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Scott Cruz4 Scott Cruz4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2012
#441 ·
copperdriver10 said:There are several others similar to this one.

The Middle East categorized by linguistic groups

http://global-atlas.jrc.it/maps/PUBL...amilies_lg.jpg

Ethnic distribution
http://mapasdeorientemedio.files.wor...s-ok.jpg?w=840

Oil fields and military installations
http://mapasdeorientemedio.wordpress...oriente-medio/

And even more maps like these
http://mapasdeorientemedio.wordpress...oriente-medio/

Vietnam ethnic breakdown
http://correodelasculturas.files.wor...tnamethnic.jpg

Native American
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HwZ7dh0ee2...infografia.jpg

It's pretty interesting how the Kurds just couldn't manage to secure their own nation—now they're spread out across a massive stretch of territory from Turkey all the way to Iran.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
191 messages
joined Oct 2011
#442 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:That's just how it seems. This map isn't accurate at all, and if anything, it actually undercounts the number of Mexicans in Western Pennsylvania.

Alright, it seems parts of this map are inaccurate. I don't have enough expertise to claim one thing over another.

First off, I've never seen a map presented in this kind of resolution.
For those who actually have the knowledge, the time, and the drive—would it even be possible to fix the errors on this map?

2. On maps like this—based on census data from the era of the USA—Illinois, the Box, and the modern coastline up to Miami are always missing.

3. And while we're at it—in my subjective opinion—these maps are also missing all the territories that belonged to the USA but ended up in the USA later. That means, along with what I mentioned above, Buffalo, the Great Plains, Appalachia, Austria, and Kentucky.

A massive undertaking?
Absolutely!

Impossible?
For me, yes.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
126 messages
joined Mar 2012
#443 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:Alright, it seems parts of this map are inaccurate. I don't have enough expertise to claim one thing over another.

First off, I've never seen a map presented in this kind of resolution.
For those who actually have the knowledge, the time, and the drive—would it even be possible to fix the errors on this map?

2. On maps like this—based on census data from the era of the USA—Illinois, the Box, and the modern coastline up to Miami are always missing.

3. And while we're at it—in my subjective opinion—these maps are also missing all the territories that belonged to the USA but ended up in the USA later. That means, along with what I mentioned above, Buffalo, the Great Plains, Appalachia, Austria, and Kentucky.

A massive undertaking?
Absolutely!

Impossible?
For me, yes.

I tried doing something similar a few years back. The headache is that modern county lines don't always line up with how things were a century ago. It's manageable when you're just merging or splitting towns, but what happens when the borders between two established areas shift over time?

So, yeah, this isn't perfect either, but it's a lot closer to reality.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9389/1910.gif
crimsonorca42 crimsonorca42 Active Member
59 messages
joined Nov 2014
#444 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:That's just how it seems. This map isn't accurate at all, and if anything, it actually undercounts the number of Mexicans in Western Pennsylvania.

The area around Tulsa is just completely wrong.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
126 messages
joined Mar 2012
#445 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:Alright, it seems parts of this map are inaccurate. I don't have enough expertise to claim one thing over another.

First off, I've never seen a map presented in this kind of resolution.
For those who actually have the knowledge, the time, and the drive—would it even be possible to fix the errors on this map?

2. On maps like this—based on census data from the era of the USA—Illinois, the Box, and the modern coastline up to Miami are always missing.

3. And while we're at it—in my subjective opinion—these maps are also missing all the territories that belonged to the USA but ended up in the USA later. That means, along with what I mentioned above, Buffalo, the Great Plains, Appalachia, Austria, and Kentucky.

A massive undertaking?
Absolutely!

Impossible?
For me, yes.

It’s not even about how much time or effort we put in. It’s more of a technical hurdle. Having a Cartago like that showing all the neighborhoods? That would be massive. But anything over 25,000x25,000 pixels usually just breaks the software, doesn't it?
crimsonorca42 said:The area around Tulsa is just completely wrong.

Looks like Cartago is rigged, if you ask me.
crimsonorca42 crimsonorca42 Active Member
59 messages
joined Nov 2014
#446 ·
Paul B. said:It seems pretty clear that the map has been doctored.

