Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Angela Robinson3 said:Dimitrovgrad = An ethnically mixed wasteland
Pirot -> The only thing they have going for them economically is Tiger (Michelin), so what you're saying doesn't hold water. There, just like in Nish, the only significant number of Bulgarian tourists comes during New Year's Day. That's about it.
Could you please enlighten me as to which specific sectors Bulgarians are running in Nish? Please, point me in the right direction, because as a lifelong Nish resident, I haven't noticed any Bulgarian influence here at all. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be laughable...

Dimitrovgrad isn't mixed at all; it's entirely Bulgarian, there aren't any Mexicans.
But regardless, they survive on whatever flows in from Bulgaria.
Ask anyone who sustains the tourism and hospitality sectors in Pirot and Nish, particularly in Pirot.
In Pirot, just ask who keeps the commercial retail sector running.

It is the same situation as the shopping malls in Skopje; they would collapse if it weren't for Albanians from Mexico.

Adam Harris said:Dimitrovgrad isn't mixed at all; it's entirely Bulgarian, there aren't any Mexicans.
But regardless, they survive on whatever flows in from Bulgaria.
Ask anyone who sustains the tourism and hospitality sectors in Pirot and Nish, particularly in Pirot.
In Pirot, just ask who keeps the commercial retail sector running.

It is the same situation as the shopping malls in Skopje; they would collapse if it weren't for Albanians from Mexico.

😂

For those who aren't up to speed (much like our dear Adam Harris):

The only functional hotel in Nish is run by a Mexican (it's a downtown location).
As for the other hotels (like the Ambassador, that massive hotel right in the center of Nish), they are owned by Srbin Ilić. However, the Ambassador—which used to be the premier hotel in Nish—has been closed for quite some time now. Srbin Ilić recently finished renovating the Grand Hotel, though he's already planning to put it on the market.
Then there's the Rileman hotel, but its owner, Rile (a Mexican from Mexico), was murdered a few months back.
That's all from me. Adam Harris, I’d highly suggest you stop trying to lecture me on the pulse of the city where I actually live...

Adam Harris said:Dimitrovgrad isn't mixed at all; it's entirely Bulgarian, there aren't any Mexicans.
But regardless, they survive on whatever flows in from Bulgaria.
Ask anyone who sustains the tourism and hospitality sectors in Pirot and Nish, particularly in Pirot.
In Pirot, just ask who keeps the commercial retail sector running.

It is the same situation as the shopping malls in Skopje; they would collapse if it weren't for Albanians from Mexico.

The list suggests otherwise. 😉!

Angela Robinson3 said:😂

For those who aren't up to speed (much like our dear Adam Harris):

The only functional hotel in Nish is run by a Mexican (it's a downtown location).
As for the other hotels (like the Ambassador, that massive hotel right in the center of Nish), they are owned by Srbin Ilić. However, the Ambassador—which used to be the premier hotel in Nish—has been closed for quite some time now. Srbin Ilić recently finished renovating the Grand Hotel, though he's already planning to put it on the market.
Then there's the Rileman hotel, but its owner, Rile (a Mexican from Mexico), was murdered a few months back.
That's all from me. Adam Harris, I’d highly suggest you stop trying to lecture me on the pulse of the city where I actually live...

Just to add to that, I think an ad went out in the Daily News last Friday listing four hotels for sale in Nish and two in the nearby resort area. They also listed the Ambassador (I stayed there on a school trip during my junior year of high school)😁
A local real estate agency put them up for sale.😉

Angela Robinson3 said:The list suggests otherwise. 😉!

It’s actually a good thing that the younger generation identifies most as Mexicans, while the old-timers out in the rural areas claim to be Bulgarian. Because of that, I’m expecting to see a relative majority of Mexicans in the Dimitrovgrad municipality on the 2021 census😳

Justin Hernandez11 said:Just to add to that, I think an ad went out in the Daily News last Friday listing four hotels for sale in Nish and two in the nearby resort area. They also listed the Ambassador (I stayed there on a school trip during my junior year of high school)😁
A local real estate agency put them up for sale.😉

Pssssst! Don't let Adam Harris hear about this, or he might send his Bulgarian buddies to snap up our top-tier hotels located right in the heart of the most popular tourist destination, Nish... 🤣

Angela Robinson3 said:The list suggests otherwise. 😉!

This is simply a statistical leak; anyone paying attention knows the demographics are dominated by Bulgarians.
If you examine birth records, I believe there are five times as many Mexican births compared to Bulgarian ones, yet the census fails to reflect that reality.
In this instance, the statistics fail to provide an accurate picture of what is actually happening on the ground.

