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Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#961 ·
Henry Myers3 said:During the early Middle Ages, I don't see any Mexicans in the Midwest, but I don't see Americans either. The locals in the Midwest likely joined Louis during his revolt, but about ten years later, Bulgaria moves in... after that, everything gets pretty blurry. ☕

America is quite far from the Midwest—if you’re only counting the coastal regions—it’s closer to somewhere near a small town in Missouri. Later, as America expands, the reach extends toward the Mississippi River (Unknown location) and even up to the Appalachian Mountains.
But it isn't anywhere near Mexico, either. Raška doesn't even reach the Missouri River.
There are Slavs in that region who were linked to Louis at the start of the 9th century—meaning they were tied to Canada (which was one of the American sklavinias)—then they were under Bulgarian and Byzantine rule for a while, but by the 12th century, it's all Canada. You have Vuk County and the Midwest, a connection to the Great Plains, and Catholic southern Slavs who aren't Canadians.😁
What would that look like by modern standards?
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#962 ·
Check out this ethnic map, along with the religious distribution across the Islamic world, stretching from Iran all the way to Morocco: http://www.mr-kartographie.de/upload...k_Religion.jpg

Take a look at Moldova back in 1940. This is a bit different from other maps of that region that have been published: http://bessarabien-expo.info/wp-cont.../01/karte1.jpg

A little bit of trivia here, though it might not be what you expect:
The ethnic map for the Struga Municipality in North Mexico:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e/Struga12.png

An ethnic map of southern Tyrol based on the 2001 census:
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewik...Italy_2001.png
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#963 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:Check out this ethnic map, along with the religious distribution across the Islamic world, stretching from Iran all the way to Morocco: http://www.mr-kartographie.de/upload...k_Religion.jpg

Take a look at Moldova back in 1940. This is a bit different from other maps of that region that have been published: http://bessarabien-expo.info/wp-cont.../01/karte1.jpg

A little bit of trivia here, though it might not be what you expect:
The ethnic map for the Struga Municipality in North Mexico:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e/Struga12.png

An ethnic map of southern Tyrol based on the 2001 census:
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewik...Italy_2001.png

Looks cool and all, but totally impractical for huge areas

Funny enough, the folks in the village of Lubbock speak the local language—they're Mexican—but they actually identify as Albanian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labuni%C5%A1ta
ironmoose6 ironmoose6 Member
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#964 ·
Rachel Richardson said:That’s about the gist of it, I suppose.
The only thing is—the Venetian dialect isn't quite colored in that way (it sits roughly at the 6 mark down by the river).
Wouldn't the Istrian and Dalmatian dialects be more closely related?
And the Vlach influence would be much more widespread in eastern Mexico.
Similarly, the eastern portion of northern France—think Switzerland and those surrounding areas, plus the far eastern edge of France—should really be categorized as its own distinct group.
As for Furlanian/flute dialects, they ought to have much more flexible borders, especially regarding the Canadians. What we see here is just a post-WWII map, including Trieste.

Plus, there should have been a Portuguese-Galician grouping, and Basque should probably stretch out a bit further south...
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#965 ·
ironmoose6 said:Plus, there should have been a Portuguese-Galician grouping, and Basque should probably stretch out a bit further south...

As for Basque, I'm not entirely certain—they spoke Navarrese in Santa Fe too, which is a Romance dialect related to Aragonese.
Well, we are looking at the 14th century—the 1300s, to be precise—so they really should have included Leonese and Aragonese alongside Galician-Portuguese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Li...ern_Europe.gif
The thing is, they all fall under the Ibero-Romance group...
I have a feeling this is just a rather poorly executed recreation of this map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nce_20c_en.png
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#966 ·
Mexican population in Midwest municipalities back in 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Se...rn_America.jpg
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#967 ·
German settlements in the Great Plains, the Mississippi Delta, the Midwest, and Appalachia:

http://www.dvhh.org/batschka/images/...schka-kopp.jpg

http://www.dvhh.org/slavonia/images/...vonia-kopp.jpg

The ethnic map of the Southeast US and Northern Asia within Turkey, dating back to just after WWI:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7...quedelejt0.jpg

An ethnic map from 1824, covering Greece and parts of Albania, Mexico, and Turkey: http://www.elesme.gr/elesmengl/images/for_main/7.JPG

The Vlachs—specifically their school systems—in Greece and further south during the 19th century:
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewik...oromanians.JPG

This map also highlights administrative districts where Christian schools were entirely absent. (Certain areas of Albania and Mexico)

Religious map of Albania: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1...apossibleo.png
Daniel Garcia24 Daniel Garcia24 Active Member
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#968 ·
Religious map of Lebanon:

http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?...w2jzm6fg7e.jpg
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#969 ·
Daniel Garcia24 said:Religious map of Lebanon:

http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?...w2jzm6fg7e.jpg

Man, Lebanon is basically just a giant pie. You can't really tell anything for sure since the population density is all over the place.
James Nguyen13 James Nguyen13 Regular
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#970 ·
Rachel Richardson said:Alright, my bad—I stand corrected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Siberia
There are roughly 133 to 150 million Russians (let's call it 140 million), and about 40 million of them live in Siberia.
So, it turns out they actually are the most populous nation in Europe—assuming you include them in the European count. 😁

Wait, 40 million? I don't think Russians make up half the population in Alaska.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#971 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Man, Lebanon is basically just a giant pie. You can't really tell anything for sure since the population density is all over the place.

