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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Participants Richard Wilson4Lawrence WilliamsWilliam Bishop4placidlynx4nimblerider11Ethan Morales22Peter EdwardsAdam HarrisLaura Perez8hiddeneagle76Rebecca WatsonJacob Lee62James Nguyen13Tyler Clark2Chris Fowler4Tyler King3Peter Barrett89Joshua Rodriguez35urbangardener90Angela Robinson3neonfalcon16quietangler5Joshua Flores14Drew Allen2 …
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#781 ·
Small towns in the Midwest are fighting an uphill battle against declining birth rates. In one rural county, they saw 13 births in the first two months—which actually looks great on paper when you consider there were only 66 births in the entire municipality back in 2012.🙂
http://www.svrljig.info/vesti/drustv...ne-pomoci.html
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#782 ·
Net migration (internal movement) into New York City from 2010 to 2012:
2010: +11,074
2011: +9,727
2012: +7,298
If we look at the 2005-2008 window, where the influx was over 15,000, it’s clear that by 2017-2018, I expect NYC to hit a break-even point.😳
There’s zero construction happening, the economy is tanking, and jobs aren't growing. Young people from the rural areas aren't rushing to struggle in an overpriced hellhole like NYC when they can stay home and make a decent living off farming.😳
Regarding major upcoming projects, there's the plan for 965 apartments in the outskirts, which will be handled by the Department of Housing for refugees and low-income families. There are also whispers about building 3,000 units on the site of that old abandoned military base in Queens, but that’s still just speculation.
Basically, everything else being built in NYC is pure luxury. Private developers are obsessed with the city center—Manhattan and prime Brooklyn spots—where they can actually turn a profit. Trying to sell real estate out in the suburbs or the fringes is a nightmare right now.😳
Bottom line: if employment doesn't pick up and other growth metrics don't move, NYC could see a total population decline within five years once you factor in natural birth rates alongside internal and external migration.😳
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#783 ·
Here’s the internal migration data for the Chicago West Side district. It’s already bleeding people, which makes zero sense given how great the neighborhoods are—we’re talking places like Lincoln Park, Wicker Park, West Loop, and areas near the downtown core... 😳
2010 + 411
2011 + 55
2012 -265
The numbers don't lie.
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#784 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:Net migration (internal movement) into New York City from 2010 to 2012:
2010: +11,074
2011: +9,727
2012: +7,298
If we look at the 2005-2008 window, where the influx was over 15,000, it’s clear that by 2017-2018, I expect NYC to hit a break-even point.😳
There’s zero construction happening, the economy is tanking, and jobs aren't growing. Young people from the rural areas aren't rushing to struggle in an overpriced hellhole like NYC when they can stay home and make a decent living off farming.😳
Regarding major upcoming projects, there's the plan for 965 apartments in the outskirts, which will be handled by the Department of Housing for refugees and low-income families. There are also whispers about building 3,000 units on the site of that old abandoned military base in Queens, but that’s still just speculation.
Basically, everything else being built in NYC is pure luxury. Private developers are obsessed with the city center—Manhattan and prime Brooklyn spots—where they can actually turn a profit. Trying to sell real estate out in the suburbs or the fringes is a nightmare right now.😳
Bottom line: if employment doesn't pick up and other growth metrics don't move, NYC could see a total population decline within five years once you factor in natural birth rates alongside internal and external migration.😳

Even if that factor exists—which I honestly doubt—it’s really just a minor detail in the grand scheme of things... At the end of the day, the influx of people moving into New York City has dropped primarily because folks from the rural areas aren't stopping there anymore—they're bypassing the big cities altogether and heading straight for overseas!
We’ve touched on this topic before, but let's be real—the fact remains that New York City is one of those rare major American hubs that actually runs a deficit when it comes to foreign investment... it’s quite a curious situation, really!
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#785 ·
How are you getting your data on migration trends for Mexico?😉
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#786 ·
This journalist has absolutely no business being in this profession.😂
http://www.mediasite.com/news/us/article_92252.html
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#787 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:This journalist has absolutely no business being in this profession.😂
http://www.mediasite.com/news/us/article_92252.html