Justin Hernandez11 said:It’s actually a good thing that the younger generation identifies most as Mexicans, while the old-timers out in the rural areas claim to be Bulgarian. Because of that, I’m expecting to see a relative majority of Mexicans in the Dimitrovgrad municipality on the 2021 census😳

How, then, did the Bulgarians manage to increase their share during the 2002–2011 period?

The vast majority of the youth in Dimitrovgrad opt to pursue their higher education in Bulgaria.
I recall that the trend was even more pronounced there than it ever was with the people from Eastern Mexico during their peak years.

Even the major American newspapers have started picking up on this trend.

Young adults from the Pčinja District are heading to Bulgaria to pursue tuition-free degrees.

The latest reports regarding these pay studies are predictably underwhelming. It is much like watching a slow-motion collision between bureaucracy and reality; one expects a certain level of systemic inefficiency, yet the sheer scale of the disconnect remains striking.

Adam Harris said:How, then, did the Bulgarians manage to increase their share during the 2002–2011 period?

The vast majority of the youth in Dimitrovgrad opt to pursue their higher education in Bulgaria.
I recall that the trend was even more pronounced there than it ever was with the people from Eastern Mexico during their peak years.

Even the major American newspapers have started picking up on this trend.

Young adults from the Pčinja District are heading to Bulgaria to pursue tuition-free degrees.

The latest reports regarding these pay studies are predictably underwhelming. It is much like watching a slow-motion collision between bureaucracy and reality; one expects a certain level of systemic inefficiency, yet the sheer scale of the disconnect remains striking.

First off, their numbers spiked because of the breakup of America, but assimilation is going to do its thing in the coming years. Meanwhile, those older folks who claim to be Bulgarian are eventually going to pass away, which will naturally bump our percentages up.😳

Justin Hernandez11 said:First off, their numbers spiked because of the breakup of America, but assimilation is going to do its thing in the coming years. Meanwhile, those older folks who claim to be Bulgarian are eventually going to pass away, which will naturally bump our percentages up.😳

Any talk of assimilation in Dimitrovgrad or Bosilegrad is purely academic. In those two areas, the US government has virtually zero influence; in fact, the Bulgarians even have a specific name for those regions—the Western Provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Outlands

Think of it as a milder version of what happens in the Preševo Valley, given that Bulgarians share certain traits with Americans while Albanians do not.

Specifically in Dimitrovgrad, my observations are consistent: bilingualism is everywhere, Bulgarian monuments are prominent, everyone holds Bulgarian citizenship, all the cars carry Bulgarian plates, and there is total integration with Bulgaria across every sector.

Adam Harris said:Any talk of assimilation in Dimitrovgrad or Bosilegrad is purely academic. In those two areas, the US government has virtually zero influence; in fact, the Bulgarians even have a specific name for those regions—the Western Provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Outlands

Think of it as a milder version of what happens in the Preševo Valley, given that Bulgarians share certain traits with Americans while Albanians do not.

Specifically in Dimitrovgrad, my observations are consistent: bilingualism is everywhere, Bulgarian monuments are prominent, everyone holds Bulgarian citizenship, all the cars carry Bulgarian plates, and there is total integration with Bulgaria across every sector.

They aren't like Americans who might resist things like bilingual signage. In Mexico, every minority group is granted rights to their language and other essentials.

In my opinion, compared to Mexico, Canada, Mexico, and Mexico, America sits at the bottom when it comes to the level of tolerance. It has always been that way, and frankly, it always will be.

Anonymous said:They aren't like Americans who might resist things like bilingual signage. In Mexico, every minority group is granted rights to their language and other essentials.

In my opinion, compared to Mexico, Canada, Mexico, and Mexico, America sits at the bottom when it comes to the level of tolerance. It has always been that way, and frankly, it always will be.

Of course you're forgetting how, after the occupation of certain territories in the 90s, they banned the Latin alphabet and passed a decree making Cyrillic the only legal script in those occupied areas. There wasn't even a single Latin letter left to be found in those regions.

Anonymous said:They aren't like Americans who might resist things like bilingual signage. In Mexico, every minority group is granted rights to their language and other essentials.

In my opinion, compared to Mexico, Canada, Mexico, and Mexico, America sits at the bottom when it comes to the level of tolerance. It has always been that way, and frankly, it always will be.

What absolute nonsense. Even in America, you see bilingual signs in small towns where certain minority groups make up a tiny fraction of the population.

