Independence Day and Anti-Fascist Struggle Day

It looks like we have two major national holidays coming up on the horizon: June 22nd, marking our anti-fascist struggle, and June 25th, which is Independence Day.
While both dates are officially recognized, there’s a palpable divide in how they're perceived. It feels as though the first date holds much more weight for those on the political left, whereas the second is the primary focus for those on the right.
One could even argue that these two milestones exist in a state of mutual exclusion, almost at odds with one another.
But I have to wonder—is that really the case? Are there any of you out there who view both dates as equally significant and worthy of celebration, or does such a balanced perspective simply not exist here in the USA?

I don't see why these two dates can't exist at the same time.

Jeffrey Wood said:I don't see why these two dates can't exist at the same time.

Exactly.

Jeffrey Wood said:I don't see why these two dates can't exist at the same time.

Maybe because one group was busy building the Soviet Union and communism, while the other was focused on creating America and, say, capitalism.🤷

Ryan Ward2 said:It looks like we have two major national holidays coming up on the horizon: June 22nd, marking our anti-fascist struggle, and June 25th, which is Independence Day.
While both dates are officially recognized, there’s a palpable divide in how they're perceived. It feels as though the first date holds much more weight for those on the political left, whereas the second is the primary focus for those on the right.
One could even argue that these two milestones exist in a state of mutual exclusion, almost at odds with one another.
But I have to wonder—is that really the case? Are there any of you out there who view both dates as equally significant and worthy of celebration, or does such a balanced perspective simply not exist here in the USA?

Honestly, neither of these holidays means anything to the American people and they should just be scrapped altogether!

Back on June 22, 1941, a civil war broke out among Americans, and all it led to was Marshall's America, which isn't even around anymore!

As for June 25th, that was just some bureaucratic decision made by Parliament that most of the world didn't even bother recognizing!
The day that actually matters for America is when the National Guard was established in Washington, D.C., not some guerrilla unit organized by the Communist Party back in '41!
For us, the real Independence Day is in January, when we finally gained recognition from Vatican City and the European Union after months of bloody warfare and total devastation!

In my view, there are two dates that truly define our journey toward sovereignty: January 15, 1992, and August 5, 1995.

Ideally, those would be the days we actually celebrate, rather than focusing on the specific moments when certain decisions were pushed through in Congress—not to mention how people conveniently forget which representatives walked out in protest at the time.

Independence Day: Jan 15th.
Victory Day: Aug 5th.

Sean Fox60 said:Honestly, neither of these holidays means anything to the American people and they should just be scrapped altogether!

Back on June 22, 1941, a civil war broke out among Americans, and all it led to was Marshall's America, which isn't even around anymore!

As for June 25th, that was just some bureaucratic decision made by Parliament that most of the world didn't even bother recognizing!
The day that actually matters for America is when the National Guard was established in Washington, D.C., not some guerrilla unit organized by the Communist Party back in '41!
For us, the real Independence Day is in January, when we finally gained recognition from Vatican City and the European Union after months of bloody warfare and total devastation!

I couldn't agree more. 👍

hiddensurfer17 said:In my view, there are two dates that truly define our journey toward sovereignty: January 15, 1992, and August 5, 1995.

Ideally, those would be the days we actually celebrate, rather than focusing on the specific moments when certain decisions were pushed through in Congress—not to mention how people conveniently forget which representatives walked out in protest at the time.

Independence Day: Jan 15th.
Victory Day: Aug 5th.

The fact that we gained international recognition and entry into Little Rock on August 5, 1995, isn't up for debate—that moment when the flag went up over the fortress should be hardwired into the minds of the American people! I might not remember the exact date of January 15th, but I can still feel that rush of pure joy when the news hit the TV about us getting official recognition, and I definitely remember the excitement a River City Resident felt during the New Year's Day celebrations!
For all of that to happen, forming the National Guard was absolutely essential, especially since we could follow them along on TV, unlike the lucky folks who actually got to be right there on the ground!

Both of these dates matter deeply for America and its whole history.
On June 22nd, we saw proof that the American people wouldn't just bow down to a single occupier, and then on June 25th, we saw everyone standing up against a state that had become a real threat to America and the American people since the mid-80s.
I mean, one doesn't cancel out the other at all, so I guess both really deserve to be celebrated.