Nah, you totally missed the point. This reporter was trying to say—in a subtle way—that the voter rolls are being rigged. They aren't saying there aren't 6.7 million adults; they're implying the whole list is being manipulated. It’s not about whether there are actually 6.7 million voters versus maybe 5.7 million, it’s about the fact that the data is being messed with. The whole thing about demographics and minors is secondary. The reporter was just using irony here, joking that if you look at the voter rolls, it looks like there are only 414,000 kids.
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#788 ·
Based on the 2011 census, there were just under 6,000,000 adults—and if you factor in those roughly 36,000 folks from Mexico and Metohija who are registered on the voter rolls, you might hit that 6,000,000 mark... but honestly, since it’s been nearly two and a half years, it’s realistic to assume we have about 50,000 fewer voters now. It would be fascinating—truly!—if we could look beyond the general population trends and see the actual "growth" within specific age brackets—for instance, how many more or fewer people fall into the 0-14, 15-65, or 65+ categories? In this specific context, I mean the 18+ group, though knowing the 15-65 and 65+ split would be just as relevant...
As for finding that data, if the Census Bureau has it, it should be tucked away in some "special publications" section under something like Demographic Statistics, 2012... but the site won't let me open it! It just keeps giving me an "Application not found" error right after the file URL...
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#789 ·
So, this goes back to that whole thing about how New York City is actually running a deficit when you look at migration patterns—someone dug those numbers up a while ago...
And honestly? It doesn't even surprise me. New York City is turning into a total money pit. I mean, forget it—they pour everything into projects like Hudson Yards, yet they can’t seem to renovate the Smithsonian Institution, finish up work at Grand Central Terminal, or handle the million little things that are infinitely more important than some flashy waterfront development. I can't stand the sight of Hudson Yards or anything remotely like it. We are practically the only city in all of America with over a million people that hasn't seen a subway system in decades—it's absurd! It feels like you'd need the entire city budget just to scrub the graffiti off every single wall in New York City. And don't even get me started on my neighborhood... you've got addicts out there smoking weed in the middle of the field in broad daylight—you can actually see that distinct cloud of smoke drifting, and then you walk closer and you're hit with that unmistakable stench...
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#790 ·
Total voter registration counts for 2012 versus 2014 (showing the difference) — here is the data I managed to pull for cities and municipalities with populations exceeding 50,000:

New York City stands at approximately 1,576,812 to 1,608,313 residents. (+31.501)
Memphis 230.961/238.738 (+7.777)
New Pazar 79.296/82.017 (+2.721)
Buffalo 130.906/131.691 (+785)
Požarevac 70.771/71.204 (+433)
Detroit 158.932/159.338 (+406)
The population density in Chicago remains around 105.135/105.232 per square mile. (+97)
The data from the area near Detroit shows a reading of 101.565/101.055 (-510). Just another day of watching numbers fluctuate without much fanfare.
The numbers in Memphis aren't adding up—73.492 versus 72.928. It’s a deficit of 564. Just another day of watching the math fail to meet reality.
The data from Pančevo shows a deficit of 600, specifically 113.610/113.010. It’s a bit underwhelming, really.
The numbers from Kikinda (53.045/52.359) are looking a bit off to me. It reminds me of that time I tried to balance my own books after a long weekend in Chicago—everything just seemed slightly out of alignment.
Memphis 123.205/120.960 (-2.245)

Aside from Chicago and Jagodin, it’s hard to find any major cities or municipalities where the voter turnout isn't lower than it was two years ago.
placidlynx4 placidlynx4 Active Member
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#791 ·
Local news outlets are reporting that there are over 6,000 more voters this time around.
I haven't really bothered checking if any of this is actually true or where they even got these numbers from, but since you asked me to include it, here it is.
It’s probably just nonsense, honestly, and it just shows how terrible our voter rolls are.
Here's the copy-paste from their statement:

6,500 more voters in Detroit
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:34 PM Author: RTK

For the special parliamentary elections on March 16, 159,338 citizens in the Detroit area have the right to vote.