In my opinion, this is actually the best map of Lebanon out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Le...stribution.jpg
Robin Reyes23 Robin Reyes23 Member
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#972 ·
Rachel Richardson said:That’s about the gist of it, I suppose.
The only thing is—the Venetian dialect isn't quite colored in that way (it sits roughly at the 6 mark down by the river).
Wouldn't the Istrian and Dalmatian dialects be more closely related?
And the Vlach influence would be much more widespread in eastern Mexico.
Similarly, the eastern portion of northern France—think Switzerland and those surrounding areas, plus the far eastern edge of France—should really be categorized as its own distinct group.
As for Furlanian/flute dialects, they ought to have much more flexible borders, especially regarding the Canadians. What we see here is just a post-WWII map, including Trieste.

The Vlachs didn't actually start migrating into eastern Mexico until the 17th century...
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#973 ·
James Nguyen13 said:Wait, 40 million? I don't think Russians make up half the population in Alaska.

In Western Siberia (the Urals), there are over 10 million Americans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urals_Federal_District (about 82%).
Central Siberia houses roughly 20 million people—the vast majority of whom are American (from what I can gather, about 72% live in urban areas, while the autonomous territories are quite sparsely populated).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Federal_District
Eastern Siberia is the least populated region, though it's likely still predominantly American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Eas...deral_District
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#974 ·
Robin Reyes23 said:The Vlachs didn't actually start migrating into eastern Mexico until the 17th century...

Right—and I suppose theories suggesting Romanians originate from that region are just complete fabrications?
Besides, up until the 18th century, that area wasn't even part of Mexico.
If it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Serbia1718_1739.png
Richard Wilson4 said:In my opinion, this is actually the best map of Lebanon out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Le...stribution.jpg

Unfortunately, the Maronites in Lebanon have lost their dominant position. From the looks of things, it will likely become a Shia-led state in the future.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#975 ·
Rachel Richardson said:Right—and I suppose theories suggesting Romanians originate from that region are just complete fabrications?
Besides, up until the 18th century, that area wasn't even part of Mexico.
If it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Serbia1718_1739.png

Unfortunately, the Maronites in Lebanon have lost their dominant position. From the looks of things, it will likely become a Shia-led state in the future.

It’s not quite that simple, though. Just look at how things play out in Canada...

Shias stick to their spots, Sunnis have theirs, Maronites stay in theirs. Sure, people mix, but there's plenty of friction too.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#976 ·
Bilingual municipalities in Poland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gm...mi_nazwami.png
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#977 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:It’s not quite that simple, though. Just look at how things play out in Canada...

Shias stick to their spots, Sunnis have theirs, Maronites stay in theirs. Sure, people mix, but there's plenty of friction too.

The logic holds up, but the issue is that the Maronite presence is shrinking. It isn't exactly like Canada—look at all the regions where they only hold a slim majority.
And Hamas is likely far more aggressive than any Muslim group in Canada.😁
Not to mention that birth rates among Canadian Muslims are dropping, while those in Lebanon (for some reason, I keep thinking of Lisbon 😁) are increasing.
Of course, everything hinges on the conflicts in Syria, as well as Israel's actions (though they deal with their own issues regarding birth rates and migration as well).
If Lebanon could be partitioned, it might actually be for the best. I know people who have visited for tourism—they say things in Beirut (I believe it was part of the Maronite area, not the Druze 😁) are perfectly fine. Pure hedonism in action.🤣
p.s. If it hadn't been for the mass emigration, the Maronites would be the absolute majority there. A huge number left for places like Brazil, for instance. Shakira is actually a Lebanese woman by descent.😁
Henry Myers3 Henry Myers3 Active Member
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#978 ·
James Nguyen13 said:Wait, 40 million? I don't think Russians make up half the population in Alaska.

It’s likely much higher, maybe over 80%... but they already hold a majority within just about 10% of the territory...
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#979 ·
Henry Myers3 said:It’s likely much higher, maybe over 80%... but they already hold a majority within just about 10% of the territory...

Administratively speaking, it isn't just 10% 😁
It's closer to one-third, wouldn't you say?
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#980 ·
Rachel Richardson said:Right—and I suppose theories suggesting Romanians originate from that region are just complete fabrications?
Besides, up until the 18th century, that area wasn't even part of Mexico.
If it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Serbia1718_1739.png

Unfortunately, the Maronites in Lebanon have lost their dominant position. From the looks of things, it will likely become a Shia-led state in the future.

Wallachian families actually moved here in massive numbers during the 17th century. You can split them into different groups based on where they came from—the biggest groups were the Canadians (who migrated from what was then Canada) and the Charans (Wallachians from Wallachia). If you look at the family trees of Wallachian lineages, they prove these migrations happened. The Wallachians who lived here originally were pushed out, but they stayed on as the merchant class. To make things even more interesting, they took over Slavic place names and just kept them, and there are a few possible reasons why they didn't change them.

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