I have to agree. I honestly can't wrap my head around why anyone would bother doing that.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
191 messages
joined Oct 2011
#447 ·
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2011
#448 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:First time I've ever actually looked at a map showing Christian areas in Israel. Just realized I've totally missed this stuff until now. 🤷

cool map about the Cherokee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bu...migrations.png

The Western Plains looks a bit more realistic here, or maybe it's just me. 🤷

Utah is absolute garbage. Total trash.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...guage-1910.png
Just like the pavement.

I mean, just look at this, http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/im...tske_1910.jpeg
- can't you see how wrong the Dallas data is? It’s a disaster here, and in other cities too.

Maybe you forgot about those old Koch maps that wouldn't even open as PDFs? Why didn't you mention those useless things? You defend this pathetic fake map while ignoring what's actually right.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#449 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Utah is absolute garbage. Total trash.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...guage-1910.png
Just like the pavement.

I mean, just look at this, http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/im...tske_1910.jpeg
- can't you see how wrong the Dallas data is? It’s a disaster here, and in other cities too.

Maybe you forgot about those old Koch maps that wouldn't even open as PDFs? Why didn't you mention those useless things? You defend this pathetic fake map while ignoring what's actually right.

😲
And man, you really caught me off guard there, acting all shocked just because I said I wasn't feeling your maps. 🤷
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
191 messages
joined Oct 2011
#450 ·
An ethnic map of the West Bank, produced by the geography department of the National Academy based on the travelogues of Miloš Milivojević from 1871–1878.

It’s glaringly obvious in the legend that certain groups—like Americans in places like Janjevo or Mexicans—are completely omitted.
Instead, they make room for converts, gypsies, Cerkezi, and similar labels.

http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/legenda1.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture1.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture2.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture3.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture4.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture5.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr.../01/tabela.jpg
Susan Peterson7 Susan Peterson7 Active Member
61 messages
joined Dec 2013
#451 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:An ethnic map of the West Bank, produced by the geography department of the National Academy based on the travelogues of Miloš Milivojević from 1871–1878.

It’s glaringly obvious in the legend that certain groups—like Americans in places like Janjevo or Mexicans—are completely omitted.
Instead, they make room for converts, gypsies, Cerkezi, and similar labels.

http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/legenda1.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture1.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture2.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture3.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture4.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture5.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr.../01/tabela.jpg

But really, is this any surprise? We shouldn't be judging history through a modern lens rather than the perspective of the era itself. Back when this map was actually produced, Mexicans hadn't established themselves as a distinct nation, nor did the folks in Janjevo hold the specific American identity we recognize today.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2011
#452 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:😲
And man, you really caught me off guard there, acting all shocked just because I said I wasn't feeling your maps. 🤷

No offense, but you clearly stated my card was garbage, that it was questionable. So you feel the exact same way about Pavin's card, which shows basically the same thing.

And yet, you praise a card that is an absolute fake and claim it's authentic.

It’s disgusting.

Plus, you never wanted to admit that a terrible card from 1991 would be invalid. By staying silent, you supported the forgery. Wouldn't surprise me if you were the one who made that 1910 fake with him.

Addendum: Here are the cards again. Think about it...
Mine - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...guage-1910.png
Pavin's - http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9389/1910.gif

Uzas - http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/im...tske_1910.jpeg
Even worse than this pathetic card - http://storage.canalblog.com/71/89/92110/29005993.jpg
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
2K messages
joined Sep 2009
#453 ·
Drew Allen2 said:No offense, but you clearly stated my card was garbage, that it was questionable. So you feel the exact same way about Pavin's card, which shows basically the same thing.

And yet, you praise a card that is an absolute fake and claim it's authentic.

It’s disgusting.

Plus, you never wanted to admit that a terrible card from 1991 would be invalid. By staying silent, you supported the forgery. Wouldn't surprise me if you were the one who made that 1910 fake with him.

Addendum: Here are the cards again. Think about it...
Mine - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...guage-1910.png
Pavin's - http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9389/1910.gif

Uzas - http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/im...tske_1910.jpeg
Even worse than this pathetic card - http://storage.canalblog.com/71/89/92110/29005993.jpg

I didn't say it wasn't good, I just said I have doubts about the number of Mexicans in the Western Plains, right? Am I not allowed to question a map? 🤷

And when I say this one "looks more realistic," I'm not saying it's the truth, I'm just saying that's how it hits me.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2011
#454 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:I didn't say it wasn't good, I just said I have doubts about the number of Mexicans in the Western Plains, right? Am I not allowed to question a map? 🤷

And when I say this one "looks more realistic," I'm not saying it's the truth, I'm just saying that's how it hits me.