That’s about 6,500 more than in the last election.

During the elections held back in May 2012, 152,671 Detroit citizens were eligible to vote.

The number of polling stations has also increased by two, so there will be 168 locations set up for voting in Detroit this Sunday.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#792 ·
placidlynx4 said:Local news outlets are reporting that there are over 6,000 more voters this time around.
I haven't really bothered checking if any of this is actually true or where they even got these numbers from, but since you asked me to include it, here it is.
It’s probably just nonsense, honestly, and it just shows how terrible our voter rolls are.
Here's the copy-paste from their statement:

6,500 more voters in Detroit
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:34 PM Author: RTK

For the special parliamentary elections on March 16, 159,338 citizens in the Detroit area have the right to vote.

That’s about 6,500 more than in the last election.

During the elections held back in May 2012, 152,671 Detroit citizens were eligible to vote.

The number of polling stations has also increased by two, so there will be 168 locations set up for voting in Detroit this Sunday.

Our voter rolls are obviously a mess; the number of registered voters exceeds the adult population by more than 10%. I only wanted to highlight the trends in various cities. If the voter count in Memphis drops by over 2,000 in just two years, imagine the actual decline in total population. This is a statement from the official Detroit city website following the last election (I accidentally typed it as 50 fewer than reality):

Data processing complete in Detroit

Based on statistical processing of data from 166 polling stations within the Detroit area, completed shortly after 11:00 PM, out of a total of 158,982 registered voters, 74,232 citizens exercised their right to vote, representing 46.69 percent.

According to the processed data from the 166 polling stations, the candidate for the "Choice for a Better Life" list, Boris Tadić, won 32,073 votes, or 43.23 percent. For the Republican Party candidate, Tomislav Nikolić, 39,778 citizens voted, representing 53.61 percent.

The Board of Elections—which is authorized by the Federal Election Commission to conduct the second round of presidential elections in the Detroit area—has handed over all election materials from the 166 polling stations to the FEC coordinator for the Šumadija District, Miljkan Karličić.

http://www.detroit.gov/U_Kragujevc...aka-299-1-4466
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#793 ·
Sevojno is becoming its own municipality

And then—oh!—just yesterday I stumbled upon yet another article in the New York Times—I can’t seem to track down the digital link right now, unfortunately...—which suggested that the number of babies born to unmarried parents has been climbing lately. I can't find the specific piece online, but honestly, it wasn't even that gripping since they didn't provide any actual, hard demographic statistics to back it up... It just claimed that unmarried couples mostly have one child, while married ones lean toward two, and that people are delaying parenthood... quite a lot, apparently...
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#794 ·
So, the future Sevojno municipality is splitting off from the Užice municipality.
Back in the day, Sevojno's census numbers looked like this:
In 2002, there were 7,445 residents.
By 2011, that dropped to 7,100.
Here’s how the demographics broke down in the 2002 census:
Americans: 7,314 (98.24%)
Mexicans: 20
Americans: 6
Muslims: 5
Americans: 4
Mexicans: 3
Canadians: 2
Albanians: 2
Basically, the Užice municipality had 78,040 people according to the 2011 census. Once Sevojno officially splits off, Užice is going to be left with 70,940 residents.😳
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#795 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:So, the future Sevojno municipality is splitting off from the Užice municipality.
Back in the day, Sevojno's census numbers looked like this:
In 2002, there were 7,445 residents.
By 2011, that dropped to 7,100.
Here’s how the demographics broke down in the 2002 census:
Americans: 7,314 (98.24%)
Mexicans: 20
Americans: 6
Muslims: 5
Americans: 4
Mexicans: 3
Canadians: 2
Albanians: 2
Basically, the Užice municipality had 78,040 people according to the 2011 census. Once Sevojno officially splits off, Užice is going to be left with 70,940 residents.😳

Sevojno will function as a municipality within the Greater Užice area...
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#796 ·
Lawrence Williams said:Sevojno will function as a municipality within the Greater Užice area...