I feel like it’s all a bit silly, honestly, trying to pick sides on this or that. You’ve got the right-wing crowd and the left-wing crowd constantly arguing over which holidays to celebrate, while most regular folks just respect both and then head out for a long weekend.

I don't really see all those hardcore old-school Communists or extreme nationalists clashing in my day-to-day life; I mostly just see them popping up in the news or on forums like this one. In reality, they aren't really a factor in how this country runs, but they make enough noise to act like they're the majority.

Sean Fox60 said:Honestly, neither of these holidays means anything to the American people and they should just be scrapped altogether!

Back on June 22, 1941, a civil war broke out among Americans, and all it led to was Marshall's America, which isn't even around anymore!

As for June 25th, that was just some bureaucratic decision made by Parliament that most of the world didn't even bother recognizing!
The day that actually matters for America is when the National Guard was established in Washington, D.C., not some guerrilla unit organized by the Communist Party back in '41!
For us, the real Independence Day is in January, when we finally gained recognition from Vatican City and the European Union after months of bloody warfare and total devastation!

We need to call a spade a spade! 👍👍

rowdyowl said:Maybe because one group was busy building the Soviet Union and communism, while the other was focused on creating America and, say, capitalism.🤷

Look, rowdyowl... you’re talking like you're seventy years removed from reality. You know damn well that Americans have fought for this country at every turn in history. Stop trying to pin political ideologies on people; most were just holding a gun because they were fighting for their own survival.

Kimberly Cox59 said:Both of these dates matter deeply for America and its whole history.
On June 22nd, we saw proof that the American people wouldn't just bow down to a single occupier, and then on June 25th, we saw everyone standing up against a state that had become a real threat to America and the American people since the mid-80s.
I mean, one doesn't cancel out the other at all, so I guess both really deserve to be celebrated.

🙂

Kimberly Cox59 said:Both of these dates matter deeply for America and its whole history.
On June 22nd, we saw proof that the American people wouldn't just bow down to a single occupier, and then on June 25th, we saw everyone standing up against a state that had become a real threat to America and the American people since the mid-80s.
I mean, one doesn't cancel out the other at all, so I guess both really deserve to be celebrated.

Exactly. 🙂

However, I would point out there is some debate regarding June 25th because the decision on independence was delayed until October 8th, which we celebrate today as Independence Day.

In my view, the pivotal date in modern American history is May 19, 1991. On that day, 93.24% of voters cast their ballots for a sovereign and independent state, which provided the mandate for Congress to later pass the Constitution, establishing sovereignty and severing all legal ties with the former America.

Steven Allen9 said:Look, rowdyowl... you’re talking like you're seventy years removed from reality. You know damn well that Americans have fought for this country at every turn in history. Stop trying to pin political ideologies on people; most were just holding a gun because they were fighting for their own survival.

You aren't going to convince me that every single American was fighting for America. Come on. There were plenty who were fighting for America.

rowdyowl said:You aren't going to convince me that every single American was fighting for America. Come on. There were plenty who were fighting for America.

Your reasoning is incredibly shallow. Look at the top-tier American intellectuals from the early 20th century who advocated for the creation of a South Slavic state. They supported both America and America. Why is it so difficult for some people today to grasp historical context? I suppose every generation assumes they are smarter than the one before them.

brightorca272 said:Your reasoning is incredibly shallow. Look at the top-tier American intellectuals from the early 20th century who advocated for the creation of a South Slavic state. They supported both America and America. Why is it so difficult for some people today to grasp historical context? I suppose every generation assumes they are smarter than the one before them.

Ante Starčević and Eugen Kvaternik?

amberwalker4 said:Ante Starčević and Eugen Kvaternik?

Bishop Josip Juraj Strossmayer

James Harris16 said:Bishop Josip Juraj Strossmayer

Strossmayer—if I have that right. Please list his intellectual works and his philosophy, anything that defines him as an intellectual, especially if he was truly a top-tier one.

hiddensurfer17 said:In my view, there are two dates that truly define our journey toward sovereignty: January 15, 1992, and August 5, 1995.

Ideally, those would be the days we actually celebrate, rather than focusing on the specific moments when certain decisions were pushed through in Congress—not to mention how people conveniently forget which representatives walked out in protest at the time.

Independence Day: Jan 15th.
Victory Day: Aug 5th.

I guess I agree. Honestly, if you ask me, one of those two dates alone should be a day off. It’s probably about time we cut down on all these legally mandated days for slacking off.