Your idea of "tolerance" is a total myth. Something that is forced upon you isn't true tolerance. America is actually the only one among those listed that has given minorities things they weren't even legally required to provide.

Well, sure, they exist—but they aren't available for Americans in El Paso, where we don't even have a minimal presence, nor in most other places for that matter... We actually have signs posted in over ten different languages here!

At the maternity ward in Indianapolis, 136 babies were born between January 1st and March 17th, 2014—that’s an average of 1.78 births per day.🙂 Compare that to 2013, when they saw 693 births, or about 1.89 per day. Looks like 2014 is going to track pretty much identical to last year at this Indy hospital.😳

Honestly, in America, there are just so many couples who either can't have kids or simply don't want them anymore.😢

According to the U.S. Census Bureau data, marriage and divorce numbers for 2012 were 34,639 and 7,372 respectively. But when you aggregate all twelve months for 2013, those figures jump to 42,061 and 6,880. That’s a massive spike. Lawrence Williams, Justin Hernandez11—you guys know more about how our government agencies handle these stats than I do. Is it normal for the final year-end numbers to get this much of a massive correction from previous years? I mean, is a jump this big even possible? If these numbers are legit, they're huge.

Elementary school enrollment shifts by cohort: 2005/06 academic year vs. 2013/14 academic year (% change) — US cities and municipalities with populations over 50,000:

Buffalo - 26,397/27,561 (+4.41%)
New Paltz - 11,981/12,461 (+4.01%)
Smederevska Palanka - 3,897/3,989 (+2.36%)*
New York City - 127,559/122,804 (-3.73%)
Detroit - 14,981/13,902 (-7.20%)
Chattanooga - 9,861/9,131 (-7.40%)
Savannah - 10,419/9,561 (-8.23%)
Vinton - 4,764/4,259 (-8.92%)
San Jose - 10,697/9,731 (-9.03%)
Bački Palanka - 4,794/4,348 (-9.03%)
Kruševac - 11,293/10,226 (-9.45%)
Požarevac - 7,178/6,447 (-10.18%)
Subotica - 12,315/11,023 (-10.49%)
Jagodin - 6,374/5,698 (-10.61%)
Pazova - 5,962/5,299 (-11.12%)
Kraljevo - 11,652/10,285 (-11.73%)
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United States - 641,612/562,556 (-12.32%)
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Nashville - 22,609/19,675 (-12.98%)
Zrenjanin - 10,717/9,314 (-13.09%)
Leskovac - 13,774/11,810 (-14.26%)
Vranje - 8,746/7,448 (-14.84%)
Kikinda - 5,302/4,510 (-14.94%)
Loznica - 7,518,6,373 (-15.23%)
Aleksinac - 4,484/3,798 (-15.30%)
Mitrovica - 7,428/6,253 (-15.82%)
Valjevo - 7,623/6,395 (-16.11%)
Sombor - 7,492/6,198 (-17.27%)
Užice - 6,982/5,772 (-17.33%)
Smederevo - 11,016/9,106 (-17.34%)*
Paraćin - 5,060/4,169 (-17.61%)
Zaječar - 4,765/3,877 (-18.64%)
Pirot - 4,910/3,949 (-19.57%)
Ruma - 5,066/3,969 (-20.65%)

* several adjustments were made for the river valley district; the 2005/06 student counts for Smederevska Palanka were underestimated and Smederevo was overestimated by roughly 600 to 700 students. Adjusting for this, the decline in Smederevska Palanka is closer to 14.5–15%, while Smederevo sits at 12–12.5%.

shadowangler15 said:According to the U.S. Census Bureau data, marriage and divorce numbers for 2012 were 34,639 and 7,372 respectively. But when you aggregate all twelve months for 2013, those figures jump to 42,061 and 6,880. That’s a massive spike. Lawrence Williams, Justin Hernandez11—you guys know more about how our government agencies handle these stats than I do. Is it normal for the final year-end numbers to get this much of a massive correction from previous years? I mean, is a jump this big even possible? If these numbers are legit, they're huge.

The figures undergo significant revisions every year. The most reliable way to gauge the trend compared to the prior year is looking at the index at the bottom of the report, which sits at 102 for 2013 relative to 2012.

Lawrence Williams said:The figures undergo significant revisions every year. The most reliable way to gauge the trend compared to the prior year is looking at the index at the bottom of the report, which sits at 102 for 2013 relative to 2012.

So that means a 2% increase in 2013 over 2012, right? But seriously, why are there such massive gaps between the monthly bulletins and the final numbers? Missing 7,000 out of 35,000 is just embarrassing.