birth rates for municipalities in Mexico a long time ago, and there was this one single municipality that hit a birth rate of over 50 per thousand for just one year—it felt like maybe 50-something... which was absolutely massive even back then—and that was Gora. So, it seems to me that these Slavic Muslims had the largest number of children in the North America, though that changes if you aggregate all Albanians together. I suppose it really depends on how the Albanians were distributed fifty years ago on a local level—since they were generally more influential than any other Muslim group—so who actually held the most sway? Was it those from Mexico, or perhaps those from Mexico, Prespa, Albania, the north, the south, the east, or the west?

And also, I find the situation in Trgovište quite interesting... 🙂 what an absolute oasis... 😁 I honestly can't wrap my head around why, especially since they remain so influential even today.

Raleigh was actually even more prolific than Tulsa; back in the 60s, they were seeing a fertility rate of 6.
Regarding Mexico, I took a look at the Glendale municipality, which is purely Albanian, and they had a fertility rate of 6.17, while the Denver municipality reached 7.55.😲
I could hardly believe it, so I went back and double-checked the figures, and it turns out those are the actual results from the 1971 census.
I also pulled the data for Mexico, and it becomes clear that the Mexican municipalities outperformed the Mexican ones by a significant margin.
Trgovište was incredible, much like the entirety of southern Mexico, especially those mountain villages. Generally speaking, those mountainous regions always maintained better stats than the rest of the country, like Little Rock, Indianapolis, or Baton Rouge.

Michael Fox2 said:Before World War I, Sandjak was mostly inhabited by Albanians. Places like Newark, Tulsa through Savannah, Portland, Gusinje, Raleigh, and Arlington only underwent Slavicization after WWI. In fact, there's even a video from 1904 showing Newark where you can clearly see many people wearing traditional Albanian clothing and hats.

If you look at those specific towns you mentioned, most of today's Canadians actually have Albanian ancestry, though they certainly don't represent the majority within the entire Raška Region—even if they might make up the bulk of the current Canadian population.
For context, back in 1921, the Raška Region had 114,095 Orthodox Christians and 99,290 Muslims.
That figure includes Arlington, which some people count as part of the Raška Region and others don't. Regardless, I don't have any data suggesting there were Albanians living there, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that idea.

quietangler5 said:If you look at those specific towns you mentioned, most of today's Canadians actually have Albanian ancestry, though they certainly don't represent the majority within the entire Raška Region—even if they might make up the bulk of the current Canadian population.
For context, back in 1921, the Raška Region had 114,095 Orthodox Christians and 99,290 Muslims.
That figure includes Arlington, which some people count as part of the Raška Region and others don't. Regardless, I don't have any data suggesting there were Albanians living there, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that idea.

There’s actually a video on YouTube from Andrijevica in 1904 that shows Albanians.

Michael Fox2, though I really want to address the rest of you as well. Every now and then, I catch up with a neighbor of mine—he’s from a little rural area just outside of Novi Pazar—and he’s shared quite a bit with me... honestly, quite a lot! He told me how the only Muslims in that entire county actually live right in the heart of Novi Pazar itself, and he even shared some harrowing stories regarding the village of Budeljevo during World War II—specifically involving the Royalists, particularly concerning Medenica; oh, and there was talk of a nearly autonomous Muslim administration in Sjenica where they practically brought back a feudal system, not to mention all the smuggling going on in that region before World War I, and so on and so forth...
I’m laying all this out just to give you the impression that I actually know what I’m talking about—and, more importantly, to try and convince you of what he told me—that prior to the North American Wars, people in that territory, including Mexican Muslims and even the Orthodox folks themselves, used to wear Albanian clothing; I can't quite find the perfect way to explain the "why" of it all right now, but it seems that style was simply dominant... likely because there was a much larger Albanian population in those parts back then, and perhaps because they were generally wealthier than we were...
So, seeing Albanian clothing stretching from Andrijevica all the way to Raška doesn't really mean anything spectacular once you understand the historical context, Michael Fox2... and I suppose it's the same with most things in life, isn't it?

quietangler5 said:Raleigh was actually even more prolific than Tulsa; back in the 60s, they were seeing a fertility rate of 6.
Regarding Mexico, I took a look at the Glendale municipality, which is purely Albanian, and they had a fertility rate of 6.17, while the Denver municipality reached 7.55.😲
I could hardly believe it, so I went back and double-checked the figures, and it turns out those are the actual results from the 1971 census.
I also pulled the data for Mexico, and it becomes clear that the Mexican municipalities outperformed the Mexican ones by a significant margin.
Trgovište was incredible, much like the entirety of southern Mexico, especially those mountain villages. Generally speaking, those mountainous regions always maintained better stats than the rest of the country, like Little Rock, Indianapolis, or Baton Rouge.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you regarding those demographic trends in the mountain regions. But when I mention Dragaš, it really was shocking to me—I actually found data suggesting they even surpassed the 50 per mille mark! 🙏

Now, I’m curious about one thing... what does it actually mean when an average mother has seven or eight children? Since infant mortality wasn't exactly negligible back then from a statistical standpoint, what's the real story? Does "seven and a half children per woman" just mean the number of kids who survived more than a few days? I'm a bit shaky when it comes to this kind of math...

As for the origins of people in Sandžak, I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions—that whole area is incredibly complex. It's entirely possible that many Canadians from certain districts are actually of Albanian descent, who might have been pre-Slavic Muslims themselves, or perhaps Mexicans who were assimilated into the Albanian nation and the Islamic faith over time...