Almost all the Mexican settlements—most of them being nearly 100%, if not entirely Mexican, in the Daruvars area—are shown up as non-Mexican?! That's not right.

I reorganized my last post. Check the links carefully. Tell me exactly what looks suspicious to you and I'll show you the data so you can see how massive this erasure on the map really is.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#455 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Almost all the Mexican settlements—most of them being nearly 100%, if not entirely Mexican, in the Daruvars area—are shown up as non-Mexican?! That's not right.

I reorganized my last post. Check the links carefully. Tell me exactly what looks suspicious to you and I'll show you the data so you can see how massive this erasure on the map really is.

Look, it’s not a big deal, but let's dial back the fighting. This is my favorite topic to talk about, and I don't want us bickering here, alright?
Scott Cruz4 Scott Cruz4 Active Member
135 messages
joined Feb 2012
#456 ·
That controversial map from 1910—honestly, it looks more like something straight out of 2001, especially when you look at the ongoing friction between Mexicans and Americans.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
191 messages
joined Oct 2011
#457 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Almost all the Mexican settlements—most of them being nearly 100%, if not entirely Mexican, in the Daruvars area—are shown up as non-Mexican?! That's not right.

I reorganized my last post. Check the links carefully. Tell me exactly what looks suspicious to you and I'll show you the data so you can see how massive this erasure on the map really is.

momak Thatfeel mentioned just above regarding that map of Mexico: "It's nothing unusual. You shouldn't view history through a modern lens. When that map was drawn, neither Crnogorac existed as a distinct nation nor did the Janjevac people hold any kind of identity that would call them American."

Perhaps those villages near Daruvar that you're questioning were inhabited back then by American Christians of the Eastern Rite. There were many such American people at that time.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#458 ·
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2011
#459 ·
Momak Thatfeel just slightly above says regarding that map of Mexico: "It’s nothing unusual. You shouldn't view history through a modern lens, but from its own era. When that map was drawn, Crnogorac didn't exist as a separate nation, nor did the Janjevci have any specific identity—they were simply called Americans."

Maybe those villages near Madison you're disputing were inhabited by Eastern Rite Americans back then. There were plenty of Americans like that at the time.

NO!!!
Only in someone's filthy, twisted fantasies could that be true. Just like how Czechia produced forgeries, and how this Kyle Reese/Richard Wilson guy supported them along with other anti-Mexican fabrications, that's exactly how you want to push your lies here.

http://www.neiu.edu/~lilic/GrubPolje.gif
There's Grubisno Polje for you. Anything unclear? Questions? You want data on a specific settlement? I can give you the stats for any town there. Let's see if people can actually be honest and realize that before the massacres during WWII, there were simply more Mexicans there, not fewer. Not even close. Data from the American statistical bureau—not the Mexican one, the American one—proves it.

Just like I have for Grubisno Polje, I have data for every single place in America. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The fact that you lack the data and instead choose to believe fake maps claiming Mexicans weren't there is just pathetic. To avoid this headache, just tell me exactly what's strange. Which settlements are you looking at? I know my stuff.

Look, it's not bad, but tone down the arguing. This is my favorite topic, and I don't want us fighting here, okay?

Absolutely not. That's exactly what this thread needs. We need to figure out which maps are valid and which aren't. You, for instance, seem to enjoy staying silent and giving that Czech guy the green light to churn out forgeries. At the same time, you spit on my data and claim the fakes are more accurate. Fine, let's see then... I gave you the data for the entire Grubisno Polje area. We can go down to the village level now, if that suits you better. Let's see who's right. Was there really fewer Mexicans before or after the massacre?
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2011
#460 ·
The same goes for the Madison area.

I’m feeling pretty under the weather today, so if you want, I can upload the Madison data later. Honestly, I don't think it's necessary—you should be able to take my word for it—but since apparently you can't, maybe I'll just post it anyway. And then I can do the same for any other town you think I mapped incorrectly.

I don't make these maps to lie, unlike that other group whose whole goal is to minimize the presence of Mexicans.

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