Lisa Cox4 said:That isn't a list according to Slavinski, it's just the Esentio list. 😉
Is Ivanov his student too? Honestly, I don't think that matters for this conversation.
Actually, it matters because you're painting a totally distorted picture here.
All that matters is whether someone actually has experience—you know, if they actually finished one of these courses.
Courses are just there to introduce you to a specific technique, right? So finishing a course doesn't mean squat if the person doesn't keep training and actually working with the technique. Plus, if you want to be a decent processor, you have to put in the hours through long-term practical work with clients.
I've already "finished" most of the courses on your list, and I've been working intensely with a DP2, DP3, and DP4 processor since 2003. Even though I was "trained" for processing ages ago, I only actually started doing it myself this year. Peat is an incredibly powerful technique, and I truly believe it deserves its reputation as a New Age technology; it's just such a shame that the technique gets cheapened by being lumped in with spoon bending. 🤣
Fair enough, though I’d say you can practically smell Slavinski’s influence all over this—it’s textbook. My only hang-up is that I can't quite pin down who on this list was actually trained *directly* by Slavinski himself, versus just being one of his students. And then there's the whole messy lineage of it—students of students, passing things down from one to the next like some sort of academic relay race. It gets a bit muddy when you try to trace the exact line of succession.😁
The problem here—and this is what really gets me worked up—is that you’re painting a completely distorted picture. It’s fundamentally flawed, and by doing so, you're just creating a total misconception of the reality we're actually dealing with.
Every teacher is really their own unique entity—you can't just lump them all together. I mean, Ivanov is almost certainly a student of Slavinski, at least when it comes to certain specific techniques. But honestly? I highly doubt Slavinski ever touched Reiki with him. It’s much more likely that Ivanov picked up his craft from a whole variety of different mentors over the years. Back in the day, I actually crossed paths with that whole "situation" involving Rade Sibila. He was supposed to be a TMa instructor, but the guy was essentially doing everything under the sun—just jumping from one thing to another. It was a massive disappointment to the mainstream crowd over at TMu, who really expected more consistency.
Look, let’s be clear about what these courses actually are—they aren't some kind of finish line. They’re just an introduction to a specific technique. Honestly, finishing a course means absolutely nothing if you don't commit to the long haul and actually keep working with the method afterward. It’s like signing up for a weekend intensive at a culinary institute in Chicago; you haven't "learned to cook" just because you held the knife for forty-eight hours. You have to stay in the kitchen. The same goes for anyone wanting to become a truly skilled practitioner. You can't just absorb a few modules and call yourself an expert. To become a high-level processor, you need sustained, hands-on experience—years of actual, practical work with clients. There are no shortcuts to that kind of intuition. If you aren't out there doing the work, you aren't really learning.
The whole point of this technique ought to be giving someone the actual knowledge and practical roadmap to apply it to themselves—properly, mind you. Whether they decide to turn around and start teaching others is entirely up to their own interests. It’s a personal choice, really. I remember my cousin—he’s a big Reiki practitioner—and his late wife; they both learned Reiki strictly for their own sake. Now, his wife actually reached the level of Master, but she never once took on a single student. Not one. She just practiced it for herself and her immediate inner circle, without ever bringing anyone else into the fold. To her, it wasn't a business or a mission; it was just something private.
I’ve already knocked out most of the courses on your list—though, to be honest, I’m still grinding through the more advanced levels using a mental processor that feels like it’s straight out of 2003. It’s been incredibly intense lately. Even though I consider myself "trained" to handle this kind of processing for quite some time now, it wasn't until this year that I actually started doing the heavy lifting myself. Peat is such a powerhouse technique—it really earns its reputation as genuine New Age technology. My only real grievance, and this gets me a bit worked up, is seeing how the technique is being cheapened. It’s honestly a shame to see something so profound being lumped in with those superficial, "bend-the-spoon" style gimmicks. It just doesn't belong in the same conversation. 🤣
Finally. Someone actually showed up to this thread who knows what they're talking about. Honestly, it’s about time. Regarding that whole "bending spoons" business—I don't think it's such a bad thing, really. If anything, seeing something like that would be exactly what we need to shake up the skeptics—those folks who think dialectical materialism is the only truth left in the universe. It’s written right here:
TIn the second half of this seminar, we’re diving straight into what I like to call "Columbus Egg" experiments. Now, most people—myself included, at one point—tend to believe the common sense notion that it’s physically impossible to balance an egg vertically on its end. It just doesn't happen, right? Well, that's exactly what we're here to challenge. By the time we're through, you’ll find yourself in such a unique relationship with these eggs that you'll be able to stand them upright on all sorts of ridiculous surfaces—smooth tabletop finishes, chair seats, even the floor... hell, maybe even on the surface of a tilted mirror if we get ambitious enough!! I’ve seen it firsthand at these seminars; people are genuinely floored by what they can achieve simply through focused, concentrated thought. It’s a bit jarring, honestly, to realize how much our mental state dictates physical reality. That is precisely why this experience shifts your entire worldview and changes how you interact with everything around you. And frankly, in my opinion, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what kind of practical, useful ways we might eventually apply these newfound abilities? It opens up a whole different set of questions.
Out of everything mentioned here, I’d say I have a slightly deeper familiarity with Intenziv gnoza. But honestly? It’s all just sheep nonsense if you haven't actually sat through the technique in person at a seminar. You can read all the books you want, but without the hands-on practice, it's just empty noise.