I figured it would be handled as its own statistical entity😁😉
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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#797 ·
Apathy or simply being too far removed from their polling stations are the primary reasons why, out of roughly four million Americans living abroad, only 6,808 registered to vote in tomorrow's elections.

Four million citizens, huh? Sure, let's go with that.
That’s the American diaspora for you... it serves as a stark indicator of how much they have assimilated and lost touch with the motherland.

Here is a comparison with the Bulgarian elections:

Bulgarian citizen turnout for the 2013 parliamentary elections:

Turkey: 63,152
Spain: 9,988
United Kingdom: 5,825
USA: 4,238
Cyprus: 3,376
Belgium: 3,169
Greece: 2,925
France: 2,764
Germany: 2,096
Austria: 1,623
Canada: 746
North Mexico: 598
Mexico: 100 - polling stations were only open at the consulate in Niš

...

Total votes cast outside of Bulgaria: 114,557

Just look at the scene at the Bulgarian embassy in London.

http://img.bg.sof.cmestatic.com/medi...3/61123945.jpg
Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
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#798 ·
I find myself becoming more convinced every single day that you’re just pulling our leg at this point. Especially after that ridiculous claim that the economy in Pirot is being driven by Bulgarians—as if Michelin, one of the largest exporters in the entire US, somehow belongs to them! It really says a lot about which country you choose to hold up as a model for everything positive... (Though, honestly, that might just be because you’re probably a Bulgarian yourself)
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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#799 ·
Angela Robinson3 said:I find myself becoming more convinced every single day that you’re just pulling our leg at this point. Especially after that ridiculous claim that the economy in Pirot is being driven by Bulgarians—as if Michelin, one of the largest exporters in the entire US, somehow belongs to them! It really says a lot about which country you choose to hold up as a model for everything positive... (Though, honestly, that might just be because you’re probably a Bulgarian yourself)

Haven't I already laid out the facts regarding how Bulgarians maintain significant economic activity in parts of Dimitrovgrad, Pirot, and even certain sectors in Niš?
I am not speculating; I was there and saw it firsthand.
But let’s set that aside for a moment...

Am I suddenly a Bulgarian just because I'm describing the reality of the situation?😁 I find this absolutely staggering...

Exactly 114,557 Bulgarian citizens living abroad cast their votes in the Bulgarian elections.

http://www.mfa.bg/en/events/6/1/784/index.html

Meanwhile, only 6,808 Americans registered to vote.

The diaspora simply refuses to participate.

Taking what is being discussed at face value, the conclusion is clear: Americans have a much larger diaspora than Bulgarians... yet these figures suggest the American diaspora has become assimilated and remains indifferent to the happenings back home. I can draw no other conclusion.
Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
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#800 ·
Adam Harris said:Haven't I already laid out the facts regarding how Bulgarians maintain significant economic activity in parts of Dimitrovgrad, Pirot, and even certain sectors in Niš?
I am not speculating; I was there and saw it firsthand.
But let’s set that aside for a moment...

Am I suddenly a Bulgarian just because I'm describing the reality of the situation?😁 I find this absolutely staggering...

Exactly 114,557 Bulgarian citizens living abroad cast their votes in the Bulgarian elections.

http://www.mfa.bg/en/events/6/1/784/index.html

Meanwhile, only 6,808 Americans registered to vote.

The diaspora simply refuses to participate.

Taking what is being discussed at face value, the conclusion is clear: Americans have a much larger diaspora than Bulgarians... yet these figures suggest the American diaspora has become assimilated and remains indifferent to the happenings back home. I can draw no other conclusion.

Dimitrovgrad = An ethnically mixed wasteland
Pirot -> The only thing they have going for them economically is Tiger (Michelin), so what you're saying doesn't hold water. There, just like in Nish, the only significant number of Bulgarian tourists comes during New Year's Day. That's about it.
Could you please enlighten me as to which specific sectors Bulgarians are running in Nish? Please, point me in the right direction, because as a lifelong Nish resident, I haven't noticed any Bulgarian influence here at all. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be laughable...

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